Re: [MlMt] Gmail message not moving to trash or changing read status

[Shoshanna Green]

On 27 Mar 2026, at 10:08, Zvi Biener wrote:

> Thanks, Shoshanna. Fascinating. Where in MM did you see the ‘throttled’ 
> message?

Next to the name of the account (top-level folder) in the Sources menu.

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Re: [MlMt] Gmail message not moving to trash or changing read status

[Zvi Biener]

HOLY MOLY. Thanks, Jim!!! Yes, a single folder was offline! I can’t 
believe I didn’t think to check.


I have a very old feature request to have some indicators in the 
top-level “Sources” menu that make it obvious if a mailbox/account 
has gone offline… I think this issue gets me about once a year, but it 
has always been with my company’s exchange server, not Gmail, so it 
didn’t even occur to me…


THANK SO MUCH. Z

On 26 Mar 2026, at 19:20, Jim Mccarty wrote:


Avi,

I experienced something very similar. I was reading and deleting 
emails from my Gmail inbox in MailMate but the messages remained in 
the Inbox, marked as read, when viewed in the Gmail web app. What I 
hadn't noticed was that my Gmail Trash mailbox was offline (just that 
one mailbox)! After Synchronizing the Trash, my mailboxes started 
operating as expected again.


I hope the solution to your issue is as easy.

-Jim

On Thu, Mar 26, 2026, at 3:58 PM, Henry Seiden wrote:

Avi,

I use a single Gmail account which has the current G-Server running 
on it (recently updated paid account), though it has long been in 
existence previously as a free account. In either case, I have not 
had this issue.


MM v6292 is working with Gmail and all other source accounts (iCloud, 
commercial cPanel Linux servers, M’soft, Yahoo).


Account Synopsis:

 • I use a smart mail box to regularly process junk mail from Inbox 
to Junk (SpamSieve), use a (MM) filter to delete junk and another 
filter to purge that deleted email from the Deleted folder. The 
deleted folder is purged from a single (Drone) computer on a thirty 
day interval. All seems to be working here.
 • The Inbox on each account is cleared as soon as possible from 
spam. The remainder is processed by any device regularly.
 • Sent Folder is moved to Archive every 15 days with a dedicated 
filter for several accounts.
 • My junk in Gmail is very manageable, perhaps because of low 
usage incoming to me, luckily. I use no server filters wherever 
possible. Not so lucky on spam with the other source accounts with 
heavier usage, but I believe the combo of MM + SpamSieve keeps up 
pretty well. There are 35 messages in my Gmail 2026 Archive file in 
this account, 7 messages in my Sent folder.
 • Right now, no major issues on all. At this time, there are 15 
emails queued to delete and nothing in my inbox. Thanks to MM and 
other working clients, email is a valuable tool for me.
 • My system: MailMate/6292/8E0C2B09-5E7C-51C0-A74E-30C066DF8C4A 
26.4.0/arm64/Mac16,5/14

Respectfully,
Henry Seiden
E: Techworks Pro E-mail 
W: Techworks Pro Co. Home Page 

Techworks Pro Co.

Founder, Henry Seiden i...@techworkspro.com


© 2025 techworkspro.com

On 26 Mar 2026, at 15:28, Zvi Biener wrote:


Hi All,
I wonder if anyone has run into the following behavior, or can think 
of why it is happening.


Basically, it seems like MM is not moving Gmail inbox messages to 
the trash, and not changing their read status. I know that the 
MM/Gmail interaction is tweaked insofar as tags are concerned, but 
my setup has worked for years, but something changed in February.


The flow is this: a message comes into the Inbox. It is matches 
certain criteria, it is deleted (using the “Delete”) action in 
the rules, and then a tag is added to it; say, “Marketing”. I am 
*not* subscribed to the “Marketing” folder in my gmail account 
from the MM side, since I want the tags to show *as tags* (for 
reason irrelevant here). The message remain unread, and I see it in 
a MM smart mailbox defined by the “Marketing” tag. (I’m not 
sure why it is deleted first and then tagged, as opposed to tagged 
and deleted; I set this up ages ago and remember having a reason, 
but I don’t remember what).


This all looks perfectly fine from the MM side — the message’s 
source mailbox shows as Gmail/Trash and it is tagged properly. But 
the message is not actually moved to the Trash folder in Gmail, and, 
even after it is read in MM, remains as unread in Gmail. If I flag 
it, it does not become flagged in Gmail. However, if I flag it in 
Gmail, it becomes flagged in MM; but if I then unflag it, it does 
not unflag in Gmail.


I don’t think this is related to an update in MM, since the 
timestamp on my MM app is from October, and the issue seems to have 
started in February. But I’m using the 6290 version.


Any ideas?

Thanks,
Zvi


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Re: [MlMt] Gmail message not moving to trash or changing read status

[Zvi Biener]

Thanks, Henry. That’s an interesting system. FWIW, this is how I do 
it, in case anyone else finds it useful:


+ I have a small set of genuine imap mailboxes called, e.g., 
“Marketing”, “Social”, “Financial”, etc.
+ I have the same small set of rules attached to my inbox, one 
corresponding to each of the genuine imap mailboxes above, that 
implement the following logic: If the From address (sometimes Subject, 
etc.) of the incoming message matches any From address (or Subject, 
etc.) in the corresponding genuine imap mailbox, tag the message with a 
corresponding tag: “Marketing”, “Social”, etc; and then move it 
to either Deleted or Archive, depending on the tag (Marketing goes to 
Deleted, Financial goes to Archive, for example).
+ I have a set of smart-mailboxes that pick up on the relevant tags, so 
I can see the same kind of messages (e.g., marketing messages) clustered 
over several accounts, etc.
+ Basically, there is a tripartite structure: for every category, I have 
a genuine imap mailbox, an inbox rule, and a smart mailbox.
   + This allows the following: the first time I get some marketing 
message from, say, sa...@wewantyourmoney.com, I manually move the 
message into the genuine imap mailbox “Marketing.” The next time I 
get an email from the same address, the address is matched with the 
content of the “Marketing” mailbox, and the “Marketing” tag is 
automatically applied, and the message is moved Deleted. (If one has 
only have a single email account, one can skip the smart mailbox part of 
the setup, but it is designed to deal with multiple accounts)
+ There is a little overhead in implementing this system for the 
first time, but within a few weeks pretty much all messages are sorted 
appropriately.
   + I use the same logic for other things like students in a 
particular course, committee members in some particular committee, etc., 
but often without defining the relevant tags and just moving the message 
appropriately.

+ Messages older than X months in Deleted are purged, etc.
+ I also use SpamSieve, but this system is for stuff that’s not Junk, 
but might just be nuisance (and for stuff that’s neither).


FWIW. Anyway…
Zvi

On 26 Mar 2026, at 18:58, Henry Seiden wrote:


Avi,

I use a single Gmail account which has the current G-Server running on 
it (recently updated paid account), though it has long been in 
existence previously as a free account. In either case, I have not had 
this issue.


MM v6292 is working with Gmail and all other source accounts (iCloud, 
commercial cPanel Linux servers, M’soft, Yahoo).


Account Synopsis:
* I use a smart mail box to regularly process junk mail from Inbox to 
Junk (SpamSieve), use a (MM) filter to delete junk and another filter 
to purge that deleted email from the Deleted folder. The deleted 
folder is purged from a single (Drone) computer on a thirty day 
interval. All seems to be working here.
* The Inbox on each account is cleared as soon as possible from spam. 
The remainder is processed by any device regularly.
* Sent Folder is moved to Archive every 15 days with a dedicated 
filter for several accounts.
* My junk in Gmail is very manageable, perhaps because of low usage 
incoming to me, luckily. I use no server filters wherever possible. 
Not so lucky on spam with the other source accounts with heavier 
usage, but I believe the combo of MM + SpamSieve keeps up pretty well. 
There are 35 messages in my Gmail 2026 Archive file in this account, 7 
messages in my Sent folder.
* Right now, no major issues on all. At this time, there are 15 emails 
queued to delete and nothing in my inbox. Thanks to MM and other 
working clients, email is a valuable tool for me.
* My system: MailMate/6292/8E0C2B09-5E7C-51C0-A74E-30C066DF8C4A 
26.4.0/arm64/Mac16,5/14


Respectfully,

Henry Seiden
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On 26 Mar 2026, at 15:28, Zvi Biener wrote:


Hi All,
I wonder if anyone has run into the following behavior, or can think 
of why it is happening.


Basically, it seems like MM is not moving Gmail inbox messages to the 
trash, and not changing their read status. I know that the MM/Gmail 
interaction is tweaked insofar as tags are concerned, but my setup 
has worked for years, but something changed in February.


The flow is this: a message comes into the Inbox. It is matches 
certain criteria, it is deleted (using the “Delete”) action in 
the rules, and then a tag is added to it; say, “Marketing”. I am 
*not* subscribed to the “Marketing” folder in my gmail account 
from the MM side, since I want the tags to show *as tags* (for reason 
irrelevant here). The message remain unread, and I see it in a MM 
smart mailbox defined by the “Marketing” tag. (I’m not sure why 
it is deleted first and then tagged, as opposed to tagged and 
deleted; I set this up ages ago and remember having a reason, but I 
don’t remember what).


This all looks perfectly fine from the MM side — the message’s 
source 

Re: [MlMt] Gmail message not moving to trash or changing read status

[Zvi Biener]

Thanks, Shoshanna. Fascinating. Where in MM did you see the 
‘throttled’ message? I don’t see it now, but I often don’t see 
what’s in front of my eyes! FWIW, I have not had any series 
up/download activity with gmail, so I don’t think they would have a 
reason to throttle me, but who knows…


On 26 Mar 2026, at 16:49, Shoshanna Green wrote:

I'm seeing a similar problem with a start sometime in the last few 
weeks; I don't use tags, but messages I delete in MailMate on my 
desktop are often still in the inbox in Mail on my iOS devices and in 
the Gmail web interface.


The problem first started happening a month or two ago when I set up 
MailMate on a new laptop. MailMate dutifully began downloading 
alll my mail to its new installation, which was so much traffic (I 
guess) that Gmail throttled the account; while throttled, deletions I 
did on that laptop (and moves of messages from the inbox to folders) 
weren't correctly carried out in the cloud or echoed to other MailMate 
installations. MailMate on that laptop has long since finished 
synching, and everything seemed fine for a while, but now MailMate 
deletions on my desktop often have the same problem.


I assumed that Gmail was throttling me again, for some unknown reason, 
although I didn't ever catch the account actually showing "throttled" 
-- until earlier today, when the "throttled" label did appear briefly 
on my desktop MailMate installation.


Zvi, any chance your account is also being throttled?

If that's not the cause -- and again, I didn't actually see my account 
marked "throttled" for most of the time that deletions have failed to 
work, but I might have missed it -- I too would love to know what it 
might be!


On 26 Mar 2026, at 15:28, Zvi Biener wrote:


Hi All,
I wonder if anyone has run into the following behavior, or can think 
of why it is happening.


Basically, it seems like MM is not moving Gmail inbox messages to the 
trash, and not changing their read status. I know that the MM/Gmail 
interaction is tweaked insofar as tags are concerned, but my setup 
has worked for years, but something changed in February.


The flow is this: a message comes into the Inbox. It is matches 
certain criteria, it is deleted (using the “Delete”) action in 
the rules, and then a tag is added to it; say, “Marketing”. I am 
*not* subscribed to the “Marketing” folder in my gmail account 
from the MM side, since I want the tags to show *as tags* (for reason 
irrelevant here). The message remain unread, and I see it in a MM 
smart mailbox defined by the “Marketing” tag. (I’m not sure why 
it is deleted first and then tagged, as opposed to tagged and 
deleted; I set this up ages ago and remember having a reason, but I 
don’t remember what).


This all looks perfectly fine from the MM side — the message’s 
source mailbox shows as Gmail/Trash and it is tagged properly. But 
the message is not actually moved to the Trash folder in Gmail, and, 
even after it is read in MM, remains as unread in Gmail. If I flag 
it, it does not become flagged in Gmail. However, if I flag it in 
Gmail, it becomes flagged in MM; but if I then unflag it, it does not 
unflag in Gmail.


I don’t think this is related to an update in MM, since the 
timestamp on my MM app is from October, and the issue seems to have 
started in February. But I’m using the 6290 version.


Any ideas?

Thanks,
Zvi
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Re: [MlMt] Gmail message not moving to trash or changing read status

[Henry Seiden]

Avi,

I use a single Gmail account which has the current G-Server running on it 
(recently updated paid account), though it has long been in existence 
previously as a free account. In either case, I have not had this issue.

MM v6292 is working with Gmail and all other source accounts (iCloud, 
commercial cPanel Linux servers, M’soft, Yahoo).

Account Synopsis:
* I use a smart mail box to regularly process junk mail from Inbox to Junk 
(SpamSieve), use a (MM) filter to delete junk and another filter to purge that 
deleted email from the Deleted folder. The deleted folder is purged from a 
single (Drone) computer on a thirty day interval. All seems to be working here.
* The Inbox on each account is cleared as soon as possible from spam. The 
remainder is processed by any device regularly.
* Sent Folder is moved to Archive every 15 days with a dedicated filter for 
several accounts.
* My junk in Gmail is very manageable, perhaps because of low usage incoming to 
me, luckily. I use no server filters wherever possible. Not so lucky on spam 
with the other source accounts with heavier usage, but I believe the combo of 
MM + SpamSieve keeps up pretty well. There are 35 messages in my Gmail 2026 
Archive file in this account, 7 messages in my Sent folder.
* Right now, no major issues on all. At this time, there are 15 emails queued 
to delete and nothing in my inbox. Thanks to MM and other working clients, 
email is a valuable tool for me.
* My system: MailMate/6292/8E0C2B09-5E7C-51C0-A74E-30C066DF8C4A 
26.4.0/arm64/Mac16,5/14

Respectfully,

Henry Seiden
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Techworks Pro Co.
E: infotechworksprocom
W: http://techworkspro.com

On 26 Mar 2026, at 15:28, Zvi Biener wrote:

> Hi All,
> I wonder if anyone has run into the following behavior, or can think of why 
> it is happening.
>
> Basically, it seems like MM is not moving Gmail inbox messages to the trash, 
> and not changing their read status. I know that the MM/Gmail interaction is 
> tweaked insofar as tags are concerned, but my setup has worked for years, but 
> something changed in February.
>
> The flow is this: a message comes into the Inbox. It is matches certain 
> criteria, it is deleted (using the “Delete”) action in the rules, and then a 
> tag is added to it; say, “Marketing”. I am *not* subscribed to the 
> “Marketing” folder in my gmail account from the MM side, since I want the 
> tags to show *as tags* (for reason irrelevant here). The message remain 
> unread, and I see it in a MM smart mailbox defined by the “Marketing” tag. 
> (I’m not sure why it is deleted first and then tagged, as opposed to tagged 
> and deleted; I set this up ages ago and remember having a reason, but I don’t 
> remember what).
>
> This all looks perfectly fine from the MM side — the message’s source mailbox 
> shows as Gmail/Trash and it is tagged properly. But the message is not 
> actually moved to the Trash folder in Gmail, and, even after it is read in 
> MM, remains as unread in Gmail. If I flag it, it does not become flagged in 
> Gmail. However, if I flag it in Gmail, it becomes flagged in MM; but if I 
> then unflag it, it does not unflag in Gmail.
>
> I don’t think this is related to an update in MM, since the timestamp on my 
> MM app is from October, and the issue seems to have started in February. But 
> I’m using the 6290 version.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Zvi
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Re: [MlMt] Gmail message not moving to trash or changing read status

[Jim Mccarty]

Avi,

I experienced something very similar. I was reading and deleting emails from my 
Gmail inbox in MailMate but the messages remained in the Inbox, marked as read, 
when viewed in the Gmail web app. What I hadn't noticed was that my Gmail Trash 
mailbox was offline (just that one mailbox)! After Synchronizing the Trash, my 
mailboxes started operating as expected again.

I hope the solution to your issue is as easy.

-Jim

On Thu, Mar 26, 2026, at 3:58 PM, Henry Seiden wrote:
> Avi,
> 
> I use a single Gmail account which has the current G-Server running on it 
> (recently updated paid account), though it has long been in existence 
> previously as a free account. In either case, I have not had this issue.
> 
> MM v6292 is working with Gmail and all other source accounts (iCloud, 
> commercial cPanel Linux servers, M’soft, Yahoo).
> 
> Account Synopsis:
> 
>  • I use a smart mail box to regularly process junk mail from Inbox to Junk 
> (SpamSieve), use a (MM) filter to delete junk and another filter to purge 
> that deleted email from the Deleted folder. The deleted folder is purged from 
> a single (Drone) computer on a thirty day interval. All seems to be working 
> here.
>  • The Inbox on each account is cleared as soon as possible from spam. The 
> remainder is processed by any device regularly.
>  • Sent Folder is moved to Archive every 15 days with a dedicated filter for 
> several accounts.
>  • My junk in Gmail is very manageable, perhaps because of low usage incoming 
> to me, luckily. I use no server filters wherever possible. Not so lucky on 
> spam with the other source accounts with heavier usage, but I believe the 
> combo of MM + SpamSieve keeps up pretty well. There are 35 messages in my 
> Gmail 2026 Archive file in this account, 7 messages in my Sent folder.
>  • Right now, no major issues on all. At this time, there are 15 emails 
> queued to delete and nothing in my inbox. Thanks to MM and other working 
> clients, email is a valuable tool for me.
>  • My system: MailMate/6292/8E0C2B09-5E7C-51C0-A74E-30C066DF8C4A 
> 26.4.0/arm64/Mac16,5/14
> Respectfully, 
> Henry Seiden 
> E: Techworks Pro E-mail  
> W: Techworks Pro Co. Home Page 
> 
> Techworks Pro Co.
> 
> Founder, Henry Seiden i...@techworkspro.com
> 
> 
> © 2025 techworkspro.com
> 
> On 26 Mar 2026, at 15:28, Zvi Biener wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> I wonder if anyone has run into the following behavior, or can think of why 
>> it is happening.
>> 
>> Basically, it seems like MM is not moving Gmail inbox messages to the trash, 
>> and not changing their read status. I know that the MM/Gmail interaction is 
>> tweaked insofar as tags are concerned, but my setup has worked for years, 
>> but something changed in February.
>> 
>> The flow is this: a message comes into the Inbox. It is matches certain 
>> criteria, it is deleted (using the “Delete”) action in the rules, and then a 
>> tag is added to it; say, “Marketing”. I am *not* subscribed to the 
>> “Marketing” folder in my gmail account from the MM side, since I want the 
>> tags to show *as tags* (for reason irrelevant here). The message remain 
>> unread, and I see it in a MM smart mailbox defined by the “Marketing” tag. 
>> (I’m not sure why it is deleted first and then tagged, as opposed to tagged 
>> and deleted; I set this up ages ago and remember having a reason, but I 
>> don’t remember what).
>> 
>> This all looks perfectly fine from the MM side — the message’s source 
>> mailbox shows as Gmail/Trash and it is tagged properly. But the message is 
>> not actually moved to the Trash folder in Gmail, and, even after it is read 
>> in MM, remains as unread in Gmail. If I flag it, it does not become flagged 
>> in Gmail. However, if I flag it in Gmail, it becomes flagged in MM; but if I 
>> then unflag it, it does not unflag in Gmail.
>> 
>> I don’t think this is related to an update in MM, since the timestamp on my 
>> MM app is from October, and the issue seems to have started in February. But 
>> I’m using the 6290 version.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Zvi
>> 
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Re: [MlMt] Gmail message not moving to trash or changing read status

[Shoshanna Green]

I'm seeing a similar problem with a start sometime in the last few weeks; I 
don't use tags, but messages I delete in MailMate on my desktop are often still 
in the inbox in Mail on my iOS devices and in the Gmail web interface.

The problem first started happening a month or two ago when I set up MailMate 
on a new laptop. MailMate dutifully began downloading alll my mail to its 
new installation, which was so much traffic (I guess) that Gmail throttled the 
account; while throttled, deletions I did on that laptop (and moves of messages 
from the inbox to folders) weren't correctly carried out in the cloud or echoed 
to other MailMate installations. MailMate on that laptop has long since 
finished synching, and everything seemed fine for a while, but now MailMate 
deletions on my desktop often have the same problem.

I assumed that Gmail was throttling me again, for some unknown reason, although 
I didn't ever catch the account actually showing "throttled" -- until earlier 
today, when the "throttled" label did appear briefly on my desktop MailMate 
installation.

Zvi, any chance your account is also being throttled?

If that's not the cause -- and again, I didn't actually see my account marked 
"throttled" for most of the time that deletions have failed to work, but I 
might have missed it -- I too would love to know what it might be!

On 26 Mar 2026, at 15:28, Zvi Biener wrote:

> Hi All,
> I wonder if anyone has run into the following behavior, or can think of why 
> it is happening.
>
> Basically, it seems like MM is not moving Gmail inbox messages to the trash, 
> and not changing their read status. I know that the MM/Gmail interaction is 
> tweaked insofar as tags are concerned, but my setup has worked for years, but 
> something changed in February.
>
> The flow is this: a message comes into the Inbox. It is matches certain 
> criteria, it is deleted (using the “Delete”) action in the rules, and then a 
> tag is added to it; say, “Marketing”. I am *not* subscribed to the 
> “Marketing” folder in my gmail account from the MM side, since I want the 
> tags to show *as tags* (for reason irrelevant here). The message remain 
> unread, and I see it in a MM smart mailbox defined by the “Marketing” tag. 
> (I’m not sure why it is deleted first and then tagged, as opposed to tagged 
> and deleted; I set this up ages ago and remember having a reason, but I don’t 
> remember what).
>
> This all looks perfectly fine from the MM side — the message’s source mailbox 
> shows as Gmail/Trash and it is tagged properly. But the message is not 
> actually moved to the Trash folder in Gmail, and, even after it is read in 
> MM, remains as unread in Gmail. If I flag it, it does not become flagged in 
> Gmail. However, if I flag it in Gmail, it becomes flagged in MM; but if I 
> then unflag it, it does not unflag in Gmail.
>
> I don’t think this is related to an update in MM, since the timestamp on my 
> MM app is from October, and the issue seems to have started in February. But 
> I’m using the 6290 version.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Zvi
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