Re: [mailop] Is there any analysis on root causes of mail account break-ins?

2021-11-17 Thread Francois Petillon via mailop
On 11/17/21 9:12 PM, Jarland Donnell via mailop wrote: > If you can get the passwords that are going around in these database dumps and > compare them to email accounts in your system, test those passwords against > their email accounts using automation, and then force a password change it if >

Re: [mailop] Is there any analysis on root causes of mail account break-ins?

2021-11-17 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Another thing that people maybe haven't thought of, and it's actually a wider issue than just email password compromises. A lot of people just don't care that much about their password security. The thinking is "what's someone going to do if they can log into my email account and read my emails?"

Re: [mailop] Is there any analysis on root causes of mail account break-ins?

2021-11-17 Thread Jay Hennigan via mailop
On 11/17/21 00:10, Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop wrote: Here I want to focus on hacked mail accounts. I can think of two major root causes but I have no idea about their relative significance: * Easily guessable passwords, with two subcauses for exploits: o Brute force authentication

Re: [mailop] Is there any analysis on root causes of mail account break-ins?

2021-11-17 Thread Jarland Donnell via mailop
There's an idea I've been toying with for a long time, and it's not particularly revolutionary. But almost no one is doing it this specifically, and I think it would be an excellent show of competency for anyone willing to go that slightly extra mile. If you can get the passwords that are

Re: [mailop] Is there any analysis on root causes of mail account break-ins?

2021-11-17 Thread Slavko via mailop
Hi, Dňa Wed, 17 Nov 2021 13:31:50 -0600 Scott Mutter via mailop napísal: > Unless you are sending an encrypted password to your mail server (in > which case, the compromiser still has the necessary to log into your > email account) then this has to be decrypted some how by the email >

Re: [mailop] Is there any analysis on root causes of mail account break-ins?

2021-11-17 Thread Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop
Thanks everybody for your insights and additional thoughts to consider. Indeed I didn't think of the phishing and password re-use scenarios, which are certainly responsible for quite a number of mail account hacks. My goal is to have some possibilities to list when contacting admins of systems

Re: [mailop] Is there any analysis on root causes of mail account break-ins?

2021-11-17 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
>If one use good email client/browser, locally stored passwords are not a > problem as they are encrypted Unless you are sending an encrypted password to your mail server (in which case, the compromiser still has the necessary to log into your email account) then this has to be decrypted some how

Re: [mailop] Mail.ru new network range and TLSRPT support

2021-11-17 Thread Tobias Herkula via mailop
Do you have any changes for the DKIM signing Domains? We currently have mail.ru, bk.ru, list.ru, internet.ru, inbox.ru and mail.ua on record for your system. Tobias Herkula -- Senior Product Owner Mail Security Product Mail Platform 1&1 Mail & Media GmbH | Mitte | 10115 Berlin | Deutschland

Re: [mailop] Is there any analysis on root causes of mail account break-ins?

2021-11-17 Thread Slavko via mailop
Ahoj, Dňa Wed, 17 Nov 2021 11:51:46 -0600 Scott Mutter via mailop napísal: > Don't forget local compromises - keyloggers, spyware, and other > malware - running on an end-user's system. If one use good email client/browser, locally stored passwords are not a problem as they are encrypted:

Re: [mailop] Is there any analysis on root causes of mail account break-ins?

2021-11-17 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Don't forget local compromises - keyloggers, spyware, and other malware - running on an end-user's system. If you are checking your email with an email client and not entering your password every time you check for mail (which most of us don't do) then the password to your email is stored some

Re: [mailop] Is there any analysis on root causes of mail account break-ins?

2021-11-17 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Bill Cole via mailop said: >Who needs to bother with brute force "cracking" when so many passwords >are just out there for the taking? Botnets. My MTA accepts any login, says it works, and directs any subsequent mail to the spamtrap. Here's attempts from the last 20 minutes.

Re: [mailop] EMOTET alive again.. (was) Is there any analysis on root causes of mail account break-ins?

2021-11-17 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
And speaking of phishing, since I haven't seen in mentioned on this list yet, as of Nov. 15th, it appears that EMOTET is now live again. As many of you know, EMOTET was very damaging, because of it's unique phishing techniques, eg they would compromise one account, then they would strip all

Re: [mailop] Is there any analysis on root causes of mail account break-ins?

2021-11-17 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 2021-11-17 at 03:10:13 UTC-0500 (Wed, 17 Nov 2021 09:10:13 +0100) Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop is rumored to have said: Hi folks, I'm trying to understand the root causes and vulnerabilities that lead to hacked mailboxes. Currently, we can handle dynamic IP ranges pretty well, and we

[mailop] Beta domain block list testing

2021-11-17 Thread Matthew Stith via mailop
Hey there Mailop folks, Spamhaus would like to invite the MailOP community to test our beta domain blocklists with hostnames. We’ve developed this version of the DBL to provide increased accuracy when using the abused-legit component of the DBL (listings of compromised websites).  

Re: [mailop] Is there any analysis on root causes of mail account break-ins?

2021-11-17 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
Yes, people do research these things.. (Which reminds me, I do have to finish that blog post on Best Practices for ISP's and Telco's) Fortunately, we not only provide email servers, but we have a threat division as well, so we take a lot of time to look into these issues. I will send you a

[mailop] Technical contact for docuguide.com issues?

2021-11-17 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt via mailop
Does anybody have a competent technical contact for docuguide.com issues? (DKIM/DMARC issue with a customer domain...) Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Campus Benjamin Franklin (CBF) Haus I | 1. OG | Raum 105 Hindenburgdamm 30 |

[mailop] Mail.ru new network range and TLSRPT support

2021-11-17 Thread Vladimir Dubrovin via mailop
1. Mail.ru starts using 45.84.128.0/23 for webmail traffic, please update your ratelimits / rule descriptions 2. We have recently implemented TLS reporting with MTA-STS supported, please let me know if you see any issues with it. -- Vladimir Dubrovin Technical advisor @ Mail.ru

Re: [mailop] Is there any analysis on root causes of mail account break-ins?

2021-11-17 Thread Francois Petillon via mailop
On 11/17/21 9:10 AM, Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop wrote: > Here I want to focus on hacked mail accounts. I can think of two major root > causes but I have no idea about their relative significance: >  * Easily guessable passwords, with two subcauses for exploits: > o Brute force

[mailop] Is there any analysis on root causes of mail account break-ins?

2021-11-17 Thread Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop
Hi folks, I'm trying to understand the root causes and vulnerabilities that lead to hacked mailboxes. Currently, we can handle dynamic IP ranges pretty well, and we have an extensive list of network ranges whose owner are spammers or knowingly accept spammers as customers. So what mainly