Re: [MlMt] Newbie questions

[Marc ARC]

Hello Bob,

Well MM allows you to solve an issue in many different ways . . .

Here with my 5 cts

1.alt_1 define a smart mail box ( its conditions define it’s contents 
), and you delete ( verify) manually the contents


1.alt_2 define a rule on the inbox of the source and define a rule which 
redirects the condition based mails to a different mailbox of you choice


2. Can you elaborate on your question, not clear what you mean

3. I think something got broken, can’t activate or deactivate the 
commands. I created a ticket for Benny ( using Help> Send feedback )


Regards,


Marc



On 11 Apr 2022, at 18:03, Bob Paver wrote:


Greetings.

A few questions from a newbie who’s been using MailMate for a couple 
of months. I am using it in conjunction with SaneBox which has its own 
challenges for me. I’m a 40 year tech veteran, but am not a sharp as 
I was back in the day. Still have some game, however. Not afraid to 
tackle plists and MacOS default settings and good at the command line; 
too good sometimes.


1. I would like to move delete selected inbound messages using the 
contents of the subject, to and cc fields. Where should I define the 
rules for doing so? Probably related: when creating smart mailboxes or 
editing existing mailboxes what is the purpose of the ‘condition’ 
window vs. the rules window?

2. How do I make my viewer windows the same across all windows?
3. Bundle selections via MailMate preferences (Bbedit, Fantastical, 
Mailman, EagleFiler) are not being installed, i.e., I cannot find them 
in the directory with my TestBundle/Example Command. They do not 
appear under the ‘Command’ menu.


I apologize if these questions are answered somewhere in the various 
sources of information. I just can’t find the answers there.


Thanks,

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Re: [MlMt] Newbie questions

[Robert Goldman]

I only know about the first of these.

You could add rules to your inbox to handle the automatic deletion, 
since rules fire when a message first enters a mailbox.


The conditions are rule-like, but specify under what conditions a 
message should be included in the smart mailbox.


Rules proper are more general because they can move messages, delete 
them, etc.


On 11 Apr 2022, at 11:03, Bob Paver wrote:


Greetings.

A few questions from a newbie who’s been using MailMate for a couple 
of months. I am using it in conjunction with SaneBox which has its own 
challenges for me. I’m a 40 year tech veteran, but am not a sharp as 
I was back in the day. Still have some game, however. Not afraid to 
tackle plists and MacOS default settings and good at the command line; 
too good sometimes.


1. I would like to move delete selected inbound messages using the 
contents of the subject, to and cc fields. Where should I define the 
rules for doing so? Probably related: when creating smart mailboxes or 
editing existing mailboxes what is the purpose of the ‘condition’ 
window vs. the rules window?

2. How do I make my viewer windows the same across all windows?
3. Bundle selections via MailMate preferences (Bbedit, Fantastical, 
Mailman, EagleFiler) are not being installed, i.e., I cannot find them 
in the directory with my TestBundle/Example Command. They do not 
appear under the ‘Command’ menu.


I apologize if these questions are answered somewhere in the various 
sources of information. I just can’t find the answers there.


Thanks,

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Re: [MlMt] Newbie questions

[Henry Seiden]

Hi Bob,

I’m in a similar situation to you, but using MailMate for a couple 
months, long enough to learn how Benny, the developer works and this 
site works, which I’m seeing that he reads regularly.


While the User Manual is extensive and in depth, it doesn’t begin to 
cover the nuts and bolts of daily use to any great degree. We’re kind 
of on our own and I’d like to help on some things, so I’ll take the 
quoted part of your item #1.


Respectfully,

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On 11 Apr 2022, at 12:03, Bob Paver wrote:


Greetings.

A few questions from a newbie who’s been using MailMate for a couple 
of months. I am using it in conjunction with SaneBox which has its own 
challenges for me. I’m a 40 year tech veteran, but am not a sharp as 
I was back in the day. Still have some game, however. Not afraid to 
tackle plists and MacOS default settings and good at the command line; 
too good sometimes.


1. …Probably related: when creating smart mailboxes or editing 
existing mailboxes what is the purpose of the ‘condition’ window 
vs. the rules window?
…> In Editing  an existing mailbox, for example the one called, 
“Mailing Lists” which was created for us, the tabs along the top of 
the edit window, Mailboxes, Conditions, Submailboxes  and Rules. You can 
change the operation of that root mailbox and the messages it contains. 
In this case the root is selecting “ALL MESSAGES.”


Likewise you can edit the sub mailboxes contained in the root, 
similarly. To your question about the use of Conditions…  In this 
case, this root folder is dedicated to selecting all messages where they 
are marked by the sender as a list (the list-ID>identifier in the header 
is “existing”). So the server says the message is from a “list”.


You can also  ‘ripple down’ the settings in any message box/folder 
to its sub folders, by merely changing the root folder’s settings. In 
this particular case we create subfolders to hold all specific messages 
and the root shows all of them lumped together.


Does that answer your question?

Thanks,

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[MlMt] Newbie questions

[Bob Paver]

Greetings.

A few questions from a newbie who’s been using MailMate for a couple 
of months. I am using it in conjunction with SaneBox which has its own 
challenges for me. I’m a 40 year tech veteran, but am not a sharp as I 
was back in the day. Still have some game, however. Not afraid to tackle 
plists and MacOS default settings and good at the command line; too good 
sometimes.


1. I would like to move delete selected inbound messages using the 
contents of the subject, to and cc fields. Where should I define the 
rules for doing so? Probably related: when creating smart mailboxes or 
editing existing mailboxes what is the purpose of the ‘condition’ 
window vs. the rules window?

2. How do I make my viewer windows the same across all windows?
3. Bundle selections via MailMate preferences (Bbedit, Fantastical, 
Mailman, EagleFiler) are not being installed, i.e., I cannot find them 
in the directory with my TestBundle/Example Command. They do not appear 
under the ‘Command’ menu.


I apologize if these questions are answered somewhere in the various 
sources of information. I just can’t find the answers there.


Thanks,

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Re: [MlMt] Newbie Question - Can you TAG an outgoing e-mail ....

[Bill Cole]

On 10 May 2020, at 11:29, Greg Henderson wrote:



Hi

Enjoying ( well - sort of ) learning the power of the program ….   
Question —can I TAG an outgoing e-mail so I can track the ‘back & 
forth’ thread of a specific problem in a smart folder … rather 
than TAG the reply ??


No. Tags are implemented via IMAP flags, which are not part of a message 
proper. There's no standard for transmitting them inside a message sent 
via SMTP.


I have tried 2 examples - but neither show up AFTER the e-mail is 
sent … am I doing something wrong ?   I can tag e-mails after they 
are sent and they show up in the proper smart folder … I just 
thought this would be an easier way to handle ….


I did disclose I was a newbie …additional question - why does Mail 
& MailMate take so long to show the sent mail in my sent folder ??  
Approx 3-5 minutes before it shows back in their - often I like to 
take that sent and further add something to additional people. Is 
there an ISP setting or ??


This sounds like a problem with your mail server. MailMate does not move 
a message from Drafts into Sent until it has been successfully sent. 
It's not normal for that to take minutes, but it's also not unheard of 
for mail servers to impose artificial slow-downs to combat abuse and 
file to exempt trusted senders. Or to simply be massively overloaded and 
take minutes to process submitted mail.


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[MlMt] Newbie Question - Can you TAG an outgoing e-mail ....

[Greg Henderson]

> 
> Hi
> 
> Enjoying ( well - sort of ) learning the power of the program ….   Question 
> —can I TAG an outgoing e-mail so I can track the ‘back & forth’ thread of a 
> specific problem in a smart folder … rather than TAG the reply ??
> 
> I have tried 2 examples - but neither show up AFTER the e-mail is sent … am I 
> doing something wrong ?   I can tag e-mails after they are sent and they show 
> up in the proper smart folder … I just thought this would be an easier way to 
> handle ….
> 
> I did disclose I was a newbie …additional question - why does Mail & MailMate 
> take so long to show the sent mail in my sent folder ??  Approx 3-5 minutes 
> before it shows back in their - often I like to take that sent and further 
> add something to additional people. Is there an ISP setting or ??
> 
> Ps - I tagged this outgoing e-mail as ‘WISHES’ ….:-)
> 
> Regards
> 
> Greg Henderson
> Kingsville, ON Canada
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Charlie Clark]

On 31 Jan 2020, at 1:05, Jo wrote:

ok got it. I would want it broken down a little more, I think, such 
that EVERYTHING doesn’t get lumped into the same archive.. but maybe 
I can filter within that?


Yes, you can setup different IMAP folders (I'm in the folders == folders 
and IMAP accounts == Mailboxes camp) and add rules to the inbox to move 
mails to these different folders. You can then easily add smart folders 
to these folders to help filter the mail. This helps you keep your inbox 
pretty tidy for all relevant mail clients but allows you to structure 
your e-email fairly easily without having to setup fine-grained filters.


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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Glenn Parker]

On 30 Jan 2020, at 18:45, Jo wrote:


On 28 Jan 2020, at 7:53, Glenn Parker wrote:

So what you’re saying is all of these little things that look like 
folders to me are the IMAP mailboxes?


Yes, a folder icon signifies what MailMate calls an “IMAP Mailbox”, 
but what is commonly called a “folder”.


Are you also saying that I can MOVE messages into these mailboxes and 
they (the messages) will no longer appear in any main inbox area? And 
I can do that by using the move command, AND by filtering?


Correct, each message lives in exactly one folder, and messages can be 
moved from one folder to another. When you receive new messages, they 
initially land in the INBOX folder for the account. You can define rules 
for the INBOX that automatically move certain messages to other folders 
immediately on arrival, or you can use the Move to Mailbox… command, 
or you can manually drag and drop messages from one folder to another.


In the Messages Outline window, click and drag anywhere on the line 
showing a message, then drop it on a folder (but not a smart mailbox) in 
the column at the left with the list of folders.


What I’m trying to do is MOSTLY keep anything that’s a receipt for 
stuff I’ve purchased online in one place, and a couple of other 
categories of emails, both stuff I’ve sent and stuff I’ve received 
(to & from certain people). These are the messages I don’t want to 
lose, so I would really prefer if I could sorta tuck them away in the 
corner where I won’t stumble on them accidentally some night and 
delete something by mistake.


Organizing messages with folders is one way to do this. There are other 
ways, but I won’t delve into the various philosophies of email 
maintenance.


And the smart mailboxes don’t really STORE anything? They just sort. 
Anything in a smart mailbox will also show up in whatever inbox 
they’re associated with under sources, right?


Right. A smart mailbox is a persistent search/filter on the messages 
contained by one or more folders. It’s a virtual folder, in that the 
IMAP server knows nothing about it. It only exists on your local 
computer, and it’s just another way to browse and search the messages 
that live in the (real) folders.


So I’m better off not putting the stuff I want to keep, like 
‘thank you for your order’ emails from vendors, in a smart 
mailbox, I should ONLY direct these to an IMAP mailbox down at the 
bottom under sources?


Technically, you don’t directly “put” anything into a smart 
mailbox because a smart mailbox is only showing you the results of a 
search. For a message to appear in a smart mailbox, it must satisfy the 
criteria defined in the Conditions tab.


That’s the theory anyway. The reality is a little bit messier, but 
don’t worry about it for now.


Just make a folder and get used to the way things work. Drag messages 
around manually and see if you like the results. As long as you don’t 
delete anything, you can always put it all back the way it was.


When you’re ready to try creating a rule, come back and ask.

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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Robert Brenstein]

On 31 Jan 2020, at 0:45, Jo wrote:


On 28 Jan 2020, at 7:53, Glenn Parker wrote:

First, a little nomenclature for the new user. What MailMate calls 
the “Account” or “Source” is what I normally call a 
“mailbox”, that is to say the folder hierarchically and messages 
accessed via a particular account on an IMAP server. To me, that 
whole thing is the mailbox. What MailMate calls a “IMAP Mailbox” 
is what I would normally call a “folder”. The core standard for 
IMAP, [RFC 3501](), uses this 
terminology for mailboxes and folders, as does every other IMAP 
client I have used.


OK, bear with me here… (I’ve actually closed my eyes to this whole 
thing for a couple days to see if a clearer head will help) I’m 
looking under Sources. The assorted email accounts that I have are 
listed, with little globe icons. When I expand those, there are little 
folder icons (draft, inbox, junk, sent, trash…if it’s a gmail 
account, drafts becomes [gmail] with its own set up subfolders (folder 
icons - the blue things).


You can then add rules to your INBOX folder that will automatically 
(or manually) move incoming messages to your new Mailbox as they 
arrive. You can add lots of rules for specific email senders, or for 
email from a particular domain, or many other criteria. You can even 
make a rule that recognizes email addresses found in an existing 
Mailbox.


So what you’re saying is all of these little things that look like 
folders to me are the IMAP mailboxes? Are you also saying that I can 
MOVE messages into these mailboxes and they (the messages) will no 
longer appear in any main inbox area? And I can do that by using the 
move command, AND by filtering?


Yes, those globe things under sources are basically mail accounts and 
the folders inside are IMAP mailboxes. As you see from the discussion, 
they are called somewhat differently by different people, often 
following what they are used to from their previous mail clients, hence 
things can get easily confusing. I think of those folders under the 
globes as “physical” mailboxes (trays, folders if you will) for each 
mail account. Each server software has its own default names for them, 
as you noticed. Regardless of the names, there are 5 standard functional 
types as defined by IMAP. If you are not sure which type is a specific 
mailbox, right click on it and scroll down the menu to “mailbox 
type” - if a given mailbox is a standard mailbox, it will have a 
checkmark in front of its type. If there is no checkmark, it is a 
generic (user- or service-created) mailbox.


You can move messages between IMAP mailboxes using menus, icons on top 
of the window, or drag and drop. You can also set up action rules in 
smart mailboxes. Many people however leave all mail that is not spam or 
archive or trash in the inbox. You can create as many smart mailboxes as 
you need to group/filter your mails the way you need to handle them. 
Smart mailboxes are purely virtual and are just filtered or unfiltered 
views into one or more IMAP mailboxes. They can also use other smart 
mailboxes as the reference.


For example, I have a smart mailbox for each of my mailings lists. All 
of them sit inside of a smart mailbox that combines them all together 
into a all-mailing-lists mailbox. For some mailing lists, I have 
additional smart mailbox with suffix “new” which shows me only last 
so many days of unread mails from given list by doing additional 
filtering on the main mailing list mailbox. All the “new” mailboxes 
sit inside “mailing lists new” mailbox that combines all new 
messages together. For a few mailing lists, I have also a smart mailbox 
with suffix “recent” which shows me all mails, read and unread, that 
came within past so many days. For really busy lists (where I do not 
bother to read all), I also have a smart mailbox with suffix “old” 
to show me messages older than defined threshold, so I can trash them.


These are just a few examples of taking advantage of the smart folders. 
The beauty is that you can change, add, remove them as needed and the 
actual messages sit the same all the time and you can still go to combo 
inbox and search it for whatever if you are not sure where the message 
is.


If you read older threads, you will notice references to a zero-inbox. 
It is usually a smart mailbox that refers to the combined inbox 
subtracting mails shown in select smart folders. In other words, what is 
shown in it is the stuff that is not shown elsewhere. You process the 
messages in this mailbox by either putting them into spam, trash, 
archive, or amending one of smart mailboxes to include them. At the end 
of the day, you should (ideally) have that mailbox empty, hence its 
name. In POP world, you achieved the same by moving messages from inbox 
to other mailboxes/folders. My zero-inbox for example, excludes the 
smart mailbox combining all mailing lists, so I never see any mailing 
list posts in my “incoming mail”.

Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Jo]

On 28 Jan 2020, at 8:43, Ken Pope wrote:

I’m a fellow PowerMail-user-since-forever who recently moved to 
MailMate when PM no longer worked w/ my OS upgrade.  Here are the 
steps I take to create that kind of folder: First, in the vertical 
list labeled “Mailboxes” along the left margin of MailMate, I 
scroll down to the label “Sources.” Immediately under 
“Sources” is my email address, which I highlight. Then I click on 
the “gear” at the bottom, and the menu it shows includes “New 
IMAP Mailbox in [my email address]”.


I click that option which (unsurprisingly) creates a new IMAP Mailbox 
under my email address above.  I type in a name for that mailbox.  
Then I can drag any emails from my inbox into that mailbox.  The 
message no longer appears in my inbox—it appears only in that new 
IMAP mailbox.  I’ve created quite a few of those IMAP mailboxes so I 
can keep important messages, find them easily, and not worry about 
accidentally erasing them.



thank you! Hadn’t tried (or noticed) that gear thingy yet. Cool.

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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Jo]

On 28 Jan 2020, at 9:35, Bill Cole wrote:


5. Create a new Smart Mailbox with:
   Mailboxes: from All Messages
   Conditions: From->Address is in [group mailbox created in (1)] 
To->Address


After that, when you want to add a person's mail to that smart 
mailbox, you can either add them to the Contacts group and repeat 
steps 2-4 OR just drag any message that you've sent to that person 
into the group mailbox.


oh, what a great idea - I will have to look into that.

MM supports the concept of each IMAP account having an "Archive" 
mailbox and if you're reading at a message, you can move it to that 
IMAP mailbox with the "Archive" button in the toolbar or the 
Messages->Move To Archive menu command.


ok got it. I would want it broken down a little more, I think, such that 
EVERYTHING doesn’t get lumped into the same archive.. but maybe I can 
filter within that?


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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Jo]

On 28 Jan 2020, at 1:36, Fredrik Jonsson wrote:

Here you find my key bindings: 



I’m sorry! I didn’t read far enough - disregard that last question!

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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Jo]

On 28 Jan 2020, at 1:36, Fredrik Jonsson wrote:

Look in the "Sources" section, in the bottom of the left sidebar. 
There you can create new IMAP folders in your IMAP accounts with the 
"New IMAP Mailbox" command.


But my suggestion is to skip "real" folders and take maximum advantage 
of MailMate and its smart folders.


With MailMate I use smart folders extensively and just archive all 
mails in one “Archive” mailbox instead.


I have set up my own key bindings so “i” will select the inbox, 
“a” will archive mail, “d” will delete them, “f” flag them 
and “r” for making a reply. This takes care of most of my mail 
interaction.


OK, I think archive is maybe what I should be doing with receipts and 
such. What did you use to set up key bindings? I would love to make 
command-L send a message, since my fingers have been trained to do that. 
LOL!!


I’m gonna work on figuring out archiving here…

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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Jo]

On 28 Jan 2020, at 7:53, Glenn Parker wrote:

First, a little nomenclature for the new user. What MailMate calls the 
“Account” or “Source” is what I normally call a “mailbox”, 
that is to say the folder hierarchically and messages accessed via a 
particular account on an IMAP server. To me, that whole thing is the 
mailbox. What MailMate calls a “IMAP Mailbox” is what I would 
normally call a “folder”. The core standard for IMAP, [RFC 
3501](), uses this terminology 
for mailboxes and folders, as does every other IMAP client I have 
used.


OK, bear with me here… (I’ve actually closed my eyes to this whole 
thing for a couple days to see if a clearer head will help) I’m 
looking under Sources. The assorted email accounts that I have are 
listed, with little globe icons. When I expand those, there are little 
folder icons (draft, inbox, junk, sent, trash…if it’s a gmail 
account, drafts becomes [gmail] with its own set up subfolders (folder 
icons - the blue things).


You can then add rules to your INBOX folder that will automatically 
(or manually) move incoming messages to your new Mailbox as they 
arrive. You can add lots of rules for specific email senders, or for 
email from a particular domain, or many other criteria. You can even 
make a rule that recognizes email addresses found in an existing 
Mailbox.


So what you’re saying is all of these little things that look like 
folders to me are the IMAP mailboxes? Are you also saying that I can 
MOVE messages into these mailboxes and they (the messages) will no 
longer appear in any main inbox area? And I can do that by using the 
move command, AND by filtering?


What I’m trying to do is MOSTLY keep anything that’s a receipt for 
stuff I’ve purchased online in one place, and a couple of other 
categories of emails, both stuff I’ve sent and stuff I’ve received 
(to & from certain people). These are the messages I don’t want to 
lose, so I would really prefer if I could sorta tuck them away in the 
corner where I won’t stumble on them accidentally some night and 
delete something by mistake.


And then all the little purple folders are the smart mailboxes - I 
figured that part out, seeing as how it’s what appears when you tell 
it to make a new smart mailbox. ;-)


And the smart mailboxes don’t really STORE anything? They just sort. 
Anything in a smart mailbox will also show up in whatever inbox 
they’re associated with under sources, right? So I’m better off not 
putting the stuff I want to keep, like ‘thank you for your order’ 
emails from vendors, in a smart mailbox, I should ONLY direct these to 
an IMAP mailbox down at the bottom under sources?



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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Jo]

On 28 Jan 2020, at 10:45, Robert Brenstein wrote:

My suggestion is that you embrace the IMAP paradigm rather than 
sticking to POP style. It took me some physical effort to set all up 
but it was well worth it and the effort was mostly only during the 
initial setup. 


I believe you are correct, Robert. It will just take me some time to 
figure this out.



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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Eric Sharakan]

On 28 Jan 2020, at 13:25, Jo wrote:


On 28 Jan 2020, at 5:11, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Create an Inbox rule that moves emails to one specific, pre-existing 
IMAP mailbox. Then setup another "rule" attached to that mailbox with 
no actual rules, but the settings to creates virtual submailboxes 
based on the sender's name. This way, you get the sorting by sender's 
name and the moving of the messages out of your inbox.


Does that make sense?


It almost makes sense. The problem I’m having is wrapping my head 
around IMAP in general, I think. I have been almost exclusively using 
POP for so many years now.


So is a ‘pre-existing IMAP mailbox’ one that is for a specific 
email address?


I would say more accurately it's for a specific email account/provider.  
Like you, I have a half dozen email addresses, with a separate IMAP 
account for each one.  So think of a ‘pre-existing IMAP mailbox’ as 
a folder attached to one of these accounts.  You can use a pre-existing 
one, like 'Archive', which seems to be a common convention, or you can 
create your own.



Is it in the Sources area?


Yes, they are in the Sources area. MM makes special provisions for some, 
most notably "Archive", so they are also visible elsewhere in the 
sidebar.


There are so MANY mailboxes here it’s very confusing. Of course I 
have a half dozen email addresses in play, so it’s my own fault.


I know that pain!

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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Michael Nietzold]

I think it would be better if MM use the more user-friendly terms folder and 
smart-folder

Everytime I have to remember that a folder in MM is a Mailbox 

Should be a gerneral switch: rename all "mailbox" to "folder"



Von meinem iDingens gesendet...

> Am 28.01.2020 um 19:45 schrieb Robert Brenstein 
> :
> 
> 
> On 28 Jan 2020, at 19:25, Jo wrote:
> 
> On 28 Jan 2020, at 5:11, Eric Sharakan wrote:
> 
> Create an Inbox rule that moves emails to one specific, pre-existing IMAP 
> mailbox. Then setup another "rule" attached to that mailbox with no actual 
> rules, but the settings to creates virtual submailboxes based on the sender's 
> name. This way, you get the sorting by sender's name and the moving of the 
> messages out of your inbox.
> 
> Does that make sense?
> 
> It almost makes sense. The problem I’m having is wrapping my head around IMAP 
> in general, I think. I have been almost exclusively using POP for so many 
> years now.
> 
> So is a ‘pre-existing IMAP mailbox’ one that is for a specific email address? 
> Is it in the Sources area? There are so MANY mailboxes here it’s very 
> confusing. Of course I have a half dozen email addresses in play, so it’s my 
> own fault.
> 
> Jo
> 
> I used to use Eudora and POP for ever and ever, so when I switched to 
> MailMate and IMAP, it took some mental effort and head scratching to adjust. 
> My suggestion is that you embrace the IMAP paradigm rather than sticking to 
> POP style. It took me some physical effort to set all up but it was well 
> worth it and the effort was mostly only during the initial setup. In 
> practical terms, I suggest that you learn to use the smart mailboxes that 
> MailMate offers and do not or only minimally use additional real 
> folder/mailboxes in your IMAP account. A lot more power and flexibility to 
> gain over time. Focus more on creating an optimal mail workflow than 
> recreating your previous setup.
> 
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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Robert Brenstein]

On 28 Jan 2020, at 19:25, Jo wrote:


On 28 Jan 2020, at 5:11, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Create an Inbox rule that moves emails to one specific, pre-existing 
IMAP mailbox. Then setup another "rule" attached to that mailbox with 
no actual rules, but the settings to creates virtual submailboxes 
based on the sender's name. This way, you get the sorting by sender's 
name and the moving of the messages out of your inbox.


Does that make sense?


It almost makes sense. The problem I’m having is wrapping my head 
around IMAP in general, I think. I have been almost exclusively using 
POP for so many years now.


So is a ‘pre-existing IMAP mailbox’ one that is for a specific 
email address? Is it in the Sources area? There are so MANY mailboxes 
here it’s very confusing. Of course I have a half dozen email 
addresses in play, so it’s my own fault.


Jo


I used to use Eudora and POP for ever and ever, so when I switched to 
MailMate and IMAP, it took some mental effort and head scratching to 
adjust. My suggestion is that you embrace the IMAP paradigm rather than 
sticking to POP style. It took me some physical effort to set all up but 
it was well worth it and the effort was mostly only during the initial 
setup. In practical terms, I suggest that you learn to use the smart 
mailboxes that MailMate offers and do not or only minimally use 
additional real folder/mailboxes in your IMAP account. A lot more power 
and flexibility to gain over time. Focus more on creating an optimal 
mail workflow than recreating your previous setup.


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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Jo]

On 28 Jan 2020, at 5:11, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Create an Inbox rule that moves emails to one specific, pre-existing 
IMAP mailbox. Then setup another "rule" attached to that mailbox with 
no actual rules, but the settings to creates virtual submailboxes 
based on the sender's name. This way, you get the sorting by sender's 
name and the moving of the messages out of your inbox.


Does that make sense?


It almost makes sense. The problem I’m having is wrapping my head 
around IMAP in general, I think. I have been almost exclusively using 
POP for so many years now.


So is a ‘pre-existing IMAP mailbox’ one that is for a specific email 
address? Is it in the Sources area? There are so MANY mailboxes here 
it’s very confusing. Of course I have a half dozen email addresses in 
play, so it’s my own fault.


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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Ian Petersen]

Glenn,

That’s cute, but frankly it’s overly technical and not very 
user-friendly.


I don’t see how using the correct term is not user friendly. Just 
because you happen to not have heard it before doesn’t make it wrong - 
I see MiB and kib as often as I see MB and kb nowadays. Remember 
Mailmate *is* aimed at the more technical user.



Go ahead and google “MiB” to see what pops up.


That’s what I did. The Wikipedia link was the first thing that popped 
up. Actually, I had to search for ‘Men in black’ to understand your 
reference … ;-)



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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Bill Cole]

On 27 Jan 2020, at 15:16, Jo wrote:


Hi,
Just switched over to MailMate from PowerMail. I’ve been hanging 
onto PM for a very long time, but it seems it’s not gonna work with 
the next OS upgrade, so here I am. There is a lot here that’s very 
similar and some new stuff that I like better, but I’m having 
trouble with sorting my incoming mail. 2 questions:


I was able to sort by who the mail was FROM, by creating groups in my 
address book in PM. Is there a way to do that? Rather than going thru 
and adding each individual to the filters within a smart mailbox?


What I have done in 2 cases is this:

0. Create a group in system address book ("Contacts",) add people to it, 
and make sure MM auto-completes from "Contacts"

(see Preferences->Composer.)

1. Create a new IMAP mailbox named for the group.

2. Start a new message, enter the group name in the "To" field (let it 
match against the group) and hit return to expand the group.


3. Save (don't send) the message. It will be in your "Drafts" mailbox.

4. Move the message to the mailbox created in (1) above.

5. Create a new Smart Mailbox with:
   Mailboxes: from All Messages
   Conditions: From->Address is in [group mailbox created in (1)] 
To->Address


After that, when you want to add a person's mail to that smart mailbox, 
you can either add them to the Contacts group and repeat steps 2-4 OR 
just drag any message that you've sent to that person into the group 
mailbox.



Also, what if I just want to save some emails by physically moving 
them into a folder? I’m guessing that’s something with 
‘archives’ but I can’t seem to figure out how to make this 
happen. What I’d like it not to accidentally delete them when I am 
in the basic ‘inbox’ somewhere. In PM, if I put something in a 
folder, that’s the only place it was. Here it seems to be a 
‘copy.’ OK, I know it’s not a copy, more like an alias, I guess? 
But whatever, I don’t want to see it elsewhere, because I might 
accidentally hit delete. Does that make sense?


As others have said, MM is an IMAP-only mail client. It keeps a complete 
copy of everything in your IMAP account(s) ("Sources" in MM-jargon) but 
it treats that cache of messages as a replica of what is on the IMAP 
server(s). MM supports the concept of each IMAP account having an 
"Archive" mailbox and if you're reading at a message, you can move it to 
that IMAP mailbox with the "Archive" button in the toolbar or the 
Messages->Move To Archive menu command. If those commands are greyed 
out, it is because MM did not see any IMAP mailbox in the current source 
account with a name like "Archive" when it was setting up the source 
account. If you already have an IMAP mailbox you want to use as an 
archive, you can select it and wither use the contextual menu 
(right-click or control-click) "Mailbox Type" selection menu or the 
menubar Mailbox->Mailbox Type selection menu. To create a new IMAP 
mailbox, you'll find that function in the Mailbox menu or the contextual 
menu if you have a source account or existing IMAP mailbox selected in 
the Sources section of the mailbox list.


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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Glenn Parker]

That’s cute, but frankly it’s overly technical and not very 
user-friendly. Go ahead and google “MiB” to see what pops up.


I understand the rationale, but the practical reality is that most 
people will just wonder why “MB” is mis-spelled.


Is there anything in this world that the standards committees cannot 
make worse? :)


On 28 Jan 2020, at 11:41, Ian Petersen wrote:


Glenn,

BTW, another odd bit is the use of “MiB” and “KiB”. In 
English, “MiB” is most likely read as “Men In Black” (the 
movie). “Megabyte” is just “MB” (there’s not even an 
“i” in the word), and “Kilobyte” is just “KB”.



Actually these are the correct ISO standard names for 1024 bytes or 
1024 kibibytes.


See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte

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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Ken Pope]

On 27 Jan 2020, at 15:16, Jo wrote:

Just switched over to MailMate from PowerMail. I’ve been hanging 
onto PM for a very long time, but it seems it’s not gonna work with 
the next OS upgrade, so here I am.




> Also, what if I just want to save some emails by physically moving 
them into a folder? I’m guessing that’s something with 
‘archives’ but I can’t seem to figure out how to make this 
happen. What I’d like it not to accidentally delete them when I am 
in the basic ‘inbox’ somewhere. In PM, if I put something in a 
folder, that’s the only place it was. Here it seems to be a 
‘copy.’ OK, I know it’s not a copy, more like an alias, I guess? 
But whatever, I don’t want to see it elsewhere, because I might 
accidentally hit delete. Does that make sense?


I’m a fellow PowerMail-user-since-forever who recently moved to 
MailMate when PM no longer worked w/ my OS upgrade.  Here are the steps 
I take to create that kind of folder: First, in the vertical list 
labeled “Mailboxes” along the left margin of MailMate, I scroll down 
to the label “Sources.” Immediately under “Sources” is my email 
address, which I highlight. Then I click on the “gear” at the 
bottom, and the menu it shows includes “New IMAP Mailbox in [my email 
address]”.


I click that option which (unsurprisingly) creates a new IMAP Mailbox 
under my email address above.  I type in a name for that mailbox.  Then 
I can drag any emails from my inbox into that mailbox.  The message no 
longer appears in my inbox—it appears only in that new IMAP mailbox.  
I’ve created quite a few of those IMAP mailboxes so I can keep 
important messages, find them easily, and not worry about accidentally 
erasing them.


Hope that helps. Am guessing those who’ve used MM longer will be able 
to tell you simpler, quicker, or better ways to do what you want to do.


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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Ian Petersen]

Glenn,

BTW, another odd bit is the use of “MiB” and “KiB”. In 
English, “MiB” is most likely read as “Men In Black” (the 
movie). “Megabyte” is just “MB” (there’s not even an “i” 
in the word), and “Kilobyte” is just “KB”.



Actually these are the correct ISO standard names for 1024 bytes or 1024 
kibibytes.


See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte

Cheers
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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Glenn Parker]

Jo,

I *think* I understand what you’re trying to accomplish, because it 
sounds like something I wanted when I first started using MailMate 
(spoiler: I asked Benny and he said it wasn’t available).


First, a little nomenclature for the new user.  What MailMate calls the 
“Account” or “Source” is what I normally call a “mailbox”, 
that is to say the folder hierarchically and messages accessed via a 
particular account on an IMAP server. To me, that whole thing is the 
mailbox. What MailMate calls a “IMAP Mailbox” is what I would 
normally call a “folder”. The core standard for IMAP, [RFC 
3501](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3501), uses this terminology for 
mailboxes and folders, as does every other IMAP client I have used.


Now, I understand that internationalization can be a tricky business, so 
I’m prepared to look past some odd bits, but this is an early 
stumbling block in the user experience. It took me a couple of days to 
understand when I first started using MailMate. I was quite wary of 
creating a new “IMAP Mailbox” because I didn’t want to 
accidentally create a whole new account. That left me fumbling around 
looking for how to create “folders” when it was right there in front 
of me.


BTW, another odd bit is the use of “MiB” and “KiB”. In English, 
“MiB” is most likely read as “Men In Black” (the movie). 
“Megabyte” is just “MB” (there’s not even an “i” in the 
word), and “Kilobyte” is just “KB”.


Anyway… you can create a new IMAP Mailbox using the menu command or by 
right-clicking on an existing Mailbox (substitute “folder” for 
“Mailbox” in your head here). The Mailbox can be a child of the 
INBOX, or a sibling, depending on the selected object, e.g., Account, 
INBOX, or another Mailbox.


You can then add rules to your INBOX folder that will automatically (or 
manually) move incoming messages to your new Mailbox as they arrive. You 
can add lots of rules for specific email senders, or for email from a 
particular domain, or many other criteria. You can even make a rule that 
recognizes email addresses found in an existing Mailbox.


What you *cannot* do is create a rule that indirectly references a group 
of email addresses in your system address book. Right now, MailMate 
seems to have fairly limited interaction with the address book. It 
doesn’t have its own internal address book (which is a good thing 
IMHO), but I think the only time the address book is accessed is when 
addressing new messages. This is a filtering option that other mail 
clients (with internal address books) do support, so I understand why 
the question pops up.


There are probably some workarounds involving pre-filtering that could 
be done here, but MailMate is generally powerful (and complicated) 
enough for me.


The cruder workaround is to create a rule with all the relevant email 
addresses, and to then maintain that rule as the list of email addresses 
evolves.


Daydream mode: it might be interesting if we could treat address book 
groups like Mailboxes, so that the email addresses in a group could be 
accessed in a rule.


On 28 Jan 2020, at 3:32, Jo wrote:


On 27 Jan 2020, at 23:47, Charlie Clark wrote:

If you want to move anything you'll need to set up rules. It's a pity 
this isn't as easy to do as setting up smart mailboxes, which is 
based on a search (or maybe it is and I just haven't figured it 
out!), but you can use an existing e-mail to get some help setting up 
the criteria for an action.


I can set up rules, but i can’t seem to create a mailbox/folder. Not 
a new smart mailbox, but just a folder. Where do I do that at?



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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Verdon Vaillancourt]

>> I can set up rules, but i can’t seem to create a mailbox/folder. Not a new 
>> smart mailbox, but just a folder. Where do I do that at?

I’m not at my desktop, but can’t you right-click on the location where you want 
the mailbox in the ‘Sources’ list and choose create mailbox (or something to 
that effect). The trick is you need to be in Sources.

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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Eric Sharakan]

On 27 Jan 2020, at 21:16, Jo wrote:


Hi,
Just switched over to MailMate from PowerMail. I’ve been hanging 
onto PM for a very long time, but it seems it’s not gonna work with 
the next OS upgrade, so here I am. There is a lot here that’s very 
similar and some new stuff that I like better, but I’m having 
trouble with sorting my incoming mail. 2 questions:


I was able to sort by who the mail was FROM, by creating groups in my 
address book in PM. Is there a way to do that? Rather than going thru 
and adding each individual to the filters within a smart mailbox?


I'm not familiar with PM, but MM doesn't have its own address book.  The 
MacOS contacts App has the notion of groups, but I'm not sure that's 
visible to MM.


Also, what if I just want to save some emails by physically moving 
them into a folder? I’m guessing that’s something with 
‘archives’ but I can’t seem to figure out how to make this 
happen.


You can create a rule with an action of "Move to Mailbox", though it 
apparently has to be a pre-existing IMAP mailbox/folder.


What I’d like it not to accidentally delete them when I am in the 
basic ‘inbox’ somewhere. In PM, if I put something in a folder, 
that’s the only place it was. Here it seems to be a ‘copy.’ OK, 
I know it’s not a copy, more like an alias, I guess? But whatever, I 
don’t want to see it elsewhere, because I might accidentally hit 
delete. Does that make sense?


Yes it does now, so my previous suggestion of looking at the options 
under the "Submailboxes" tab won't work for you.  It seems like you want 
the logic of the "Submailboxes" tab that can automatically create a 
sub-mailbox based on the name of the each sender, but to have it create 
real IMAP folders to physically move the mail to, rather than virtual 
submailboxes.  I don't see any way to do that directly, but hw about 
this:


Create an Inbox rule that moves emails to one specific, pre-existing 
IMAP mailbox.  Then setup another "rule" attached to that mailbox with 
no actual rules, but the settings to creates virtual submailboxes based 
on the sender's name.  This way, you get the sorting by sender's name 
and the moving of the messages out of your inbox.


Does that make sense?

-Eric



TIA


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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Eric Sharakan]

On 28 Jan 2020, at 3:32, Jo wrote:


On 27 Jan 2020, at 23:47, Charlie Clark wrote:

If you want to move anything you'll need to set up rules. It's a pity 
this isn't as easy to do as setting up smart mailboxes, which is 
based on a search (or maybe it is and I just haven't figured it 
out!), but you can use an existing e-mail to get some help setting up 
the criteria for an action.


I can set up rules, but i can’t seem to create a mailbox/folder. Not 
a new smart mailbox, but just a folder. Where do I do that at?


I do not see any way to create an ordinary IMAP folder via a rule's 
actions; perhaps Benny will reply with a hack to do that.  Also, not 
sure this will work for you, but there are many options for creating and 
naming "virtual" mailbox folders in the "Submailboxes" tab.


HTH.

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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Jo 2020-01-28 9:32 wrote:

I can set up rules, but i can’t seem to create a mailbox/folder. Not 
a new smart mailbox, but just a folder. Where do I do that at?


MailMate is a pure IMAP client, it does not have anything like "On my 
Mac" folders.


Look in the "Sources" section, in the bottom of the left sidebar. There 
you can create new IMAP folders in your IMAP accounts with the "New IMAP 
Mailbox" command.


But my suggestion is to skip "real" folders and take maximum advantage 
of MailMate and its smart folders.


With MailMate I use smart folders extensively and just archive all mails 
in one “Archive” mailbox instead.


I have set up my own key bindings so “i” will select the inbox, 
“a” will archive mail, “d” will delete them, “f” flag them 
and “r” for making a reply. This takes care of most of my mail 
interaction.


Here you find my key bindings: 



I have smart folders for people/projects/organisations etc. Since smart 
folders are just searches the same e-mail can show up in multiple 
places. No more worrying  if a particular e-mail should go to the 
personal folder or project x folder.


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[Jo]

On 27 Jan 2020, at 23:47, Charlie Clark wrote:

If you want to move anything you'll need to set up rules. It's a pity 
this isn't as easy to do as setting up smart mailboxes, which is based 
on a search (or maybe it is and I just haven't figured it out!), but 
you can use an existing e-mail to get some help setting up the 
criteria for an action.


I can set up rules, but i can’t seem to create a mailbox/folder. Not a 
new smart mailbox, but just a folder. Where do I do that at?



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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Charlie Clark]

On 28 Jan 2020, at 8:26, Jo wrote:


Hi Alexandre,
No, I don’t think this is what I want - this seems to make a bunch 
of folders within the mailbox, one for each sender. While that can be 
useful, that’s not what I’m looking for. I would like to say 
’anything sent from someone in Group A on my contact list goes into 
this mailbox.’


If you want to move anything you'll need to set up rules. It's a pity 
this isn't as easy to do as setting up smart mailboxes, which is based 
on a search (or maybe it is and I just haven't figured it out!), but you 
can use an existing e-mail to get some help setting up the criteria for 
an action.


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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Jo]

Hi Alexandre,
No, I don’t think this is what I want - this seems to make a bunch of 
folders within the mailbox, one for each sender. While that can be 
useful, that’s not what I’m looking for. I would like to say 
’anything sent from someone in Group A on my contact list goes into 
this mailbox.’



Has Powermail... the good old days ! :)

Check the "sub mailbox" feature of the smart mailboxes - I believe 
this is what you are looking for.


Regards

On 27 Jan 2020, at 21:16, Jo wrote:


Hi,
Just switched over to MailMate from PowerMail. I’ve been hanging 
onto PM for a very long time, but it seems it’s not gonna work with 
the next OS upgrade, so here I am. There is a lot here that’s very 
similar and some new stuff that I like better, but I’m having 
trouble with sorting my incoming mail. 2 questions:


I was able to sort by who the mail was FROM, by creating groups in my 
address book in PM. Is there a way to do that? Rather than going thru 
and adding each individual to the filters within a smart mailbox?


Also, what if I just want to save some emails by physically moving 
them into a folder? I’m guessing that’s something with 
‘archives’ but I can’t seem to figure out how to make this 
happen. What I’d like it not to accidentally delete them when I am 
in the basic ‘inbox’ somewhere. In PM, if I put something in a 
folder, that’s the only place it was. Here it seems to be a 
‘copy.’ OK, I know it’s not a copy, more like an alias, I 
guess? But whatever, I don’t want to see it elsewhere, because I 
might accidentally hit delete. Does that make sense?


TIA


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Re: [MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Alexandre Takacs]

Has Powermail... the good old days ! :)

Check the "sub mailbox" feature of the smart mailboxes - I believe this 
is what you are looking for.


Regards

On 27 Jan 2020, at 21:16, Jo wrote:


Hi,
Just switched over to MailMate from PowerMail. I’ve been hanging 
onto PM for a very long time, but it seems it’s not gonna work with 
the next OS upgrade, so here I am. There is a lot here that’s very 
similar and some new stuff that I like better, but I’m having 
trouble with sorting my incoming mail. 2 questions:


I was able to sort by who the mail was FROM, by creating groups in my 
address book in PM. Is there a way to do that? Rather than going thru 
and adding each individual to the filters within a smart mailbox?


Also, what if I just want to save some emails by physically moving 
them into a folder? I’m guessing that’s something with 
‘archives’ but I can’t seem to figure out how to make this 
happen. What I’d like it not to accidentally delete them when I am 
in the basic ‘inbox’ somewhere. In PM, if I put something in a 
folder, that’s the only place it was. Here it seems to be a 
‘copy.’ OK, I know it’s not a copy, more like an alias, I guess? 
But whatever, I don’t want to see it elsewhere, because I might 
accidentally hit delete. Does that make sense?


TIA


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[MlMt] newbie question about folders

[Jo]

Hi,
Just switched over to MailMate from PowerMail. I’ve been hanging onto 
PM for a very long time, but it seems it’s not gonna work with the 
next OS upgrade, so here I am. There is a lot here that’s very similar 
and some new stuff that I like better, but I’m having trouble with 
sorting my incoming mail. 2 questions:


I was able to sort by who the mail was FROM, by creating groups in my 
address book in PM. Is there a way to do that? Rather than going thru 
and adding each individual to the filters within a smart mailbox?


Also, what if I just want to save some emails by physically moving them 
into a folder? I’m guessing that’s something with ‘archives’ but 
I can’t seem to figure out how to make this happen. What I’d like it 
not to accidentally delete them when I am in the basic ‘inbox’ 
somewhere. In PM, if I put something in a folder, that’s the only 
place it was. Here it seems to be a ‘copy.’ OK, I know it’s not a 
copy, more like an alias, I guess? But whatever, I don’t want to see 
it elsewhere, because I might accidentally hit delete. Does that make 
sense?


TIA


Jo
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Re: [MlMt] Newbie question: How does MaIlmate handle zooming html messages?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 17 Dec 2018, at 8:37, Tom Fawcett wrote:

Hi.  Is it possible to zoom (Command-+ or Command -) text size in an 
HTML message?


No, and I've kind of forgotten the details. I believe it works for some 
emails and not for others (using some private Apple API, but I cannot 
recall why).


Eventually MailMate should switch to a different class for displaying 
images and I believe that works differently (it supports pinch-zoom). 
I'm not sure when I can do that (I'm having trouble replicating current 
functionality) which means you shouldn't expect this to improve soon.


I checked the preferences, tried setting fonts, tried setting minimum 
font sizes, etc.  I’ve searched through the email list archives and 
haven’t found an answer.


Setting the minimum font size should work, but note that you have to 
select another message to trigger its effect. I'm not sure why MailMate 
doesn't dynamically update as it does for some other settings. (I guess 
MailMate could perhaps use this to make ⌘+/⌘- kind of work.)


Apple Mail can do this, and I need it occasionally.  MailMate is very 
good about controlling its own text, but it doesn’t seem to touch 
text in HTML messages.  I’m willing to tweak CSS if that’s what it 
takes.


I'm not sure what options you have using CSS since I'm on a really bad 
internet connection right now (and I need Google to refresh my memory).


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[MlMt] Newbie question: How does MaIlmate handle zooming html messages?

[Tom Fawcett]

Hi.  Is it possible to zoom (Command-+ or Command -) text size in an 
HTML message? I checked the preferences, tried setting fonts, tried 
setting minimum font sizes, etc.  I’ve searched through the email list 
archives and haven’t found an answer.


Apple Mail can do this, and I need it occasionally.  MailMate is very 
good about controlling its own text, but it doesn’t seem to touch text 
in HTML messages.  I’m willing to tweak CSS if that’s what it takes.


Thanks for a great email program!

Best,
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Re: [MlMt] newbie

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Brad & Michele Worthington 2018-02-20 3:15 wrote:

The messages don’t arrive with any specific subject lines or from 
address so setting up smart boxes doesn’t seem feasible. I want to 
read them, deal with them and move them to say 2018 a, or March b 
folder for example.


I would suggest:

* Set up tags for each project.
* Set up a smart folder for each project/tag.
* Set up custom keybindings for each project/tag that tag the mail and 
archive it.


This way everything arrives in to your inbox. You read the mail and then 
press the key(s) you mapped for that project/tag.


This will tag the mail and archive it, removing it from the inbox. When 
you are done the inbox is empty and all the mail can be viewed it the 
correct project (smart) folder.


If you don't have to many projects you could bind the actions to a 
single key of your choice, like this:


"a" = ( "setTag:", "Aproject", "archive:" );
"b" = ( "setTag:", "Bproject", "archive:" );
"c" = ( "setTag:", "Cproject", "archive:" );
"d" = ( "setTag:", "Dproject", "archive:" );
"e" = ( "setTag:", "Eproject", "archive:" );

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Re: [MlMt] newbie

[Thomas Eckhold]

Basic approach:

If your email provider allows you to create as many mailboxes (folders) 
as you need on his mailserver, you can use MailMate as you have used 
Apple Mail in the past. Instead of smart mailboxes just create (normal) 
mailboxes (= New IMAP Mailbox) on the sever. In such a mailbox you may 
create sub-mailboxes (sub-folders) as well. Note that these mailboxes 
are stored on the server and MailMate creates a copy on your local 
system (for off-line access – you can find the copies in the 
Application Support folder of your library on your Mac).


The easiest way to move messages from the inbox to another mailbox 
(folder) is to use the „Move to Mailbox“ shortcut (by default 
CMD-ALT-T – alternatively you can select the command in the Message 
menu in the menu bar). The appearing window allows you to select a 
mailbox [folder] by typing its name. Of course, you can drag and drop 
the message via the mouse into the folder, too. The shortcut works for a 
bunch of selected messages as well so that you can move many messages in 
one step.


More advanced approach:

- move messages by rules
- use smart mailboxes sorted by tags; tag messages in the inbox (tags 
could be „2018 folder A“ for example); move messages (after tagging) 
into the archive (SHIFT-CMD-M) to keep your inbox uncluttered


Hope that helps a bit

Thomas

On 20 Feb 2018, at 3:15, Brad & Michele Worthington wrote:

I am new to MailMate and switched to mm by our tech guy. He isn’t 
very accessible so here I am. I really need help setting up my folders 
like I previously had on apple mail. I want to be able to read a 
message and move it to a folder for storage and search ability later. 
I understand I can’t move them to the smart mailboxes. How would you 
suggest I set up my work load? For example, lets say I have three main 
projects I work with, a, b and c. The messages don’t arrive with any 
specific subject lines or from address so setting up smart boxes 
doesn’t seem feasible. I want to read them, deal with them and move 
them to say 2018 a, or March b folder for example. Respond at basic 
easy levels as I am just about over my head. I did watch all the 
videos I could find on line. Thanks.
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Re: [MlMt] Newbie questions

[AC-Martin]

On 2 Dec 2014, at 5:12, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


I'm sorry I'm so bad at spreading the word about MailMate :-)


I had actually seen it a couple times, scanned it and never really 
thought of seriously trying it.  It's always listed among the best 
clients for OS X.


Your best option is to use a [hidden 
preference](http://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences#composing) 
named `MmDefaultAccount`. (This comes up pretty often and I've 
promised a few times to improve it and make it a GUI option.)


I see.  Thanks.  However, I've now come to realise that MailMate 
remembers a lot of user behaviours and associates From addresses and 
signatures with recipients.  I'll see how this works before fiddling 
with the hidden option.


This is a Gmail issue affecting many users and it's not 
straightforward to explain, but here we go:




All this doesn't help you. Although I removed the Gmail specific code 
I still have a general workaround which can be enabled like this:


	defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmEnableKeywordsCheckInIDLE -bool 
YES


Relaunch MailMate after enabling it. It'll affect all IMAP accounts, 
but I don't really have a lot of feedback on how well it works. It's 
the best I can offer you for now.


Ok.  I'll give it a try and give you some feedback.

For me, the flags also update if I right-click the Inbox and select 
“Synchronize”.


That doesn't work here.

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Re: [MlMt] Newbie questions

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 2 Dec 2014, at 12:14, AC-Martin wrote:


On 2 Dec 2014, at 5:12, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

Your best option is to use a [hidden 
preference](http://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences#composing) 
named `MmDefaultAccount`. (This comes up pretty often and I've 
promised a few times to improve it and make it a GUI option.)


I see.  Thanks.  However, I've now come to realise that MailMate 
remembers a lot of user behaviours and associates From addresses and 
signatures with recipients.  I'll see how this works before fiddling 
with the hidden option.


For the record, I have now added a GUI option for the next update.

For me, the flags also update if I right-click the Inbox and select 
“Synchronize”.


That doesn't work here.


Hmm, I'm not sure how that could be. I'll give it some thought.

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[MlMt] Newbie questions

[AC-Martin]

Hello,

I'm a little upset that I didn't discover this client before now since 
it has so many nice features. Better late than never.


Two questions/issues since using it:

- is there a way to define a default account when creating a new 
message?  This is when I create a new message with the common Inbox 
folder selected.


- If I leave MailMate running on one machine, do emailing with my mobile 
and return to the machine, all the emails I read would not be 
synchronised as read. I'm experiencing this mainly with my GoogleApps 
account which is by far, my busiest and main account.  I have two other 
accounts configured but rarely wish to send mail from them. Neither do I 
receive much emails on them to detect a similar pattern. BTW, I can 
confirm that the messages on my GoogleApps account were marked as read 
by checking the account using the web interface.


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Re: [MlMt] newbie question - Large Google Apps archive - limited local space

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 26 Feb 2014, at 14:57, Bill Cole wrote:


On 26 Feb 2014, at 4:56, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

Yes, the following folder can be considered a cache where it is 
always safe to delete files:


~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Attachments/

Attachments are only saved to this folder when needed (e.g., when 
using Quick Look).


I need to know if this says what it seems to say: if something other 
than MM clobbers attachments while MM is running, it will re-extract 
them as needed without getting confused  whiny?


My immediate answer would have been yes, but now you made me think about 
it I remember a problem: If message A saves an attachment with filename 
X and the attachment is deleted from the cache by the user then message 
B could use the same filename X to save a different attachment. If 
opening the attachment of message A at a later time would then open the 
attachment of B.


I consider this a bug although I have not documented that it should be 
possible to delete attachments (but I've suggested it in emails in the 
past).


That is very useful information which I can't find in the 
documentation.


I guess it's a good thing I didn't document it.

A workaround for deleting *all* cached attachment would be as follows 
(first quit MailMate):


rm ~/Library/Application\ Support/MailMate/Attachments/*
	rm ~/Library/Application\ 
Support/MailMate/Database.noindex/Headers/#attachment-name.*


This makes sure that MailMate no longer thinks any attachments have been 
saved to disk. (I didn't test the above!)


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Re: [MlMt] newbie question - Large Google Apps archive - limited local space

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 25 Feb 2014, at 23:56, Manoel Felciano wrote:

I'm excited to start using MailMate but had a bad experience (due to 
my
ignorance no doubt) the first time I fired it up, as it tried to 
locally

store every email I have and soon bottled up my SSD.


It would be nice though if MailMate was better at “warning” about 
the consequences of importing an account.


1) is the first thing to do create a filter  label called past year 
with

criteria newer_than:365d and have mail mate subscribe only to that?


I'm not sure Gmail can dynamically update such a mailbox. Maybe someone 
else knows.



or is there a way to tell MM to only fetch email from the past year?


There is a [hidden 
preference](http://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences#experimental_imap_window) 
and although I mention it from time to time I have never gotten any 
feedback on how well/badly it works. In other words, don't use it if you 
don't want to spend time reporting bugs.


2) how does one handle archiving? I'm used to hitting E in gmail 
and
banishing an email to the archive, which in gmail is the gargantuan 
All

mail, but I often find myself having to refer back to that email soon
thereafter.


In your case I would recommend letting MailMate use 
“[Gmail]/Archive” to archive. This is also described 
[here](http://manual.mailmate-app.com/account_setup#gmail). MailMate can 
handle “[Gmail]/All Mail” without creating duplicate messages, but I 
don't think it performs well for large accounts (currently I believe 
both Gmail and MailMate is to blame for that).


Now Benny, for understandable reasons, strongly suggests *not* syncing 
with
All Mail with MailMate. However if I don't do that, how do I access 
my
recently archived emails? Or do I need some sort of Recent archive 
and

move stuff there instead?


You could think of “[Gmail]/Archive” as your recent archive. You can 
of course use any mailbox name you want, but remember to use “Mailbox 
▸ Mailbox Type ▸ ...” in MailMate to assign the “Archive” 
mailbox type.


I know that in October, the default treatment of Gmail/All Mail 
changed, so

that people are now syncing that folder, but again, mine has 350k
emails looking for best practices advice!


I actually changed it back such that “Gmail/All Mail” is not synched 
by default (but it can still be subscribed manually). The implementation 
was based on Gmail now supporting CONDSTORE for IMAP. This is an 
extension that makes certain IMAP actions faster, but it turns out that 
it's actually quite slow for large Gmail mailboxes (I don't have any 
exact numbers on that).


3) can I safely delete local copies of attachments (via Hazel) every 
week
or so to stop that from bloating, knowing I'll always have a copy of 
the

attachment on the server?


Yes, the following folder can be considered a cache where it is always 
safe to delete files:


~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Attachments/

Attachments are only saved to this folder when needed (e.g., when using 
Quick Look).


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Re: [MlMt] newbie question - Large Google Apps archive - limited local space

[Bill Cole]

On 26 Feb 2014, at 4:56, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

Yes, the following folder can be considered a cache where it is always 
safe to delete files:


~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Attachments/

Attachments are only saved to this folder when needed (e.g., when 
using Quick Look).


I need to know if this says what it seems to say: if something other 
than MM clobbers attachments while MM is running, it will re-extract 
them as needed without getting confused  whiny?


That is very useful information which I can't find in the documentation.
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