Re: [mailop] Walled gardens

2022-02-03 Thread Mickey Chandler via mailop
On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 5:50 PM yuv via mailop wrote: > > > Not law, documentation. RFC5321 describes the state of SMTP, as of > > 2008, sorta. How it was working best then, to the degree that the > > editor and authors could reach consensus. The changes from 2821 to > > 5321 are clarifications,

Re: [mailop] Walled gardens

2022-02-02 Thread yuv via mailop
Sorry for the late reply, Bill. Life. In absence of external governance factors, I can only self-govern. I decided to self-govern toward co-operation rather than confrontation, let's work through the little misunderstandings. On Thu, 2021-12-30 at 11:29 -0500, Bill Cole via mailop wrote: > On

Re: [mailop] Walled gardens

2021-12-30 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 2021-12-29 at 07:40:01 UTC-0500 (Wed, 29 Dec 2021 07:40:01 -0500) yuv via mailop is rumored to have said: On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 21:59 -0500, John Levine via mailop wrote: It appears that yuv via mailop said: The first thing to make internet email viable for the future is to establish a

Re: [mailop] Walled gardens

2021-12-30 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 2021-12-28 at 21:59:10 UTC-0500 (28 Dec 2021 21:59:10 -0500) John Levine via mailop is rumored to have said: It appears that yuv via mailop said: The first thing to make internet email viable for the future is to establish a defensible perimeter and keep bad actors out. Easier said

Re: [mailop] Walled gardens

2021-12-29 Thread Dave Crocker via mailop
On 12/29/2021 4:40 AM, yuv via mailop wrote: Unfortunately, e-mail walled gardens are a Well Known Bad Idea. RFCs-based e-mail is a walled garden. We lawyers call this the Rule of Law. That's very creative. Not what is normally meant, and not even slightly useful. But very creative.

Re: [mailop] Walled gardens

2021-12-29 Thread yuv via mailop
On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 21:59 -0500, John Levine via mailop wrote: > It appears that yuv via mailop said: > > The first thing to make internet email viable for the future is to > > establish a defensible perimeter and keep bad actors out. Easier > > said > > than done. ... > > Unfortunately,

Re: [mailop] Walled gardens

2021-12-28 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that yuv via mailop said: >The first thing to make internet email viable for the future is to >establish a defensible perimeter and keep bad actors out. Easier said >than done. ... Unfortunately, e-mail walled gardens are a Well Known Bad Idea. The short version is that any