Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-21 Thread Michael Rathbun
On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 22:40:57 +0200, Thomas Walter wrote: >As a "free" mail system provider, I'd disable those abandoned accounts >and not rely on the email senders to track their recipients and stop >sending mails. > >Is there anything wrong with telling the sender: "550 Mailbox abandoned >for X

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-21 Thread Thomas Walter
On 21.04.19 22:21, Michael Rathbun wrote: > That's your option, certainly. However, if you run a large "free" mail > system, > > o you discover that up to 80% of the mail you finally accept, filter and > deliver (store) goes to accounts that have been abandoned. You paid to > analyze,

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-21 Thread Michael Rathbun
On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 21:39:48 +0200, Thomas Walter wrote: >And force people like me to resubscribe every 90 to 180 days, because I >don't allow tracking nonsense in emails? That's your option, certainly. However, if you run a large "free" mail system, o you discover that up to 80% of the mail

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-21 Thread Thomas Walter
On 21.04.19 21:15, Michael Rathbun wrote: > Check whether your "non-spam" email is sent only to accounts that have > subscribed, opened or clicked in the last 90 to 180 days. Utterly and > absolutely suppress EVERY record that fails that test. It is becoming more > and more difficult simply to

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-21 Thread Michael Rathbun
On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 04:52:42 +, Sébastien Riccio wrote: >We noticed that near 100% of the complaints are legit mails, almost none of >them are real SPAM. Here's another real-world perspective: I have an antique Yahoo! account that still, after 25 inactive years, gets a wide variety of

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-21 Thread G. Miliotis
On 21/4/2019 07:52, Sébastien Riccio wrote: We also receive sometime a batch of complaints from the same outlook.com recipient, for mails dated a few years ago. Like if the user was doing some cleanup in his inbox and instead of deleting message he declares them as .. guess it... junk! This

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-21 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >We noticed that near 100% of the complaints are legit mails, almost none of >them are real SPAM. If you don't send much spam, that's typical. On my small system, nearly all of the spam reports are people who apparently want to leave a discussion list about folk dancing.

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-21 Thread John Levine
In article <91d42e7a8e5a4f11a460e310ab40d...@ex1.obs.local> you write: >How is the filter relevant here ? Doesn't that shows there are some special >treatment/whitelisting agreement between big ESP? No, it means that Gmail sends vast amounts of mail and most of it is not spam. A one message