Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-07 Thread Max Rydahl Andersen
Yes. It’s a token and your Mail provider gives you ability to review and revoke tokens. Exactly the same goes for Mailmate. /max On 7 Sep 2020, 02:22 +0200, Charlie Garrison , wrote: > On 6 Sep 2020, at 21:33, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: > > When using Gmail and other oauth based services they

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-06 Thread Charlie Garrison
On 7 Sep 2020, at 10:28, Antonio Leding wrote: As far as Readdle being able to access someone’s mailbox — this fear is somewhat unfounded. As soon any user configures their email account in an email client, the app maker now has access to user credentials and could, if they desire, access

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-06 Thread Antonio Leding
“Are you able to revoke the token they have stored on their servers?” Yes - this is stated explicitly in their documentation. As far as Readdle being able to access someone’s mailbox — this fear is somewhat unfounded. As soon any user configures their email account in an email client, the

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-06 Thread Charlie Garrison
On 6 Sep 2020, at 21:33, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: When using Gmail and other oauth based services they don’t get the password just a token for that specific account thus I find this very hard to believe.  They store "credentials" on their servers; whether that string is a password or a

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-06 Thread Max Rydahl Andersen
When using Gmail and other oauth based services they don’t get the password just a token for that specific account thus I find this very hard to believe. /max On 6 Sep 2020, 04:46 +0200, Charlie Garrison , wrote: > On 6 Sep 2020, at 3:20, Antonio Leding wrote: > > If you have a different

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-05 Thread TJ Luoma
On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 10:46 PM Charlie Garrison < charlie-li...@garrison.com.au> wrote: > Unless they have changed, Spark keeps creds on their servers and not just in IMAP client. Reading > between the lines of their docs; their servers access your mailboxes directly (not just via iOS > app),

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-05 Thread Charlie Garrison
On 6 Sep 2020, at 3:20, Antonio Leding wrote: If you have a different interpretation or know where I missed it, please share… :=) Yes, I have a different interpretation, based on my experience using Spark a few years ago. Their docs don't clarify whether anything has changed; I suspect it

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-05 Thread Antonio Leding
Personally, doesn’t bother me but it’s not my list - I defer to the owner Benny but presuming he is a stickler for these things, anyone who wishes to continue this elsewhere, feel free to PM me at t...@leding.net.. On 5 Sep 2020, at 10:43, Sam Hathaway wrote: Folks — This thread is now OT

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-05 Thread Sam Hathaway
Folks — This thread is now OT even from its original OT topic, and we’ve already discussed the privacy situation with server-assisted email clients to death within living memory. Maybe now would be a good time to take this off list? -sam On 5 Sep 2020, at 13:20, Antonio Leding wrote:

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-05 Thread Antonio Leding
Apologies if I missed this — and I’m not advocating using Spark (far from it) — but nowhere in any of Readdle’s (maker of Spark) policies nor their blog about privacy did I see where they actually store credentials on their servers. They do say “Spark needs access to usernames & passwords”

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-05 Thread Charlie Garrison
On 6 Sep 2020, at 0:13, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: If I understand this correctly, Spark's architecture requires them to have access to your email passwords. To me, that's a complete non-starter; your email password is the most important one you have, since it can be used to reset all of your

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-05 Thread Charlie Garrison
On 5 Sep 2020, at 22:38, Bryce Wray wrote: Just so you know, the folks behind Edison Mail (which, admittedly, is a nice-to-use app) have had their shares of privacy issues, too: I didn't know, and I'll have to read more about it. I did confirm they were not saving creds, but I didn't check

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-05 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On 5 Sep 2020, at 8:38, Bryce Wray wrote: On 5 Sep 2020, at 5:28, Charlie Garrison wrote: Fair warning to all who are looking at new mail programs - read __very carefully__ the privacy policy for Spark. Unless they have changed, using their program means giving __their servers__ access to

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-05 Thread Bryce Wray
On 5 Sep 2020, at 5:28, Charlie Garrison wrote: Fair warning to all who are looking at new mail programs - read __very carefully__ the privacy policy for Spark. Unless they have changed, using their program means giving __their servers__ access to all your email. If you don't mind handing

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-05 Thread Charlie Garrison
On 5 Sep 2020, at 0:36, Robert Goldman wrote: That sounds right from what I see here: https://sparkmailapp.com/blog/privacy-explained Yep, that's the one. They have certainly put some marketing spin in there: Spark needs to check and send emails from your email account. Otherwise, you

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-05 Thread Charlie Garrison
On 5 Sep 2020, at 0:22, Robert Goldman wrote: On 4 Sep 2020, at 6:28, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: In the end I've settled with Spark which has decent smart folders and does not choke on the big inbox. The critical question for me with an iOS client for compatibility is whether or not it

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-04 Thread Max Rydahl Andersen
Have you attempted to contact the Preside developer? I've found that he's incredibly helpful and replies quickly. yes and he is helpful and i bought preside to just support him - but he said the only thing I could was to just keep preside open...but iOS closes it automatically after 10

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-04 Thread Michael Nietzold
Is there any email client where I have smart folder where I can set the „to“ value Für incoming emails (which I use it in MailMate often) Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 04.09.2020 um 16:37 schrieb aisrael : > > I use Preside, I have around 300 000 emails, split into multiple folders, >

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-04 Thread aisrael
I use Preside, I have around 300 000 emails, split into multiple folders, and it works fine. I found it the closest thing to Mailmate (although I find it much less ergonomic on the iPad). I also used Altamail, but for some unknown reasons (I suspect due to the fact that I use an Exchange

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-04 Thread Robert Goldman
On 4 Sep 2020, at 9:25, Edward Thome wrote: On 4 Sep 2020, at 9:22, Robert Goldman wrote: On 4 Sep 2020, at 6:28, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: In the end I've settled with Spark which has decent smart folders and does not choke on the big inbox. The critical question for me with an iOS

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-04 Thread Edward Thome
On 4 Sep 2020, at 9:22, Robert Goldman wrote: On 4 Sep 2020, at 6:28, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: In the end I've settled with Spark which has decent smart folders and does not choke on the big inbox. The critical question for me with an iOS client for compatibility is whether or not it

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-04 Thread Robert Goldman
Do you know if this is an issue with individual IMAP *folders* or IMAP *accounts* with large numbers of messages? I'm not sure how to interpret "inbox" in “One more thing that can help a lot is to keep your Inboxes clean. The app can check an Inbox with 50 emails a LOT faster than it can

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-04 Thread Robert Goldman
On 4 Sep 2020, at 6:28, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: In the end I've settled with Spark which has decent smart folders and does not choke on the big inbox. The critical question for me with an iOS client for compatibility is whether or not it supports IMAP tags. Does Spark do this? If it

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-04 Thread Bryce Wray
On 4 Sep 2020, at 8:05, m...@rhp.tw wrote: Have you attempted to contact the Preside developer? I've found that he's incredibly helpful and replies quickly. On Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 06:28 AM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: Preside is very powerful but totally fails on large inboxes (I have

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-04 Thread MlMt
Have you attempted to contact the Preside developer? I've found that he's incredibly helpful and replies quickly. On Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 06:28 AM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: Preside is very powerful but totally fails on large inboxes (I have 1.000.000+ messages). I gave it 2 weeks to try and

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-04 Thread Max Rydahl Andersen
Preside is very powerful but totally fails on large inboxes (I have 1.000.000+ messages). I gave it 2 weeks to try and stop fetching new messages but never completed. It never managed to show new messages consistently because of this. In the end I've settled with Spark which has decent smart

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-03 Thread Antonio Leding
LOL - the one time I opt to not first search the mailer and instead just fire off an email… Thanks much Guillame On 3 Sep 2020, at 19:27, Guillaume Barrette wrote: There was a discussion on this subject not too long ago... You can read it here:

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-03 Thread Guillaume Barrette
There was a discussion on this subject not too long ago... You can read it here: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg12455.html Also, Bryce did an article on this subject with some inputs from MailMate's community member from the thread above:

Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-03 Thread Robert Goldman
On 3 Sep 2020, at 21:04, Antonio Leding wrote: Hello all, I know this is a bit off-topic but due to the plethora of knowledge and talent in this user community, I think this is a great place to ask the following… First off, I predict Mailmate users who happen to also use iOS-powered

[MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-03 Thread Antonio Leding
Hello all, I know this is a bit off-topic but due to the plethora of knowledge and talent in this user community, I think this is a great place to ask the following… First off, I predict Mailmate users who happen to also use iOS-powered mobile devices would want to avoid using Apple’s iOS