Re: [MlMt] "X-Envelope-to" - should be more visble
Interesting in my case are 61k of 71k have this header (85%) of my mails I tried your advice with an smart mailbox to count the amount of `x-envelope-to` :) On 6 Mar 2024, at 18:22, John Doherty wrote: I don't know if this helps, or whether you have already done it, but you can create a smart mailbox that selects messages in which the "X-Envelope-To" header exists (or does or doesn't match or include certain strings, etc.). When you're creating the Conditions for the smart mailbox, you have to choose "Other..." at the bottom of the popup menu and can then select "X-Envelope-To." I just did it out of curiosity and found that I have only 28 messages among ~134,000 that include this header, 19 from one specific mailing list and nine from one specific domain. So it seems pretty uncommon, at least in my mail. On Wed 2024-03-06 02:21 AM MST -0700, wrote: I have some spam mails which uses the `X-Envelope-to:` header Some of them are don't have a `to:` header If I just search in the mail mate search box it not find this emails. I need explicit use `X-Envelope-to: myn...@mydomain.com` to find it. What can I do that the normal search also include the `X-Envelope-to:` header? I would also like to see this header as a line in the mail view. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] "X-Envelope-to" - should be more visble
Out of 71k in "All Messages" There are 61k are in a Submailbox where I have condition: `X-Envelope-To` -> `exists` = araound 85% It seems some Mailer "destruct" many recipients or mailing lists from the `to` into the "real" e-mail where it is delivered to. I just found it because I inspected a Mail where I did not see an `to` header. I don't think you can get the simple Search box to search non-standard headers. You can make it search all text and "common" headers, but this one isn't common. But it would be nice to have some settings to include some more headers to be indexed. Maybe somehow with `defaults write` Some of them are don't have a to: header Technically not wrong if at one time it had a Bcc. But the problem: with the normal search I can not find them in the mails - because the only place where it can be found a match with an eMail is in the `x-envelope-to` If you pull down the menu with header names, you will see "Other..." at the very end. I also found it when I put this in the search box: `X-Envelope-to: myn...@mydomain.com` I would also like to see this header as a line in the mail view. Not a lot of people would find that useful, given the general rarity of that specific header... If it is so rare, then nobody get hurt when it is included. When the header is not available then the line does not show up (like the missing line when there is no `to:` header) For me it would be also ok to add this setting with a `defaults write` to my mail mate setup However, what would be great is if there was a better way to select which headers are in the standard displayed set. I agree, a generic setting would be nice to define which additional headers should be shown in the message view. On 6 Mar 2024, at 17:56, Bill Cole wrote: On 2024-03-06 at 04:21:38 UTC-0500 (Wed, 06 Mar 2024 10:21:38 +0100) Michael Nietzold is rumored to have said: I have some spam mails which uses the `X-Envelope-to:` header Can you quantify that? I see none in a corpus of a half-million messages going back to the 90's. But which headers are in your mail is an issue very much dependent on who your mailbox provider is. The leading "X-" tells you that this is a header that someone thought was nice and invented on their own, and never changed to remove the X. You cannot rely on its presence or consistency unless you know who has decided to put that on some mail. Simply "Envelope-to" also exists on a tiny number of messages in the wild, and "Original-Recipient" is actually standardized (https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3798.html#section-2.3.) but is not widespread. Rather more widely implemented is the "X-Original-To" header which is implemented in multiple MTA/MDAs. My guess is that the "X-Envelope-to" would logically hold the same meaning as those, but who really knows. It only makes sense to add such a header on final delivery or when a MTA modifies a SMTP envelope recipient. Some of them are don't have a `to:` header Technically not wrong if at one time it had a Bcc. If I just search in the mail mate search box it not find this emails. I need explicit use `X-Envelope-to: myn...@mydomain.com` to find it. MailMate can search on any header, even those that only exist in one message, through the full search bar that you get to with the Search button. If you pull down the menu with header names, you will see "Other..." at the very end. Select that and you will get a full picker that allows you to select any header and optionally include them in the pull-down menu. What can I do that the normal search also include the `X-Envelope-to:` header? I don't think you can get the simple Search box to search non-standard headers. You can make it search all text and "common" headers, but this one isn't common. I would also like to see this header as a line in the mail view. Not a lot of people would find that useful, given the general rarity of that specific header... However, what would be great is if there was a better way to select which headers are in the standard displayed set. E.g. I almost always want to know what the Reply-To header is if it exists and there are mailing lists I am on which put the list address in the From header, moving the real From into some other header (often Reply-To) to allow them to add their own DKIM+DMARC authentication. I would like to see MM have a simple way to pick additional headers to show, because which ones are useful can be very site-specific and user-specific. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] "X-Envelope-to" - should be more visble
I have some spam mails which uses the `X-Envelope-to:` header Some of them are don't have a `to:` header If I just search in the mail mate search box it not find this emails. I need explicit use `X-Envelope-to: myn...@mydomain.com` to find it. What can I do that the normal search also include the `X-Envelope-to:` header? I would also like to see this header as a line in the mail view. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Sent Messages - Sub folders?
I have the same, and at the parent mailbox (folder) of the submailboxes are not enabled in the settings, but I can not also delete each one. Since the mails are in the "smart mailbox" (that's the name for the folders) only **sorted by logic** and not physically - that means **no space is wasted** with this "automatic subfolders" they are only calculated "**on the fly**" to show you the folders. I my case this not bother me and I can click on the chevron to collapse this folder and don't see it. On 8 Jan 2024, at 21:07, devynosbo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am brand-new to MailMate (and loving it!). Please excuse this beginner question. I searched the archives, but couldn’t find an answer. I have two Gmail accounts set up so far. In one, under Sent Messages, what appear to be subfolders have appeared. I don’t know how or why these were created. I don’t have the sub folders preference selected in General preferences. [ "2024-01-08 - AM-11-59-23 - screenshot.jpg" ] What are these and how can I get rid of them? A lot of the options for them (such as delete) are greyed out. Thanks for the help! Devyn ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Sort Smartfolder with Submailboxes
## Current Setup
I have this enabled:
- Submailbox by Subject -> Blob
Then the submailboxes are sort by alphabet.
## Suggestion
But I would like to sort the submailboxes by date of the newest messages
per submailbox. For example submailbox1 with the newest mail is on top,
and the next submailbox2 with is older the the one of submailbox1
So I always see in which submailbox is the newest conversation about a
topic
## Advanced Options
I don't know what other sorting are interesting - but maybe this is
possible:
```
[ASC|DESC] of [Date] of mails in submailbox:
{
[last|first] of: all {
[ASC|DESC] of [Date|DiffInDays=first(date)-last(date)]
}
}
```
So you can find the mails with the longest conversation for example... I
don't know if this makes sense
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Re: [MlMt] MailMate 1.14 "Experimental" Revision r6010 installation
You can find previous versions at the download link for the experimental releases. More importantly, have there been any setup changes? Should I back up important settings for MailMate? On 8 Dec 2023, at 16:19, Henry Seiden wrote: Hello All, Currently running what I term as an Experimental release, r6010, upgraded yesterday from r6003. Seems OK so far on my MBP2021 M1. Using MailMate as my full-time email client on 10 accounts. Migrated simply by installing the replacement app (downloaded from MailMate Archive) after quitting the old version. Benny, the developer has asked that Feedback be sent if you encounter issues. He seems to have made progress on those reported to him and has documented the issues in the latest Release Notes included in the App installation. Be sure to read them on this version and I recommend you have a downgrade plan - keeping the previous version(s), in case of issues. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate deleting wrong message
If an issue arises, can I simply revert by swapping it with the older app version? Or have there been changes in the storage or setup that make going back inadvisable? On 22 Nov 2023, at 14:07, Steve Mayer via mailmate wrote: Yep. Just unpack it and copy the resultant binary into your /Applications folder (or wherever you have it installed). Make sure you quit your current copy of MailMate before copying the new one over. Steve mayersmaye...@me.com On Nov 22, 2023, at 06:27, Michael Nietzold wrote: Is I am on Version 1.14 (5939) - is it safe just to download the .tbz and overwrite the MM app? On 21 Nov 2023, at 15:17, Eric Sharakan via mailmate wrote: Looks like Benny addressed this issue in the newly available r5999 version of MM, available at http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/. You can preview the release notes here: https://updates.mailmate-app.com/release_notes_archive/MailMate_r5999.html Seems to be working for me on my 2019 Intel MBP running Sonoma 14.1.1. Still, it goes without saying that the usual caveats apply with these early test builds. -Eric On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:10, Eric Sharakan via mailmate wrote: I think I'm seeing something similar. If there's a message selected in the header pane, and I right-click on a different message to perform some action (e.g. marking the message as junk), that action gets applied to the first selected message, NOT the one I right-clicked on. I'm running r5998, and this one issue has me considering downgrading to the last "Benny-approved" test release. -Eric On 9 Nov 2023, at 9:50, Dan Romanchik wrote: Here’s another weird problem that’s started to occur after installing 5997. My configuration includes: 2017 iMac with 3 GHz with Intel i5 quad-core processorVentura 13.6MailMate 1.14 (5997)SpamSieve 3.0.1When I move a message to junk, MailMate highlights the next message, but if I hit the Delete key, it actually deletes the previous message. Regards, Dan Romanchik | Technology Writer and Blogger www.linkedin.com/in/danromanchik www.danromanchik.com 734.930.6564 @kb6nu, @danromanchik mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate deleting wrong message
Is I am on Version 1.14 (5939) - is it safe just to download the .tbz and overwrite the MM app? On 21 Nov 2023, at 15:17, Eric Sharakan via mailmate wrote: Looks like Benny addressed this issue in the newly available r5999 version of MM, available at http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/. You can preview the release notes here: https://updates.mailmate-app.com/release_notes_archive/MailMate_r5999.html Seems to be working for me on my 2019 Intel MBP running Sonoma 14.1.1. Still, it goes without saying that the usual caveats apply with these early test builds. -Eric On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:10, Eric Sharakan via mailmate wrote: I think I'm seeing something similar. If there's a message selected in the header pane, and I right-click on a different message to perform some action (e.g. marking the message as junk), that action gets applied to the first selected message, NOT the one I right-clicked on. I'm running r5998, and this one issue has me considering downgrading to the last "Benny-approved" test release. -Eric On 9 Nov 2023, at 9:50, Dan Romanchik wrote: Here’s another weird problem that’s started to occur after installing 5997. My configuration includes: - 2017 iMac with 3 GHz with Intel i5 quad-core processor - Ventura 13.6 - MailMate 1.14 (5997) - SpamSieve 3.0.1 When I move a message to junk, MailMate highlights the next message, but if I hit the Delete key, it actually deletes the previous message. Regards, **Dan Romanchik | Technology Writer and Blogger** www.linkedin.com/in/danromanchik www.danromanchik.com 734.930.6564 @kb6nu, @danromanchik ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Message View Zoom: change permanent to 150%
Hi Henry, Thank you very much for your advice. Unfortunately, changing my screen resolution isn't an option since it leads to oversized icons that take up too much space. :( I have the default 150% zoom set on Chrome Browser for all pages. I did come across the Viewer/Fonts/Size parameter, but I didn't anticipate it affecting the message view as well. I set it to 25 and it seems to be working fine. However, I've noticed some minor layout glitches in HTML emails when using 150% compared to resizing via Font Size 25. Nonetheless, this has been a significant improvement. Thanks a lot! Best regards, Michael On 25 Oct 2023, at 19:51, Henry Seiden wrote: Michael, That’s an interesting ask for adjusting the display within the message window to a specific setting. Don’t know if that can be done. I can think of a workaround that I have used if the resolution of the display is such that the Mailmate window(s) are too small to read. You have a couple alternatives, then. These have nothing to do with the programmatic defaults. Alternatives: * Set your screen resolution appropriately to enlarge the screen AND Fonts. * Adjust the fonts alone (Menu>View>Fonts) for the sidebar pane alone or message pane or main panel accordingly which is a one and done setting. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 23 Oct 2023, at 17:12, Michael Nietzold wrote: While I see a message I can adjust the zoom with `cmd`+`-` or `cmd`+`=` to 150% But I like to have the message view always at at zoom 150% (instead of 100%). Is there a hidden preference for this? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Message View Zoom: change permanent to 150%
While I see a message I can adjust the zoom with `cmd`+`-` or `cmd`+`=` to 150% But I like to have the message view always at at zoom 150% (instead of 100%). Is there a hidden preference for this? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Exclude from Backup / Time Machine
I'm trying to determine which folders I can safely exclude from a Time Machine backup... I haven't been able to locate any official documentation on this. I've come across some messages on the mailing list, but they don't offer clear advice either. I would expect an info in this section of the MailMate Manual: https://manual.mailmate-app.com/rebuild Below are my current directories... - Are there any other important directories located elsewhere? - Is it safe to exclude both Messages.noindex/ and Messages/? - Additionally, I've heard suggestions about excluding Database.noindex/. Would this be advisable? ``` ls -ali Permissions Size UserDate ModifiedName drwx-- - muescha 2023-09-14 13:29 Autosaved Messages/ drwx-- - muescha 2023-09-14 13:37 Database.noindex/ drwx-- - muescha 2022-01-14 23:11 Managed/ lrwx-- 16 muescha 2022-01-14 23:11 Messages -> Messages.noindex/ drwx-- - muescha 2022-01-14 23:47 Messages.noindex/ .rw-r--r-- 0 muescha 2022-01-14 23:31 .database_lock .rw-r--r--@ 1,143 muescha 2019-03-06 15:38 Identities.plist .rw--- 5,652 muescha 2022-01-14 23:11 Mailboxes.old.plist .rw--- 38,832 muescha 2023-09-14 13:37 Mailboxes.plist .rw---@ 2,481 muescha 2023-09-07 00:39 Sources.plist .rw-r--r--@909 muescha 2018-12-15 17:03 Submission.plist du -shc */ 4.0KAutosaved Messages/ 959MDatabase.noindex/ 56KManaged/ 5.4GMessages.noindex/ 5.4GMessages/ 12Gtotal ``` ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] 5969?
Same after setting the columns quit MailMate so that all settings written to the config files. And also backup the config files. Von meinem iDingens gesendet...Am 14.07.2023 um 18:01 schrieb Steve Mayer via mailmate : Maybe the MailMate .plist files could be saved off (into source control??) after you’ve got it working so that recovery for these types of situations is shorter? Steve Mayer smaye...@me.com On 14 Jul 2023, at 9:39, Erik Mueller-Harder wrote: I love the “Standard Single Column” for the correspondence pane. Very nice! So I took r5970 for a spin. Thrilled by the new Standard Single Column, as I said, especially for the correspondence pane. And perhaps I’m imagining things, but it seems like navigation is a smidge faster, too. I spent a bunch of time tweaking my layout for the Correspondence view and saved the new column arrangement as default. I then went to have a cup of coffee. When I came back, r5970 had crashed (Benny, logs were automatically sent a few minutes ago). When I relaunched, I was no longer in Correspondence view; MM had reverted to Three Panes. All of my column adjustments were lost (see “Forgetful Columns”). When I re-entered Correspondence, I discovered: The Correspondence pane had also reverted its settings. Somehow, I’d hoped that the massive rewrite would’ve solved the Forgetful Columns problem, but I guess not. Honestly, I miss using MailMate as my day-to-day email client — but I can’t afford to spend ten or fifteen minutes every two or three days to retrain it to work the way I want. (Yes, it does usually take that long: MM sets itself to a set of columns that is wrong in almost every way — including the infernal “Outline Column,” which resets to “From,” which means I can’t delete the “From” column until after I’ve changed the “Outline Column” to something else. I like to use a “Correspondents” column, but that makes “From” redundant.) --- Icing on the cake: we’ve had bad flooding here in Vermont earlier this week, and the internet was very flakey. Over and over again, my wife, my child, and I all had to remember to keep telling MailMate to “Take Fastmail Online” and “Take iCloud Online” and “Take Gmail Online.” Please, can’t the default be that MailMate will just poll every minute or two and automatically bring it back online? Pretty please? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___mailmate mailing listmailmate@lists.freron.comhttps://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Mark Messages Read after [10.0] Seconds -> should save value on keystroke
# Where: - Mark Messages Read after [10.0] Seconds # What: Somehow it is not working this setting. After some test I can near it down to a problem: The value is not saved in the settings, while it acts like it is saved. # What I do: - I open settings and type the value - I not leave the field, but I close the settings window - I reopen the settings window - my new value is still visible - but the new value is not used in the viewer (it seems the settings is not working) - I close and open MailMate - and the old value show up It seems that the value is not used. It is saved when I leave the field with the cursor (for example whne I hit TAB and leave the field). It tricked me because when I reopen the settings, then the the cursor is still in the Input Field and still there is the new value visible. I think the settings window was just hidden and not closed. Otherwise it would be shown the old value - like when I restart MailMate. # Current behaviour: - Value only saved at "onLeave" event # How to fix: - Save the value to file on each keystroke. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Send Mail at a Specific Time
See here for default settings: https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences#delayed-sending And here for syntax info: https://manual.mailmate-app.com/compose#send-later On 9 May 2023, at 3:30, Malcolm Fitzgerald wrote: Wow! I'm so pleased. Also, wow!? I'm so selective in what I see. I often use that drop-down menu for BCC and haven't paid any attention to the other options. I'm using send later on this email, just for fun. thank you, Malcolm On 9 May 2023, at 13:00, Richard Rettke wrote: I use Send Later frequently. It is indeed ad hoc. I am running Version 1.13.2 (5673) of Mailmate If you look at the line ABOVE the From: address *(when composing a reply)* you will see 4 horizontal lines followed by a ∨ which are then followed by the word Signature followed by a ∨. Click on the 4 horizontal lines and the ∨ The dropdown menu will contain… From To Cc Bcc Reply-to —- **Send Later** Tags Select **Send Later** A **Send Later line** will appear under the Subject line. Enter the time and/or date time you wish to have it sent. When you enter the date/time (only need time if it’s today), it will display in RED if it doesn’t understand what you entered and normal black text if it does. Press send and the reply will be stored in Drafts until the appointed date/time and then it will be sent. Of course you need to leave Mailmate up and running for that to occur (mine is up 24/7/365). I hope that helps. -- __*Richard Rettke*__ *Laus Deo* *Non sibi sed patriae* On 8 May 2023, at 19:35, Malcolm Fitzgerald mailm...@businessdatasystems.co.nz wrote: I'd like to schedule the delivery of messages on an ad-hoc basis. I had thought that MailMate had this option but I cannot see it. This morning I was awake and working far too early. It was not the right time to send email. I know that I can leave the message in Drafts. However that means I have to attend to it again. There are many things that could prevent me sending the saved draft at the best time. And there are many other things I would rather do that go back to tasks that I have already handled. If this option isn't already in the mail mate toolkit, is it in the feature wish list? Malcolm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Migrating MM
If you have multiple IMAP accounts, setting up each account can be quite laborious. The settings for all IMAP accounts are stored in the plist files. I forgot to mention that you should first launch MM and then close it (!) to ensure that some default settings are established before copying the settings files. MM should not be running while you're copying the files. At the very least, open MailMate and allow it to synchronize all of the emails from the IMAP server. Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 07.05.2023 um 10:19 schrieb Seamus Phillips : > > I do this quite often, and do something similar. > > I first open a fresh copy of MM on the new machine and put in the IMAP > account info manually, let it download the emails. > > Then I close it down and copy across the various plist files for all the > other settings to get my custom set up. > > Hope that helps. > > -- > Seamus > >>> On 7 May 2023, at 07:51, Michael Nietzold >>> wrote: >>> >> As I remember I only transfered some plist files with the settings. (Only >> some bytes or MB) Then all messages are downloaded again from the >> IMAP.servers. >> >> Von meinem iDingens gesendet... >> >>>> Am 07.05.2023 um 01:55 schrieb davecc : >>>> >>> >>> Glenn, >>> Thank you very much for your reply. You are my only link to a possible >>> solution. I’ve tried all I know to no avail, and Benny is not reachable (I >>> hope he’s OK…). >>> >>> When I install MM 1.14 on my new Catalina volume with no migrated messages >>> or settings, it progresses with the initial setup (it immediately asks for >>> the first IMAP address). All seems normal. >>> >>> If I first copy the folder ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate (7.4 GB) >>> to the new Catalina volume, when I launch MM I see this error: >>> >>> https://imgur.com/drWkmhR >>> >>> Re-launching brings the same message. >>> >>> The Original path is identical for both Application Support/MailMate >>> folders (Sierra and Catalina volumes). >>> >>> In the Catalina Get Info box I clicked on the “Select New Original…” button >>> and navigated to the Catalina volume’s Messages.noindex folder. Just for >>> grins. Same error when attempting to launch MM. >>> >>> Any help or even wild suggestions are welcome. I have no Mac email client >>> and my thumbs are wearing out! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Dave >>> >>> >>>> On 3 May 2023, at 10:08, davecc wrote: >>>> >>>>> I’m creating a new boot volume (Catalina) and doing a minimal, manual >>>>> migration of needed apps. >>>>> >>>>> I downloaded MM from thr Freron server. >>>>> >>>>> I copied >>>>> ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate >>>>> >>>>> from the old boot volume (Sierra) to the new boot volume (Catalina). >>>> >>>> By default (if you don’t enable “Indexed for Finder/Spotlight”), the >>>> “Messages” folder is created as an alias pointing to “Messages.noindex”. >>>> Does that alias exist, and does it point to your new Messages.noindex >>>> folder? >>>> >>>> Glenn P. Parker >>>> glenn.par...@comcast.net >>>> ___ >>>> mailmate mailing list >>>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Migrating MM
As I remember I only transfered some plist files with the settings. (Only some bytes or MB) Then all messages are downloaded again from the IMAP.servers. Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 07.05.2023 um 01:55 schrieb davecc : > > > Glenn, > Thank you very much for your reply. You are my only link to a possible > solution. I’ve tried all I know to no avail, and Benny is not reachable (I > hope he’s OK…). > > When I install MM 1.14 on my new Catalina volume with no migrated messages or > settings, it progresses with the initial setup (it immediately asks for the > first IMAP address). All seems normal. > > If I first copy the folder ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate (7.4 GB) to > the new Catalina volume, when I launch MM I see this error: > > https://imgur.com/drWkmhR > > Re-launching brings the same message. > > The Original path is identical for both Application Support/MailMate folders > (Sierra and Catalina volumes). > > In the Catalina Get Info box I clicked on the “Select New Original…” button > and navigated to the Catalina volume’s Messages.noindex folder. Just for > grins. Same error when attempting to launch MM. > > Any help or even wild suggestions are welcome. I have no Mac email client and > my thumbs are wearing out! > > Thanks, > Dave > > >> On 3 May 2023, at 10:08, davecc wrote: >> >>> I’m creating a new boot volume (Catalina) and doing a minimal, manual >>> migration of needed apps. >>> >>> I downloaded MM from thr Freron server. >>> >>> I copied >>> ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate >>> >>> from the old boot volume (Sierra) to the new boot volume (Catalina). >> >> By default (if you don’t enable “Indexed for Finder/Spotlight”), the >> “Messages” folder is created as an alias pointing to “Messages.noindex”. >> Does that alias exist, and does it point to your new Messages.noindex folder? >> >> Glenn P. Parker >> glenn.par...@comcast.net >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] mail archiving
I found this TODO how to import mails from MailMate to EagleFiler (Disclaimer - I don't tested it) On 20 Mar 2023, at 20:26, John Cooper wrote: > Rob Russell via mailmate wrote (at 11:53 AM on Monday, March 20, 2023): > >> It took me a bit before I "got" EagleFiler and now I use it for many >> different purposes. I have years of emails in EF. I like the EF search >> though I can also search in the Finder and the backups (Arq and TimeMachine) >> don't seem to have a problem. >> >> And Michael Tsai's support is great. > > I'll add my voice to this. I back up my email once or twice a year to > EagleFiler, which has every email I could find on my system going back to > 1990 - many thousands of records. Search is amazing and extremely fast, and > the developer is active both on his support forum and via personal email. > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] mail archiving
Is it possible to have an IMAP interface to EagleFiler to attach any Mail client to it? On 20 Mar 2023, at 20:26, John Cooper wrote: > Rob Russell via mailmate wrote (at 11:53 AM on Monday, March 20, 2023): > >> It took me a bit before I "got" EagleFiler and now I use it for many >> different purposes. I have years of emails in EF. I like the EF search >> though I can also search in the Finder and the backups (Arq and TimeMachine) >> don't seem to have a problem. >> >> And Michael Tsai's support is great. > > I'll add my voice to this. I back up my email once or twice a year to > EagleFiler, which has every email I could find on my system going back to > 1990 - many thousands of records. Search is amazing and extremely fast, and > the developer is active both on his support forum and via personal email. > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] mail archiving
I read here in the mail list there was a solution with a local mail server which works as a local archive -> maybe you can look for this Is there a way to use the On 20 Mar 2023, at 20:26, John Cooper wrote: > Rob Russell via mailmate wrote (at 11:53 AM on Monday, March 20, 2023): > >> It took me a bit before I "got" EagleFiler and now I use it for many >> different purposes. I have years of emails in EF. I like the EF search >> though I can also search in the Finder and the backups (Arq and TimeMachine) >> don't seem to have a problem. >> >> And Michael Tsai's support is great. > > I'll add my voice to this. I back up my email once or twice a year to > EagleFiler, which has every email I could find on my system going back to > 1990 - many thousands of records. Search is amazing and extremely fast, and > the developer is active both on his support forum and via personal email. > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Feature Request: Time tracker in Message edit window
Since Hammerspoon is very universal what you can do: I guess this can be done with a Hammerspoon script :) On 10 Nov 2022, at 10:10, mailm...@businessdatasystems.co.nz wrote: > I've found that a time tracker in the message edit window of another email > client enhanced my focus. > > The time tracker simply displayed the amount of time spend composing an > email. After a configurable period the text displaying the time spent turned > red to indicate that you had exceeded that amount of time. > > It was extremely simple in the interface. I really appreciated it and would > like to see it in MailMate. > > > > Malcolm > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] note or subject modification
I tried to run the command: Before it is executes there was a dialog-box to ask for some permission (I don't remember exactly which one) maybe you need to manually assign this permissions if you cancel this dialog before On 4 Feb 2023, at 18:47, aisrael wrote: It does not seem to work under my conditions (no dialog box appears). So maybe I have to upgrade to Monterey or Ventura to see this (or maybe to Mailmate 5941). I was not planning to do this now (for unrelated reasons), so maybe later….. Alain On 4 Feb 2023, at 18:34, John Cooper wrote: aisrael wrote (at 9:23 AM on Saturday, February 4, 2023): Thanks. I have tried this (with the message opened, or not), but nothing happens (I use Mailmate 5898 with Big Sur). Is the Subject expected to become editable? Assuming that a message is selected, you should see a dialog box appear that lets you edit the subject while warning of some of the possibly unintended consequences. On my system, this works whether a message is highlighted in the message list, or if a message is open in its own window. I'm using 5941 on Ventura. On 4 Feb 2023, at 17:58, John Cooper wrote: aisrael wrote (at 8:52 AM on Saturday, February 4, 2023): I vaguely remember these questions have been asked already, but I can’t seem to find the answer in the exchanges I have kept : is it possible to add a short note to a message (like a reminder), or alternatively to modify the subject of this message? Commands > MailMate > Change Subject (^S) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate__;!!JFdNOqOXpB6UZW0!rjaZyADgBYsO1iES9p65E_1Xo3OJGSdlatgG25fiSz7oNp1__0QOLcUmMqtzID4LS66dmNUUv_cDA5SidUe09Xl9$ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Feature Request: Sticky Headers in Mail Preview / Mail Details View
Where: - Mail Preview - Mail Details View What I see: - When I scroll the message (with mouse or with space) the header scrolls also and get out of view What I like: - The header should stay in place and only the message body should scroll Settings: - implement this as an option, so that a user can decide how he like it___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Zoom in/out in Message Detail
Thx for the info - for me this is also fixed now. I am at #5939 now On 16 Nov 2022, at 22:28, John Cooper wrote: I can’t reproduce this behavior in 5927. Try updating to the latest test version. Michael Nietzold wrote (at 12:34 PM on Wednesday, November 16, 2022): Where: - i see a message in the 3 pane "preview" window - or i doble click and open the message details view what i do: - i try zoom with cmd+'+' / cmd+'-' what i see: - i see a zoom level tooltup in the right top corner - in Message preview - the message body is zoomed in/out - im Message detail popup windo - just the mail headers are zoomed in and zoomed out - the message it self is untouched what i expect: - in message popup window: that the message body also zoomed in and zoomed out with the given zoom level Mail Mate Version: Version 1.14 (5880) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailbox Name Format
I assume that you select in "Submailbox for each unique value of" to
"Date > Day" to get it grouped on daily basis
You get is displayed as:
-mm-dd
2023-01-23
There are some modifiers for date like:
`${#date.day}` -> `2023-01-23`
`${#date.month}` -> `2023-01`
`${#date.year}` -> `2023`
But I did not find something like ~~`${#date.dd}`~~ or
~~`${#date.mm.dd.yy}`~~
But you can do it with a regex:
`${#date/((\d{4})-(\d{2})-(\d{2}).*)/$3\/$4\/$2/}`
Whitch result in:
`mm/dd/`
`01/03/2023`
I hope this helps - maybe there a other formatters for date - but I can
not find them :/
On 28 Jan 2023, at 5:20, RANDY ABBOTT wrote:
What is the syntax for creating a custom mailbox name when creating
Submailboxes? I want the format mm/dd/yy but I don't know how that
translates to the syntax ${#date.xxx}
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Re: [MlMt] Open Links in Background? (workaround)
Added an option: -- Setup the click behaviour: -- -> use normal click to come back: false -- -> use cmd+click to come back: true local enable_cmdClick = true On 29 Jan 2023, at 1:46, Michael Nietzold wrote: For anyone interested for an workaround solution: I created this script for https://github.com/Hammerspoon/hammerspoon: https://github.com/muescha/dot_hammerspoon/blob/master/Functions/MailMateFocus.lua On 27 Jan 2023, at 17:07, Michael Nietzold wrote: ## Summary Is there a way to open links in background? MailMate should stay activated ## What I do: I have many mails with many links (for example a newsletter with some list of articles). I like to open some of the links. Just now I click on them, and they open Chrome. But the problem is: then the Chrome app is the frontmost app. ## What I see: - To delete the message (because there are no more links) I need to activate mail mate again, because chrome is the frontmost app - to click on the next link, I have to click twice: the first click to activate mail mate and the second click to click on the link ## What I expect: MailMate should stay activated so that I can work with MailMate ## What I tried so far: I used modifier keys (shift, alt/option, command) in combination with the click - but no luck ## Suggestion: As I know from Chrome there I can use the `cmd`+`click` to open a link in background it can be also in MailMate to open a link in Background. Otherwise an option that this `open in background` is the default behaviour would be the best solution for me :)___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Open Links in Background?
I am on: - MailMate 5933 - Ventura 13.1.0 On 27 Jan 2023, at 17:07, Michael Nietzold wrote: ## Summary Is there a way to open links in background? MailMate should stay activated ## What I do: I have many mails with many links (for example a newsletter with some list of articles). I like to open some of the links. Just now I click on them, and they open Chrome. But the problem is: then the Chrome app is the frontmost app. ## What I see: - To delete the message (because there are no more links) I need to activate mail mate again, because chrome is the frontmost app - to click on the next link, I have to click twice: the first click to activate mail mate and the second click to click on the link ## What I expect: MailMate should stay activated so that I can work with MailMate ## What I tried so far: I used modifier keys (shift, alt/option, command) in combination with the click - but no luck ## Suggestion: As I know from Chrome there I can use the `cmd`+`click` to open a link in background it can be also in MailMate to open a link in Background. Otherwise an option that this `open in background` is the default behaviour would be the best solution for me :)___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Open Links in Background? (workaround)
For anyone interested for an workaround solution: I created this script for https://github.com/Hammerspoon/hammerspoon: https://github.com/muescha/dot_hammerspoon/blob/master/Functions/MailMateFocus.lua On 27 Jan 2023, at 17:07, Michael Nietzold wrote: ## Summary Is there a way to open links in background? MailMate should stay activated ## What I do: I have many mails with many links (for example a newsletter with some list of articles). I like to open some of the links. Just now I click on them, and they open Chrome. But the problem is: then the Chrome app is the frontmost app. ## What I see: - To delete the message (because there are no more links) I need to activate mail mate again, because chrome is the frontmost app - to click on the next link, I have to click twice: the first click to activate mail mate and the second click to click on the link ## What I expect: MailMate should stay activated so that I can work with MailMate ## What I tried so far: I used modifier keys (shift, alt/option, command) in combination with the click - but no luck ## Suggestion: As I know from Chrome there I can use the `cmd`+`click` to open a link in background it can be also in MailMate to open a link in Background. Otherwise an option that this `open in background` is the default behaviour would be the best solution for me :)___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Open Links in Background?
## Summary Is there a way to open links in background? MailMate should stay activated ## What I do: I have many mails with many links (for example a newsletter with some list of articles). I like to open some of the links. Just now I click on them, and they open Chrome. But the problem is: then the Chrome app is the frontmost app. ## What I see: - To delete the message (because there are no more links) I need to activate mail mate again, because chrome is the frontmost app - to click on the next link, I have to click twice: the first click to activate mail mate and the second click to click on the link ## What I expect: MailMate should stay activated so that I can work with MailMate ## What I tried so far: I used modifier keys (shift, alt/option, command) in combination with the click - but no luck ## Suggestion: As I know from Chrome there I can use the `cmd`+`click` to open a link in background it can be also in MailMate to open a link in Background. Otherwise an option that this `open in background` is the default behaviour would be the best solution for me :)___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Move Mailboxes (folders) not possible anymore
where: - there are on the left side a tree with folders - I can create there Smart Folders What I try: - I like to reorder this folders - I drag the folders (without modifiers, or with modifiers cmd / alt(option) / control, shift) but no luck What I see instead: - I can not reorder What I expected: - I can reorder like in versions before System: - just upgraded from macOS 12.x to macOS 13.1 Ventura - Version 1.14 (5933) = Revision 5933 (Thursday, December 15, 2022) - I don't remember when I last time done a reorder with drag and drop - so I can not specify if this behaviour is lost because of upgrade the macOS or because of a new beta update :/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] New Test Build (5929)
Thanks :) On 7 Dec 2022, at 23:56, Eric Sharakan wrote: Hi Michael, test releases are different than beta releases. The release notes for test releases can be found here: https://updates.mailmate-app.com/test_release_notes To install test releases, hold the option key down while clicking the "Check Now" button in the Software Update preference tab. -Eric On 7 Dec 2022, at 17:38, Michael Nietzold wrote: Where you find the release notes for 5929? Here only 5918 is described as the newest information: https://updates.mailmate-app.com/beta_release_notes On 6 Dec 2022, at 15:05, Henry Seiden wrote: Hello All, New Test Build 5929 came up today as available. Benny has new features which by the way are NOT backwards compatible regarding header and conditions field types as numeric value declarations. Read the Release Notes carefully before applying the update. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Zoom in/out in Message Detail
Where: - i see a message in the 3 pane "preview" window - or i doble click and open the message details view what i do: - i try zoom with cmd+'+' / cmd+'-' what i see: - i see a zoom level tooltup in the right top corner - in Message preview - the message body is zoomed in/out - im Message detail popup windo - just the mail headers are zoomed in and zoomed out - the message it self is untouched what i expect: - in message popup window: that the message body also zoomed in and zoomed out with the given zoom level Mail Mate Version: Version 1.14 (5880)___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Draft messages are not editable
Can you check if you have set the mailbox type to "Drafts" for the draft folder? - Right Click on your "Drafts" folder/mailbox - Go to "Mailbox Type" - Check if it set to "Draft" (If you checked it on your "global" drafts folder then it may be grayed and unselectable - try to change it on the draft mailbox in the "Sources" section) On 12 Oct 2022, at 20:24, Dave Carpenter wrote: I’m running v5852. - - - Hello all, When I save a draft message, it appears in the Drafts directory. When I open that message it is not editable, nor is the Send icon visible. It’s like it is a Received message. I can right-click and choose “Edit as New Message…” and then it is both editable and sendable. But this is not the design, is it? Am I the only one that sees this MlMt behavior? When I check for updates, I’m told I’m up-to-date. Thanks, Dave___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] add ESC to close a child message view
When: - I have the eMails in a list - when I hit enter it opens a message in a single view as a new child view When I do: - to close I need to click on the red x or hit CMF+w What I expect: - somehow (because I always hitting it) I expect that i can close it just with the ESC key ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Link for viewing attachments
Just you talking about it: I agree - icons on the right side not that nice At least if the icona go to the left side it would be more convenient. Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 12.08.2022 um 21:04 schrieb Antonio Leding : > > > “What were you able to do with the older interface which you cannot do now?” > > Functionally, there is no change but UX wise, it is different. It was nice to > just click on the attachment filename and have it open as a preview without > needing the app. This function is now provided by clicking on the little eye > on the far right. > > The old way was a little more efficient - at least to me. But also, this just > my personal pref and not any type of show stopper… > > On 12 Aug 2022, at 7:43, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > > On 12 Aug 2022, at 1:07, Antonio Leding wrote: > > I recently upgraded to Monterey which necessitated a MM update to v5895. In > the new MM version, I see that attachments are no longer represented as links > within messages. > > I loved this feature so a couple questions here: > > Can this older behavior be enabled somehow? > No. > > If not, is this gone forever? > Yes. > > What were you able to do with the older interface which you cannot do now? > (The old one had many issues and few features.) > > -- > Benny > > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] 5900 first blush...
Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 24.06.2022 um 15:49 schrieb Benny Kjær Nielsen : > > On 24 Jun 2022, at 14:56, Henry Seiden wrote: > >> Is there a version for iPad/iPhone? > > Sorry, but no. > > Any Plans to make it in the future? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Search in Text not count when i change the message
When: - I have a list of emails - I open one email when I select it in the list it shows a preview in the lower part - I can search inside the email - I change to the next email in the email list What I see: - the search keyword is still in the email search field - the counter is set to "no match - to search again see "workaround" What I expect: - I would expect that the search is still run again to this other email workaround: - I need to klick into the search file - I need to retype the search keywords to run the search again___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Seach: show how much it match a keyword
Where: - in my Folders/Smart Folders I can search for a keyword - but sometimes I need more in depth info about the matches What I see: - I don't see how many times my keywords are found in the list What I expect: - See a column for count of how many times the keyword is found - maybe general - and also split into email/from/to/subject/body - add a option for Smartfolder to select by this count (for example more than >2 matches)___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] a aearch always switch to a wrong mailbox
Thanks a lot - that was the solution for my problem :) On 27 Apr 2022, at 22:02, Bill Cole wrote: > On 2022-04-27 at 12:12:21 UTC-0400 (Wed, 27 Apr 2022 18:12:21 +0200) > Michael Nietzold > is rumored to have said: > >> When: >> - I type a search in the search field >> - or I click on underlined keywords in a mail view (subject or email or >> similar) >> >> What I see: >> - the search starts >> - I it switched always to my folder/mailbox „Sent Messenges“ >> >> >> What I expect: >> - it should stay in the current folder >> >> >> >> How I can fix this?___ > > In the search box there is a magnifying glass with a pull-down menu that has > recent searches followed by a "Default Mailbox" item which lets you select > which mailbox to search by default. At the top of the mailbox list there is a > "Current Mailbox" option. > > > > > > -- > Bill Cole > b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org > (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) > Not Currently Available For Hire > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] a aearch always switch to a wrong mailbox
When: - I type a search in the search field - or I click on underlined keywords in a mail view (subject or email or similar) What I see: - the search starts - I it switched always to my folder/mailbox „Sent Messenges“ What I expect: - it should stay in the current folder How I can fix this?___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Block tabbing to clickable items in messages
I would expect the shortcuts CMD+0 , CMD+1 for jumping between the subviews In other programs they used for this kind of switching (for example IntelliJ IDEA). (I never change my views - that's why I never need this shortcuts) Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 21.11.2021 um 20:06 schrieb Benny Kjær Nielsen : > > On 18 Nov 2021, at 20:06, Randall Meadows wrote: > >> I'm using the three-pane view: mailbox list on left, message list on >> top-right, selected message on bottom-right. >> >> When I get an HTML message and focus ends up in the message (like after I >> click a link), I am now completely stuck in the message view from a keyboard >> navigation point-of-view, i.e., I cannot tab back to the message or mailbox >> list--tabbing just keeps cycling between clickable items in the message. > > It's on my list to see if this can work better. Keyboard navigation is a bit > tricky with the new message view. > > -- > Benny > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] SubMailbox > Email Selection > Delete Issue
I think you find it in conditions where you use "source mailbox" and then "not in" to exclude the Trash mailbox https://manual.mailmate-app.com/organize Or here some messages from the mail archive: https://lists.freron.com/mailmate/2014-September/003155.html https://lists.freron.com/mailmate/2013-April/000685.html Here with screenshot. I guess there is also a "not in": https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/42772/how-to-exclude-mailboxes-within-a-smart-mailbox Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 25.10.2021 um 12:57 schrieb Jo Sidarta : > > Hi Michael, > > Thanks for your reply! > > That make sense! > When I deleted the email the second time, the email font became red; which > probably indicated it’ll be removed from the trash folder. > > I didn’t create a new smart mailbox, what I did is selected the source > mailbox and edit the settings (thus there was no option to exclude the trash > folder): https://imgur.com/aSvwR1s > But your suggestion gave me the idea to use a smart mailbox instead. > > Where can I find this ‘folder name’? as I could not find that option: > https://imgur.com/WspbfKa > > Regards, > > Jo > >> On 25 Oct 2021, at 20:25, Michael Nietzold wrote: >> >> I guess you have also included the Trash folder in you smartmailbox >> >> So the first delete it moves to Trash >> >> The second delete it removes from Trash >> >> >> (Try to include the folder name in to the visible columns to check where the >> eMail is located) >> >> Solutions: >> >> a) change the source for the smartmailbox to INBOX >> b) exclude your TRASH folder (or simar name depending on your folders) in >> the smartmailbox settings. >> >> >> >> Von meinem iDingens gesendet... >> >>>> Am 23.10.2021 um 21:52 schrieb Jo Sidarta : >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I am trialing MailMate and have started to use the ‘submailboxes’ feature >>> (to allow me seeing the inbound emails based on “From > Name”). >>> >>> I noticed I need to press ‘Delete’ twice, before I am able to delete emails >>> I selected in the ‘submailbox filter’. >>> >>> Is anyone else experiencing the same thing? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Jo >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] SubMailbox > Email Selection > Delete Issue
a) I remember there is somewhere in conditions that you can exclude a folder. I am not at my macbook now so you have to.search for the exclude b) you need to show the column "source mailbox" Note: in MailMate it is used this technical terms instead of the common used terms: Technical => common names "mailbox" => folder "Account" => Mail Account / Mailbox Von meinem iDingens gesendet... Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 25.10.2021 um 12:57 schrieb Jo Sidarta : > > Hi Michael, > > Thanks for your reply! > > That make sense! > When I deleted the email the second time, the email font became red; which > probably indicated it’ll be removed from the trash folder. > > I didn’t create a new smart mailbox, what I did is selected the source > mailbox and edit the settings (thus there was no option to exclude the trash > folder): https://imgur.com/aSvwR1s > But your suggestion gave me the idea to use a smart mailbox instead. > > Where can I find this ‘folder name’? as I could not find that option: > https://imgur.com/WspbfKa > > Regards, > > Jo > >> On 25 Oct 2021, at 20:25, Michael Nietzold wrote: >> I guess you have also included the Trash folder in you smartmailbox >> So the first delete it moves to Trash >> The second delete it removes from Trash >> (Try to include the folder name in to the visible columns to check where the >> eMail is located) >> Solutions: >> a) change the source for the smartmailbox to INBOX >> b) exclude your TRASH folder (or simar name depending on your folders) in >> the smartmailbox settings. >> Von meinem iDingens gesendet... >>>> Am 23.10.2021 um 21:52 schrieb Jo Sidarta : >>> Hi All, >>> I am trialing MailMate and have started to use the ‘submailboxes’ feature >>> (to allow me seeing the inbound emails based on “From > Name”). >>> I noticed I need to press ‘Delete’ twice, before I am able to delete emails >>> I selected in the ‘submailbox filter’. >>> Is anyone else experiencing the same thing? >>> Regards, >>> Jo >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] SubMailbox > Email Selection > Delete Issue
I guess you have also included the Trash folder in you smartmailbox So the first delete it moves to Trash The second delete it removes from Trash (Try to include the folder name in to the visible columns to check where the eMail is located) Solutions: a) change the source for the smartmailbox to INBOX b) exclude your TRASH folder (or simar name depending on your folders) in the smartmailbox settings. Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 23.10.2021 um 21:52 schrieb Jo Sidarta : > > Hi All, > > I am trialing MailMate and have started to use the ‘submailboxes’ feature (to > allow me seeing the inbound emails based on “From > Name”). > > I noticed I need to press ‘Delete’ twice, before I am able to delete emails I > selected in the ‘submailbox filter’. > > Is anyone else experiencing the same thing? > > Regards, > > Jo > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] loadImagesOnce is not working
somehow i guess it is not loading my custom keybindings, because if i define other keybindings they are not in effect -> Check location: $ which Custom.plist ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/KeyBindings -> Check valid plist: $ plutil Custom.plist Custom.plist: OK On 21 Dec 2020, at 17:31, Michael Nietzold wrote: in settings i have this setup for custom key bindings: "Standard,Custom" On 21 Dec 2020, at 16:46, Michael Nietzold wrote: i have this Keybinding defined, but since some versions it not display the images anymore: "l" = "loadImagesOnce:"; any hints how i can fix it? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] loadImagesOnce is not working
in settings i have this setup for custom key bindings: "Standard,Custom" On 21 Dec 2020, at 16:46, Michael Nietzold wrote: i have this Keybinding defined, but since some versions it not display the images anymore: "l" = "loadImagesOnce:"; any hints how i can fix it? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Keybindings for CMD+1 ... 3 to Select Tree/MessageList/MessageView
i do not switch my view/Layout - i like to stay in Three Panes Layout so i would like to remap it with this actions: CMD+1: select the tree on the left side CMD+2: select the Message List on right side CMD+3: select the Message View i have this questions: - can i remap the CMD+_ commands? - which selectors i have to use PS: i can switch with TAB and SHIFT+TAB - but when i am in the MessageView (because i clicked on a link in the message) they is no way to move the cursor to the three or message list, because the TAB/SHIFT+TAB scroll through some input fields and buttons :( ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] loadImagesOnce is not working
i have this Keybinding defined, but since some versions it not display the images anymore: "l" = "loadImagesOnce:"; any hints how i can fix it? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Smart Folder - select all
# Overview i do separate my mails with different smart folders so i can delete some mails in one step. but since the new beta 5744 i see a new behavior # Steps i do - when i change a (smart) folder on on the tree on the left hand site - i hit CMD+A for select all - i hit delete # Behavior before 5744: - all mails are selected and i can hit delete # Behavior with 5744: - no eMails are selected and eMails not deleted - i need to hit TAB to change to the mail list and hit there CMD+A and DEL # Summary - i would like to have the old behavior ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keep read or unread status unchanged.
yes - go to and uncheck this: / Settings / Viewer / Message View / [ ] Mark messages read after 10.0 seconds On 5 Oct 2020, at 14:26, Martin Dege wrote: Hi, Is there a way to setup a smart mailbox so that the unread (or read) status of emails in that smart mailbox does not change even if I click on/read a message? Martin___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Alert sending from email address?
As seen here https://manual.mailmate-app.com/customization it is maybe `from.address.domain` (i don't know what `.toplevel` do in the example) Von meinem iDingens gesendet... Am 04.11.2020 um 03:27 schrieb Glenn Parker : On 3 Nov 2020, at 18:08, Jim Armitage wrote: Thanks, but I don’t see any difference between your quoting and mine. Where do you see the difference? I tried copying/pasting yours anyway (changing the email of course) and still no go. The only difference I can see in the two versions is matching against “from.address” versus “from.domain”. Glenn P. Parker glenn.par...@comcast.net ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] AppleScript or other method to show unread messages in Inbox?
Did you tried an IMAP library in your favourite language to query the status of your inbox or use the IMAP search for "UNSEEN" Note: an 'folder' in IMAP libraries is named 'mailbox' Am 21.10.2020 um 18:51 schrieb Dan Pritts : (looking through old mail and came across this) No idea about doing this with mailmate, but i'm sure there are other ways to skin this cat. I just googled this and came across several options. I tried "imap mail checker linux" - most linux code should compile on the mac, and it helped focus the search. The first one that looks likely is imapsync. Very broad tool, but check out this option: --justfoldersizes : Exit after having printed the folder sizes. On Sep 11, 2020, at 1:11 PM, TJ Luoma wrote: I'd like to programmatically (script-ably) find out how many unread messages I have in my Inbox. Does anyone know if that's possible? ~ TjL ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client
Is there any email client where I have smart folder where I can set the „to“ value Für incoming emails (which I use it in MailMate often) Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 04.09.2020 um 16:37 schrieb aisrael : > > I use Preside, I have around 300 000 emails, split into multiple folders, > and it works fine. I found it the closest thing to Mailmate (although I find > it much less ergonomic on the iPad). I also used Altamail, but for some > unknown reasons (I suspect due to the fact that I use an Exchange server), > some of my folders never appear in the list. Therefore I stopped using it. > > Alain > >> On 4 Sep 2020, at 16:25, Robert Goldman wrote: >> >> Do you know if this is an issue with individual IMAP *folders* or IMAP >> *accounts* with large numbers of messages? I'm not sure how to interpret >> "inbox" in >> >>> “One more thing that can help a lot is to keep your Inboxes clean. The app >>> can check an Inbox with 50 emails a LOT faster than it can check an Inbox >>> with 5,000 emails.” >> >> Does that mean if we don't subscribe to huge folders we will be ok, even if >> we have a lot of them? Or is this more a function of the overall number of >> message in the account as a whole? >> >> I'm ok with the first, but I have at least one IMAP account that is huge. >> >>> On 4 Sep 2020, at 8:28, Bryce Wray wrote: >>> On 4 Sep 2020, at 8:05, m...@rhp.tw wrote: >>> Have you attempted to contact the Preside developer? I've found that he's incredibly helpful and replies quickly. On Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 06:28 AM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: > Preside is very powerful but totally fails on large inboxes (I have > 1.000.000+ messages). I gave it 2 weeks to try and stop fetching new > messages but never completed. > It never managed to show new messages consistently because of this. > > In the end I've settled with Spark which has decent smart folders and > does not choke on the big inbox. > > /max > https://xam.dk/about >>> >>> >>> First, thanks to Guillaume Barrette for the article plug elsewhere in this >>> thread. :-) >>> >>> The Preside dev is, indeed, extraordinarily helpful and responsive; but he >>> also hints within Preside’s FAQ page about issues with mailboxes with >>> massive numbers of emails. For example, in >>> https://preside.io/faq.html#NotificationsTooLong: “One more thing that can >>> help a lot is to keep your Inboxes clean. The app can check an Inbox with >>> 50 emails a LOT faster than it can check an Inbox with 5,000 emails.” >>> >>> Of course, that reference is specifically about notifications, and thus >>> perhaps unrelated to the issue mentioned here. Just FYI. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Bryce Wray >>> bw...@wraytx.com >>> https://brycewray.com >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] new Message VIew - Very very very slow
5712 is the latest beta (did you hold the option key?) Von meinem iDingens gesendet... Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 29.08.2020 um 18:50 schrieb Michael Nietzold > : > > that is the current Beta: Version 1.13.2 (5712) > >>> On 29 Aug 2020, at 17:48, Oliver Groschopp wrote: >>> On 29 Aug 2020, at 17:28, Michael Nietzold wrote: >>> in Beta >>> you can download it: setting/software update - hold option key when >>> clicking "check now" >> I did. My current version is the Version 1.13.2 (5672)! Nevertheless I can't >> recognize any other message view. >> Oliver >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] new Message VIew - Very very very slow
that is the current Beta: Version 1.13.2 (5712) On 29 Aug 2020, at 17:48, Oliver Groschopp wrote: On 29 Aug 2020, at 17:28, Michael Nietzold wrote: in Beta you can download it: setting/software update - hold option key when clicking "check now" I did. My current version is the Version 1.13.2 (5672)! Nevertheless I can't recognize any other message view. Oliver ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] new Message VIew - Very very very slow
in Beta you can download it: setting/software update - hold option key when clicking "check now" On 29 Aug 2020, at 17:10, Oliver Groschopp wrote: Hi, On 29 Aug 2020, at 17:04, Michael Nietzold wrote: i have with the new Messave View the problem that it is very slow. new Message View? Where? Regards Oliver ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] new Message VIew - Very very very slow
Hi i have with the new Messave View the problem that it is very slow. it takes about 4-5 seconds to render an Message. Also the Message Editor is slow and when i type the letters show up with a delay of 1-2 seconds. :( ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Moving from Apple Mail to Mailmate
If you really need a local storage: - how about running a local imap server on your Mac? Von meinem iDingens gesendet... >> Am 26.08.2020 um 19:42 schrieb Antonio Leding : > Hello all — Thank you very much for your responses…the feedback is very > helpful. I also use C-Command’s SpamSieve and EagleFiler products as both > are phenomenal at what they do. Talking specifically about EagleFiler, I > personally looked at several different methods and apps for email archiving — > DevonThink, MailSteward, Evernote, local exports, and even a custom database > — and for me, EF was the best all around option. > > I must admit that while I have already setup a few accounts in MM, I had not > yet noticed that in-app local message storage was not available (just hadn’t > tried it yet) so thank you for educating me there. With that in mind, does > anyone know why this wasn’t implemented? Was this intentional, too much > work, etc? Also, is there sufficient user desire for implementing in-app > local storage? I admit that as I write, this, I am forced to consider that > maybe not having this feature is a blessing in disguise because it probably > forces some of us to use a more reliable archival process and\or not keeping > large amounts of mail on the server. > > Again, thanks for your feedback and please feel free to keep it coming… > > > > >> On Aug 26, 2020, at 8:20 AM, Eric Sharakan wrote: >> >> On 26 Aug 2020, at 10:55, Philip Paeps wrote: >> >> On 2020-08-26 06:20:56 (+0800), Antonio Leding wrote: >> >> My core questions would be around performance (I have well over 150k >> messages across 12 email accounts), reliability, SpamSieve functionality, >> things you wish you’d known before migrating, etc. >> >> I wouldn't worry about performance or reliability too much with only 150,000 >> messages. There are people on this mailing list with millions of messages >> and MailMate "just copes". :) (I have just shy of 2 million messages and I >> have one mailbox with just over 150,000 messages in it. I know that I am not >> the biggest email hoarder here.) >> >> As an FYI, I did check out the Mailmate Mailman archive but didn’t find a >> lot concerning migrating from Apple Mail…hence this message. >> >> If I were to venture a guess ... I'd say it's pretty uneventful for most >> people. :) >> >> These are some functional differences I encountered between MM and Apple >> Mail: >> >> No POP3 support >> No built-in spam filtering >> No local, "on your Mac" mailboxes. Everything is stored on the server. >> Composing rich emails is done with Markdown >> For me, the first item was a non-issue. To address the second, I use >> SpamSieve (Apple Mail's junk filtering had really begun failing me anyway). >> For the third, I bought EagleFiler to archive older emails I had been >> storing locally with Apple Mail. >> >> SpamSieve and EagleFiler are both excellent products from C-Command Software >> (https://c-command.com/) >> >> Finally, composing emails with Markdown took some getting used to but I now >> really like it. One of the (few) complaints I sometimes read about MM is >> that the Markdown processor used is a bit old and crufty, and missing some >> features. >> >> All in all I'm an extremely happy MM customer, and simply can't imagine ever >> going back to Apple Mail. >> >> -Eric >> >> Philip >> >> -- >> Philip Paeps >> Senior Reality Engineer >> Alternative Enterprises >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Keyboard Shortcuts selecting Tree / List / Details
while browsing my messages (i use layout `Three panes`) the most things i have to do: - selecting something in the folder tree (on the left side) - selecting something in the message list above the details - scrolling in a message in MessageDetail view But switching between this 3 panes is horrible :( i can only use `tab` and `shift+tab` but what is selected is a little random, because with the tab also other things like buttons are selected :( From IntelliJ Idea i have the short cuts CTRL+1 -> CTRL+9 which are selecting the different tool windows - but these shortcuts are blocked for the layout change (which i never use), i like to have the same here. I would like the have some shortcuts so that i can select direkt one of the tree panes (without the `Tab`/`Shift-Tab`) is this possible?___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL in Subject -> no fast on-click filter possible
When you hover over a subject it gets underlined the part without [] - if you click on a subject the if creates a filter for this text and you see only messages with this subject Von meinem iDingens gesendet... >> Am 14.06.2020 um 05:19 schrieb Randall Gellens : > > What is a one-click-filter? > > --Randall > > On 11 Jun 2020, at 8:51, Michael Nietzold wrote: > > when: > > i have a subject with a url inside: > > Re: [alanshaw/david] https://david-dm.org is down (#163) > > when i hoover over the subject the interesting part gets underlined > > what i see: > > when i click at any place there the url is opended > what i expected > > when i click at any play the one-click-filter should activated (like on other > subjects without a url) ___ > mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] URL in Subject -> no fast on-click filter possible
### when: - i have a subject with a url inside: `Re: [alanshaw/david] https://david-dm.org is down (#163)` - when i hoover over the subject the interesting part gets underlined ### what i see: - when i click at any place there the url is opended ### what i expected - when i click at any play the one-click-filter should activated (like on other subjects without a url) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?
to be honest: First before I tried mailmate I did read a review also writing that the UI is outdated without this hint i would never look at mailmate. but with this warning that I should not judge the UI and I should only look at the functions which programmers would love I would never find this (hidden) gem of a mail app that's wHy its good to point out this in a review. Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 17.05.2020 um 19:05 schrieb Bryce Wray : > > > On 16 May 2020, at 17:40, Randall Gellens wrote: > > I nicely useful blog post, thanks for writing it and letting us know. I > especially appreciate the clear, early links to the app's privacy policies. > > Just as an aside, you write "MailMate isn’t 'pretty.' Its interface is busy > and dated-looking" I am thoroughly sick of sleek and modern-looking > interfaces that range from utterly useless to user-vicious. It seems that > every major web site and app has "modernized" their interface, making them > clean, pretty, lots of empty space and pictures, at the cost of being able to > see or do anything. > > --Randall > > Randall, > > Thanks for the kind words. Of course, where MailMate’s interface is > concerned, I was writing mainly to those unfamiliar with it and whose only > experience is with the glitzier looking apps of more recent years. Having > personally used many different email clients over the last quarter-century, I > am perfectly happy with its interface. I wish for only one tiny thing more — > the option of showing a two-line-or-so message preview in the messages list — > which is one of the items Benny has said he will get around to adding > someday. :-) > > Best wishes, > > Bryce Wray > bw...@wraytx.com > https://brycewray.com > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders
I think it would be better if MM use the more user-friendly terms folder and smart-folder Everytime I have to remember that a folder in MM is a Mailbox Should be a gerneral switch: rename all "mailbox" to "folder" Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 28.01.2020 um 19:45 schrieb Robert Brenstein > : > > > On 28 Jan 2020, at 19:25, Jo wrote: > > On 28 Jan 2020, at 5:11, Eric Sharakan wrote: > > Create an Inbox rule that moves emails to one specific, pre-existing IMAP > mailbox. Then setup another "rule" attached to that mailbox with no actual > rules, but the settings to creates virtual submailboxes based on the sender's > name. This way, you get the sorting by sender's name and the moving of the > messages out of your inbox. > > Does that make sense? > > It almost makes sense. The problem I’m having is wrapping my head around IMAP > in general, I think. I have been almost exclusively using POP for so many > years now. > > So is a ‘pre-existing IMAP mailbox’ one that is for a specific email address? > Is it in the Sources area? There are so MANY mailboxes here it’s very > confusing. Of course I have a half dozen email addresses in play, so it’s my > own fault. > > Jo > > I used to use Eudora and POP for ever and ever, so when I switched to > MailMate and IMAP, it took some mental effort and head scratching to adjust. > My suggestion is that you embrace the IMAP paradigm rather than sticking to > POP style. It took me some physical effort to set all up but it was well > worth it and the effort was mostly only during the initial setup. In > practical terms, I suggest that you learn to use the smart mailboxes that > MailMate offers and do not or only minimally use additional real > folder/mailboxes in your IMAP account. A lot more power and flexibility to > gain over time. Focus more on creating an optimal mail workflow than > recreating your previous setup. > > Robert > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Recover accidentally deleted emails in TRASH by change date possible?
I am on 13.2.3 and this happened. thx a lot for the link Von meinem iDingens gesendet... Von meinem iDingens gesendet... >> Am 07.12.2019 um 00:08 schrieb Robert Brenstein >> : > > https://talk.tidbits.com/t/ios-13-2-delete-all-in-junk-folder-actually-deletes-inbox-messages/10131 > > On 6 Dec 2019, at 23:16, Michael Nietzold wrote: > > That's interesting - I assumed it was my dumb error while selecting all mails > in the wrong folder and then deleting it. > > I used Apple Mail on iOS ( on macOS only MailMate) > > Do you have some keywords to search for this bug or a link? > > Thank you > > > > Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > > Am 06.12.2019 um 19:32 schrieb Robert Brenstein > : > > > What you describe is a known bug in the new Apple Mail app. > It was discussed extensively on Tidbits recently among others. > > On 6 Dec 2019, at 8:21, Michael Nietzold wrote: > > Hi, > > In iPhone Apple Mail I was in my spam folder. Deleted manually bad mails. > selected by "select all" some remaining mails, at first i was about to move > them out of the spam folder, but the I remembered they are moved to spam by > my IMAP server and then I hit delete this emails. > > 路♂️ but somehow this deleted also many Mails from my INBOX I don't know > why > > Now I have many 5k-10k mails in the trash folder (normal deleted time > before and the just now deleted) but I don't like to go through all of them > manually. > > My last chance is using my MailMate to solve this. But I am not at my Mac > just now :( > > Here are my questions: > - I there a way to distinct the mails I deleted just now? > - there are some IMAP header with the time of deletion or a last change date? > > Any help would be nice to read > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Recover accidentally deleted emails in TRASH by change date possible?
That's interesting - I assumed it was my dumb error while selecting all mails in the wrong folder and then deleting it. I used Apple Mail on iOS ( on macOS only MailMate) Do you have some keywords to search for this bug or a link? Thank you Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 06.12.2019 um 19:32 schrieb Robert Brenstein > : > > > What you describe is a known bug in the new Apple Mail app. > It was discussed extensively on Tidbits recently among others. > > On 6 Dec 2019, at 8:21, Michael Nietzold wrote: > > Hi, > > In iPhone Apple Mail I was in my spam folder. Deleted manually bad mails. > selected by "select all" some remaining mails, at first i was about to move > them out of the spam folder, but the I remembered they are moved to spam by > my IMAP server and then I hit delete this emails. > > 路♂️ but somehow this deleted also many Mails from my INBOX I don't know > why > > Now I have many 5k-10k mails in the trash folder (normal deleted time > before and the just now deleted) but I don't like to go through all of them > manually. > > My last chance is using my MailMate to solve this. But I am not at my Mac > just now :( > > Here are my questions: > - I there a way to distinct the mails I deleted just now? > - there are some IMAP header with the time of deletion or a last change date? > > Any help would be nice to read > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Recover accidentally deleted emails in TRASH by change date possible?
Hi, In iPhone Apple Mail I was in my spam folder. Deleted manually bad mails. selected by "select all" some remaining mails, at first i was about to move them out of the spam folder, but the I remembered they are moved to spam by my IMAP server and then I hit delete this emails. 路♂️ but somehow this deleted also many Mails from my INBOX I don't know why Now I have many 5k-10k mails in the trash folder (normal deleted time before and the just now deleted) but I don't like to go through all of them manually. My last chance is using my MailMate to solve this. But I am not at my Mac just now :( Here are my questions: - I there a way to distinct the mails I deleted just now? - there are some IMAP header with the time of deletion or a last change date? Any help would be nice to read Von meinem iDingens gesendet... ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
> you can go in on any mailbox and add a condition that you don't want to see > mails if they are found in another folder (physical or smart virtual ones). > If I remember opera mail it actually works in the same manner...except you > couldn't configure/control it... How i can Setup this "Not in other View" condition? > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Weird annoyance
Maybe that's the preview window? When i write a mesage text and then MM see it can be an Markdown then MM open a preview window under the message box Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 18.10.2019 um 04:12 schrieb John Cooper : > > Move it somewhere else? > > Mine always open wherever the last message window was when it closed. > > Annamarie Pluhar wrote (at 17:57 on 17 Oct 2019): > >> Somehow - I don’t know how or why - MM has decided that when I want to write >> an email it opens up a little skinny window on the right side of my screen. >> How do I correct this behavior? >> >> Any ideas? >> Thanks >> >> >> Annamarie Pluhar >> 802-451-1941 >> 802-579-5975 (iPhone - not good when I'm at my desk.) >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Messages as Tabs
Thanks a lot you fixed an painpoint for me :) On 1 Oct 2019, at 0:41, Roger Sheen wrote: On Wednesday, 2019-09-25, at 19:16 CEST, Robert Brenstein wrote: this is some system setting. i have such a behavior under high sierra but not under el capitan. System Preferences > Dock > Prefer tabs when opening documents: [ Always | In Full Screen Only | Manually ] ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Messages as Tabs
Since some versions i get on double click and on enter the messages in Tabs instead of new window. how i can change this to the old behavoir? MailMate: Version 1.12.5 (5635) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Display a single new mail in a new window
Since some of the last versions this has changed and now it opens with ENTER in a new tab instead of new window - and with double click in new window. I don't know how I can change it back to ENTER in a new window... Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 12.09.2019 um 19:14 schrieb Randall Meadows : > >> On 12 Sep 2019, at 11:11, Charlie Clark wrote: >> >> is it possible to open a single received message in a new window? > > I just hit the Enter key to get the currently-selected message to open in its > own window. > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] iOS
I miss on iOS the smart subfolder by "to:email-address" for incoming emails Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 11.09.2019 um 15:19 schrieb Richard Rettke : > > I used Preside for a while but then discovered AltaMail which I find to be > even more robust, frequently updated and like Preside has a gazillion > features but is IMHO more manageable. > > -- > Richard Rettke > Laus Deo > Non sibi sed patriae > > About Me > > On 11 Sep 2019, at 7:55, Alain Israel aisr...@pasteur.fr wrote: > > A question not directly related to Mailmate (not on politics either) : I > would be curious to know which mail app you use (or recommand) on iphone and > ipad? Does any of them share some of the advantages of Mailmate? > If this has been discussed before, just let me know. > > Alain > > PS : I currently use Preside,which is so customizable that you tend to get > lost in the zillions of options available. > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Search for messages send to one of my addresses, but where the final address is not in TO or CC
Same problem: I have submarines depending on `to->address` then the mails only visible in `other` Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 08.05.2019 um 11:28 schrieb leo : > > Hi all, > > When messages send to one of my addresses say mailm...@halloleo.hailmail.net > in BCC mode (e.g. when send from a mailing list), how can search for them? > > Typing in the search field > > t mailm...@halloleo.hailmail.net > doesn’t find them, because it only looks in the TO and CC headers. I found a > way how to list theses messages in a Smart Mailbox (via the X-Delivered-To > message header from the other dropdown in the mailbox conditions), but I > would like to find them in ad-hoc searches via the search field as well. > > An way to do this? > > Thanks, > Leo > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Notes on latest test release and Gmail OAuth application verification
Maybe you can strip out the images links via text/replace before you put the HTML into the WKWebView? Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 02.05.2019 um 15:23 schrieb Benny Kjær Nielsen : > > On 2 May 2019, at 15:01, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: > > On 2 May 2019, at 5:19, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > > I don't like the idea of disabling image blocking, but the changes needed for > WKWebView might be too much of a hassle to keep the WebView solution for > earlier macOS releases. In that case, disabling image blocking for earlier > releases might be a solution. Alternatively, I can possibly still block > things using different methods. > > Being able to block images by default is an absolute requirement for me and I > suspect for others. > > Of course. My answer was in response to the fact that I might have to require > 10.13+ to support image blocking using WKWebView. WKWebView works with older > macOS releases, but this is without an API to do image blocking. That leaves > me with various options: > > Make MailMate macOS 10.13+ only. > Find a different way to do image blocking on older macOS releases while still > using WKWebView. This means MailMate becomes 10.10+ only. > Maintain the old message view solution for older macOS versions. > Not do image blocking on older macOS versions. > I would prefer the second solution. > > But there are other people who share my concerns who do run older releases, > often because their hardware is too old for Mojave. > > Yes, but in any case, they also have the option of running an older version > of MailMate. They won't get updates to MailMate, but they are also not > getting updates to macOS. > > But let's see what happens. I still have many unresolved issues with > WKWebView. Maybe I cannot make it work at all :) > > -- > Benny > https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Adding header fields to message view (was " attachment in headers display")
Since i Like to have the "source mailbox" as row in the header section of a message: To combine both ideas it would be nice to have a generic setting for additional header rows where a user can add one or more rows with meta data from the message (or some of the possible calculations) Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 24.04.2019 um 17:30 schrieb Verdon Vaillancourt : > >> On 24 Apr 2019, at 11:23, Randall Gellens wrote: >> >>> On 24 Apr 2019, at 7:49, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote: >>> >>> Related to this, but not concerning attachments… >>> >>> Is there a low-level way to hack what is displayed in the header area of a >>> message view? Specifically, the company I work for uses gmail corporate, >>> and a lot of ‘delegation’ access to special accounts. In other words, I >>> can login to my account and have access to send and receive on behalf of >>> some generic accounts like support@ and info@ and so on. People using the >>> gmail browser client can see what delegate was sending on behalf of that >>> account. I of course cannot see that in MailMate. The delegate information >>> is an extra field in the message’s header. >> >> You want to add a specific header field to the set that is shown in a >> message view? That seems very useful. I don't see an easy way to do that. >> Perhaps someone else on the list can answer. (It might be possible to edit >> the MmMessagesWebView/stylesheet.css, as mentioned in >> https://manual.mailmate-app.com/customization, but I don't know and have >> never done it). >> >> The View -> Show Raw Message command will show all header fields, but likely >> this isn't what you want. >> >> --Randall > > Thank you for the reference to the customization page. I’d forgotten that and > will look there. Your understanding of the scenario is exactly right. Also > thanks for changing the subject of the message. I should know better ;-) > > — Verdon > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] context menu item: copy eMail with `mailto:` link
when: - i have a Mail with an eMail - the link is there with `mailto:n...@domain.com` what i see: - i see a context menu: add the `n...@domain.com` - i see a context menu: copy link - i can use copy link but then is `mailto:n...@domain.com` in clipboard what i expect: - an context menu: copy email - after copy in clipboard `n...@domain.com`___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Tab stops and previews of multiple selected messages
thx for the hint. but for my feature request it is only the half way On 7 Apr 2019, at 1:28, David Shepherdson wrote: On 6 Apr 2019, at 07.00, Greg Earle wrote: In my job I get a lot of e-mails that are of a similar nature and of an informational level so I delete a lot of them. When I go to select a lot of messages (to either delete or forward) - or select a few, but they are really long messages (like log file outputs) - MailMate invariably takes a while and beach-balls. I’ve previously seen mention on the mailing list here that you can use the following command to prevent the display of multiple messages when selected: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmMaximumMessagesDisplayed -integer 1 From a quick try, it seems that with this applied, you just get an empty preview pane if you select more than one message. Given it seems to be an integer setting, you could potentially experiment with larger values than 1 to see if there’s a good compromise between usefulness and performance. David ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Tab stops and previews of multiple selected messages
For your second problem I suggested some days ago in thread "Preview Pane should show last new item" and some mails later: only one preview of of the last selected message. Then it should be the same effect as apple mail and should be also faster when selecting many messages. I hope Benny implement this "single preview" feature :) Von meinem iDingens gesendet... Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 05.04.2019 um 22:00 schrieb Greg Earle : > > Benny, > > Two unrelated questions: > > MailMate seems to default to tab stops being set to 4. I'm old and like 8. > > Any way to change it? I did a "defaults read" and looked through the output > but didn't see anything. Also looked in ~/Library/Application\ > Support/MailMate/*.plist. Nada. > > On a completely different note, is there any way to turn off message > previewing for multiple selected messages? > > In my job I get a lot of e-mails that are of a similar nature and of an > informational level so I delete a lot of them. When I go to select a lot of > messages (to either delete or forward) - or select a few, but they are really > long messages (like log file outputs) - MailMate invariably takes a while and > beach-balls. > > (I like the way Apple Mail handles selecting multiple messages - shows you > the top-most one and makes it look like a stack of papers that are slightly > askew so you can see there are multiple messages. No fuss, no muss - and no > beach-balling.) > > Thanks, > >- Greg > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MM crashes sometimes
On 5 Apr 2019, at 16:22, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 3 Apr 2019, at 15:59, Michael Nietzold wrote: in the last days (i don't know exactly when it starts) i have sometimes a MM crashing with the "Beachball Of Death"(TM) and i have to kill it. There's a known (unresolved) issue where MailMate hangs after a period of display sleep. In that case I'd like you to also try using the latest test release: Hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane. ok updated i don't see when it exactly crashed. most times i think after i clicked a link and i come back from chrome to MM - then MM not responds. how can i help with logfiles? crashreports? Make sure you have enabled sending crash reports with the setting in the General preferences pane. Preferably with a contact email address. yes - it is checked with email adress, but i never get the question to send a crash report ... With respect to hanging then additional details can be sent using “Help ▸ Send Feedback”. In particular, Activity Monitor, or the following Terminal command can be used to generate a sample file: sample MailMate 10 | ~/Desktop/sample_mailmate.txt when i should do this? after when it crashed and hang? -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Automatic set from email depending on "to email"
ok sent On 5 Apr 2019, at 15:33, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 1 Apr 2019, at 17:33, Michael Nietzold wrote: `X-Envelope-to:` shows my special email for the list. To debug this I need an email you have received from the list and I need to know your “Email Address(es)” setting for the related account. You can use “Help ▸ Send Feedback” to send it (drag'n'drop the example email). -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Feature Request: View Folder / Source In Mail Header
what i do: - i search over all my messages - i see a result list, but the source column is set to small width what i expect: - i see an additional line in the header part of the current mail with the folder / source where: - in Mail Preview in 3Pane View - in Mail Single View ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] MM crashes sometimes
in the last days (i don't know exactly when it starts) i have sometimes a MM crashing with the "Beachball Of Death"(TM) and i have to kill it. i don't see when it exactly crashed. most times i think after i clicked a link and i come back from chrome to MM - then MM not responds. how can i help with logfiles? crashreports? i found around the time of the crash this in Konsole (i removed uuid's): Mac Analyze: com.apple.message.domain: com.apple.crashreporter.writereport.hang com.apple.message.signature: MailMate com.apple.message.signature2: UNBUNDLED ||| 1.12.4 (5623) ((null)) com.apple.message.signature3: hang com.apple.message.result: noop com.apple.message.summarize: YES SenderMachUUID: x----xxx Systemreports: Command: MailMate Path:/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/MacOS/MailMate Identifier: com.freron.MailMate Process: MailMate [50516] Path:/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/MacOS/MailMate 30 signal_handler_thread(void*) + 111 (MailMate + 607363) [0x10cb10483] 58-87 0x10ca7c000 -0x10cc13fff com.freron.MailMate 1.12.4 (5623) /Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/MacOS/MailMate 0x10d578000 -0x10d5d9fff OakProtocols.dylib (0) /Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/Frameworks/OakProtocols.dylib 0x10d691000 -0x10d6bafff OakUtilities.dylib (0) /Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/Frameworks/OakUtilities.dylib Responsible: MailMate [50516] in user reports i see some MM logs but not from today, only some days before ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Automatic set from email depending on "to email"
`X-Envelope-to:` shows my special email for the list. On 1 Apr 2019, at 17:30, Robert Brenstein wrote: Use “Show raw message” from the View menu and see what Envelope-to: has. On 1 Apr 2019, at 17:08, Michael Nietzold wrote: if i create a complete new email then this is like you described. but if i hit reply this is not working. On 1 Apr 2019, at 17:06, Robert Brenstein wrote: I have a custom email address for this list and MM sets it as sender correctly for both replies and new mails to the list. On 1 Apr 2019, at 16:37, Michael Nietzold wrote: summary: i have a seperate email adress set for the freron email ist. but because the mails from this list don't are something special (they not not have my email in the `TO:` header). but if i hit reply i always need to remember to set this special email as `from` for this email. when: - i get mailmate list - i hit reply what i see: - it uses my default email what i expect: - it should remember that i used a different eMail - or a setting (dict) like the `MmDefaultBccHeader`, where i can set some adress for some `to` Example: `defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDefaultFromHeader -dict "mailmate@lists.freron.com" "myspecialem...@example.com"` ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Automatic set from email depending on "to email"
if i create a complete new email then this is like you described. but if i hit reply this is not working. On 1 Apr 2019, at 17:06, Robert Brenstein wrote: I have a custom email address for this list and MM sets it as sender correctly for both replies and new mails to the list. On 1 Apr 2019, at 16:37, Michael Nietzold wrote: summary: i have a seperate email adress set for the freron email ist. but because the mails from this list don't are something special (they not not have my email in the `TO:` header). but if i hit reply i always need to remember to set this special email as `from` for this email. when: - i get mailmate list - i hit reply what i see: - it uses my default email what i expect: - it should remember that i used a different eMail - or a setting (dict) like the `MmDefaultBccHeader`, where i can set some adress for some `to` Example: `defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDefaultFromHeader -dict "mailmate@lists.freron.com" "myspecialem...@example.com"` ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Automatic set from email depending on "to email"
summary: i have a seperate email adress set for the freron email ist. but because the mails from this list don't are something special (they not not have my email in the `TO:` header). but if i hit reply i always need to remember to set this special email as `from` for this email. when: - i get mailmate list - i hit reply what i see: - it uses my default email what i expect: - it should remember that i used a different eMail - or a setting (dict) like the `MmDefaultBccHeader`, where i can set some adress for some `to` Example: `defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDefaultFromHeader -dict "mailmate@lists.freron.com" "myspecialem...@example.com"`___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] automatically add cc and/or bcc addresses
defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDefaultBccHeader -dict "from...@me.com" "bccspec...@example.com" "from@me.com" "bcc.speci...@example.com" defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDefaultBccHeader -string m...@example.com in the dictionary and the string there can be also multiple emails? like: `-dict "from...@me.com" "bccspec...@example.com,bccspeci...@example.com,bccspec...@example.com"` On 1 Apr 2019, at 15:15, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 30 Mar 2019, at 19:44, David Green wrote: The following can be used to add a BCC (blind carbon copy) header by default to all outgoing messages: `defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDefaultBccHeader -string m...@example.com` Using the special value "<.sender.>" tells MailMate to use the sending address of the related account. For the record, using [a dictionary](https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/2098-auto-bcc-by-source-ie-by-imap-account#ticket-2098-2) for the same preference can be used to control this with a bit more flexibility. -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] "Send Later" and quitting MM
On 27 Mar 2019, at 15:33, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 26 Mar 2019, at 16:22, Michael Nietzold wrote: thx - there are so many new hidden preferences :) i send a PR#14 to be up to date in docs Thanks! I've merged it. (It won't be on the homepage before it's part of the public release.) maybe it is better to mark the hidden preferences with a "since version/build number and Beta/Release" notation, then it can be anytime published continuous. -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] [BUG] Deleting Found Messages not removed from Submailbox
Just one more note: - i was able to delete it when i select the wrong messages and hit delete - then they turned red and i need to wait some longer time - then they are deleted from the "Deleted Messages" and from this list - i was a little confused about the long waiting time before they get real deleted On 27 Mar 2019, at 15:32, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 26 Mar 2019, at 15:49, Michael Nietzold wrote: Then tell me the steps needed to reproduce this where you also tell me the names of the mailboxes involved. ok - i send a Feedback with updated bug description I'll get back to you when I've had time to try and reproduce it. -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Preview Pane should show last new item
thx a lot yes thats a better naming On 27 Mar 2019, at 15:31, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > On 26 Mar 2019, at 15:20, Michael Nietzold wrote: > >> 3) maybe it would enough to have an option: >> >> Messages Preview: >> ( ) all selected >> (*) only current selected mail > > As in “most recently selected mail”. > >> then it should show only the mail where the current "cursor" is > > That's a reasonable solution. I'll see what I can do. > > -- > Benny > https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Printed eMail - Header Part very big font size
i observe it a little more and give reply i don't print emails often, but when i print then sometimes the headers are big maybe it comes also with CMD+'+' or CMD+'-' (i miss there a CMD+'0' for reset) On 27 Mar 2019, at 14:46, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 20 Mar 2019, at 14:09, Michael Nietzold wrote: where: - i select or open a message - i print the message what i see: - very big font in the header on the preview and printed sheet what i expect: - adjust the header - menu item to size the font Do you have this problem for all emails? I suspect it might be specific HTML emails for which styling of the message itself “bleeds” into the headers. (It's on my todo to refactor how printing works. Both to handle this issue and equivalent issues when printing multiple emails.) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Move beetween eMails: Folder should also move subfolders
Summary: - Move beetween eMails: Folder should also move subfolders where: - i have 2 eMail Accounts - i have a IMAP Mailbox with many subfolders on many levels - i drag the parent node of this subfolders to the second eMail Account what i see: - eMails in the parent node are moved to the new eMail - sometimes the parent node looses the icon or some text from the title - the subfolders still on eMail1 - in eMail2 i miss the subfolders - i have to manually select each folder to move to eMail2 what i expected: - all subfolders of the parent IMAP mailbox should be moved to the eMail 2 - the order and the levels should be the same as in eMail 1 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] "Send Later" and quitting MM
thx - there are so many new hidden preferences :) i send a PR#14 to be up to date in docs On 26 Mar 2019, at 16:08, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 11 Mar 2019, at 3:06, Dave C wrote: When I queue a message to be sent later, if I quit before that time I am reminded by MM that a message has not been sent and I have to respond that I want to quit anyway. Could this request be added to the next revision: that if the message is queued that I not be reminded of this? I have added that this should work in the next update: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmSendLaterWarningEnabled -bool NO If you keep the warning enabled then it can be made conditional like this: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmSendLaterWarningLimitEnabled -bool YES The default is 1 hour (60 minutes), but this can also be changed: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmSendLaterWarningLimitMinutes -integer 720 The above would change it to 12 hours. The warning has also been changed a bit to reflect how long it'll be before the next message is to be sent:  With the exception of a GUI to control these settings I hope the above will satisfy everyone in this thread. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] [BUG] Deleting Found Messages not removed from Submailbox
On 26 Mar 2019, at 13:59, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 6 Mar 2019, at 22:10, Michael Nietzold wrote: [...] Based on your description, it definitely sounds like a bug. Steps without success - and synchronize on the Smart Mailbox don't recalculate the Subfolder (what i expect in this case) - take Mailbox offline and then online - restart MailMate Are you sure that relaunching MailMate did not fix this? Smart mailboxes are not saved to disk, that is, they are computed on startup and I would therefore expect relaunching to behave similar to your workaround below: yes - tried many times to restart. Workaround with success: - i need to edit the Settings of the Smartmailbox (for example to "from -> adress") and then change it back to my settings If this really is the only way to make it “update” correctly then I would expect another relaunch to put it back into the bad state. It's very interesting if this is not the case and also important with regard to reproducing/fixing the issue. yes this is the only way i found how to remove these messages. can you replay the issue. it is only if i have submailboxes on value and if i am in this "generated" submailbox and then i search note: - the message is only visible in the generated subfolder - the message is removed it i click the parent SmartMailbox Also tested: - wenn i search inside the rootnode (not in a subfolder) of the same Smart Mailbox then the messages are removed from the list In order to debug this issue I would like you to do the following. Send me the following file using “Help ▸ Send Feedback”: /Users//Library/Application Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist Then tell me the steps needed to reproduce this where you also tell me the names of the mailboxes involved. ok - i send a Feedback with updated bug description Also, make sure you try with the latest test release to make sure this is not related to an already fixed issue: Hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane. i installed the newest Version - it is still the same behavior. Thanks for your patience! -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Preview Pane should show last new item
1) funny - i was not aware that there are multiple messages also in the preview pane. i never need this but i think there is a use case for it (print multiple messages). then it makes sense that is in the date order and the newest massage is visible. 2) but i like more the behavior of Apple Mail: only the last selected mail should be in preview pane. in apple i can select a bunch of emails and while selecting i can easy fast read the last selected email if is there something important (for example in spam folder). and then hit delete. in mailmate i need to select each mail and later need to select all messages. 3) maybe it would enough to have an option: Messages Preview: ( ) all selected (*) only current selected mail then it should show only the mail where the current "cursor" is On 26 Mar 2019, at 13:50, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 6 Mar 2019, at 17:41, Michael Nietzold wrote: When: - i select in 3Pane view some messages what i see: - when i select vom up to down then always the same first (by Date) message is in preview - the same message is always reloaded on each new selected - if i revert the order by Date then it is reverted: i always see the first message by Date what i expect: - always the new selected message should be in preview - when i select from up to down then the last message - when i select from down to up then the first message Just to be sure, this is about selecting multiple messages in the message list? First of all, current behavior is kind of random (but most often related to date). The whole “previewing multiple messages” feature is a bit of a hack and it'll stay that way until I hopefully get around to replace it with a solution based on multiple HTML views instead of putting everything into one view (which doesn't really work with HTML). In any case, I think most users would expect the order to be the same as the order in the message list -- disregarding the selection order... It could possibly be an optional feature, but keep in mind that this is the first time anyone has requested this behavior. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Printed eMail - Header Part very big font size
where: - i select or open a message - i print the message what i see: - very big font in the header on the preview and printed sheet what i expect: - adjust the header - menu item to size the font ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] [BUG] Deleting Found Messages not removed from Submailbox
ok - but this is here not the case - otherwise it would not a difference with a search (i use the searchbox on the uppper right corner) On 7 Mar 2019, at 19:23, Robert Brenstein wrote: David meant that your selection of mailboxes might include deleted mails, that is trash mailbox (directly or indirectly), implying that you should double check it. On 7 Mar 2019, at 17:22, Michael Nietzold wrote: Just Note: i don't have this settings on my Smart Mailbox available If the Smart Mailbox is set to include messages from the “Deleted Messages” folder then it’s doing exactly what I would expect. David ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] [BUG] Deleting Found Messages not removed from Submailbox
Just Note: i don't have this settings on my Smart Mailbox available If the Smart Mailbox is set to include messages from the “Deleted Messages” folder then it’s doing exactly what I would expect. David ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] [BUG] Deleting Found Messages not removed from Submailbox
When I delete a message in the subfolder without a search then it goes away. When I delete a message in the subfolder with a search then it still stays visible Different behavior I don't changed settings between do-search and no-search Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 06.03.2019 um 23:43 schrieb David Ledger : > >> On 6 Mar 2019, at 21:10, Michael Nietzold wrote: >> >> Summary: >> - when deleting Messages in a Search Result in a subfolder the Messages are >> not removed from subfolder >> >> where: >> - 3 Pane view >> - i have Smart Mailboxes with subfolders for "to -> adress" >> - i click on the Subfolder >> - i type a search in the search box >> - i select one or more messages >> - i hit delete >> - i don't see the messages in the list >> - i hit esc to remove the search keywords (or click on the '-') >> - i see all messages >> >> what i see: >> - the deleted Messages still visible in the Subfolder >> - Column "Source Mailbox" of the deleted Messages is changed to "Deleted >> Messages" >> - Column "Source Mailbox" of remaing message still in the INBOX >> >> what i exptected: >> - deleted Messages are Removed from the subfolder >> >> >> >> Steps without success >> - and synchronize on the Smart Mailbox don't recalculate the Subfolder (what >> i expect in this case) >> - take Mailbox offline and then online >> - restart MailMate >> >> Workaround with success: >> - i need to edit the Settings of the Smartmailbox (for example to "from -> >> adress") and then change it back to my settings >> - now the messages are gone from >> >> Also tested: >> - wenn i search inside the rootnode (not in a subfolder) of the same Smart >> Mailbox then the messages are removed from the list >> >> >> Environment: >> MailMate Version 1.12.4 (5594) >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > > If the Smart Mailbox is set to include messages from the “Deleted Messages” > folder then it’s doing exactly what I would expect. > > David > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] [BUG] Deleting Found Messages not removed from Submailbox
Summary: - when deleting Messages in a Search Result in a subfolder the Messages are not removed from subfolder where: - 3 Pane view - i have Smart Mailboxes with subfolders for "to -> adress" - i click on the Subfolder - i type a search in the search box - i select one or more messages - i hit delete - i don't see the messages in the list - i hit esc to remove the search keywords (or click on the '-') - i see all messages what i see: - the deleted Messages still visible in the Subfolder - Column "Source Mailbox" of the deleted Messages is changed to "Deleted Messages" - Column "Source Mailbox" of remaing message still in the INBOX what i exptected: - deleted Messages are Removed from the subfolder Steps without success - and synchronize on the Smart Mailbox don't recalculate the Subfolder (what i expect in this case) - take Mailbox offline and then online - restart MailMate Workaround with success: - i need to edit the Settings of the Smartmailbox (for example to "from -> adress") and then change it back to my settings - now the messages are gone from Also tested: - wenn i search inside the rootnode (not in a subfolder) of the same Smart Mailbox then the messages are removed from the list Environment: MailMate Version 1.12.4 (5594) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Preview Pane should show last new item
When: - i select in 3Pane view some messages what i see: - when i select vom up to down then always the same first (by Date) message is in preview - the same message is always reloaded on each new selected - if i revert the order by Date then it is reverted: i always see the first message by Date what i expect: - always the new selected message should be in preview - when i select from up to down then the last message - when i select from down to up then the first message ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Feature Request: add a secont Counter to folder "(2/200)"
Most configurable like on other places in MailMate:
an custom text string where I can fill the variables
Von meinem iDingens gesendet...
> Am 02.03.2019 um 16:31 schrieb Robert Brenstein
> :
>
> On 22 Feb 2019, at 21:35, Michael Nietzold wrote:
>
> where:
> - mailbox folders on left side in treeview
>
> what i see:
> - i see one counter with unread messages
>
> what i expect:
> - i like to have a "{unread} / {all}" counter like " 2 / 200 "
>
>
> Implementation
>
> i can setup in the "display counter" context menu:
> - i can select a second counter
> or
> - i have a checkbox "[x] add an All counter"
>
> I’d like to have such a double counter on some of my mailboxes. However, I
> would suggest to simply add a few more choices to the Displayed Count
> selector menu. We now have:
>
> - inherit
> - no count
> - all
> - unread
> - flagged
> - unreplied
> - recent
>
> Recent was deemed useless lately, so it can be dropped and the following
> added:
>
> - unread/all
> - flagged/all
> - flagged/unread
>
> I think these are the only practical combinations, probably the first one
> mostly used.
>
> Is there a ticket with this suggestion?
>
> Robert
>
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