Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account

2016-10-03 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen 
On 3 Oct 2016, at 18:03, Helen Holzgrafe wrote:

> Tried with 5279. Problem still exists.

Ok, I'll contact you off list for some debugging.

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Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account

2016-10-03 Thread Helen Holzgrafe 

Benny,

Tried with 5279. Problem still exists.

-Helen

On 3 Oct 2016, at 4:51, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 23 Sep 2016, at 22:06, Helen Holzgrafe wrote:

(I don't think I ever replied to this one.)

Oops! forgot a step! Once you get to the contacts page click on the 
link
i...@123stitch.com near the phone numbers and the photo near the top 
of the page.


Ok, I don't think the nature of the `mailto:` link itself plays a role 
though. I've sent replies to a few users with this issue asking them 
to use the latest test version — and then let me know if they can 
still reproduce the issue. I have not gotten any feedback on that you. 
You can also try the latest test release: Hold down ⌥ when clicking 
“Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane.


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Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account

2016-10-03 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen 

On 23 Sep 2016, at 22:06, Helen Holzgrafe wrote:

(I don't think I ever replied to this one.)

Oops! forgot a step! Once you get to the contacts page click on the 
link
i...@123stitch.com near the phone numbers and the photo near the top 
of the page.


Ok, I don't think the nature of the `mailto:` link itself plays a role 
though. I've sent replies to a few users with this issue asking them to 
use the latest test version — and then let me know if they can still 
reproduce the issue. I have not gotten any feedback on that you. You can 
also try the latest test release: Hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check 
Now” in the Software Update preferences pane.


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Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account

2016-09-23 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen 

On 22 Sep 2016, at 21:42, Bill Cole wrote:


On 22 Sep 2016, at 5:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 22 Sep 2016, at 6:56, Kee Hinckley wrote:

[...]
The dangerous thing is that Google SMTP doesn't reject the message 
for being from an unknown account--it changes the headers.


I also consider that a bug, but I guess Google does not see it that 
way.


There are reasons that there is not much spam coming out of GMail 
servers but LOTS coming out of Yahoo and Microsoft. This is one of 
them: GMail "corrects" the From header and envelope sender address to 
match the authenticated sender.


Just to be clear, I only wanted to imply that I think Gmail should just 
reject the message instead of altering it.


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Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account

2016-09-23 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen 

On 22 Sep 2016, at 21:14, Helen Holzgrafe wrote:


Don't know how to contact you offline.


“Off list”: This could be done using “Help ▸ Send Feedback” in 
MailMate *or* by right-clicking my email address in the headers view to 
select “Reply to ...”.



But, this reproduces the bug every time for me:

Use website: www.123stitch.com (this is a commercial website for 
needlework supplies in the us).

at the top of the page click on the link "contact us".
it will open a mail message window in  Mailmate.


Hmm, that does not open a message window for me. It links to another 
webpage. But it's not important since I'll likely received some debug 
information from a couple of other users.


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Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account

2016-09-22 Thread Bill Cole 

On 22 Sep 2016, at 5:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 22 Sep 2016, at 6:56, Kee Hinckley wrote:

[...]
The dangerous thing is that Google SMTP doesn't reject the message 
for being from an unknown account--it changes the headers.


I also consider that a bug, but I guess Google does not see it that 
way.


There are reasons that there is not much spam coming out of GMail 
servers but LOTS coming out of Yahoo and Microsoft. This is one of them: 
GMail "corrects" the From header and envelope sender address to match 
the authenticated sender. ISTR there is or was some way to add addresses 
(with a confirmation cycle) that would pass in the From header for an 
account, but the envelope sender would still be "corrected." Since the 
advent of DMARC, I would expect that feature to be gone (since DMARC 
deals with headers, not the envelope.)

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Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account

2016-09-22 Thread Helen Holzgrafe 

Hi,

Don't know how to contact you offline. But, this reproduces the bug 
every time for me:


Use website: www.123stitch.com (this is a commercial website for 
needlework supplies in the us).

at the top of the page click on the link "contact us".
it will open a mail message window in  Mailmate.  You can put some 
garbage in the title or body of the message or not as you like.
Save this mailmate message window as a draft and see it save into the 
drafts folder of the first account you have alphabetically rather that 
the one listed as the "From:" in the window.


This should do it for you every time. Just please be nice to the 
non-tech savvy lady who runs this site and don't send her a bunch of 
junk messages by accident.


-Helen

On 22 Sep 2016, at 3:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 22 Sep 2016, at 11:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 22 Sep 2016, at 6:56, Kee Hinckley wrote:

Bingo! That's exactly it. I did click on a mailto to generate that 
message, and the account that it sent from is the first in my list 
(at least according to the Activity Monitor).


Before this thread I had gotten a single report about this issue, but 
I couldn't reproduce it. This is likely the hint I needed. I'll look 
into fixing it.


I'm still having trouble reproducing this issue. If one of you can 
reproduce the issue then please contact me off list for some 
debugging.


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Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account

2016-09-22 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen 

On 22 Sep 2016, at 11:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 22 Sep 2016, at 6:56, Kee Hinckley wrote:

Bingo! That's exactly it. I did click on a mailto to generate that 
message, and the account that it sent from is the first in my list 
(at least according to the Activity Monitor).


Before this thread I had gotten a single report about this issue, but 
I couldn't reproduce it. This is likely the hint I needed. I'll look 
into fixing it.


I'm still having trouble reproducing this issue. If one of you can 
reproduce the issue then please contact me off list for some debugging.


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Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account

2016-09-22 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen 

On 22 Sep 2016, at 6:56, Kee Hinckley wrote:

Bingo! That's exactly it. I did click on a mailto to generate that 
message, and the account that it sent from is the first in my list (at 
least according to the Activity Monitor).


Before this thread I had gotten a single report about this issue, but I 
couldn't reproduce it. This is likely the hint I needed. I'll look into 
fixing it.


The dangerous thing is that Google SMTP doesn't reject the message for 
being from an unknown account--it changes the headers.


I also consider that a bug, but I guess Google does not see it that way.

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Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account

2016-09-22 Thread Helen Holzgrafe 
I had that happen recently also. I am running 5260. Mine ended up stuck 
in drafts because the account it tried to send from is an in-only 
mailbox and not set up to send out. I had to move the message from that 
account's drafts folder to the drafts folder for the actual account that 
was supposed to send it. Then, it worked fine.


The only odd thing about that message was that the window for it was 
opened via a website from a "contact us" type link. The message window 
"From: section" showed the correct outgoing account, but mailmate 
actually sent from another one.  In fact, it sent it from the one that 
is first by alphabet.  i.e.: it said From: b...@c.com, but was sent from 
a...@c.com.


And here I thought I was crazy...

-Helen

On 21 Sep 2016, at 14:28, Kee Hinckley wrote:


I sent the following message:

```
From: "Kee Hinckley" 
To: metadatasupp...@tivo.com
Subject: The 16x9 Series Image for "Difficult People" does not include 
the

 title text
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:37:26 -0700
Message-ID: <225b4f26-6097-4da6-9abd-8fa7d813b...@tivo.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/related;
 boundary="=_MailMate_AC3B2727-7876-41A9-A2F9-BAB06F89D205_="
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Mailer: MailMate (2.0BETAr6056)

```

But it didn't go out via my TiVo account. The next day when I was 
wondering why I didn't get a reply, I discovered it in the outbox for 
one of my Google accounts, not in my TiVo outbox. And when I talked to 
the folks I sent it to, they confirmed that they received it from the 
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Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account

2016-09-21 Thread Kee Hinckley 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 7:15 PM, Scott A. McIntyre  wrote:
> 
> I have been meaning to mention this one for a while.  I have this happen all 
> the time.
> 
> The easiest way to replicate it is for me to click on a mailto: URL 
> somewhere.  MailMate will then generate a new message which is often, but not 
> always, from the first account listed in my list of accounts.  If I change 
> the "From" address, it does NOT change the account through which it is sent.  
> I am typically reminded of this when I get an error from Apple about how I'm 
> not permitted to send from some other domain via my iCloud account and it 
> rejects the message.
> 
> So there does seem to be some sort of a disconnect between what the From 
> address is exiting MailMate and the actual account used for SMTP.
> 
> It may well be this is somehow linked to what you've seen here.

Bingo! That's exactly it. I did click on a mailto to generate that message, and 
the account that it sent from is the first in my list (at least according to 
the Activity Monitor).

The dangerous thing is that Google SMTP doesn't reject the message for being 
from an unknown account--it changes the headers.
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Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account

2016-09-21 Thread Scott A. McIntyre 

Hi Kee,


On 22 September 2016, at 0728, Kee Hinckley wrote:


I sent the following message:

```
From: "Kee Hinckley" 
To: metadatasupp...@tivo.com
Subject: The 16x9 Series Image for "Difficult People" does not include 
the

 title text
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:37:26 -0700
Message-ID: <225b4f26-6097-4da6-9abd-8fa7d813b...@tivo.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/related;
 boundary="=_MailMate_AC3B2727-7876-41A9-A2F9-BAB06F89D205_="
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Mailer: MailMate (2.0BETAr6056)

```

But it didn't go out via my TiVo account. The next day when I was 
wondering why I didn't get a reply, I discovered it in the outbox for 
one of my Google accounts, not in my TiVo outbox. And when I talked to 
the folks I sent it to, they confirmed that they received it from the 
Google address.___



I have been meaning to mention this one for a while.  I have this happen 
all the time.


The easiest way to replicate it is for me to click on a mailto: URL 
somewhere.  MailMate will then generate a new message which is often, 
but not always, from the first account listed in my list of accounts.  
If I change the "From" address, it does NOT change the account through 
which it is sent.  I am typically reminded of this when I get an error 
from Apple about how I'm not permitted to send from some other domain 
via my iCloud account and it rejects the message.


So there does seem to be some sort of a disconnect between what the From 
address is exiting MailMate and the actual account used for SMTP.


It may well be this is somehow linked to what you've seen here.

Scott

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