Re: [mailop] The oligopoly has won.

2022-09-17 Thread Kai 'wusel' Siering via mailop
Am 14.09.22 um 03:32 schrieb Jarland Donnell via mailop: I can't block Gmail IPs, at all. It's on average 48% of who my clients communicate with. While they may be sympathetic to the fact that an IP of theirs sent spam, they will not hold anyone accountable for their missed email but me. So

Re: [mailop] DMARC Stockholm syndrome, Reject vs spam folders

2022-09-17 Thread Dave Crocker via mailop
On 9/16/2022 7:35 PM, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: For 30 years, we allowed mailing lists to modify messages and take partial "ownership" of them (the mailing list gets the * Small factual nit:  Networked email was 50 years old, last year.  Mailing lists appeared almost immediately

Re: [mailop] The oligopoly has won.

2022-09-17 Thread Steven Champeon via mailop
on Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 04:54:30PM -0700, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: > These numbers are also worse than when I worked on Gmail years ago, but > it's always possible things got worse. I know I am a tiny speck, but as just another data point, I'm looking at a folder full of spam with 731

Re: [mailop] DMARC Stockholm syndrome, Reject vs spam folders

2022-09-17 Thread Jim Popovitch via mailop
On Sat, 2022-09-17 at 11:48 +0200, Alessandro Vesely via mailop wrote: > > Yes, ARC can fix what DMARC broke. You must be new around here :) If ARC is fixing what DMARC broke, and DMARC was to fix what DKIM broke, and DKIM was to fix what SPF broke, and SPF was to fix (what was SPF suppose to

Re: [mailop] starttls-virginia.securing-email.com 34.227.19.103

2022-09-17 Thread Tobias Geerinckx-Rice via mailop
Simon Arlott via mailop 写道: I think it's just a coincidence that the one you mention is named "virginia" because it's hosted at AWS. I don't think this is vt.edu. From : ”StartTLS Scanner is a project of Virginia Tech .”

Re: [mailop] DMARC Stockholm syndrome, Reject vs spam folders

2022-09-17 Thread Alessandro Vesely via mailop
On Sat 17/Sep/2022 04:46:58 +0200 John R Levine via mailop wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Brandon Long wrote: For thirty years we all used mailing lists that didn't mess with the author's name or address but the reason we added the signature and linkage was because of bad actors, and the number

Re: [mailop] starttls-virginia.securing-email.com 34.227.19.103

2022-09-17 Thread Simon Arlott via mailop
On 16/09/2022 04:46, Bill Cole via mailop wrote: >> Anyone recognize them? > > Looks like the same vt.edu bozos who have at least 2 prior rounds of bad > research behavior. I've blocked them previously: 2020-03-17 3.104.129.119 comment "proxy-research.com" 2020-03-17 15.164.73.143 comment

Re: [mailop] DMARC Stockholm syndrome, Reject vs spam folders

2022-09-17 Thread Slavko via mailop
Dňa 17. septembra 2022 2:35:42 UTC používateľ Brandon Long via mailop napísal: >So, while AOL & Yahoo were the vanguard for mass consumer providers, the >problems were already being experienced by many corporate domains >before that, and even more since. That all is acceptable and i fully