Re: [mailop] Opinions? Email Abuse over TOR Network? (spamtraps)

2020-02-24 Thread Francois Petillon via mailop
On 2/22/20 7:47 PM, Alessandro Vesely via mailop wrote: > Even without 2FA, a password different from "12345" is probably desperately > hard to guess. _No_ When users tend to re-use the same password on different web sites or a slightly different password from site to site, guessing a password

Re: [mailop] Opinions? Email Abuse over TOR Network? (spamtraps)

2020-02-24 Thread Alessandro Vesely via mailop
On Mon 24/Feb/2020 10:32:59 +0100 Andrew C Aitchison wrote: > On Fri, 21 Feb 2020, Alessandro Vesely via mailop wrote: > >> I'm still puzzled by that Emerald Onion Repeat Infringer >> Termination Policy. >> >> Perhaps, they have a real time incident reporting system >> to catch miscreants. > > I

Re: [mailop] Opinions? Email Abuse over TOR Network? (spamtraps)

2020-02-24 Thread Andrew C Aitchison via mailop
On Fri, 21 Feb 2020, Alessandro Vesely via mailop wrote: I'm still puzzled by that Emerald Onion Repeat Infringer Termination Policy. Perhaps, they have a real time incident reporting system to catch miscreants. I assumed it was what they want to do, not what they can do. If it isn't in the

Re: [mailop] Opinions? Email Abuse over TOR Network? (spamtraps)

2020-02-23 Thread Philip Paeps via mailop
On 2020-02-22 02:57:09 (+0800), Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: Consider how you would safely block the bad guys, yet let the good guys still use the service. Which brings me to my favorite topic, 2FA for IMAP/SMTP Auth, as many of you know.. (we talk about CLIENTID often enough). Isn't

Re: [mailop] Opinions? Email Abuse over TOR Network? (spamtraps)

2020-02-22 Thread Alessandro Vesely via mailop
Even without 2FA, a password different from "12345" is probably desperately hard to guess. An activity suited for bots running at someone else's expenses. Best Ale On Fri 21/Feb/2020 19:57:09 +0100 Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: > For the record, (just back from M3AAWG, what a great

Re: [mailop] Opinions? Email Abuse over TOR Network? (spamtraps)

2020-02-21 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
For the record, (just back from M3AAWG, what a great event) AUTH attacks from Tor networks ARE a thing. While it might seem that the number of attacks from Tor Nodes, vs legitimate AUTH requests from people that like using Tor for everything is really one sided.. (Don't get me wrong, even

Re: [mailop] Opinions? Email Abuse over TOR Network? (spamtraps)

2020-02-21 Thread Alessandro Vesely via mailop
Hi, On Thu 20/Feb/2020 11:02:47 +0100 Benoit Panizzon via mailop wrote: > > The Spamtrap / HoneyPot in question not only listens to port 25 but also > listens on port 465 (smtps) and 587 (submission). > > If an attacker is doing some dictionary attack on this to check for > valid passwords

Re: [mailop] Opinions? Email Abuse over TOR Network? (spamtraps)

2020-02-21 Thread Alessandro Vesely via mailop
Hi, On Thu 20/Feb/2020 11:02:47 +0100 Benoit Panizzon via mailop wrote: > > The Spamtrap / HoneyPot in question not only listens to port 25 but also > listens on port 465 (smtps) and 587 (submission). > > If an attacker is doing some dictionary attack on this to check for > valid passwords

Re: [mailop] Opinions? Email Abuse over TOR Network? (spamtraps)

2020-02-20 Thread Grant Taylor via mailop
On 2/20/20 5:51 AM, Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop wrote: This is probably a reasonable way of dealing with the problem. TOR exit nodes are somewhat like dynamic IP addresses - you will get a lot of dictionary attacks and similar stuff, and you can just block off any non-authenticated non-http

Re: [mailop] Opinions? Email Abuse over TOR Network? (spamtraps)

2020-02-20 Thread Grant Taylor via mailop
On 2/20/20 3:02 AM, Benoit Panizzon via mailop wrote: Hi Hi, The Spamtrap / HoneyPot in question not only listens to port 25 but also listens on port 465 (smtps) and 587 (submission). Okay. It sounds like your spam trap / honey pot is designed to detect IPs that are perpetrating abusive

Re: [mailop] Opinions? Email Abuse over TOR Network? (spamtraps)

2020-02-20 Thread Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop
Am 20.02.2020 11:02, schrieb Benoit Panizzon via mailop: But I guess, just silently blacklisting Tor exist nodes and not sending a ARF report to the ISP could be an option to solve that issue. This is probably a reasonable way of dealing with the problem. TOR exit nodes are somewhat like

Re: [mailop] Opinions? Email Abuse over TOR Network? (spamtraps)

2020-02-20 Thread Laura Atkins via mailop
Totally your call, but there is a LOT of AUTH abuse going on. If folks are mad that their TOR nodes are getting reported for abuse, well… thems the breaks. I get it, TOR is useful and there are legitimate reasons to use TOR. Probing ports and attempting to crack passwords is not what I

Re: [mailop] Opinions? Email Abuse over TOR Network? (spamtraps)

2020-02-20 Thread Benoit Panizzon via mailop
Hi Just a clarification on the issue, as we just got a 2nd similar complaint from another Tor Exit node operator (obviously same attacker being routed through another exit, guessing from the involved email addresses). The Spamtrap / HoneyPot in question not only listens to port 25 but also

Re: [mailop] Opinions? Email Abuse over TOR Network? (spamtraps)

2020-02-19 Thread Grant Taylor via mailop
On 2/17/20 2:35 AM, Benoit Panizzon via mailop wrote: Now I got into discussion with the operator of several TOR exit nodes. He claims that his ISP threatened to disconnect his TOR servers because they were subject to a couple of abuse complaints from our spamtraps. It sound to me like /he/

Re: [mailop] Opinions? Email Abuse over TOR Network? (spamtraps)

2020-02-18 Thread Aaron Richton via mailop
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020, Matt Palmer via mailop wrote: great, but it's an unfortunate side-effect of providing anonymity. Frankly, if you were feeling up to the job of scripting it, pre-emptively putting all Tor exit nodes which allow connections to port 25 in your RBL would not be a bad idea

Re: [mailop] Opinions? Email Abuse over TOR Network? (spamtraps)

2020-02-17 Thread Matt Palmer via mailop
[side note: I run Tor middle-nodes and bridges, although I do not have the intestinal fortitude -- or a suitably supportive ISP -- to run an exit node] On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 10:35:45AM +0100, Benoit Panizzon via mailop wrote: > Occasionally, spam or more often, log-in attempts and dictionary >

Re: [mailop] Opinions? Email Abuse over TOR Network? (spamtraps)

2020-02-17 Thread Alessandro Vesely via mailop
Hi, On Mon 17/Feb/2020 10:35:45 +0100 Benoit Panizzon via mailop wrote: > > We operate Spamtraps which feed the SWINOG Anti-Spam Blacklist. > > A feedback loop is sent to the abuse-c of the IP Address from which > email or attackts to spamtraps was detected. > > Occasionally, spam or more

[mailop] Opinions? Email Abuse over TOR Network? (spamtraps)

2020-02-17 Thread Benoit Panizzon via mailop
Dear List We operate Spamtraps which feed the SWINOG Anti-Spam Blacklist. A feedback loop is sent to the abuse-c of the IP Address from which email or attackts to spamtraps was detected. Occasionally, spam or more often, log-in attempts and dictionary attacks on the submission ports of the