[mailop] msn/outlook blacklist advice

2015-09-14 Thread G. Miliotis
Hello everyone, We've just moved someof our MXs to a new IP and it turns out we didn't plan this very well. Microsoft has the whole new range blacklisted (Getting SC-001 errors for 136.243.92.253; 136.243.92.252; 136.243.92.216). The troubleshooting form provides no real feedback and I

Re: [mailop] msn/outlook blacklist advice

2015-09-14 Thread G. Miliotis
On 14/09/2015 06:44 μμ, Steve Atkins wrote: Microsoft has the whole new range blacklisted (Getting SC-001 errors for 136.243.92.253; 136.243.92.252; 136.243.92.216). I'm assuming those three IP addresses are for smarthosts > that send outbound mail for you and your customers. Only one is

Re: [mailop] Hotmail/Microsoft Contact Available?

2015-09-15 Thread G. Miliotis
On 15/9/2015 12:12 πμ, Michael Wise wrote: Sooner or later, your discussions will end there, and the ticketing will begin. There is **NO** way around it; Microsoft Legal has been very clear on the matter. This is interesting, I was just instructed by my server provider to contact

Re: [mailop] Microsoft/Hotmail discards mails

2016-06-09 Thread G. Miliotis
On 9/6/2016 05:08, Michael Wise via mailop wrote: At one point, Hotmail tried to turn off the delete action for sufficiently spammy, and just delivered it into Junk; Customers complained. Loudly. So whether the system is correctly classifying your traffic or not, I cannot say. But the

Re: [mailop] Microsoft/Hotmail discards mails [slightly OT]

2016-06-09 Thread G. Miliotis
On 9/6/2016 17:46, Renaud Allard via mailop wrote: Actually, many small operators also silently discard email. Whether it's by incompetence, or voluntarily doesn't matter much. It's just less visible than hotmail. Undoubtedly, but they can't use the scaling-is-hard argument as a free pass. We

Re: [mailop] Microsoft/Hotmail discards mails [slightly OT]

2016-06-13 Thread G. Miliotis
On 13/6/2016 19:14, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: I would argue something differently: many email users (and postal mail, for that matter), have an expectation that email is mostly but not 100% reliable, due to spam false positives or just the lack of delivery notification. People can then

Re: [mailop] msn/outlook blacklist advice

2016-02-28 Thread G. Miliotis
On 15/9/2015 10:34, Dave Warren wrote: On 2015-09-14 09:06, G. Miliotis wrote: So the issue remains, what *is* the correct way to migrate to a new IP that's been blacklisted by MS and how long should it take? This isn't just for Microsoft, but for all the big providers. Usually after a month

Re: [mailop] Gmail rate limit

2016-04-06 Thread G. Miliotis
On 6/4/2016 20:27, Vick Khera wrote: I use google groups for those things. You can have as many of those as you like, and they can be configured as shared mailboxes or even a simple ticketing system. Jut noting that I have done this and the spam controls for google groups are not the best. You

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

2016-03-24 Thread G. Miliotis
On 24/3/2016 07:03, Dave Warren wrote: Are there really that many customers using freemail domains, yet paying for ESP services? For realsies? And if so, wouldn't this be an obvious upsell opportunity or partnership to get these customers using their own domain? As a small ESP, my servers

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

2016-03-24 Thread G. Miliotis
>On 24-Mar-2016, at 6:33 PM, G. Miliotis<corf...@elementality.org> wrote: > >In fact, as someone mentioned, we're currently looking into setting up our outgoing SMTP servers to send via each client's freemail account via SMTP auth. So that would cover the DMARC issue, too. Prov

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

2016-03-24 Thread G. Miliotis
On 24/3/2016 15:38, Steve Atkins wrote: They do. And there are already quite a few dedicated B2B spammers taking advantage of that. Most of the deluge of spam from gmail appears to be from this sort of spammer at the moment. If gmail becomes concerned about that then the ability to plug into

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes - Proxying SMTP auth for freemail users

2016-03-24 Thread G. Miliotis
On 24/3/2016 18:17, Jay Hennigan wrote: Once third-party mailers begin using the credentials of specific freemail accounts to send bulk mail that generates a non-trivial number of complaints and/or bounces, the battle has escalated. I am only just recently mulling this over so I haven't really

Re: [mailop] What in the name of all that is evil is this new spam technique?

2016-05-09 Thread G. Miliotis
On 9/5/2016 22:20, Jay Hennigan wrote: Their FAQ at betterbounces.net (bounce.io redirects there) claims that they're just trying to send more human-readable bounce messages but need advertising to pay for it. They also claim that one can opt out of the advertisements but only on a

Re: [mailop] Mails to microsoft

2017-02-06 Thread G. Miliotis
On 5/2/2017 12:35, Klaus Ethgen wrote: Well, that is a fully ignorance of the world. There is many mailservers in hetzner network (as well as there are some malicious hosts). Taking all hetzner network in kin liability is something I will not tell on this open list. You will find it hard to

Re: [mailop] Mails to microsoft

2017-02-16 Thread G. Miliotis
On 16/2/2017 00:40, John Levine wrote: OVH used to be hopeless but after some firm whacks they have started to clean up, and their delivery while not great is not hopeless. Define "whacks"? ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org

Re: [mailop] Mails to microsoft

2017-02-15 Thread G. Miliotis
On 15/2/2017 18:46, Laura Atkins wrote: The statement I was replying to said MS should announce what they’re blocking. I pointed out that MS does provide that information to the appropriate parties. The sign up process is about ownership and confirming that the person asking for the data has

Re: [mailop] Mails to microsoft

2017-02-15 Thread G. Miliotis
On 15/2/2017 19:06, Al Iverson wrote: Yes, that is what most of us who are paid to send email do. Email Service Providers (ESPs) help their clients monitor this sort of thing, by signing up for SNDS, using seedlist testing from companies like Return Path and 250OK, monitor for blacklistings, and

[mailop] btinternet contacts

2017-06-12 Thread G. Miliotis
Hello, Anyone have any btinternet contact info? I followed this: http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/47055/~/bt-email---best-practices-for-postmasters-and-senders-of-bulk-mail However, their postmaster@ is not functional ATM. postmas...@btinternet.com host mx.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk

Re: [mailop] Microsoft Spam Filtering Issues

2017-05-08 Thread G. Miliotis
On 8/5/2017 5:00 πμ, John Cenile wrote: Our customer, who is using a Hotmail address, then /marked the bounceback email as Junk/, affecting our IP rating according to SNDS. So your customer runs a website and doesn't know what the 'delete' button does. Also, they (I imagine) pay for a domain

[mailop] [OT] Re: contact at telkomsa.net

2018-02-13 Thread G. Miliotis
Hi, For a moment there I thought that there was a banner ad in your signature. May I suggest you make it animated, it'll be a lot more catchy. --GM ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org

Re: [mailop] Outlook.com Support (whining time)

2018-12-28 Thread G. Miliotis
On 28/12/2018 14:59, Laura Atkins wrote: 3) The closing of tickets without any response?  We’ve told you repeatedly what you need to do to fix things and you aren’t paying any attention. We’re tired of sending you the same information, and there’s nothing more we’re able to tell you.

Re: [mailop] Our customers e-mail constantly going to outlook.com junkmail (any Microsoft people around?)

2019-04-19 Thread G. Miliotis
On 19/4/2019 15:14, Rich Kulawiec wrote: Some of us knew that doing anything other than accept/reject was a very bad idea many years ago. Everyone should know it now. It has become obvious on inspection by even the casual observer. I see your point but I do not completely agree. I feel that,

Re: [mailop] Our customers e-mail constantly going to outlook.com junkmail (any Microsoft people around?)

2019-04-19 Thread G. Miliotis
On 19/4/2019 22:26, Michael Wise via mailop wrote: Please remember: Safe Sender always trumps Machine Learning. As far as mails not being rejected silently outright maybe. I seem to recall I've safe sender'ed senders in hotmail and mail still went strght to spam folder. --GM

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-21 Thread G. Miliotis
On 21/4/2019 07:52, Sébastien Riccio wrote: We also receive sometime a batch of complaints from the same outlook.com recipient, for mails dated a few years ago. Like if the user was doing some cleanup in his inbox and instead of deleting message he declares them as .. guess it... junk! This

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-22 Thread G. Miliotis
On 21/4/2019 22:39, Thomas Walter wrote: And force people like me to resubscribe every 90 to 180 days, because I don't allow tracking nonsense in emails? Lists should send a warning "You have been inactive for 90 days, you will be unsubscribed when you reach 180 days" message. I get those

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-23 Thread G. Miliotis
On 23/4/2019 08:26, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: and also unfortunately, enough people now think of email as unreliable, I wonder why that is. --GM ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org

Re: [mailop] Microsoft blacklisting a /16

2019-06-07 Thread G. Miliotis via mailop
On 5/6/2019 20:23, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: That hasn't been determined as of yet. Comments and thoughts on that subject welcome. A good start would be VM/VPS/server provisioners actually putting default firewall rules in their images. Especially outgoing rules to a certain port

Re: [mailop] Microsoft fragmented abuse reporting

2019-10-17 Thread G. Miliotis via mailop
On 17/10/2019 22:05, Jay Hennigan via mailop wrote: Why doesn't Microsoft handle this internally instead of forcing the reporter to jump through another flaming hoop? They got the report to their whois-listed abuse contact based on originating IP. They know what internal department should

Re: [mailop] Ideas for possible content for FAQ: "Best Practices for running a mail server"

2020-02-17 Thread G. Miliotis via mailop
On 17/2/2020 22:39, Luis E. Muñoz via mailop wrote: One could state facts – i.e., pointing out that SPF will break straight forwarding and mailing lists that do not rewrite – without introducing judgement. How about a small section in the FAQ about decisions that the mail admin must make?

Re: [mailop] Deutsche Telekom rejects connections because of missing "provider identification"

2020-08-27 Thread G. Miliotis via mailop
On 26/8/2020 20:36, flo via mailop wrote: I prefer not to put my private address unprotected on the internet. Well duh. Not everyone is a business with already-public information. I run my own server and host some domains on that. What assurances do I have that my personal information is

Re: [mailop] Google and Spam detection

2020-07-24 Thread G. Miliotis via mailop
On 24/7/2020 7:13 μ.μ., John Levine via mailop wrote: In article <20200724160354.gg9...@ikki.ethgen.ch> you write: I think it might happen that in past hetzner (my hosting provider) ... Oh, there's your problem. Hetzner's network spews garbage. I don't accept any mail from it at all.

Re: [mailop] Google and Spam detection

2020-07-24 Thread G. Miliotis via mailop
On 24/7/2020 8:12 μ.μ., Luis E. Muñoz via mailop wrote: On 24 Jul 2020, at 7:48, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: Not true, I was (and am) always delivering mail via IPv4 and had mentioned problems (and also other people whose complaints I have read don't use IPv6 as well). I see no

Re: [mailop] So uh... Zoom/Sendgrid... How's that webinar spam investigation coming? - the MEME

2021-08-05 Thread G. Miliotis via mailop
On 2021-08-05 21:51, Brielle via mailop wrote: Looks like some of the topics of the spam is starting to gravitate towards current events... ESP to spamming customer: "improve the quality of your mailings, stop sending people mail they don't want or we will have to ask you again to stop,

Re: [mailop] Seeking advice for warming up IPs with Microsoft

2021-07-30 Thread G. Miliotis via mailop
On 2021-07-30 11:30, mailop--- via mailop wrote: I'm not sure that anyone can offer me anything other than sympathy but I'm open to any advice or suggestions. These huge freemail providers are killing email. Mail was never supposed to be so centralized. We're just managing our misery here.

Re: [mailop] Barriers to Entry / Governance (was: What a drag it is sending DMARC reports)

2022-01-01 Thread G. Miliotis via mailop
On 2021-12-31 13:42, Alessandro Vesely via mailop wrote: The difference between them is that, although HTTP provides for put and post verbs, the web evolved around clients downloading data from the servers, while email dealed the opposite direction. The implication with respect to spam is

Re: [mailop] Roundcube client IPs → dovecot, postfix

2021-12-28 Thread G. Miliotis via mailop
On 2021-12-28 17:55, Nicolas JEAN via mailop wrote: My conclusion is that today, there's no technical way to forward client IPs from roundcube to dovecot/postfix. Doesn't the XFORWARD feature work for postfix? I thought that's how amavis for example talks to postfix. Usually via a dedicated

Re: [mailop] Musings on Mail Service Operators

2022-02-03 Thread G. Miliotis via mailop
On 3/2/22 13:59, Andrew C Aitchison via mailop wrote: To me any system that aims to replace email must be based on pushing messages and have a distributed nature. This means that deliverability issues are an inherent risk, in a way that pulling messages from a central/unified service can avoid.

Re: [mailop] SPF (and other email security protocols) Survey

2022-11-24 Thread G. Miliotis via mailop
nd practice and sincerely hope this work produces useful results, hopefully also truly representative of practice in the field. Good luck to you. Best Regards, G. Miliotis ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop

Re: [mailop] Why is mail forwarding such a mess?

2024-02-10 Thread G. Miliotis via mailop
You have a good point in that the first and main problem is that the forwarder cannot be trusted to not mangle or fake the original message. Nothing else can be sorted out until this gets out of the way, including OOB communication between originator and final receiver. Which is in effect

Re: [mailop] BIMI boycott?

2024-01-11 Thread G. Miliotis via mailop
r mailings while the big senders get even more closely coupled to big mail providers. BIMI is trying to do identity. IMO identity will not be solved in mail inbox UIs. It'll come from concerted efforts elsewhere and mail will integrate into that. Regards, G