Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-20 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 19.04.2024 o godz. 14:25:49 Grant Taylor via mailop pisze: > > I wonder if TCP connections were being fully established. Is there > a chance that someone was spoofing your IP? I was also thinking this. > Could he produce packet captures for you to analyze? Sadly no. > Is there a

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-19 Thread Grant Taylor via mailop
On 4/19/24 8:31 AM, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: I started to monitor all outgoing traffic from my server towards his IP address with tcpdump, then I put up firewall rules that blocked (with logging) all outgoing traffic to his IP other than to port 25. Obviously no packets were going out

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-19 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 19.04.2024 o godz. 10:47:56 Sebastian Arcus via mailop pisze: > In a sense I haven't managed to make further progress with this. > Spamhaus have been very vague about the problem - which to some > extent I understand as they don't want the bad guys to exploit their > systems. But at the same

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-19 Thread Matthew Richardson via mailop
Sebastian Arcus via mailop wrote:- >> Michael's suggestion of checking for compromise of CPE (routers etc) is >> also well worth pursuing. > >I have though about that as well. The only possibility that I can come >up with is the Fritzbox VDSL modem/router sitting in front of the Linux

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-19 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 2024-04-19 at 07:21:47 UTC-0400 (Fri, 19 Apr 2024 12:21:47 +0100) Sebastian Arcus via mailop is rumored to have said: On 18/04/2024 14:05, Marco Moock via mailop wrote: Am 18.04.2024 schrieb Bill Cole via mailop : I can't say that Spamhaus lists IPs that engage in the abusive practice of

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-19 Thread Sebastian Arcus via mailop
On 18/04/2024 19:14, Matthew Richardson via mailop wrote: Sebastian Arcus via mailop wrote:- In that case I think I am back to square one. If an infected device connecting to 587/465 to various servers on the internet, from our network, to try and guess passwords/break into accounts wouldn't

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-19 Thread Marco Moock via mailop
Am 19.04.2024 um 12:21:47 Uhr schrieb Sebastian Arcus via mailop: > I would have to look further into this, but I was under the > impression that Exim uses the VRFY command for callout verification? Most sites have disabled that, and implementations of Exim are known that use RCPT TO. Stop using

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-19 Thread Sebastian Arcus via mailop
Sorry - I have included in an earlier reply after being prompted by another member - but I guess it can got lost with all the replies in this thread. And it doesn't have anything to do with the Contabo address my emails are coming from - it's on a different provider/subnet. The IP is

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-19 Thread Sebastian Arcus via mailop
On 18/04/2024 14:05, Marco Moock via mailop wrote: Am 18.04.2024 schrieb Bill Cole via mailop : I can't say that Spamhaus lists IPs that engage in the abusive practice of remote sender verification but I would be happy to hear that they are doing so and CSS+XBL listing is a reasonable

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-19 Thread Sebastian Arcus via mailop
On 18/04/2024 14:20, Slavko via mailop wrote: Dňa 18. apríla 2024 11:22:10 UTC používateľ Sebastian Arcus via mailop napísal: However, if keeping outbound port 587 open turns out to be causing real headaches, I could take a look at revising the existing approach. IMO, one don't need to

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-19 Thread Sebastian Arcus via mailop
On 18/04/2024 14:21, Marco Moock wrote: Am 18.04.2024 schrieb Sebastian Arcus via mailop : On 18/04/2024 13:44, Marco Moock via mailop wrote: Am 18.04.2024 schrieb Sebastian Arcus via mailop : The mention of HELO is what threw me off - and I kept on thinking that it's not possible, as port

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Matthew Richardson via mailop
Sebastian Arcus via mailop wrote:- >In that case I think I am back to square one. If an infected device >connecting to 587/465 to various servers on the internet, from our >network, to try and guess passwords/break into accounts wouldn't have >used the FQDN of our public IP as HELO - then

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
On 2024-04-18 06:01, Sebastian Arcus via mailop wrote: In that case I think I am back to square one. If an infected device connecting to 587/465 to various servers on the internet, from our network, to try and guess passwords/break into accounts wouldn't have used the FQDN of our public IP as

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
It's REALLY hard to give you good advice, if you don't include the actual IP Address that is listed.. However, if it is the same email server you sent from, it's on Contabo which has it's own problems with reputation.. And I don't think they really care to help the innocent operators on their

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Slavko via mailop
Dňa 18. apríla 2024 11:22:10 UTC používateľ Sebastian Arcus via mailop napísal: >However, if keeping outbound port 587 open turns out to be causing real >headaches, I could take a look at revising the existing approach. IMO, one don't need to block 465 port (or 587) from inside LAN, as it is

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Marco Moock via mailop
Am 18.04.2024 schrieb Sebastian Arcus via mailop : > On 18/04/2024 13:44, Marco Moock via mailop wrote: > > Am 18.04.2024 schrieb Sebastian Arcus via mailop > > : > >> The mention of HELO is what threw me off - and I kept on thinking > >> that it's not possible, as port 25 is blocked. But I

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Marco Moock via mailop
Am 18.04.2024 schrieb Bill Cole via mailop : > I can't say that Spamhaus lists IPs that engage in the abusive > practice of remote sender verification but I would be happy to hear > that they are doing so and CSS+XBL listing is a reasonable expression > of that sort of world-hostile behavior. If

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Sebastian Arcus via mailop
On 18/04/2024 13:44, Marco Moock via mailop wrote: Am 18.04.2024 schrieb Sebastian Arcus via mailop : The mention of HELO is what threw me off - and I kept on thinking that it's not possible, as port 25 is blocked. But I completely missed the point that even authenticated connections on 587

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
I can't say that Spamhaus lists IPs that engage in the abusive practice of remote sender verification but I would be happy to hear that they are doing so and CSS+XBL listing is a reasonable expression of that sort of world-hostile behavior. (I saw your Exim-Users discussion) On 2024-04-18

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Marco Moock via mailop
Am 18.04.2024 schrieb Sebastian Arcus via mailop : > The mention of HELO is what threw me off - and I kept on thinking > that it's not possible, as port 25 is blocked. But I completely > missed the point that even authenticated connections on 587 will use > HELo - I think? They require auth, so

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 2024-04-18 at 07:18:46 UTC-0400 (Thu, 18 Apr 2024 13:18:46 +0200) Matus UHLAR - fantomas via mailop is rumored to have said: If you have more than one IP for your network, I recommend use separate IP to translate connections from/to your mailserver. +1 +1000 Don't make your mail server

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Sebastian Arcus via mailop
On 18/04/2024 13:06, Graeme Fowler wrote: On 18 Apr 2024, at 12:17, Sebastian Arcus wrote: That is really useful information - thank you. I'm actually not overly worried about revealing the IP address - I guess it is a public IP anyway. If anybody can take a look at let me know - that

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas via mailop
On 18.04.24 12:22, Sebastian Arcus via mailop wrote: I am not blocking outbound 587. I usually take the view that some user devices - such as smartphones - could be configured to retrieve and send email for their personal email accounts - and need to talk to other email hosting providers. My

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Sebastian Arcus via mailop
On 18/04/2024 12:46, Marco Moock wrote: Am 18.04.2024 schrieb Sebastian Arcus via mailop : However, if keeping outbound port 587 open turns out to be causing real headaches, I could take a look at revising the existing approach. If that is an issue, they should inform your ISP about the

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Sebastian Arcus via mailop
On 18/04/2024 12:18, Matus UHLAR - fantomas via mailop wrote: On 18.04.24 11:52, Sebastian Arcus via mailop wrote: I hope this is within the allowable topics for this list. I tried searching the archives, but haven't found an answer for the issue below yet. If anyone could shed some light,

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Marco Moock via mailop
Am 18.04.2024 schrieb Sebastian Arcus via mailop : > However, if keeping outbound port 587 open turns out to be causing > real headaches, I could take a look at revising the existing approach. If that is an issue, they should inform your ISP about the abuse and that should forward that to you,

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas via mailop
On 18.04.24 11:52, Sebastian Arcus via mailop wrote: I hope this is within the allowable topics for this list. I tried searching the archives, but haven't found an answer for the issue below yet. If anyone could shed some light, it would be very much appreciated. A few days ago I started

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Sebastian Arcus via mailop
I am not blocking outbound 587. I usually take the view that some user devices - such as smartphones - could be configured to retrieve and send email for their personal email accounts - and need to talk to other email hosting providers. My setups are fairly small, and a certain level of

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Sebastian Arcus via mailop
On 18/04/2024 12:03, Marco Moock wrote: Am 18.04.2024 schrieb Sebastian Arcus via mailop : A few days ago I started having issues with the public IPv4 address of one network I look after ending up on the Spamhaus XBL and CSS blacklists.

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Marco Moock via mailop
Am 18.04.2024 schrieb Sebastian Arcus via mailop : > A few days ago I started having issues with the public IPv4 address > of one network I look after ending up on the Spamhaus XBL and CSS > blacklists. https://www.spamhaus.org/blocklists/exploits-blocklist/ Listings there are not related to

Re: [mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Tapio Peltonen via mailop
Are you also blocking outbound connections on port 587? On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 13:57, Sebastian Arcus via mailop wrote: > > I hope this is within the allowable topics for this list. I tried > searching the archives, but haven't found an answer for the issue below > yet. If anyone could shed some

[mailop] Reason for being listed at Spamhaus CSS and XBL unclear

2024-04-18 Thread Sebastian Arcus via mailop
I hope this is within the allowable topics for this list. I tried searching the archives, but haven't found an answer for the issue below yet. If anyone could shed some light, it would be very much appreciated. A few days ago I started having issues with the public IPv4 address of one network