Re: [MlMt] Transferring mailmate config
On 21 Mar 2018, at 22:37, lists.freron@nietzold.com wrote: `defaults read com.freron.MailMate` just read the defaults gives me a very big list of settings :( how i can find out the hidden settings i have done? There's no easy way to do that I'm afraid. Most of the values are changes you have done in the Preferences of MailMate, but there are also values set by other parts of MailMate, for example, when telling MailMate to suppress a warning panel. And of course, some values are hidden preferences of which a subset are described [here](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences). Here's one way of getting a list of variables names which might help you identify what you have changed: defaults read com.freron.MailMate | grep "^Mm" (Note that preferences you have never changed are not going to be in that list.) I hope that helps a bit. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Transferring mailmate config
Yikes! Be careful with `defaults read` if using High Sierra. https://scriptingosx.com/2018/02/defaults-the-plist-killer/ **Topher Ayrhart** [topherayrhart.com](http://www.topherayrhart.com) On 21 Mar 2018, at 16:37, lists.freron@nietzold.com wrote: `defaults read com.freron.MailMate` just read the defaults gives me a very big list of settings :( how i can find out the hidden settings i have done? On 6 Nov 2017, at 11:30, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 5 Nov 2017, at 22:13, Robert Kroeger wrote: Is it sufficient (or dangerous) to copy from `~/Library/Application Support/MailMate` (while Mailmate is not running I presume): ``` Identities.plist Mailboxes.plist Sources.plist Submission.plist Tags.plist ``` This should work as long as you have not already configured MailMate on the new machine (with 1 or more accounts). If you have then start by deleting the entire folder. Or do I need to copy some other files? Or are some of these better not copied? It should be fine to copy all `*.plist` files in the top-level folder like the files above. Some other settings are saved in the so-called `defaults` system (e.g., most of the settings in the Preferences panes). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Transferring mailmate config
`defaults read com.freron.MailMate` just read the defaults gives me a very big list of settings :( how i can find out the hidden settings i have done? On 6 Nov 2017, at 11:30, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 5 Nov 2017, at 22:13, Robert Kroeger wrote: Is it sufficient (or dangerous) to copy from `~/Library/Application Support/MailMate` (while Mailmate is not running I presume): ``` Identities.plist Mailboxes.plist Sources.plist Submission.plist Tags.plist ``` This should work as long as you have not already configured MailMate on the new machine (with 1 or more accounts). If you have then start by deleting the entire folder. Or do I need to copy some other files? Or are some of these better not copied? It should be fine to copy all `*.plist` files in the top-level folder like the files above. Some other settings are saved in the so-called `defaults` system (e.g., most of the settings in the Preferences panes). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Transferring mailmate config
the supposed export should also export (or sync) the `defaults write` settings… On 6 Nov 2017, at 11:30, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 5 Nov 2017, at 22:13, Robert Kroeger wrote: Is it sufficient (or dangerous) to copy from `~/Library/Application Support/MailMate` (while Mailmate is not running I presume): ``` Identities.plist Mailboxes.plist Sources.plist Submission.plist Tags.plist ``` This should work as long as you have not already configured MailMate on the new machine (with 1 or more accounts). If you have then start by deleting the entire folder. Or do I need to copy some other files? Or are some of these better not copied? It should be fine to copy all `*.plist` files in the top-level folder like the files above. Some other settings are saved in the so-called `defaults` system (e.g., most of the settings in the Preferences panes). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Transferring mailmate config
On 10 Nov 2017, at 15:57, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 9 Nov 2017, at 15:48, Robert Brenstein wrote: I regularly run into issue that spam handling on each computer does not agree with each other and mails are showing up in wrong places. MailMate cannot solve this. If you have a machine which is always on then you can use that as a drone for SpamSieve as described [here](https://c-command.com/spamsieve/help/setting-up-a-mailmate-d). Spam detection is generally best done on the server, but I know this is not always an option. -- Benny I have never seen that mentioned before. Sounds like a great idea. Robert___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Transferring mailmate config
On 9 Nov 2017, at 15:48, Robert Brenstein wrote: I regularly run into issue that spam handling on each computer does not agree with each other and mails are showing up in wrong places. MailMate cannot solve this. If you have a machine which is always on then you can use that as a drone for SpamSieve as described [here](https://c-command.com/spamsieve/help/setting-up-a-mailmate-d). Spam detection is generally best done on the server, but I know this is not always an option. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Transferring mailmate config
On 7 Nov 2017, at 23:39, Bill Cole wrote: I agree with this. I do think it would be a nice feature to at least synchronize mailboxes, signatures, and tags. It's just one of those features I keep on postponing. Synchronizing account settings would be tricky although I haven't thought about it in detail. I miss the old "MobileMe" prefs sync. It *mostly* worked... In theory, an app can use the NSUbiquitousKeyValueStore class to sync prefs between multiple devices, but it has an issue. From the Apple docs: "To use this class, you must distribute your app through the App Store or Mac App Store" One thing that MIGHT work for the settings that are in the 'defaults' subsystem (I have not tried it, because I value my email...) is to use its "export" and "import" subcommands to dump the settings to a file that can be loaded on another machine. That has all sorts of problematic edge cases, such as the fact that in my case the 2 machines I would be keeping in sync are a 27" iMac and a 13" Macbook. The different screen sizes mean that I don't want the same window sizes or default layouts or columns or even fonts on both machines. So if a dump/load approach was used, there would need to be some way to protect machine-specific settings. Synchronizing MM settings and config can be done through some cloud service or through some imap service (as discussed a while ago). What I am missing yet is syncing the spamsieve settings and data. I regularly run into issue that spam handling on each computer does not agree with each other and mails are showing up in wrong places. Robert___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Transferring mailmate config
On 7 Nov 2017, at 8:06 (-0500), Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 7 Nov 2017, at 8:18, Robert M. Münch wrote: On 6 Nov 2017, at 21:46, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote: Seeing that this question arise again: Benny, wouldn't be possible to have a menu-item / preference-button for exporting everything that make sense (like a backup-capsule :-) in order to start with MailMate on a new machine / os / etc.? How about just exporting these files on Dropbox/... and importing them again on startup if they are available? Keeping configs in sync on many machines is really a key-feature these days. I agree with this. I do think it would be a nice feature to at least synchronize mailboxes, signatures, and tags. It's just one of those features I keep on postponing. Synchronizing account settings would be tricky although I haven't thought about it in detail. I miss the old "MobileMe" prefs sync. It *mostly* worked... In theory, an app can use the NSUbiquitousKeyValueStore class to sync prefs between multiple devices, but it has an issue. From the Apple docs: "To use this class, you must distribute your app through the App Store or Mac App Store" One thing that MIGHT work for the settings that are in the 'defaults' subsystem (I have not tried it, because I value my email...) is to use its "export" and "import" subcommands to dump the settings to a file that can be loaded on another machine. That has all sorts of problematic edge cases, such as the fact that in my case the 2 machines I would be keeping in sync are a 27" iMac and a 13" Macbook. The different screen sizes mean that I don't want the same window sizes or default layouts or columns or even fonts on both machines. So if a dump/load approach was used, there would need to be some way to protect machine-specific settings. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Transferring mailmate config
On 7 Nov 2017, at 8:18, Robert M. Münch wrote: On 6 Nov 2017, at 21:46, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote: Seeing that this question arise again: Benny, wouldn't be possible to have a menu-item / preference-button for exporting everything that make sense (like a backup-capsule :-) in order to start with MailMate on a new machine / os / etc.? How about just exporting these files on Dropbox/... and importing them again on startup if they are available? Keeping configs in sync on many machines is really a key-feature these days. I agree with this. I do think it would be a nice feature to at least synchronize mailboxes, signatures, and tags. It's just one of those features I keep on postponing. Synchronizing account settings would be tricky although I haven't thought about it in detail. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Transferring mailmate config
On 7 Nov 2017, at 8:18, Robert M. Münch wrote: On 6 Nov 2017, at 21:46, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote: I've copied this files: - ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/*.plist - ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/ - ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Bundles/ - ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist as Benny sugested me a while ago. Seeing that this question arise again: Benny, wouldn't be possible to have a menu-item / preference-button for exporting everything that make sense (like a backup-capsule :-) in order to start with MailMate on a new machine / os / etc.? How about just exporting these files on Dropbox/... and importing them again on startup if they are available? That's exactly what I did, yes. A button / menu-item in MailMate itself would still have 3 advantages: 1. Nobody would had to remember which plist-files etc. exactly are relevant. 2. Nobody would have to "*dig*" deep in ~Library to find the files. 3. Benny could alter anytime the list of the relevant files whit out having to send a notice to all. I use a couple of apps (TextExpander, Hazel, KeyboardMaestro) that have a similar approach: with a single click I can export text-snippets / rules / macros into a folder I can choose. BusyCal / BusyContacts also let you backup the events / contacts to a location you can choose. Keeping configs in sync on many machines is really a key-feature these days. Totally agree! Even when MailMate is not supposed to run simultaneously on two (or more) machines with a single set of plist-files & co., as far as I remember.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Transferring mailmate config
On 6 Nov 2017, at 21:46, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote: > I've copied this files: > > - ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/*.plist > - ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/ > - ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Bundles/ > - ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist > > as Benny sugested me a while ago. > > Seeing that this question arise again: Benny, wouldn't be possible to have a > menu-item / preference-button for exporting everything that make sense (like > a backup-capsule :-) in order to start with MailMate on a new machine / os / > etc.? How about just exporting these files on Dropbox/... and importing them again on startup if they are available? Keeping configs in sync on many machines is really a key-feature these days. -- Robert M. Münch, CEO M: +41 79 65 11 49 6 Saphirion AG smarter | better | faster http://www.saphirion.com http://www.nlpp.ch signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Transferring mailmate config
I've copied this files: - ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/*.plist - ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/ - ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Bundles/ - ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist as Benny sugested me a while ago. Seeing that this question arise again: Benny, wouldn't be possible to have a menu-item / preference-button for exporting everything that make sense (like a backup-capsule :-) in order to start with MailMate on a new machine / os / etc.? Regards, Vlad On 5 Nov 2017, at 22:13, Robert Kroeger wrote: Hi, I recently installed a fresh copy of HighSierra on a Mac (probably like a lot of other people) and wanted to easily copy my Mailmate config from my old disk to the new one. I saw some discussions here about syncing Mailmate config but remain unclear on what files I would need to copy to replicate the configuration on a new machine? (In particular, without access to the old machine’s Mailmate, I failed to replicate the exact combination of settings that I had for Mailmate to work in a way that I like with Gmail.) Is it sufficient (or dangerous) to copy from `~/Library/Application Support/MailMate` (while Mailmate is not running I presume): ``` Identities.plist Mailboxes.plist Sources.plist Submission.plist Tags.plist ``` Or do I need to copy some other files? Or are some of these better not copied? Rob. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Transferring mailmate config
On 5 Nov 2017, at 22:13, Robert Kroeger wrote: Is it sufficient (or dangerous) to copy from `~/Library/Application Support/MailMate` (while Mailmate is not running I presume): ``` Identities.plist Mailboxes.plist Sources.plist Submission.plist Tags.plist ``` This should work as long as you have not already configured MailMate on the new machine (with 1 or more accounts). If you have then start by deleting the entire folder. Or do I need to copy some other files? Or are some of these better not copied? It should be fine to copy all `*.plist` files in the top-level folder like the files above. Some other settings are saved in the so-called `defaults` system (e.g., most of the settings in the Preferences panes). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Transferring mailmate config
Hi, I recently installed a fresh copy of HighSierra on a Mac (probably like a lot of other people) and wanted to easily copy my Mailmate config from my old disk to the new one. I saw some discussions here about syncing Mailmate config but remain unclear on what files I would need to copy to replicate the configuration on a new machine? (In particular, without access to the old machine’s Mailmate, I failed to replicate the exact combination of settings that I had for Mailmate to work in a way that I like with Gmail.) Is it sufficient (or dangerous) to copy from `~/Library/Application Support/MailMate` (while Mailmate is not running I presume): ``` Identities.plist Mailboxes.plist Sources.plist Submission.plist Tags.plist ``` Or do I need to copy some other files? Or are some of these better not copied? Rob. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
