Re: [mailop] [E] Re: Some Days I think that Gmail isn't even trying to stop outbound spam..

2021-02-08 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 8 Feb 2021, at 21:20, Dave Warren via mailop wrote: On 2021-02-08 16:14, Bill Cole via mailop wrote: [...] The "de-tagging" tactic that Al noted has existed, although I don't see much evidence of it in recent years. I think it may be that enough people who use tagged addresses give tagged

Re: [mailop] [E] Re: Some Days I think that Gmail isn't even trying to stop outbound spam..

2021-02-08 Thread Dave Warren via mailop
On 2021-02-08 16:14, Bill Cole via mailop wrote: On 8 Feb 2021, at 17:03, Richard Bewley via mailop wrote: The critical feature in '+' tagging (and equivalents using other characters or patterns) is the ability to create aliases on-the-fly in a namespace that the user controls such that the

Re: [mailop] [E] Re: Some Days I think that Gmail isn't even trying to stop outbound spam..

2021-02-08 Thread Dave Warren via mailop
On 2021-02-08 15:03, Richard Bewley via mailop wrote: Only this weekend I was trying to help an old colleague with a migration from Gsuite to M365. The #1 complaint... was some of his minions were seemingly crippled by the lack of this function.. and I was thinking err aliases? Aliases?

Re: [mailop] [E] Re: Some Days I think that Gmail isn't even trying to stop outbound spam..

2021-02-08 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 8 Feb 2021, at 17:03, Richard Bewley via mailop wrote: +1 to Al. (no pun intended for the '+'.) Only this weekend I was trying to help an old colleague with a migration from Gsuite to M365. The #1 complaint... was some of his minions were seemingly crippled by the lack of this function..

Re: [mailop] [E] Re: Some Days I think that Gmail isn't even trying to stop outbound spam..

2021-02-08 Thread Richard Bewley via mailop
+1 to Al. (no pun intended for the '+'.) Only this weekend I was trying to help an old colleague with a migration from Gsuite to M365. The #1 complaint... was some of his minions were seemingly crippled by the lack of this function.. and I was thinking err aliases? Aliases? At least I am

Re: [mailop] [E] Re: Some Days I think that Gmail isn't even trying to stop outbound spam..

2021-02-08 Thread Al Iverson via mailop
I'm going to go wide (and unpopular) on this one and say that this is just another reason address plussing is crappy. Even the desired use case is very easily exploited. Bad guys can just strip the +tag and then you lose your visibility into where they got the address from. I guess if it's all

Re: [mailop] Microsoft antispam

2021-02-08 Thread Ale via mailop
It's a testing server at ... Hetzner. So, yeah, good luck. Unfortunately getting mail accepted at MS or Google from a new VPS seems to be nearly impossible. I would love to be proved wrong, though, by those more knowledgeable. I'm not expert on these kind of things. I've a direct friend who

Re: [mailop] Microsoft antispam

2021-02-08 Thread Evert Mouw via mailop
Hi Ale, On 08/02/2021 14.09, Ale via mailop wrote: I will see what happens until June, when my domain expires. If the problem will persist, I'm gonna contact them and eventually change domain and IP. According to https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/78.14.94.161 You are on ADSL, probably with

Re: [mailop] [E] Re: Some Days I think that Gmail isn't even trying to stop outbound spam..

2021-02-08 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
Didn't take Google spammers long to figure out using + addressing to try and get by spam filters.. or personal block lists.. Return-Path: From: "Bitcoin Trader" Judging by volume, I am sure that there are no sane rate limiters in place.. I would think that any use of a + address,

Re: [mailop] Microsoft antispam

2021-02-08 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
On 2021-02-08 7:37 a.m., Alan Hodgson via mailop wrote: Unfortunately getting mail accepted at MS or Google from a new VPS seems to be nearly impossible. I would love to be proved wrong, though, by those more knowledgeable. Probably depends on the network reputation where the VPS is located.

Re: [mailop] Microsoft antispam

2021-02-08 Thread Alan Hodgson via mailop
On Mon, 2021-02-08 at 14:09 +0100, Ale via mailop wrote: > > Being "properly configured" these days entails needing many things > > that you didn't say. Forward-Reverse-DNS, SPF, DKIM, DMARC just for > > starters. And then more in other places. > > > Impossible to know and so impossible to say.

Re: [mailop] Microsoft antispam

2021-02-08 Thread Ale via mailop
Being "properly configured" these days entails needing many things that you didn't say. Forward-Reverse-DNS, SPF, DKIM, DMARC just for starters. And then more in other places. Impossible to know and so impossible to say. It's a private 3rd party reputation scoring system in use. Hello,

Re: [mailop] Microsoft antispam

2021-02-08 Thread André Peters via mailop
It also heavily depends on the ASN. It is the most ridiculous filter mechanism I ever came across. We had a whole ASN blocked and waited for weeks until it was removed from their list. No information which system triggered it. We never found a reason nor were we given a reason by MS. If they