Re: [mailop] is warming IPs still necessary?

2024-03-25 Thread Michael Rathbun via mailop
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 15:58:33 -0700, Gerald Oskoboiny via mailop wrote: >Is it still necessary to warm up new IP addresses gradually >instead of going directly to this volume of deliveries? My >impression is that it's less and less necessary in the age of >DMARC, SPF and DKIM. The rule that

Re: [mailop] Debt Collection Client Email Servers

2024-03-25 Thread Michael Rathbun via mailop
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 23:21:51 +, Matt Palmer via mailop wrote: >That's some mighty early adoption you've got there. Yeah. I'm gonna have my cataract surgery in a couple weeks. Meanwhile, the correct number is 1996. Fytu, mdr ___ mailop

Re: [mailop] is warming IPs still necessary?

2024-03-25 Thread Mark Fletcher via mailop
On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 4:30 PM Gerald Oskoboiny via mailop < mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > We are planning to move the system that hosts our email > discussion lists from its old home where it has been for decades > to an EC2 instance on AWS. It does about 15k deliveries per day, > most of which

Re: [mailop] is warming IPs still necessary?

2024-03-25 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
Your biggest threat is hosting on AWS.. Given the nature of EC2, you want to ensure that the IPs you are using are not in the midst of some abusive IPs, and AWS is still not providing public 'rwhois' delegation to our knowledge. Make sure that you have a correct PTR record of course, the

Re: [mailop] Debt Collection Client Email Servers

2024-03-25 Thread Matt Palmer via mailop
On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 12:39:04PM -0500, Michael Rathbun via mailop wrote: > an account that I established at Yahoo! in 1986 That's some mighty early adoption you've got there. - Matt ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org

[mailop] is warming IPs still necessary?

2024-03-25 Thread Gerald Oskoboiny via mailop
We are planning to move the system that hosts our email discussion lists from its old home where it has been for decades to an EC2 instance on AWS. It does about 15k deliveries per day, most of which go to gmail or google-hosted email systems. Is it still necessary to warm up new IP addresses

Re: [mailop] Debt Collection Client Email Servers

2024-03-25 Thread Michael Irvine via mailop
Thank you everyone. Is there any recommendation on other 3rd party senders that can be trusted instead of SendGrid. My last resort will be to setup some MTA's with the few free IP they have from the Datacenter. I also understand that the client is in the middle of a catch-22 in terms of

Re: [mailop] Debt Collection Client Email Servers

2024-03-25 Thread Jay Hennigan via mailop
On 3/22/24 14:58, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: If they are 'dedicated', doesn't matter if they are coming from SendGrid, the PTR should reflect your clients domain. host 149.72.234.90 90.234.72.149.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer wrqvzxrx.outbound-mail.sendgrid.net. If Sendgrid

Re: [mailop] Debt Collection Client Email Servers

2024-03-25 Thread Michael Rathbun via mailop
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 15:47:11 +, Michael Irvine via mailop wrote: >I can't say the specific lenders, but I can say that it is not just bank and >money lending. We have clients who are from the courts and other 3rd parties >that do not fully validate the email that is given to them. We still

Re: [mailop] Debt Collection Client Email Servers

2024-03-25 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 2024-03-25 at 12:53:31 UTC-0400 (Mon, 25 Mar 2024 17:53:31 +0100) Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop is rumored to have said: Does USA have a government-certfied platform for electronic delivery of documents Not for general use. The IRS is piloting a direct tax filing system for a small number of

Re: [mailop] Debt Collection Client Email Servers

2024-03-25 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop said: >Does USA have a government-certfied platform for electronic delivery of >documents (like many European countries have) ... No, and given the political structure here, we never will. We do have a post office which delivers mail reliably to every

Re: [mailop] Debt Collection Client Email Servers

2024-03-25 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Michael Irvine via mailop said: >I can't say the specific lenders, but I can say that it is not just bank and >money lending. We have clients who are from the courts and other 3rd parties >that do >not fully validate the email that is given to them. We still must take it as

Re: [mailop] Debt Collection Client Email Servers

2024-03-25 Thread Graeme Fowler via mailop
On 25 Mar 2024, at 16:53, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: > > Does USA have a government-certfied platform for electronic delivery of > documents (like many European countries have) where every person can create > a "trusted account" ("trusted" means the identity of the person is confirmed > in

Re: [mailop] Debt Collection Client Email Servers

2024-03-25 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 2024-03-25 at 11:47:11 UTC-0400 (Mon, 25 Mar 2024 15:47:11 +) Michael Irvine via mailop is rumored to have said: how can we guarantee it to the inbox if many of the users mark it as SPAM and potentially blocks other communication. You cannot. The fact that you have an email address is

Re: [mailop] Debt Collection Client Email Servers

2024-03-25 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 25.03.2024 o godz. 16:10:47 Rob Kendrick via mailop pisze: > > The problem I am trying to fix is that these are legal emails and I > > need a way to signal that to the providers. With many states and USA > > government stating that email is a legal form of communication, how > > can we

Re: [mailop] Debt Collection Client Email Servers

2024-03-25 Thread Louis Laureys via mailop
> how can we guarantee it to the inbox You can't. Anecdotally: Any legal mail I've received just notifies me of a URL I need to click. Upon clicking that URL, the sender is notified I've opened the document. If I never open the document they can assume it has never arrived (or I have never

Re: [mailop] Debt Collection Client Email Servers

2024-03-25 Thread Rob Kendrick via mailop
On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 03:47:11PM +, Michael Irvine via mailop wrote: > The problem I am trying to fix is that these are legal emails and I > need a way to signal that to the providers. With many states and USA > government stating that email is a legal form of communication, how > can we

Re: [mailop] Debt Collection Client Email Servers

2024-03-25 Thread Michael Irvine via mailop
I can't say the specific lenders, but I can say that it is not just bank and money lending. We have clients who are from the courts and other 3rd parties that do not fully validate the email that is given to them. We still must take it as there are no good ways to get the correct known email

Re: [mailop] Debt Collection Client Email Servers

2024-03-25 Thread Richard W via mailop
One also has to consider the quality of the data received. What kind of lender would accept an email address such as hotm...@hotmail.com as legit? (not the real address I'm seeing on mail from the noted IP addresses, but similar). Richard On 2024-03-25 6:50 a.m., Kent McGovern via mailop

Re: [mailop] Debt Collection Client Email Servers

2024-03-25 Thread Kent McGovern via mailop
"Biggest issue we have is that the number of false spam complaints due to the nature of the industry." They aren't false spam complaints in the eyes of the people receiving the email. Kent McGovern On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 10:52 PM Michael Irvine via mailop < mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > Thank

Re: [mailop] Debt Collection Client Email Servers

2024-03-25 Thread Marco Moock via mailop
Am 22.03.2024 um 19:07:00 Uhr schrieb Michael Irvine via mailop: > NOTE: IPs are dedicated from SendGrid Sendgrid is a company that at least doesn't care about abuse from their systems. Assume that they are listed at various dnsbl or manually blocked by postmasters. -- Gruß Marco Send