On Thu, 5 Aug 2021, G. Miliotis via mailop wrote:
On 2021-08-05 21:51, Brielle via mailop wrote:
Looks like some of the topics of the spam is starting to gravitate towards
current events...
ESP to spamming customer: "improve the quality of your mailings, stop sending
people mail they
Hi,
Dňa Sat, 07 Aug 2021 19:15:57 +1000 Noel Butler via mailop
napísal:
> So you think it's better to have the potential to inconvenience
>
> over the likelihood of a dozen or so people who may have loss of a
> legit mail?
>
> I'm not one to bow to the tiny minorities, also, T's are most
Am 07.08.21 um 11:15 schrieb Noel Butler via mailop:
>
>
> So you think it's better to have the potential to inconvenience
>
> MariaDB [vmail]> select count(*) from virtual_users where active='1';
> +--+
> | count(*) |
> +--+
> | 836019 |
> +--+
>
> over the likelihood of
On 06/08/2021 01:38, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote:
problem from
Google from time to time; especially when I post a lot to mailing lists
like
this one, my mails start suddenly going to spam at Gmail).
I'm starting to like google again buwahahaha
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Regards,
Noel Butler
This Email,
On 06/08/2021 00:08, Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop wrote:
5. August 2021 14:52, "Noel Butler via mailop"
schrieb:
pt NEWSFLASH the blocking is to the advantage of end users
(sorry for inital empty response, mail program malfunction)
If you block only spammers you'd be right. But
On Thu, 5 Aug 2021, Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop wrote:
If you block only spammers you'd be right. But SendGrid is one of the
sorry cases where you have spam and legit, sometimes important e-mails
coming from the same network. Your users won't be happy if you reject
their order confirmations
Coming from the political/non-profit side of things, when the revenue drops
is when they pay attention. If open rates are 0 or blocks are through the
roof, they take notice and will change their habits. The people that click
spend don't want to explain to their bosses why things have tanked.
On
On 8/5/21 9:41 AM, John Levine wrote:
It appears that Brielle via mailop said:
There's also the matter of the lack of unsubscribe... Has zoom
explained why they are allowing their customers to send unconfirmed
opt-out mail with no unsubscribe option?
Good point. That's one of the few
There's also the notion of Canspam Act. Where *both* the notion of
spamming, and no unsubscribe options are illegal.
A few years ago, I constructed a complaint that resulted in a fairly
large company receiving a fine.
I've got lots of samples in domains defunct for 20+ years, and others
Brielle wrote:
> Litigation is WAY overused to resolve issues.
I generally agree. However, on the other hand it's a pretty good way to get
the attention of people who *know* they are doing wrong, and continue to do it
unrepentingly all the way to the bank.
Anne "Cartoony at Large" Mitchell
On 8/5/21 9:41 AM, John Levine via mailop wrote:
It appears that Brielle via mailop said:
There's also the matter of the lack of unsubscribe... Has zoom
explained why they are allowing their customers to send unconfirmed
opt-out mail with no unsubscribe option?
Good point. That's one of the
On 2021-08-05 21:51, Brielle via mailop wrote:
Looks like some of the topics of the spam is starting to gravitate
towards current events...
ESP to spamming customer: "improve the quality of your mailings, stop
sending people mail they don't want or we will have to ask you again to
stop,
On 8/5/21 8:53 AM, Brielle via mailop wrote:
On 8/4/21 5:40 PM, Luke via mailop wrote:
The account in question was told they need to clean up their act about
4 weeks ago.
Thank you for following up with this information. Its much appreciated.
Just another followup, having looked through
On 8/5/21 9:38 AM, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote:
Definitely your memory fails, or your understanding fails;). First, I was
not talking about "everyone who runs junk / spam filters", but specifically
about Google.
Bringing against one just opens the door for more. The minute you
create that
It appears that Brielle via mailop said:
>There's also the matter of the lack of unsubscribe... Has zoom
>explained why they are allowing their customers to send unconfirmed
>opt-out mail with no unsubscribe option?
Good point. That's one of the few things that is specifically illegal under
Dnia 5.08.2021 o godz. 08:30:17 Brielle via mailop pisze:
> *squints her eyes as she recognizes the name Jaroslaw Rafa*
>
> I may not have the best memory these days, but I seem to remember you are
> the one who wanted to bring lawsuits against everyone who runs junk / spam
> filters.
>
>
On 8/4/21 5:40 PM, Luke via mailop wrote:
The account in question was told they need to clean up their act about 4
weeks ago. A week later we saw their overall sending volume drop by more
than 66%. Bounces and spam report percentages dropped. That data, along
with some unscientific subject
On Thu, 2021-08-05 at 22:52 +1000, Noel Butler via mailop wrote:
> On 05/08/2021 19:07, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote:
>
> > I would never block an entire server/provider, no matter big or
> > small, unless the server/provider sends spam *only* and not any
> > legitimate emails.
> >
> pt
5. August 2021 14:52, "Noel Butler via mailop" mailto:mailop@mailop.org?to=%22Noel%20Butler%20via%20mailop%22%20)>
schrieb:
pt NEWSFLASH the blocking is to the advantage of end users
(sorry for inital empty response, mail program malfunction)
If you block only spammers you'd be
5. August 2021 14:52, "Noel Butler via mailop" mailto:mailop@mailop.org?to=%22Noel%20Butler%20via%20mailop%22%20)>
schrieb:
pt NEWSFLASH the blocking is to the advantage of end users
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On 05/08/2021 19:07, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote:
Dnia 5.08.2021 o godz. 11:18:55 Noel Butler via mailop pisze:
This only happens because as demonstrated here many are too scared
to block the bigger mail senders/providers - and since these gutless
so and so's publicly admit it, the big
Dnia 5.08.2021 o godz. 11:18:55 Noel Butler via mailop pisze:
>
> This only happens because as demonstrated here many are too scared
> to block the bigger mail senders/providers - and since these gutless
> so and so's publicly admit it, the big boys know it, so have little
> reason to be
Hey Carl,
Not quite. In SendGrid-speak the term bounce is reserved for invalid
address responses. I know it isn't normal. I often forget to change my
register when I write out in the real world. The example you provided is
what we'd call a Block. So, when I said bounce percentages dropped I meant
I'm not sure what you mean by "this kind of response." I'm just keeping
the group updated on what we are doing. Trying to be the best little
netizen I can be :)
I also can't figure out why more people at ESPs aren't willing to respond
to these threads. Truly a mystery, isn't it?
As always, I
On 05/08/2021 10:59, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote:
You do realize that kind of response probably won't make any friends..
Should SendGrid not simply block obvious malware, no matter who the
client? And 4 weeks is far to long to allow malware to
We helped them out last week to reduce
You do realize that kind of response probably won't make any friends..
Should SendGrid not simply block obvious malware, no matter who the
client? And 4 weeks is far to long to allow malware to travel around the
internet.. this is getting to be a standard approach that won't endear
you, or
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On Wed, 2021-08-04 at 16:40 -0700, Luke via mailop wrote:
> Bounces and spam report percentages dropped.
I am probably not the only one that has SA blocking all mail from some
of those senders.
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The account in question was told they need to clean up their act about 4
weeks ago. A week later we saw their overall sending volume drop by more
than 66%. Bounces and spam report percentages dropped. That data, along
with some unscientific subject line analysis, it is clear that they have
made
On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 11:16:15AM -0600, Brielle via mailop wrote:
> Like the title asks?
>
> Still seeing it daily in my logs hitting the system filters... Same
> source accounts, same general bodies with no unsubscribes, sent
> through Zoom's accounts at Sendgrid...
Confirmed, vehemently.
>
Like the title asks?
Still seeing it daily in my logs hitting the system filters... Same
source accounts, same general bodies with no unsubscribes, sent through
Zoom's accounts at Sendgrid...
I don't mean to be impatient and all, but it has been a while...
--
Brielle Bruns
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