Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL]Re: Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster) --> "Junk (suspected)" as preferred folder nam

2024-02-02 Thread Randolf Richardson, Postmaster via mailop
> On 1/29/2024 3:20 AM, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote: > > > A very experienced spam filter person, who worked at a not-for-profit > > spam filtering company and two of the major mailbox providers once > > told me that the biggest challenge with their job was that there were > > messages that

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL]Re: Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

2024-02-02 Thread Michael Sofka via mailop
On 1/29/2024 3:20 AM, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote: A very experienced spam filter person, who worked at a not-for-profit spam filtering company and two of the major mailbox providers once told me that the biggest challenge with their job was that there were messages that some recipients

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

2024-01-30 Thread Laura Atkins via mailop
> On 29 Jan 2024, at 18:02, Todd Herr via mailop wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 12:24 PM Scott Mutter via mailop > wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 10:01 AM Todd Herr via mailop > > wrote: >>> Users can only click "This is spam" on

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

2024-01-29 Thread Todd Herr via mailop
On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 12:24 PM Scott Mutter via mailop wrote: > On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 10:01 AM Todd Herr via mailop > wrote: > >> Users can only click "This is spam" on messages that end up in their >> inbox. If all of your traffic went to the spam folder, perhaps because it >> was

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

2024-01-29 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 10:01 AM Todd Herr via mailop wrote: > Users can only click "This is spam" on messages that end up in their > inbox. If all of your traffic went to the spam folder, perhaps because it > was unfortunately remarkably similar to previous traffic that was deemed > spam, you

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

2024-01-29 Thread Todd Herr via mailop
On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 10:51 AM Scott Mutter via mailop wrote: > > It would also give feedback to spammers allowing them to fine-tune their > > messages to avoid getting flagged. > > What about feedback loops? Don't those also fall into the category of > aiding the spammer? But they are also

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

2024-01-29 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
> It would also give feedback to spammers allowing them to fine-tune their > messages to avoid getting flagged. What about feedback loops? Don't those also fall into the category of aiding the spammer? But they are also a tool for legitimate mail server administrators to combat spam on their

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

2024-01-29 Thread Brotman, Alex via mailop
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Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

2024-01-29 Thread Brotman, Alex via mailop
& Messaging Policy Comcast From: mailop On Behalf Of Scott Mutter via mailop Sent: Monday, January 29, 2024 12:44 AM To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [mailop] Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster) What if the receiving mail server tagged the message in some way in their f