Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-20 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 19.12.2019 o godz. 13:02:00 Philip Paeps via mailop pisze: > > Hrm. So potentially, if Davmail jumps through Google's hoops, one > could point fetchmail at Davmail... Definitely Davmail in it's current state can't do it, as it's targeted to talk to Exchange only. It would need an additional

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-18 Thread Philip Paeps via mailop
On 2019-12-18 18:57:09 (+0800), Ken O'Driscoll via mailop wrote: On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 17:45 -0800, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: If you wanted something, you'd probably want a proxy, something that speaks enough IMAP to do LOGIN/AUTHENTICATE, then re-login to Gmail with OAUTHBEARER, and then

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-18 Thread Ken O'Driscoll via mailop
On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 17:45 -0800, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: > If you wanted something, you'd probably want a proxy, something that > speaks enough IMAP to do LOGIN/AUTHENTICATE, then re-login to > Gmail with OAUTHBEARER, and then just be a pass through. We do something > similar for the reve

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-18 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 18.12.2019 o godz. 10:18:33 Ken O'Driscoll via mailop pisze: > > I've used Evolution (which talks GOA) for years with multiple G Suite > accounts and it works like a treat. And that's in a work capacity, not as a > home user/hobbyist so I'm unforgiving of problems. Nice to hear that. Until n

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-18 Thread Ken O'Driscoll via mailop
On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 22:30 +0100, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: > Do any Windows/Linux/MacOS email clients currently support OAuth "out of > the box"? > If not, that's basically cutting nearly everybody using regular IMAP > email clients off of G Suite... For Linux, the Gnome Online Accounts su

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-17 Thread Hokan via mailop
App Passwords weren't mentioned and so will still be usable, I guess, for folks who can't use OAuth. https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 01:20:04PM -0600, Al Iverson via mailop wrote: > Google is announcing that in the future, G-Suite accounts will not

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-17 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
Yes, in order to use oauth for mail scopes, you need a token by registering with the Google API console. That token can be used by a limited number of users (who will go through a scarey interstitial) unless your app passes the security approval process. It's currently limited to 100 users. Mail

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-17 Thread Bron Gondwana via mailop
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019, at 08:56, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 1:30 PM Jaroslaw Rafa wrote: >> Dnia 16.12.2019 o godz. 12:42:29 Brandon Long via mailop pisze: >> > Here's the announcement post: >> > >> https://gsuiteupdates.googleblog.com/2019/12/less-secure-apps-oauth

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-17 Thread Philip Paeps via mailop
On 2019-12-17 18:08:03 (+0800), Andrew C Aitchison wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2019, Philip Paeps via mailop wrote: On 2019-12-17 03:20:04 (+0800), Al Iverson via mailop wrote: Google is announcing that in the future, G-Suite accounts will not support LSA (Less Secure Access) account connection funct

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-17 Thread Andrew C Aitchison via mailop
On Tue, 17 Dec 2019, Philip Paeps via mailop wrote: On 2019-12-17 03:20:04 (+0800), Al Iverson via mailop wrote: Google is announcing that in the future, G-Suite accounts will not support LSA (Less Secure Access) account connection functionality. This will put an end to accessing your Gmail a

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-17 Thread Philip Paeps via mailop
On 2019-12-17 17:53:48 (+0800), andris.rein...@gmail.com wrote: On 17. Dec 2019, at 11:40, Philip Paeps wrote: On 2019-12-17 03:20:04 (+0800), Al Iverson via mailop wrote: Google is announcing that in the future, G-Suite accounts will not support LSA (Less Secure Access) account connection func

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-17 Thread Andris Reinman via mailop
It is not that you could just somehow easily add OAuth support to things. To get valid client ids for the OAuth to work you have to go through excessive verification process first as IMAP scope is something that Gmail considers restricted. Regards, Andris > On 17. Dec 2019, at 11:40, Philip Pa

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-17 Thread Philip Paeps via mailop
On 2019-12-17 03:20:04 (+0800), Al Iverson via mailop wrote: Google is announcing that in the future, G-Suite accounts will not support LSA (Less Secure Access) account connection functionality. This will put an end to accessing your Gmail account via POP3 or old school IMAP, unless your email

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-17 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 16.12.2019 o godz. 17:45:03 Brandon Long pisze: > > (and I think there is > > absolutely no doubt that for professional use *any* email client - even > > many years old Outlook Express ;) - works better than Gmail's web > > interface). > > Consider doubt expressed. :)) Well, maybe my case i

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-16 Thread Sean Dennis via mailop
Will app passwords still be allowed or do they fall into the same category as LSA? https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en#app-passwords On Mon, Dec 16, 2019, at 6:45 PM, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 2:43 PM Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop > wrote: >> Dn

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-16 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 2:43 PM Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: > Dnia 16.12.2019 o godz. 21:43:45 Jody Belka pisze: > > * Outlook 2016 and earlier with the G-Suite Sync for Microsoft Outlook > > tool (Windows-only) support it > > By the way, a company I work for uses G Suite Sync and turned off

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-16 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 16 Dec 2019, at 13:30, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: Do any Windows/Linux/MacOS email clients currently support OAuth "out of the box"? I can report that MailMate on MacOS works perfectly with OAuth. And it's also much better for email geeks. Not free, but well worth the license. Be

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-16 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 16.12.2019 o godz. 13:20:04 Al Iverson via mailop pisze: > Alternatively you can use G Suite Sync for > Microsoft Outlook. By the way, a company I work for uses G Suite Sync and turned off IMAP access completely for their domain. In that case Outlook with G Suite Sync is the only way to acces

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-16 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 16.12.2019 o godz. 21:43:45 Jody Belka pisze: > * Outlook 2016 and earlier with the G-Suite Sync for Microsoft Outlook > tool (Windows-only) support it By the way, a company I work for uses G Suite Sync and turned off IMAP access completely for their domain. In that case Outlook with G Suite

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-16 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 1:30 PM Jaroslaw Rafa wrote: > Dnia 16.12.2019 o godz. 12:42:29 Brandon Long via mailop pisze: > > Here's the announcement post: > > > https://gsuiteupdates.googleblog.com/2019/12/less-secure-apps-oauth-google-username-password-incorrect.html > > > > Note this is more than

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-16 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
removing Syed, sorry, didn't mean to add him to an external thread about this, please don't flood him about this. Brandon On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 1:49 PM Brandon Long wrote: > +Syed Albiz who was the last person to edit that on > the request to update to py3 > > Brandon > > On Mon, Dec 16, 201

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-16 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
+Syed Albiz who was the last person to edit that on the request to update to py3 Brandon On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 1:10 PM Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2019/12/16 12:42, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: > > As for tools, last year I added support for OAUTHBEARER to mutt but by > shelling out to ht

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-16 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 16.12.2019 o godz. 12:42:29 Brandon Long via mailop pisze: > Here's the announcement post: > https://gsuiteupdates.googleblog.com/2019/12/less-secure-apps-oauth-google-username-password-incorrect.html > > Note this is more than just unencrypted access, this is using password > based login at

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-16 Thread Stuart Henderson via mailop
On 2019/12/16 12:42, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: > As for tools, last year I added support for OAUTHBEARER to mutt but by > shelling out to https:// > github.com/google/gmail-oauth2-tools/blob/master/python/oauth2.py for > generating tokens.  The > sasl level code to send the tokens is pretty

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-16 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
Here's the announcement post: https://gsuiteupdates.googleblog.com/2019/12/less-secure-apps-oauth-google-username-password-incorrect.html Note this is more than just unencrypted access, this is using password based login at all. Looks like it doesn't apply to SMTP, yet, probably because of the nu

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-16 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 16 Dec 2019, at 11:20, Al Iverson via mailop wrote: Question for the group -- [⋯] Are there other folks out there that will have to make code changes to comply with these changes? I will have to make code changes to more or less the same classes of tools you mentioned. Best regards -

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-16 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
Thanks Al for posting this.. As a rule, everyone should be deprecating port 110/143 for authentication and using the SSL/TLS versions.. Hopefully, this will help convince all other ISP's to at least do that. -- Michael -- And of course, a quick pitch on email clients should consider

[mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-16 Thread Al Iverson via mailop
Google is announcing that in the future, G-Suite accounts will not support LSA (Less Secure Access) account connection functionality. This will put an end to accessing your Gmail account via POP3 or old school IMAP, unless your email client supports OAuth. Google says: Access to LSAs will be turn