Re: [MlMt] Gmail tag syncing

2024-02-03 Thread Devyn Osborne
That's interesting! It makes sense. Thanks!

On Sat, Feb 3, 2024 at 7:31 AM Bill Cole <
mmlist-20120...@billmail.scconsult.com> wrote:

> On 2024-02-02 at 22:46:57 UTC-0500 (Fri, 02 Feb 2024 19:46:57 -0800)
>  devynosbo...@gmail.com 
> is rumored to have said:
>
> > Hm, I take that back. At some point today, the tag removal was properly
> synced. It just didn’t do it right away, even after a manual sync. Maybe it
> waited for some sort of mailbox refresh?
>
> Webmail+IMAP systems like GMail's are likely to have transient
> synchronization issues because the web and IMAP interfaces each have to
> work with their own versions of the mailstore in conflicting ways that are
> reconciled behind the scenes literally when you're not looking: changes in
> one mailfolder from one client other than adding or purging messages are
> likely to not be visible in another client while it has that folder open,
> and some changes (like purging messages marked as deleted) may only be done
> 'for real' when a client switches to a different folder.
>
> And at the scale of GMail, they may well also have simple replication
> delays because different clients are attaching to different actual machines
> which might be on opposite sides of the planet (in principle) and nothing
> is actually instantaneous (except maybe neutrino type transitions...) so
> the mailstore is eventually consistent in all views.
>
>
> > On 2 Feb 2024, at 12:10, devynosbo...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> Does MM sync tags/labels with Gmail after the first download? That
> doesn’t seem to be happening for me, though I could be missing something
> easy!
> >>
> >> For example, today I received an email which Gmail erroneously
> tagged/labelled as Important. MM downloaded it. I then went to Gmail in
> Safari and untagged the message (I used Safari out of habit, though I guess
> I could do this within MM). However, after sync, MM still shows the email
> with the Important tag.
> >>
> >> I have the Important tag properly set up / synced within MM, per the
> instructions, though again, could be missing something.
> >>
> >> Should I use MM to untag? Would that help? I occasionally need to use
> Gmail to do so, for example, on my phone (though I also just started
> testing Preside on iOS).
> >>
> >> Thanks for any help!
> >>
> >> Devyn
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Re: [MlMt] Gmail tag syncing

2024-02-03 Thread Bill Cole
On 2024-02-02 at 22:46:57 UTC-0500 (Fri, 02 Feb 2024 19:46:57 -0800)
 devynosbo...@gmail.com 
is rumored to have said:

> Hm, I take that back. At some point today, the tag removal was properly 
> synced. It just didn’t do it right away, even after a manual sync. Maybe it 
> waited for some sort of mailbox refresh?

Webmail+IMAP systems like GMail's are likely to have transient synchronization 
issues because the web and IMAP interfaces each have to work with their own 
versions of the mailstore in conflicting ways that are reconciled behind the 
scenes literally when you're not looking: changes in one mailfolder from one 
client other than adding or purging messages are likely to not be visible in 
another client while it has that folder open, and some changes (like purging 
messages marked as deleted) may only be done 'for real' when a client switches 
to a different folder.

And at the scale of GMail, they may well also have simple replication delays 
because different clients are attaching to different actual machines which 
might be on opposite sides of the planet (in principle) and nothing is actually 
instantaneous (except maybe neutrino type transitions...) so the mailstore is 
eventually consistent in all views.


> On 2 Feb 2024, at 12:10, devynosbo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Does MM sync tags/labels with Gmail after the first download? That doesn’t 
>> seem to be happening for me, though I could be missing something easy!
>>
>> For example, today I received an email which Gmail erroneously 
>> tagged/labelled as Important. MM downloaded it. I then went to Gmail in 
>> Safari and untagged the message (I used Safari out of habit, though I guess 
>> I could do this within MM). However, after sync, MM still shows the email 
>> with the Important tag.
>>
>> I have the Important tag properly set up / synced within MM, per the 
>> instructions, though again, could be missing something.
>>
>> Should I use MM to untag? Would that help? I occasionally need to use Gmail 
>> to do so, for example, on my phone (though I also just started testing 
>> Preside on iOS).
>>
>> Thanks for any help!
>>
>> Devyn
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