Re: [mailop] change at gmail???

2016-06-16 Thread Shawn K. Hall
> I guess what I'm trying to understand is why anyone would > base their acceptance or rejection on the 822 From: header. > It seems that this causes mailing list managers to have to > jump through hoops to rewrite the From: header in strange ways. Mostly because there are other reasons to

Re: [mailop] "One-Click" List-Unsubscribe URIs

2016-06-10 Thread Shawn K. Hall
> You demonstrated the need for a flag day when you stated that > the ESPs need to give the ISPs "a hint" that things are > changing. Expecting every ESP to contact every ISP is ridiculous. No, what he said was that ESPs *could* give a hint. All RFCs and IETF recommendations are just that -

Re: [mailop] "One-Click" List-Unsubscribe URIs

2016-06-09 Thread Shawn K. Hall
+1. This was what I was thinking when I read it, too. -S > -Original Message- > From: mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] On Behalf Of > John Levine > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 09:11 > To: mailop@mailop.org > Cc: tobias.herk...@optivo.de > Subject: Re: [mailop] "One-Click"

Re: [mailop] Microsoft/Hotmail discards mails

2016-06-09 Thread Shawn K. Hall
> You're saying that, simply because a sender or recipient > MIGHT be in Germany, that my US-based mail server has to send > an NDR? And risk getting added to a "backscatter" RBL? No, you also have the option of delivering it to the user in a method that equates to delivery, such as delivering