Re: [MlMt] Check for Test Build

[Fredrik Jonsson]

MM_Arc via mailmate 2024-03-06 19:12 wrote:

> #2 and #4 display the same results
> 6016 is the latest version available. You have version 6024.

I'm on 6016 and I can replicate the issue, for me #2 and #4 show different 
results.

My guess is that this small bug has been fixed in 6023 or 6024.

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Re: [MlMt] local folders

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Pierre Igot 2023-05-31 3:24 wrote:

> The instructions apply to Dovecot 2.3.19, whereas Homebrew installed Dovecot 
> 2.3.20, so I had to adapt the command to copy config files.

I just updated the post so it says "2.3.20".

> *2*
> The instructions say:
>
> File: /usr/local/etc/dovecot/local.conf
> File: /opt/homebrew/etc/dovecot/local.conf
>
> without indicating what these two different lines mean.

It is mentioned higher up in the post that the placement of Homebrew install 
differ depending on if you have an older Intel Mac or a newer Apple Silicon Mac.

> Also, the instructions say "By default dovecot logs will show up in 
> /var/log/mail.log”, but I checked, even after stopping Dovecot in Terminal, 
> and there is no such log there on my system.

This has changed since I originally wrote the post in 2014  without me noticing 
it. Removed it now, thanks.

> So Mac users like me need more than this page of instructions, I am afraid.

If you are not comfortable with the Unix side I would not recommend using this 
solution.

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Re: [MlMt] Open Links in Background?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Michael Nietzold 2023-01-27 17:07 wrote:

> Is there a way to open links in background? MailMate should stay activated

Command + Click on links opens them in the background.

Or you can right click, hold down command and click "Open link".

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Re: [MlMt] Pasting text results in image - how to fix?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Scott 2023-01-22 0:42 wrote:

> For a while now (over a year, possibly more), I've found that when I paste 
> text into a compose window on MailMate, instead of just getting the text, it 
> is turned into a Pasted Image (PNG, I think).

I have experienced this as well. Anything that is not pure plain text will 
result in an attached image.

A workaround is to use the command "Paste as Plain Text" in the Edit menu. Hold 
down Shift + Option to see it.

Keyboard shortcut: Shift + Option + Command + V

You can remap this to plain Command + V with Apples Keyboard system settings.

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Re: [MlMt] Improving search performance?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Ben Lee-Cohen 2022-05-03 15:27 wrote:

> I’ve got ~600k messages across two accounts, and performing a “simple” search 
> (e.g. using search bar, typing “mailmate”, hitting enter) takes about ~10-20 
> seconds to get results. Is there anything I can do to improve that initial 
> time to results short of deleting a bunch of old email?

I have 100k+ messages, so a lot less that you. When I search it takes less than 
a second on my iMac (Core i5, 40 GB RAM, SSD).

Do you always have to search all 900k+ messages? Maybe a subset, like the 
latest year or something, can do most of the time? That would speed things up.

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Re: [MlMt] migrating from apple mail to mail mate - prospective user

[Fredrik Jonsson]

mailmate--- via mailmate 2022-02-07 1:33 wrote:

> The secure way would be to run a real IMAP server on your machine, to which 
> MailMate can connect locally. I haven’t tried myself, but running 
> [Dovecot](https://www.dovecot.org/) in a container should work.

I have done this for many years. If you are comfortable with running your own 
services it works really well.

Here is an old, but updated, post on how to set it up on macOS. I'm running 
this setup on macOS Monterey 12.2 at the moment.



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Re: [MlMt] Displaying the midnight hour

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Antonio Leding 2022-01-03 5:52 wrote:

> I have discovered that Mailmate displays times between top-of-midnight & 1am 
> using the 24:xx format so, with the above in mind, I wanted to ask if this is 
> intentional or a bug?

I do not see this in MailMate (5853) on my computer. Times after midnight är 
shown as e.g. 00:11.

This is with Swedish region settings and 24 hour clock.

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Re: [MlMt] Remove from inbox but accessible

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Ron B 2021-10-27 0:25 wrote:

> So how does the Archive work? I can’t find anything about it other than 
> passing mentions in the Mailmate documentation. Apparently it’s just another 
> IMAP mailbox?

Yes, it is just another IMAP mailbox, many clients and servers makes use of it.

> So how do I organize stuff within the Archive? Do I set up Smartfolders to 
> look at the Archive and just divvy it up?

That is how I do it. Dump everything into "Archive" and then use smart folders 
to group things. Much more flexibel and convinient then moving mail in to real 
folders in my opinion.

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Re: [MlMt] Remove from inbox but accessible

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Ron B 2021-10-26 7:14 wrote:

> I'd like to be able to access those emails whenever I want. I'm more likely 
> to need the ones that are six months and newer. Currently, all of these 
> emails are in my inbox. It would be convenient to have some way to remove 
> them from the inbox, maybe as soon as I tag them.
>
>  How do people normally handle this situation?

I suggest moving everything to "Archive".

You can set up both rules and custom keybindings to e.g. move en e-mail to 
archive and tag it.

When I open MailMate I start with pressing "i".

"i" = ( "goToMailbox:", "INBOX", "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline", 
"selectFirstMessageRow:" );

I then use these four options to sort through all the mail.

"r" = "replyAll:";
"f" = "toggleFlag:";
"a" = "archive:";
"d" = "deleteMessage:";

After this my inbox is empty.

See 
https://xdeb.org/post/2014/05/16/mailmate-replaces-gyazmail-after-four-years/ 
for more on my workflow and custom keybindings.

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Re: [MlMt] How can I create a Smart Mailbox with all emails I have sent?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

leo 2021-10-15 3:20 wrote:

> Hi all, I would like to create a Smart Mailbox containing all emails I have 
> sent.

I use condition "Received" "does not exist".

All incoming e-mail that you get have a received header.

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Re: [MlMt] Mail archive tools - best searching

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Antonio Leding 2021-08-03 22:38 wrote:

> **The issue???** Simply put, MailMate is unstable - well, it is for me at 
> least. Despite running various MailMate versions across different Macs & OS 
> versions, MailMate still crashes at least 3-5 times per week.

Then something is different with our setups. I cannot remember the last time 
MailMate crashed.

Used MailMate since 2014 and have mostly used the latest test releases (hold 
down "alt" when checking for new version). Over the years there has been 
releases with some crashes, usually quickly fixed.

I'm now running the latest test release (5820) on an 2019 iMac  with macOS 
11.5.1.

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Re: [MlMt] Key bindings

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Jean-Pierre Gattuso 2021-06-15 7:25 wrote:

> “It is also possible to create new key bindings files in the following folder 
> location:
> ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/KeyBindings/“
>
> Yet, there is no “Resources” folder in my system (MacOS 11.4, MM Version 1.14 
> (5798).

If the folders do not exist you need to create them yourself.

It is nothing magical about these, just make sure to name them exactly as the 
documentation say.

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Re: [MlMt] How to focus on the Message List via keyboard?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

leo 2021-06-14 6:19 wrote:

> In the _Three Panes_ layout how can I focus on the Message List _via 
> keyboard_?

Via custom key bindings:

// Set focus.
"v" = ( "makeFirstResponder:", "mailboxesOutline" );
"b" = ( "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline" );

Custom keybindings and smart folders are the key features of MailMate for me. 
And the fact that it just works.

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Re: [MlMt] Highlight color?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Dave C 2021-05-22 7:23 wrote:

> The color that MM highlights the current message in a Mailbox, the Smart 
> Mailbox in the left margin, the “To: field” when writing a new message, is 
> blue. This doesn’t follow the macOS system highlight color.

Are you using the latest test releases? Only they are fully updated for Big Sur 
I believe.

I'm on Version 1.14 (5806) and the highlight colours follow the system settings 
just as they should.

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Re: [MlMt] Mark as Not junk

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Annamarie Pluhar 2021-04-20 13:04 wrote:

I receive an email every day that contains 1-3 photos. I have the 
email going to a smart folder already. Is there a way to “mark as 
not junk” the email so that the pictures show and I don’t have to 
hit the “mark as not junk” button? I’m imaging this is an apple 
script - which is not something I’ve learned..


Add a rule to the smart mailbox in question that set tag "Not Junk".

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Re: [MlMt] setting up on new computer

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Jo 2021-02-19 18:45 wrote:

I'm getting a new laptop - what's the best way to transfer MM? Just 
let Time Machine restore from the backup of the old computer? will I 
have to reinstall or redo my filters?


Yes, this will make your new computer just like your old one, including 
everything MailMate related. (Assuming the Time Machine backup is up to 
date.)


My suggestion is to use Apples migration assistant. It works really 
well. You get a question about it when you start up the new Mac.


Migration assistant can read from a Time Machine backup but directly 
from the old computer is usually faster.


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Re: [MlMt] Removing email from Blacklist

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Martin S Taylor 2021-02-10 10:46 wrote:

I would have expected a Blacklisted address to be deleted, or junked, 
or refused or something. Does Mailmate not do that?


No, MailMate has no spam/junk filtering built in.

It does have solid integration with the truly excellent SpamSive.

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Re: [MlMt] Local email archiving status/options?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Christian Bailey via mailmate 2021-01-25 3:31 wrote:

1) Which is better for importing via MM - eml or mbox? Like Bill, I 
also just purchased Emailchemy to covert the pst files. It offers both 
mbox and eml as options. I presume mbox is better if I want to import 
everything?


MailMate does support both. The box format only creates a file per 
folder so for a complete export/import it most likely the better choice.


2) I might end up with duplicates. Or does MM automatically no import 
duplicates? Any recommendations on de-duplication?


You have the "Edit -> Select Duplicates" command but I have never made 
use of it.


3) When I connected my Office 365 account, there were hundred of error 
messages as MM tried to download the Contacts, Calendar, Notes, and 
Tasks folders. I presume these should be unsubscribed?


Yes, MailMate only does IMAP.


4) Just want to confirm: does MM get its address book from MacOS?


Yes.


5) Is there a way to open a message in a
separate window?


Select a message and go to "File -> Open Message".

As other has mention hitting "return" also work.

I have mapped it to "O" in my custom keybindings.

Custom keybindings and smart folders are the killer feature of MailMate 
in my opinion.


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Re: [MlMt] Smart Mailbox for "Any Attachments"

[Fredrik Jonsson]

TJ Luoma 2020-12-11 8:17 wrote:

Mailmate must have some way of telling "An Email With An Attachment" 
vs "An Email Without An Attachment" because it can show an attachment 
icon.


MailMate adds a number of virtual headers, on of them are 
"Attachments-Count". I have not used it but I guess you can use "exist" 
or "not 0".


It is not in the condition list by default, you find it under "Other…" 
at the bottom of the list.


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Re: [MlMt] Saving selected emails + attachments for legal proof ?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Max Rydahl Andersen 2020-06-14 9:41 wrote:

I'm in a need to save and preferably print ~500 messages including 
attachments for evidence in a legal case.


Anyone know if there is a hidden option somewhere or maybe have a 
script that can make that happen ?


You can simply select all the messages you want to print and the use the 
print command. That will print all the selected messages.


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Re: [MlMt] Problem getting custom shortcuts to work, I'm missing something

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Jan Erik Moström 2020-04-29 9:26 wrote:

> {
>   "m" = {
>   "a" = ("toggleTag:", "Aktuellt" );
>   "k" = ("toggleTag:", "Kanske");
>   }
> }

I believe it should be a semicolon extra like this.

{
"m" = {
"a" = ("toggleTag:", "Aktuellt" );
"k" = ("toggleTag:", "Kanske");
};
}

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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Jo 2020-01-28 9:32 wrote:

I can set up rules, but i can’t seem to create a mailbox/folder. Not 
a new smart mailbox, but just a folder. Where do I do that at?


MailMate is a pure IMAP client, it does not have anything like "On my 
Mac" folders.


Look in the "Sources" section, in the bottom of the left sidebar. There 
you can create new IMAP folders in your IMAP accounts with the "New IMAP 
Mailbox" command.


But my suggestion is to skip "real" folders and take maximum advantage 
of MailMate and its smart folders.


With MailMate I use smart folders extensively and just archive all mails 
in one “Archive” mailbox instead.


I have set up my own key bindings so “i” will select the inbox, 
“a” will archive mail, “d” will delete them, “f” flag them 
and “r” for making a reply. This takes care of most of my mail 
interaction.


Here you find my key bindings: 



I have smart folders for people/projects/organisations etc. Since smart 
folders are just searches the same e-mail can show up in multiple 
places. No more worrying  if a particular e-mail should go to the 
personal folder or project x folder.


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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Andreas Borutta 2019-11-12 12:15 wrote:


smart mailboxes: I do not know of any other mail app which can handled

smart mailboxes as well as mail mate.



Until now I'm not sure, if I ever need that feature. Usually I was 
just fine with the search function, when I had to look into mails of 
the past. But may I will like it, when I try to finde usefull cases 
for me.


I used to have a lot of rules that moved in mails to a lot of different 
folders. After moving to MailMate and discovering how smart the smart 
folders are I now use a different approach.


1. All mail comes in to the standard "Inbox".
2. There I look at them and press "a" for archive or "d" for delete etc.
3. The "Inbox" is then empty and all mail I want to keep is in 
"Archive".


I then have a lot of smart folders for customers, persons, projects, 
mailing lists etc. They completely replace all the folders I used to 
have.


For me this is a lot better :

* One mail can show up in any number of smart folders.
* Reorganising things does not involve moving any mail, just changing 
some smart folders.

* I can add and remove smart folders without any risk of losing mail.

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Re: [MlMt] MailMate slowness?!

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Angelo Machils via mailmate 2019-10-12 8:20 wrote:

I just got a secondhand MB Air (2015) and of course installed 
MailMate. I have had a (very) similar machine before, but I can’t 
really remember if MailMate was so slow on that as well.


For me MailMate is not super fast but I do not see the kind of slowness 
reported in this thread.


I have a MacBook Pro from 2012, upgraded with an SSD and more RAM.  
MailMate handles almost 9 e-mails for me.


macOS 10.14.6, MailMate 1.13 (5655).

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Re: [MlMt] Recreating my mailmate configuration on a new machine

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Ralf Weber 2019-06-29 23:33 wrote:

I recently got a new computer and after a couple of years not having 
to configure MailMate I struggle with getting MailMate into the same 
shape as I have on my old computer. So here are some problems that I 
currently have and would appreciate help on.


A tips are to search the mailing list archive, this question comes up 
now and then. The link to the archive is at the bottom of each list 
message.


To get the same setup on a new computer you can copy over the following 
(make sure to quit MailMate first):


~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/
~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist

When I move someone to a new computer I always use Apples migration 
assistance. It works really well.


For more information:



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Re: [MlMt] 'Send' via keyboard?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Jason Davies 2019-01-09 14:03 wrote:

I don't see a 'Send' (and honour the default delay) option as a 
keystroke/menu. Can someone help me with this?;)


I have "Send" at the top of the "Message" menu, shortcut Cmd-Shift-D. It 
becomes "Send Now" if I hold down the Control key, shortcut 
Ctl+Cmd-Shift-D.


Shortcut Cmd+E is for "Use Selection for Find" as it is in most Mac 
apps.


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Re: [MlMt] newbie

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Brad & Michele Worthington 2018-02-20 3:15 wrote:

The messages don’t arrive with any specific subject lines or from 
address so setting up smart boxes doesn’t seem feasible. I want to 
read them, deal with them and move them to say 2018 a, or March b 
folder for example.


I would suggest:

* Set up tags for each project.
* Set up a smart folder for each project/tag.
* Set up custom keybindings for each project/tag that tag the mail and 
archive it.


This way everything arrives in to your inbox. You read the mail and then 
press the key(s) you mapped for that project/tag.


This will tag the mail and archive it, removing it from the inbox. When 
you are done the inbox is empty and all the mail can be viewed it the 
correct project (smart) folder.


If you don't have to many projects you could bind the actions to a 
single key of your choice, like this:


"a" = ( "setTag:", "Aproject", "archive:" );
"b" = ( "setTag:", "Bproject", "archive:" );
"c" = ( "setTag:", "Cproject", "archive:" );
"d" = ( "setTag:", "Dproject", "archive:" );
"e" = ( "setTag:", "Eproject", "archive:" );

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Re: [MlMt] Does MailMate mirror everything back to the server?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Ron Britton 2018-02-20 4:42 wrote:


If I were to use MailMate, where would my emails reside?


On the server with a local cache in MailMate on your computer.

The local cache will stay in sync with the server. If you delete mail on 
the server MailMate will delete it locally as well.



What if I want to keep the server empty?


Then IMAP and MailMate is not for you.

But I would reconsider that if I was you. Providers like Runbox (Norway) 
and Fastmail (Australia) have gotten good grades here on this list.


* 
* 

If I was not running my own server I would most likely go with Runbox 
since I'm in Sweden.


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Re: [MlMt] Preserving tags

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Angelo Machils 2018-02-13 8:37 wrote:

Just remember that dovecot is only part of the equation, you also need 
to configure stuff like postfix (or exim), spamassassin etc.


If you want to store mail locally on your own computer then only Dovecot 
is needed.


If you want to run a proper mail server then you are correct.

I recently posted my Ansible role for a mail server and wrote a bit 
about it.




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Re: [MlMt] Preserving tags

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Rick Holzgrafe 2018-02-13 0:46 wrote:

We are still among those who, in spite of Benny’s advice, would like 
to keep a local (and properly tagged) mail archive, so I’m still 
interested in finding a way to do that. But it’s good to know that 
we have at least one solution likely to work for us; thanks for that!


I have been running a local Dovecot for that purpose for years, works 
really well.




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Re: [MlMt] Junk and keybindings

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Randall Gellens 2018-01-31 19:24 wrote:

Does marking a message as junk or moving a message to the junk folder 
have any other effects without an anti-spam plug-in of some kind?


Would guess not but I do highly recommend SpamSieve. It just works.

Can a keybinding perform two actions (e.g., binding ^j to 
“markAsJunk:moveToJunk:”?


Yes, I have these set up myself:

  "j" = ( "markAsJunk:", "moveToJunk:" );
  "J" = ( "markAsNotJunk:", "archive:" );

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Re: [MlMt] Rules

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Randall Gellens 2018-01-21 21:44 wrote:

Are you saying that you have criteria in the Conditions section to 
select messages and then in the Rules section there are no criteria, 
just actions


Yes, exactly.

But I use only a handful of rules in total with MailMate. The smart 
mailboxes has replaced almost all rules I used in other mail clients.


I have the "Sources" section collapsed and rarely have any reason to 
look there.


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Re: [MlMt] Search

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Randall Gellens 2018-01-20 2:32 wrote:

Is there a way to do a more complex search than typing something into 
the search control on the upper right?  A search using multiple 
criteria, like a smart mailbox, but just once?


Select the "All Messages" mailbox

Edit -> Find -> Mailbox Search

(you can also select/change mailbox after entering Mailbox Search, very 
convenient)


I have a keybinding set up to the "s" key for this. It's the way I 
always search.


  "s" = ( "goToMailbox:", "ALL_MESSAGES", "mailboxSearch:" );

You can select the condition options you want and then select

Edit -> Find -> Use as Default Search

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Re: [MlMt] Advice for new user

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Robert Goldman 2017-10-23 3:52 wrote:

I have always kept my correspondence about projects in different 
folders. These folders include both the messages I have received on 
the topic and also the messages I have sent.


Before MailMate I to used rules to sort mails in to folders for 
projects/customers etc.


With MailMate I just archive everything and use the smart folders 
instead.


If the project mails do not have anything to use as conditions for the 
smart folders you may need to tag mail with a project tag.


My most common condition are:

Any Address > Domain is example.com

That will grab any mail to and from that customer.

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Re: [MlMt] back to Inbox

[Fredrik Jonsson]

John Cooper 2017-10-16 16:46 wrote:


"i" = ( "goToMailbox:", "INBOX" );


I use that with one thing added:

"i" = ( "goToMailbox:", "INBOX", "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline" );

This makes the column that list the mail active so you can e.g. navigate 
it with the keyboard.


This is another variant:

  "i" = ( "goToMailbox:", "INBOX", "makeFirstResponder:", 
"mainOutline", "nextUnreadMessage:" );


that also will select the next unread message.

The Custom Keybindings is a big reason why I enjoy MailMate so mush.

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Re: [MlMt] back to Inbox

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John Cooper 2017-10-16 16:46 wrote:


"i" = ( "goToMailbox:", "INBOX" );


I use that with one thing added:

"i" = ( "goToMailbox:", "INBOX", "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline" );

This makes the column that list the mail active so you can e.g. navigate 
it with the keyboard.


One could also expand it to this:

  "i" = ( "goToMailbox:", "INBOX", "makeFirstResponder:", 
"mainOutline", "nextUnreadMessage:" );


to automatically select the next unread message.

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Re: [MlMt] Cool shortcut

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Annamarie 2017-10-14 13:00 wrote:


I wonder what other shortcuts I could be using.


The "Add Link" command is in the Edit meny where it shows that the 
shortcut is Command+K, see screenshot.


Take a look through the menus to find more shortcuts. This is a good 
tips for any application.


If you like shortcuts you really should explore MailMates "Custom Key 
Bindings". You find a section about it in the MailMate Help. Together 
with the very smart folders they are in my opinion MailMates killer 
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Re: [MlMt] My keybindings

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Seth Hall 2017-09-08 18:40 wrote:

"i" = ( "goToMailbox:", "INBOX", "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline" 
);



Wait, what is makeFirstResponder?  I don't really understand it from 
the description in the help text.


It to select what view should respond to keyboard input.

Pressing "i" in this case will go to the inbox *and* make the 
"mainOutline" (the list of all the mails) active. This make it e.g. 
possible to directly navigate the inbox with the arrow keys.


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Re: [MlMt] My keybindings

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Seth Hall 2017-09-08 15:53 wrote:

I just posted my keybindings file on github.  I would love to hear if 
people have any thoughts or extensions on my keybindings.  this has 
been great, I'm finally able to fully handle my email from a keyboard 
again!


Custom keybindings is for sure one of the best features of MailMate.

Here are mine: 



The following five I use the most.

"i" = ( "goToMailbox:", "INBOX", "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline" );
"a" = "archive:";
"d" = "deleteMessage:";
"r" = "replyAll:";
"s" = ( "goToMailbox:", "ALL_MESSAGES", "mailboxSearch:" );

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Re: [MlMt] the magic sig

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Tracy Valleau 2017-09-02 18:18 wrote:

If I decide I don't want it, and delete it, and type some text in the 
body, and THEN select a recipient, the sig automagically appears 
_above_ my text again the instant I hit enter for the recipient.


Set "None" for signature in the "Signature" popup instead and it will 
work.


MailMate also remembers your selection per recipient, really convenient.

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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Fredrik Jonsson]

David Morrison 2017-05-16 14:34 wrote:

It requires two factor authentication to be turned on to generate the 
app specific password. Can you turn two factor authentication off 
after the password has been generated?


Even if you can you really shouldn't. TFA is a huge security improvement 
for your iCloud account.


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Re: [MlMt] Downloading utility?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

John Muccigrosso 2017-01-18 3:40 wrote:


How did you install Dovecot?


The easiest, and for most people best, option is to get an e-mail 
provider that has enough space for all you mail.


But if you really want, a local Dovecot server works really well with 
MailMate.


Running dovecot as a local only IMAP server on OS X | xdeb.org
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Re: [MlMt] Apply Rules on Inbox

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Bram Heerink 2017-01-15 20:54 wrote:

I want to move all mail with an List-Id **and** is older than 7 days 
to a specific folder. I read somewhere that the Rules will be checked 
if mail gets delivered to the inbox. So, this results in no e-mails 
moved. But apply rules does nothing to. How is this supposed to work?


You can add rules to the Inbox and use rules condition but I find it a 
lot easier to use rules on smart folders.


I first create a smart folder with the criteria I need, in this case to 
catch all mailing-lists.


Condition: list-id -> identifier exist
Submailboxes: list-id -> identifier, name format: 
${list-id.identifier.final-level:/capitalize}


When I have confirmed that the right e-mails are matched I apply the 
needed rules action(s) to the smart folder.


Rules action: Move to mailbox "example"

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Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate

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Verdon Vaillancourt 2017-01-11 1:41 wrote:

That’s funny… mine is configured the other way around… has been 
so long I don’t know if I did that, or if it used to be default.


It's a setting, see MailMate -> Preferences -> Viewer -> Double click

Eudora was excellent for it's time but MailMate is definitely the best 
mail client I have used.


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Re: [MlMt] Why do MM list messages end up in the junk folder?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Dave C 2017-01-04 22:17 wrote:

By what mechanism is junk status determined and how to modify this so 
as to leave MM messages alone?


I am not using SpamSieve. Maybe sometime, but I’m still trialing…


As far as I know MailMate has no mechanism for handling junk mail 
besides the SpamSieve integration. My guess is that you have some server 
side rules that put messages in Junk.


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Re: [MlMt] How to *move* messages out of Inbox (or emulate such a behavior)?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Dave C 2016-12-28 9:43 wrote:

I’ve got the hang of smart folders and the ones I’ve created now 
contain messages from mail lists (I’m subscribed to several).


My suggestion is to add a rule to that smart mailbox that moves all 
mailing list e-mails to a "Mailinglist" folder. Then they will not show 
in INBOX anymore.


I do this for the logs and notices I get from various services and 
servers I run.


Everything else I file away in "Archive" after I have 
read/replied/flagged/deleted them, leaving the INBOX empty most of the 
time.


My goal is to have an Inbox that has none of these mail list messages 
and only contains the remainder of the day’s mail, mostly personal 
mail and junk.


Are you using SpamSieve ? If not I 
highly recommend it and MailMate has built in integration with it.


I rarely see any spam in my INBOX thanks to SpamSieve.

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Re: [MlMt] Labels/colors, global rules, and in-line reply/f=f

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Randall Gellens 2016-12-17 4:53 wrote:

I'm preparing to finally move off Mac Eudora 6.2.4 to MailMate, and 
have a few questions:


I highly recommend you check out MailMate smart folders, they are really 
smart and powerful. They have replaced all the old filter rules that I 
used in Eudora and other mail clients to sort e-mails in to folders. In 
MailMate all mail arrives in Inbox and when I deal with them I simply 
Archive them all.


With smart folders I then have set up folders for mailing lists, 
projects, customers etc.


What I like about smart folders is that one e-mail can be "sorted" in to 
any number of mailboxes and I can change/add to the sorting at any time 
without actually moving any e-mail. Would have a hard time going back to 
sorting e-mails in to real folders now.


I have written about this here:

MailMate replaces GyazMail after four years 
MailMate - The email client for the rest of us 



(3) When replying, is there good support for in-line replying (where 
you alternate between quoted content and your reply)


I always reply inline and it works well in MailMate.

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Re: [MlMt] Missing inbox contents

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Steven M. Bellovin 2016-06-29 20:42 wrote:

It sounds like it was doing a search on that sender.  In that case, 
you just have to click the '-' in the upper right (see the attached 
image) to end the search and show the rest of the mail.


The "esc" key will also dismiss a search.

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Re: [MlMt] will MailMate be a good mail mate for me?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Robert Brenstein 2016-06-10 9:24 wrote:


I suspect that there are a number of ex-Eudora users here.


I'm sure there are a number of them, I myself used Eudora for 15 years.

Eudora was good for its time, MailMate is truly excellent. Killer 
features for me are smart folders and custom keybindings.



So, will MailMate be a good mail client for me?


If you are willing to take advantage of IMAP, smart folders etc. and 
spend time to find out all the cool stuff Mail Mate can do it should 
work beautifully for you.


If you want to exactly mimic your current way of handling e-mail I don't 
think you will find anything that works well.



IMAP offers no true benefit for me


You really should switch to IMAP regardless of if you pick MailMate. 
Even if you don't need to access mail on multiple devices (yet) IMAP 
have other advantages.


* All your mail are in at least two places, IMAP-server and mail client.
* Makes it easy to switch mail client, no need to migrate mails.

You will need to get an e-mail provider with enough space for all your 
mail if you don't have one already.


All incoming messages are sorted out by filters into close to 300 
mailboxes. What is left in the inbox is some junk that sneaked thru 
spam filters and a few misc messages.


I used to sort mails in many real folders with many rules. With MailMate 
I just dump everything in Archive after handling it (manually or via 
rules). I then use MailMates smart folders (really smart) to organise 
them to my liking. Smart folders are really saved searches but they feel 
just like folders.


The big advantage with smart folders for me are that mail can be in 
multiple folders at the same time. It's also quick and easy to 
reorganise since you just change some searches and there are no need to 
actually move mail around.


It seems that MailMate does not support local mailboxes, that is 
having mail copied off the server to my computer.


All mail will be on the IMAP-server *and* a copy will be in MailMate (or 
most other IMAP clients you use).


When you search etc. MailMate can do all that locally and it's really 
fast even with huge mail volumes.


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Re: [MlMt] new user help

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Howard Wettstein 2016-04-21 19:59 wrote:

Can you say a little bit to get me started on smart folders? How to 
use the 4 tabs:


Only the first two tabs are needed, the other two are optional.

Mailboxes: In what mailbox(s) do you want to search. In most cases it 
will be "All messages"


Conditions: This is the search(es) you want to do. I have e.g. a few 
that search for Any Address > Domain is "example.com". This will create 
a smart folder that shows all mails to and from the domain 
"example.com".


You also have a pretty good manual at  
with a lot more info.


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Re: [MlMt] new user help

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Howard Wettstein 2016-04-21 15:33 wrote:

The yellow box: Blocked 1 external reference. I’m sure it’s a 
security thing but I’m not sure what or how. What’s that about? Is 
there a way to turn it off.


Yes it's a security thing, go to "Preferences… -> Security" and there 
you have the image blocking settings.


Apple Mail and Postbox (I’ve used them) support rules, so that one 
can move inbox messages to pre-assigned folders. I don’t see how to 
do that, except with smart folders that I’ll mention in a minute.


In MailMate you set them per mailbox. Right click e.g. the "Inbox" and 
select "Edit mailbox". Last tab is "Rules".


Rules are only run on mail as they are added to a mailbox. In other mail 
clients I used a lot of rules, in MailMate I almost only use the smart 
folders instead.


Smart folders seem very useful, but I don’t know what I’m doing. I 
have a pretty elaborate folder structure that was imported from a 
university gmail account that I was using through Apple Mail.


Smart folders are saved searches and they are really smart and really 
fast. I file away everything in "Archive" and use smart folders to bring 
order.


I prefer them from normal folders since I can have mail shop up in 
multiple smart folders. A mail can e.g. shop up in a company smart 
folder and a project smart folder at the same time.


With smart folders it' also easy to make changes without needing to move 
any messages.


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Re: [MlMt] Questions from prospective new user

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Andrew Buc 2016-03-25 3:52 wrote:

At this point, I would think that I could start using MailMate. Does 
this sound reasonable, and am I overlooking anything? Thank you.


Make sure your e-mail account have enough space to store all your mail. 
With IMAP all the mail is stored on the mail server and your e-mail 
client (MailMate in this case) have a copy that is stored locally on 
your computer.


Apple Mail can also do IMAP. My suggestion would be to add the IMAP 
account to Apple Mail and deactivate (do not delete!) the POP account. 
Then you can transfer/copy all the mail in to the IMAP account with drag 
and drop in Apple Mail.


With all your mail now on the server in an IMAP account you may use any 
number of IMAP clients to access it. All of them will see the same 
mails. You can set up the IMAP-account on your phone, other computers 
etc., they will all see the same mail.


You may keep your folder structure in the IMAP account but if you are 
going to use MailMate my tips is to just dump all the mail in the 
"Archive" folder.


One of MailMates best features is its "Smart folders" and they are 
really smart. Apple Mail and the Finder has smart folders as well, but 
they are not as powerful. You can see Smart folders as saved searches.


I use them exclusively to organise  my mail. I set up smart folders that 
displays mail from/to specific senders, domains, mailing lists, projects 
etc.


With real folders you must decide where to store a mail. With smart 
folders in can be displayed in multiple places, e.g both in a personal 
smart folder and in a project smart folder.


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Re: [MlMt] Rule Condition to Limit to a Source Mailbox

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Gary Hull 2016-02-19 12:52 wrote:

there are two cases that I'd like to automate with a rule to mark them 
as seen:


1. Stuff that I've glanced at for a fraction of a second and then 
clicked the Archive button. The time viewed is not sufficient to mark 
them as Seen


2. Junk mail marked as junk by one of the mail providers I use, but 
which SpamSieve hasn't marked as junk.


I have a rule attached to the "Junk" folder that sets the tag "Seen" on 
all mail that comes in to Junk. You can do this on the "Archive" folder 
as well of course.


I never use the condition part of rules, I only attache them to (smart) 
folders.


With the excellent smart folders in MailMate I have found much less need 
for rules but have a handful of them for special cases.


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Re: [MlMt] Help for a command : )

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Ale Muñoz 2016-02-11 22:42 wrote:

I'd like to build a command for MailMate, have been taking a look at 
what's there, but haven't been able to crack this so far. Any pointers 
will be much appreciated.


For these kinds of tasks I have used Keyboard Maestro for many years.

http://www.keyboardmaestro.com/

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Re: [MlMt] Filters

[Fredrik Jonsson]

PhilDobbin 2016-01-29 20:08 wrote:

One thing however I found odd is the inability to filter messages from 
the Inbox to selected folders.


Others have talked how rules works in MailMate.

I used to have a lot of rules in clients I had before MailMate. With 
MailMate that have changed.


Since the smart folders are really smart and flexible I now just archive 
all my mails in "Archive". I then use smart folders to group messages I 
want quick access to.


With smart folders a messages can "appear" in any number of "folders", a 
person folder, a company folder and a project folder. This was always a 
problem when I used rules to move messages to real folders.


I have set up my own key bindings so “i” will select the inbox, 
“a” will archive mail, “d” will delete them, “f” flag them 
and “r” for making a reply. This takes care of most of my mail 
interaction and leave my inbox empty and nice.


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Re: [MlMt] "Junk State = Junk" & "Move to Junk" with one keystroke?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Vlad Ghitulescu 2016-01-18 15:21 wrote:

> It didn't work for me.

I'm on version 1.9.3 (5187). Whats your version?

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Re: [MlMt] Coding special keys in the key bindings file

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Vlad Ghitulescu 2016-01-18 15:35 wrote:


How do you code the special keys in the key binding file?


You have a table with all special keys in the manual 
.


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Re: [MlMt] "Junk State = Junk" & "Move to Junk" with one keystroke?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Vlad Ghitulescu 2016-01-18 15:25 wrote:


Here is my key binding - file:


Pasted in this in my KeyBindings file and all the keys worked without 
problem for me.


What do you have in the Custom Key Bindings preference?

MailMate -> Preferences… -> General

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Re: [MlMt] "Junk State = Junk" & "Move to Junk" with one keystroke?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Sherman Wilcox 2016-01-18 2:05 wrote:

	"i" = ( "goToMailbox:", "INBOX", "makeFirstResponder:", 
"mainOutline");


I'm pretty sure I tested having "goToMailbox" and "makeFirstResponder" 
in the same keybinding at some point but it did not work. Thanks for 
showing me that it works now, have added it to all my goto:s!


And thanks Benny for continually polishing MailMate!

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Re: [MlMt] "Junk State = Junk" & "Move to Junk" with one keystroke?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Vlad Ghitulescu 2016-01-16 19:39 wrote:

Is there a place in MailMate to do this or is something I do in system 
preferences / Keyboard Maestro?


Custom key bindings is one of MailMates killer features in my opinion, 
everything can be done from the keyboard.


Manual here: 

I have a blog post where you find the keybinding I use at 
.


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Re: [MlMt] Minor annoyance...

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Annamarie 2015-12-16 10:14 wrote:

When I reply to an email, how do I get the cursor to be at the TOP of 
the message and not at the bottom? It used to do this and I can't find 
out how to make it happen.


Go to Preferences -> Signatures and you find the setting "Caret 
placement".


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Re: [MlMt] KeyBinding removed when upgrading

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Patrik Fältström 2015-06-05 13:58 wrote:

Yes, I have a backup which I copied in place, but, maybe an upgrade 
should keep whatever changes has been made?


All custom fields for MailMate should be placed in:

~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/…

For KeyBindings it's:

~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/KeyBindings/

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Re: [MlMt] Evaluation results

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Benny Kjær Nielsen 2015-05-19 9:53 wrote:

I am, by far, its worst critic and I have no idea why _anyone_ would 
want to use MailMate.


I know why, it solid and no nonsense software that I can rely on. Right 
up there with BBEdit that also happens to cost 50 USD.


If they would cost a 100 USD I would still think it was *very* good 
value for the money.


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Re: [MlMt] a few questions from a (former) Mailsmith user

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Michael Dunston 2015-05-17 22:25 wrote:


And as a followup
question - if key bindings are necessary to
do this, could these need to be installed
in


~/Library/Application 
Support/MailMate/Resources/KeyBindings/Mycustom.plist



I see the
BBEdit bundle will pass messages being
drafted into BBEdit, but I don’t see how
those edits come back to Mailmate


Simply hit Save in BBEdit.


Regarding replies, is there reply setting
to place the quoted text at the top (with
the insertion point after), for inline (or
bottom-posting) replies?


That how it works for me now, don't think I have made any special 
settings to make it so..



Additionally, is
there a way to edit the attribution line
text inserted into a reply?


Search the help for Hidden preferences. A lot of interesting stuff 
here.


MmReplyWroteString setting will allow you to configure the attribution 
line.



Lastly, is there a way for sent-replies to
remain in (or rather, be automatically
moved to) the same mailbox/folder as the
original message so they can be more easily
manually filed (moved to a folder)
together?


Hidden preferences MmMoveSentRepliesToMailboxOfRepliedMessage

But I suggest you stop moving mails completely. I used to have long list 
of rules moving mails around in the bad old days.


With IMAP and MailMate everything arrives in the Inbox where I process 
them. I have set up my own key bindings so “i” will select the 
inbox, “a” will archive mail, “d” will delete them, “f” flag 
them and “r” for making a reply. This takes care of most of my mail 
interaction and leve the Inbox empty.


I then use smart folders to make lists of all mail with a customer, 
projects etc. The smart folders are *really* smart and are together with 
the custom keybinding MailsMates killer feature for me.


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Re: [MlMt] could smart mailbox let me edit/type the folder ?

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Helen Holzgrafe 2015-04-09 22:51 wrote:

I actually kind of agree with Max. Until iOS mail supports smart 
folders this is the only way to cut down mail that's visible on my iOS 
device.


I have opted for the simple but very effective method of having a few 
different mail accounts.


High volume and boring stuff goes to mail accounts that I only check on 
my MacBook and that MailMate can bring order to.


Interesting stuff goes to mail accounts that I check on both my MacBook 
and my iPhone.


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Re: [MlMt] writing a blog about the wonders of mailmate - searching for input/feedback/nuggets

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Max Rydahl Andersen 2015-03-23 13:02 wrote:

I'm planning on writing up a blog about the wonders of mailmate but 
I'm afraid to miss some awesome little thing that could


* Rules per folder/smart folder.
* SpamSieve integration

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Re: [MlMt] Mail archiving best practice

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Kai Großjohann 2015-01-19 22:00 wrote:

On that token, I've installed Dovecot, I'm running that on my MacBook, 
and I copy mails there for archival purposes.


I have also opted for a local dovecot server to archive all my mail. 
That way I always have access to all my mails in one place. Mailmates 
search is quite good and very fast.


Running dovecot as a local only IMAP server on OS X 
https://xdeb.org/node/1607


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Re: [MlMt] MailMate 1.8 released -- last week

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Benny Kjær Nielsen 2014-10-24 17:13 wrote:


## Hire a Graphics Designer

[...]
mentioned on the contribution page (app icon, toolbar icons, and 
mailbox icons)


Thank you for the 1.8 release Benny, it's very stable for me!

Improved  graphics is one of the least important things for me. I don't 
mind the default OS X look for folders and the text buttons at all and 
are they not easier to maintains between OS X releases?


My biggest interest is that MailMate is profitable enough for you so 
that you are able to maintain it  and polish it for decades to come. A 
bit like what BareBones does for BBEdit.


Best regards,
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Re: [MlMt] Configuring MailMate for showing messages not covered by any rule (or automatically move mails)

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Rasmus Møller Selsmark 2014-09-23 23:05 wrote:

However, I would also like to show my regular Inbox of mails not 
addressed to any of the filtered mailing lists


You can set up a new smart mailbox and tell it to include e.g all mail 
from All Messages except mail that are in on or more other (smart) 
mailboxes. Something like this.


Mailboxes :
All:
None:
Lists
(any other mailboxes you want to exclude)
All:
All Messages

Fredrik
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Re: [MlMt] Quick Look for PDF

[Fredrik Jonsson]

John Cooper 2014-08-12 12:37 wrote:

I reported this in February, and at that time Benny said there were 
only 2 users who reported the problem.


I have the same issue with quick look and PDF. It has never worked for 
me in MailMate, I only get the big icon, no real preview.


I think I never reported it as it is a minor issue for me personally.

Fredrik

My system: MailMate/4214 MacBookPro9,2/x86_64/4/10.9.4
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Re: [MlMt] Mailmate for POP3? Future prospects from Mailmate?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Friedrich Stockhammer (.at) 2014-07-29 14:26 wrote:


Support Mailmate POP3 too?


No, IMAP only.


Support Mailmate SSL for POP3, IMAP, SMTP?


Yes, SSL is supported for IMAP and SMTP

How could Mailmate import Mails from Mail.app or Outlook.app mail 
databases?

Would drag and drop works between to import mails?


With IMAP you normally have all your mail on the server so need to 
import anything. MailMate will sync up with your server just as any 
other IMAP client.


You can import mbox, elm and elmx mailboxes in to one of your IMAP 
accounts with MailMate.



Gives a free trial to test them?


 MailMate works in full for 30 days without a license key.


Whats the future prospects from Mailmate?


Really good I believe.


Yosemite ready?


From what other user report here on this list it seems to work pretty 
ok. By the time Yosemite ships I'm sure Benny (the MailMate developer) 
will have fixed the minor issues that exist.


Fredrik

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Re: [MlMt] Want a simple IMAP server to run locally... every proposed method is too complicated for my little brain... any help out there?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Richard I Cook MD 2014-07-13 17:35 wrote:

I have tried to get dovecot running both from the dovecot website and 
MacPorts.[Oh, easy for 
Leonardo!](http://hellopoetry.com/poem/101/a-childs-christmas-in-wales/)
Does anyone have a canned approach that works out-of-the-box (i.e. 
without extensive modifications to .conf files and all that stuff?)


Have you seen my post Running dovecot as a local only IMAP server on OS 
X http://xdeb.org/node/1607?


If you feel that is to much work or to complicated I think you need to 
look for another solution to your problem. Running mail-servers is not 
easy unfortunately.


Fredrik

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Re: [MlMt] Noises

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Richard I Cook MD 2014-07-08 16:25 wrote:

1. How do I turn off all the sounds from Mailmate? I want it to be 
completely quiet.


Preferences - Counters

Make sure Sound is set to none for all four counters.

3. Any advice on what I can do with my 20GB of offline mail messages 
stored by Apple Mail?


You can get an e-mail provider that allow you to store that mush or set 
up a local IMAP server. I do the later and it works really well but it 
is some work to set up and maintain.


Running dovecot as a local only IMAP server on OS X 
https://xdeb.org/node/1607


Fredrik

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Re: [MlMt] Archive by applying rules with default of move to Archive folder

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Dr Gregory Jefferis 2014-04-16 22:23 wrote:

I already have smart mailboxes that define most of these searches. I 
was thinking that I could add a rule to the smart mailbox that said:
* if this message is now in the archive folder then move it to its 
permanent folder.


I have set rules on a couple of my smart mailboxes that simply have an 
action that moves mail to a specific mailbox. No conditions needed since 
rules only seems to run on new messages.


I have also added rules to the Junk and Trash mailboxes with action to 
add tag \Seen.


Attaching rules to mailboxes is a very smart solution when you figure it 
out. The only problem is that it's hard to get an overview of your 
rules.


Fredrik

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Re: [MlMt] BBEdit command bundle

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Fredrik Jonsson 2014-04-11 15:10 wrote:


Note that `^C` translates to ⌃⇧C. Does that help?



I tried to set it now to ^E but it doesn't take. But having all 
editors use the same shortcut and let users disable bundles sounds 
lika a good idea.


Now I notice that is has taken, the BBEdit command short cut is ^E. 
Not sure when it happened, I did a system restart during the weekend, 
maybe that did it.


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[MlMt] BBEdit command bundle

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Hi,

I have started working on a BBEdit command bundle and have some 
questions.


The code is here: https://github.com/frjo/mailmate-bundles

1. I tried to set environment variable MM_SUBJECT in the mmCommand file 
but it don't seem to work for some reason. The Textmate bundle does this 
as well so I guessed it should work?
2. Would it be possible to add something like a fileExtension setting 
to the mmCommand file? Would be nice to set it to *.md so BBEdit knows 
I'm writing Markdown.
3. The keyEquivalent in mmCommand seems to have no effect, the shortcut 
is stuck to ^C? But the MacVim bundle has another shortcut.


Fredrik

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[MlMt] Smart folders and Contacts groups

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Hi,

Just started using MailMate and really liking it!

One of the few things I miss is some kind of integration with groups in 
Contacts (OS X Address book). I noticed two other feature request for 
this and wanted to add a +1 from me.


Settings up smart folders for customers and groups of friends would be 
made a lot easier if one can use Contacts groups.


Fredrik

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