Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools

[Scott Mutter via mailop]

It's basically worthless unless you are a big box sender.
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools

[Ken O'Driscoll via mailop]

> On 1 Apr 2024, at 10:05, Odhiambo Washington via mailop  
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> You must reach a certain volume of messages before anything will appear.
> 
> 
> Thank you for that insight.
> 
> Do you know what the minimum volume is?

It’s a couple of hundred per day, I don’t think they publish an exact number.

Also, they often don’t show any data, regardless of daily volume, if you have a 
very poor sending reputation, i.e. they think you are a spammer.

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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools

[Odhiambo Washington via mailop]

On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 11:53 PM Mark Milhollan via mailop <
mailop@mailop.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 31 Mar 2024, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
>
> >Might someone know what I must do to get data showing on
> > https://postmaster.google.com/managedomains ?
> >I have two verified domains in there, but nothing on the (expected)
> >dashboard.
>
> You must reach a certain volume of messages before anything will appear.
>

Thank you for that insight.

Do you know what the minimum volume is?

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[mailop] Google Postmaster Tools

[Mark Milhollan via mailop]

On Sun, 31 Mar 2024, Odhiambo Washington wrote:


Might someone know what I must do to get data showing on
https://postmaster.google.com/managedomains ?
I have two verified domains in there, but nothing on the (expected)
dashboard.


You must reach a certain volume of messages before anything will appear.


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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools data missing recently - anyone else?

[Maarten Oelering via mailop]

We noticed it as well. On the GPT website there’s data for 2nd. But the API 
does not return any data for the last couple of days.

Maarten

> On 4 Dec 2023, at 22:52, Omar Thameen via mailop  wrote:
> 
> Is anyone else seeing data missing from Google Postmaster Tools?
> For all our hosted domains, everything was consistent until Nov 28,
> then no data until Dec 2, and nothing yet for Dec 3.
> 
> Omar
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools data missing recently - anyone else?

[Sean Kamath via mailop]

After 2 years, I’ve never seen anything but that message.  I guess my 1-2 
emails every other day isn’t enough to have any data (but sending one email to 
13 recipients was an “unusual rate of unsolicited email” causing me to be rate 
limited).

Sean

> On Dec 4, 2023, at 14:19, Randolf Richardson, Postmaster via mailop 
>  wrote:
> 
>   I'm greeted by the message "No data to display at this time. Please 
> come back later" for all reports, even when setting the duration to 
> the maximum of 120 days.
> 
>   Hopefully it's only a temporary poroblem.
> 
>> Is anyone else seeing data missing from Google Postmaster Tools?
>> For all our hosted domains, everything was consistent until Nov 28,
>> then no data until Dec 2, and nothing yet for Dec 3.
>> 
>> Omar
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools data missing recently - anyone else?

[Tim Starr via mailop]

Others have reported this, but I'm not seeing it, myself. It seems to be
intermittent. Some see it, some don't.

-Tim

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 4:04 PM Omar Thameen via mailop 
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> Is anyone else seeing data missing from Google Postmaster Tools?
> For all our hosted domains, everything was consistent until Nov 28,
> then no data until Dec 2, and nothing yet for Dec 3.
>
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools data missing recently - anyone else?

[Randolf Richardson, Postmaster via mailop]

I'm greeted by the message "No data to display at this time. Please 
come back later" for all reports, even when setting the duration to 
the maximum of 120 days.

Hopefully it's only a temporary poroblem.

> Is anyone else seeing data missing from Google Postmaster Tools?
> For all our hosted domains, everything was consistent until Nov 28,
> then no data until Dec 2, and nothing yet for Dec 3.
> 
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[mailop] Google Postmaster Tools data missing recently - anyone else?

[Omar Thameen via mailop]

Is anyone else seeing data missing from Google Postmaster Tools?
For all our hosted domains, everything was consistent until Nov 28,
then no data until Dec 2, and nothing yet for Dec 3.

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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October 4th

[Al Iverson via mailop]

GPT is back but data is still backfilling for some folks (including me).
I'm a tiny sender, so I assume I'm way down their priority list.

Cheers,
Al Iverson

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 7:04 AM Yitzhak Cohen via mailop 
wrote:

> Can back partially last week, sometime on Friday I think. When I looked
> again today it was fully back-filled.
>
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* mailop  on behalf of Ewald Kessler |
> Tripolis via mailop 
> *Sent:* Monday, October 18, 2021 13:19
> *To:* Antonie Popovic 
> *Cc:* mailop@mailop.org 
> *Subject:* Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October
> 4th
>
> Caution: This email is from an external sender. Please do not click links
> or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is
> safe. Forward suspicious emails to isitbad@.
>
>
>
> Must have been between Friday afternoon (CET) and this morning.
>
>
>
> *From:* Antonie Popovic 
> *Sent:* Monday, 18 October 2021 12:17
> *To:* Ewald Kessler | Tripolis 
> *Cc:* mailop@mailop.org
> *Subject:* Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October
> 4th
>
>
>
> Thank you for the info Ewald.
>
> Could you or anyone else please confirm when you got the reports for the
> missing week ?
>
>
>
> Much appreciated,
>
> Toni
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 11:33 AM Ewald Kessler | Tripolis via mailop <
> mailop@mailop.org> wrote:
>
> Data is back. And backfilled!
>
>
>
> *From:* mailop  *On Behalf Of *Danny Steinhoff
> via mailop
> *Sent:* Thursday, 14 October 2021 09:35
> *To:* Maarten Oelering 
> *Cc:* mailop 
> *Subject:* Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October
> 4th
>
>
>
> We do not get any data since 4 October
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:32 AM Maarten Oelering via mailop <
> mailop@mailop.org> wrote:
>
> We are monitoring hundreds of domains in GPT. Some of these domains never
> showed any data.
> But since October 8 all domains are returning 404 errors on the GPT API.
> So something is wrong at Google.
>
> Maarten
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October 4th

[Antonie Popovic via mailop]

Thank you for the info Ewald.
Could you or anyone else please confirm when you got the reports for the
missing week ?

Much appreciated,
Toni

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 11:33 AM Ewald Kessler | Tripolis via mailop <
mailop@mailop.org> wrote:

> Data is back. And backfilled!
>
>
>
> *From:* mailop  *On Behalf Of *Danny Steinhoff
> via mailop
> *Sent:* Thursday, 14 October 2021 09:35
> *To:* Maarten Oelering 
> *Cc:* mailop 
> *Subject:* Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October
> 4th
>
>
>
> We do not get any data since 4 October
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:32 AM Maarten Oelering via mailop <
> mailop@mailop.org> wrote:
>
> We are monitoring hundreds of domains in GPT. Some of these domains never
> showed any data.
> But since October 8 all domains are returning 404 errors on the GPT API.
> So something is wrong at Google.
>
> Maarten
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October 4th

[Yitzhak Cohen via mailop]

Can back partially last week, sometime on Friday I think. When I looked again 
today it was fully back-filled.






From: mailop  on behalf of Ewald Kessler | Tripolis 
via mailop 
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 13:19
To: Antonie Popovic 
Cc: mailop@mailop.org 
Subject: Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October 4th

Caution: This email is from an external sender. Please do not click links or 
open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. 
Forward suspicious emails to isitbad@.



Must have been between Friday afternoon (CET) and this morning.



From: Antonie Popovic 
Sent: Monday, 18 October 2021 12:17
To: Ewald Kessler | Tripolis 
Cc: mailop@mailop.org
Subject: Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October 4th



Thank you for the info Ewald.

Could you or anyone else please confirm when you got the reports for the 
missing week ?



Much appreciated,

Toni



On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 11:33 AM Ewald Kessler | Tripolis via mailop 
mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> wrote:

Data is back. And backfilled!



From: mailop mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org>> On 
Behalf Of Danny Steinhoff via mailop
Sent: Thursday, 14 October 2021 09:35
To: Maarten Oelering mailto:maar...@postmastery.net>>
Cc: mailop mailto:mailop@mailop.org>>
Subject: Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October 4th



We do not get any data since 4 October



On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:32 AM Maarten Oelering via mailop 
mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> wrote:

We are monitoring hundreds of domains in GPT. Some of these domains never 
showed any data.
But since October 8 all domains are returning 404 errors on the GPT API. So 
something is wrong at Google.

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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October 4th

[Ewald Kessler | Tripolis via mailop]

Must have been between Friday afternoon (CET) and this morning.

From: Antonie Popovic 
Sent: Monday, 18 October 2021 12:17
To: Ewald Kessler | Tripolis 
Cc: mailop@mailop.org
Subject: Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October 4th

Thank you for the info Ewald.
Could you or anyone else please confirm when you got the reports for the 
missing week ?

Much appreciated,
Toni

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 11:33 AM Ewald Kessler | Tripolis via mailop 
mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> wrote:
Data is back. And backfilled!

From: mailop mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org>> On 
Behalf Of Danny Steinhoff via mailop
Sent: Thursday, 14 October 2021 09:35
To: Maarten Oelering mailto:maar...@postmastery.net>>
Cc: mailop mailto:mailop@mailop.org>>
Subject: Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October 4th

We do not get any data since 4 October

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:32 AM Maarten Oelering via mailop 
mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> wrote:
We are monitoring hundreds of domains in GPT. Some of these domains never 
showed any data.
But since October 8 all domains are returning 404 errors on the GPT API. So 
something is wrong at Google.

Maarten

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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October 4th

[Ewald Kessler | Tripolis via mailop]

Data is back. And backfilled!

From: mailop  On Behalf Of Danny Steinhoff via mailop
Sent: Thursday, 14 October 2021 09:35
To: Maarten Oelering 
Cc: mailop 
Subject: Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October 4th

We do not get any data since 4 October

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:32 AM Maarten Oelering via mailop 
mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> wrote:
We are monitoring hundreds of domains in GPT. Some of these domains never 
showed any data.
But since October 8 all domains are returning 404 errors on the GPT API. So 
something is wrong at Google.

Maarten

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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October 4th

[Graeme Fowler via mailop]

ADMIN NOTE

On 14 Oct 2021, at 10:39, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop  wrote:
[ yet more content about a specific problem unrelated to the thread subject ]

All: please desist from turning every single thread on this list into 
discussion of Jaroslaw’s Google issue.

I have had more than one email sent to me about this in response to my last 
comments about decency (thanks for those) - the feelings expressed were that 
the thread hijacking that keeps occurring is making the list dysfunctional and 
tedious.

This thread is specific to the loss of functionality of Google’s Postmaster 
Tools. Please keep it that way.

Thanks

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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October 4th

[Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop]

Dnia 14.10.2021 o godz. 11:00:50 Lena--- via mailop pisze:
> 
> But possibly content of your emails causes Gmail users to click "Spam"
> more often than caused by average user stupidity.
> Or you pissed off one Gmail user, and now he clicks "Spam" on every your 
> email.

I know these people. I ask them specifically (using other means like text
messages on the phone) to click "this is not spam" on my messages. They do.

> Or he always deletes everybody's emails with the Spam button.

That is possible.

What is more possible - from what I think - the issue may be related to
mailing lists. I am subscribed to a few lists and I used to be quite active
on them (used to be, because since the "spam" issue started, I try to limit
my sending to mailing lists as much as possible, but it's still sometimes
necessary). In fact, I usually send significantly more messages to mailing
lists than directly to people. And I don't know (nor can control) how many
people on the list are on Gmail or are forwarding their mail from the
address subscribed to the list to Gmail (!).

While people who I send messages directly may expect my messages, may look
for them in the Spam folder and click "this is not spam", it is not the case
for a mailing list. If a message from a mailing list, from a guy you don't
know (so don't expect the message to come) lands in your Spam folder, would
you notice its absence? Would you look for it? Even if you see somebody's
reply to that message on the list, you wouldn't usually look for the
original message. So the messages stayed in Spam folders of those people
from mailing lists, which only acted as a signal to Google that they are
actually spam (because nobody clicked them out of the Spam folder). 50
(roughly estimating) people whom I mail directly and who are clicking "this
is not spam" cannot balance 500 (just estimating) people from mailing lists
who have my messages in Spam folder, never saw them and never clicked on
them.

It's a kind of a "dead loop": once your messages start falling into Spam
folder, you have little chance to get out of it, as people just don't see
your messages, so can't click "this is not spam" on them. So you are just
building up "bad reputation".

This is just something I assume, but what speaks in favor of this assumption
is that I had no problems mailing to Google for about two years since I
started using my current e-mail address and server (it was 2017), then
suddenly the issue started in 2019. And from that time it is reappearing. 
There are times when the issue disappears and mailing to Google works
correctly, but then it is reappearing again.

If this is the case, changing my e-mail domain - which some of the people
here suggested - will not help, because the same will happen for that new
domain, if I start to use it on mailing lists. Please note that I wrote my
message in reply to message from someone who has an *.org domain, yet still
has the same problem as me (and there are more people with this problem,
who wrote about this - here and on Postfix mailing list, that I'm subscribed
too - during those two years, all with non-free domains). So that can happen
for *any* domain, not just *.eu.org. It will work for some time, and then
again it will gain "bad reputation". Then what? Get a new domain again,
chasing for domains like spammers do and playing cat-and-mouse game with
Google? This is just plain stupid.

It is also worth noting that I have *no* issues with sending to any other
email recipient besides Google (I had some issue in past with my mails being
rejected by mail.ru, but this has been solved very quickly - they are
*extremely* responsive and helpful on that topic). Only Google is the problem.

Also, to all the people who suggest that I change my domain, I would like to
ask - if the largest shopping network in your country would ban you from
entering their shops just because they don't like your name on the credit
card (you didn't steal from them, beat up someone in the shop or anything
like that - they just don't like your name), and people suggested you to
change your name to be able to shop again, what would you say to them? This
is exactly the same case.
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October 4th

[Lena--- via mailop]

> From: Jaroslaw Rafa 

> "low reputation of the sending domain"

I'm afraid that it'll be the same for any free domain name
(because of abuse by spammers). Unfair, yes.

But possibly content of your emails causes Gmail users to click "Spam"
more often than caused by average user stupidity.
Or you pissed off one Gmail user, and now he clicks "Spam" on every your email.
Or he always deletes everybody's emails with the Spam button.

Influence of IP block or AS reputation also is possibile,
despite the text of the error message.
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October 4th

[Danny Steinhoff via mailop]

We do not get any data since 4 October

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:32 AM Maarten Oelering via mailop <
mailop@mailop.org> wrote:

> We are monitoring hundreds of domains in GPT. Some of these domains never
> showed any data.
> But since October 8 all domains are returning 404 errors on the GPT API.
> So something is wrong at Google.
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October 4th

[Maarten Oelering via mailop]

We are monitoring hundreds of domains in GPT. Some of these domains never 
showed any data.
But since October 8 all domains are returning 404 errors on the GPT API. So 
something is wrong at Google.

Maarten

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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October 4th

[Benoît Panizzon via mailop]

> Anyone here from Google who can unplug GPT and plug it back in?
> It seems to have stopped working on October 4th.

We have similar, VERY nasty problems in August/September.

Google downgraded our @imp.ch domain reputation form 'high' to 'bad'
from one day to the other effectively shutting down our complete
business communication with customers using Google Email services.

Emails were not just put in the spam folder, where, when something
similar happened in the past, our customers could flag some emails as
'not spam' and fixing the issue quite fast. But Emails were being
rejected during SMTP. Not a single one getting through.

So for emergency we switched to another email domain and I kept sending
1-2 emails per day from @imp.ch to google, to see if they accepted
emails again and monitored the domain reputation.

It went back up to 'good' within about 3 days, but just when that
happened (I think 28. of August or so) no more data was collected and
it took more than a month until Google stopped rejecting emails from
@imp.ch despite the now restored reputation (until the begin of
October).

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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October 4th

[Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop]

Dnia 13.10.2021 o godz. 12:18:08 Dan Mahoney via mailop pisze:
> 
> I have *never* seen any data in my postmaster tools, FWIW, and google’s docs 
> are silent as to the threshold.  
> 
> But still, messages I send people get auto-routed to spam folders because 
> “Lots of mail from prime.gushi.org  is spam”.
> 
> If someone knows what one can do about this, please do let me know, here or 
> offlist.

Exactly the same for me, fighting with this since my first post to this
list, which is almost 2 years ago... :( Recently things got worse, because
my messages not only get auto-routed to Spam (with the same stupid
explanation as yours) but started to be rejected by Google with 4xx error
code for many hours (in one case it was over 30 hours) before being accepted
at all, because of "low reputation of the sending domain".

Postmaster Tools is and always was empty.

I think you can do nothing about this. I did theoretically everything
possible. I have setup SPF, DKIM and DMARC only because Google says they
require it (previously my email was working perfectly fine without those). I
always had matching forward and reverse DNS. I even registered my server and
domain at DNSWL. I am not on any blacklists (at least ones MxToolbox knows
about), not to mention I never sent any spam. I ask the recipients,
contacting them by other means, to click "this is not spam" on my messages
and they do it. They respond to my mails. All this seems to mean nothing
to Google. Even if someone clicks on "this is not spam", the following
messages from me (for the same recipient!) are routed to Spam anyway.

The only people who theoretically could do something about this are those
working at Google, but they either don't want to or aren't allowed to. Or
they have built a system they can't control anymore.
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October 4th

[Dan Mahoney via mailop]

> On Oct 13, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Alex Irimia via mailop  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Anyone here from Google who can unplug GPT and plug it back in?
> It seems to have stopped working on October 4th.

Alex, your post reminded me:

I have *never* seen any data in my postmaster tools, FWIW, and google’s docs 
are silent as to the threshold.  

But still, messages I send people get auto-routed to spam folders because “Lots 
of mail from prime.gushi.org  is spam”.

If someone knows what one can do about this, please do let me know, here or 
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[mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - No data since October 4th

[Alex Irimia via mailop]

Hello all,

Anyone here from Google who can unplug GPT and plug it back in?
It seems to have stopped working on October 4th.

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[mailop] Google Postmaster Tools data is not updated

[Syed Alam via mailop]

Hi everyone,

Google Postmaster tools IP and Domain reputation data is last updated on
December 8th. We have verified several domains, all look the same. However,
spamrate % data is updated normally for the same domains.

Is it the same for others as well?

Thanks,

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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools Volume Requirements

[Brian Toresdahl via mailop]

Thank you Ken. Is 100/day everyone else's experience too?
I'm shocked that it's this low, but my sense of scale must be warped by
personal experience.

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 12:33 PM Ken O'Driscoll via mailop <
mailop@mailop.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 2020-05-13 at 11:18 -0700, Brian Toresdahl via mailop wrote:
>
> Any experience within this group with what Google means when they say:"If
> you send a large volume of emails to Gmail users, you can use Postmaster
> Tools to see: ..." (https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6227174?hl=en)
>
> What order of magnitude are they in practice requiring to qualify for
> "large volume"? 100 / day? 1000, 1?
>
>
> You need to send at least 100/day.
>
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools Volume Requirements

[Ken O'Driscoll via mailop]

On Wed, 2020-05-13 at 11:18 -0700, Brian Toresdahl via mailop wrote:
> Any experience within this group with what Google means when they
> say:"If you send a large volume of emails to Gmail users, you can use
> Postmaster Tools to see: ..." (
> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6227174?hl=en)
> What order of magnitude are they in practice requiring to qualify for
> "large volume"? 100 / day? 1000, 1?

You need to send at least 100/day.

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[mailop] Google Postmaster Tools Volume Requirements

[Brian Toresdahl via mailop]

Any experience within this group with what Google means when they say:"If
you send a large volume of emails to Gmail users, you can use Postmaster
Tools to see: ..." (https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6227174?hl=en)

What order of magnitude are they in practice requiring to qualify for
"large volume"? 100 / day? 1000, 1?

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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools Not Updated Since 3/23

[Udeme Ukutt]

Hey Mike: I'm aware (with some other folks), I alerted someone there
earlier.

Udeme - Postmaster @ Wish

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 5:05 PM Michael E. Weisel 
wrote:

> Good afternoon fellow MailOpers, I hope everyone is having a great start
> to the week!  We’ve noticed that the Google Postmaster Tools hasn’t updated
> stats since 3/23.  Anyone else seeing this?  In the past I’ve posted to
> their forums when this has happened but usually don’t get much of a
> response there.  I’m happy to start a thread there if others are seeing the
> same thing and point everyone there.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> Michael E. Weisel
>
> CTO / Deliverability Lead
>
> Gold Lasso
>
> 25 Chestnut Street, Suite B
>
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[mailop] Google Postmaster Tools Not Updated Since 3/23

[Michael E. Weisel]

Good afternoon fellow MailOpers, I hope everyone is having a great start to the 
week!  We’ve noticed that the Google Postmaster Tools hasn’t updated stats 
since 3/23.  Anyone else seeing this?  In the past I’ve posted to their forums 
when this has happened but usually don’t get much of a response there.  I’m 
happy to start a thread there if others are seeing the same thing and point 
everyone there.


Thanks,

Michael

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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools lagging several days behind?

[Udeme Ukutt]

Looks like a 2 to 3 day lag, I see as far back as 11/7 now.

On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 3:22 PM Anthony Chiulli 
wrote:

> Yes, no data since11/ 5 for us too. Sounds like another hiccup with GPT,
> happens from time to time. Sure it will be corrected soon and data will
> catch back up.
>
> - Anthony Chiulli
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 1:00 PM Robert Rubenking 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone else seeing a longer than typical delay in updates?  Even my most
>> active domains have not updated since 11/5.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark/Brandon any insights?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bob
>>
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools lagging several days behind?

[Anthony Chiulli]

Yes, no data since11/ 5 for us too. Sounds like another hiccup with GPT,
happens from time to time. Sure it will be corrected soon and data will
catch back up.

- Anthony Chiulli




On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 1:00 PM Robert Rubenking 
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> Anyone else seeing a longer than typical delay in updates?  Even my most
> active domains have not updated since 11/5.
>
>
>
> Mark/Brandon any insights?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools lagging several days behind?

[Benjamin BILLON]

You
are not
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From: mailop  On Behalf Of Robert Rubenking
Sent: vendredi 9 novembre 2018 20:53
To: mailop 
Subject: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools lagging several days behind?

Anyone else seeing a longer than typical delay in updates?  Even my most active 
domains have not updated since 11/5.

Mark/Brandon any insights?


Thanks,
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[Robert Rubenking]

Anyone else seeing a longer than typical delay in updates?  Even my most active 
domains have not updated since 11/5.

Mark/Brandon any insights?


Thanks,
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools busted again?

[Taylor Ferguson via mailop]

I'm seeing the same as well. Google has back populated data in the past,
hopefully they do the same here.

On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Allen Kevorkov via mailop <
mailop@mailop.org> wrote:

> Hi folks...last data I have for GPT is 5/24. Anyone else seeing the same?
>
> Thanks!
>
> ~Allen K
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools busted again?

[Ewald Kessler | webpower]

Yes, same here. No data after May 24.

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> Hi folks...last data I have for GPT is 5/24. Anyone else seeing the same?
>
> Thanks!
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[Allen Kevorkov via mailop]

Hi folks...last data I have for GPT is 5/24. Anyone else seeing the same?
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools

[Bressier Simon]

Seems the IP reputation is back, also for the previous days.

2017-08-08 19:09 GMT+02:00 Mohammed Ahmed :

> I got an update that Gmail is looking into this issue and will get an
> update once it will get resolved.
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Michael Rathbun  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:27:48 -0500, Nick Schafer  wrote:
>>
>> >Anyone else not getting recent data back from Google Postmaster Tools? I
>> >know there is the usual lag of a day or two but I'm not seeing anything
>> >since the 2nd.
>>
>> Widely reported.  Same here.
>>
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools

[Mohammed Ahmed]

I got an update that Gmail is looking into this issue and will get an
update once it will get resolved.

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Michael Rathbun  wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:27:48 -0500, Nick Schafer  wrote:
>
> >Anyone else not getting recent data back from Google Postmaster Tools? I
> >know there is the usual lag of a day or two but I'm not seeing anything
> >since the 2nd.
>
> Widely reported.  Same here.
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools

[Michael Rathbun]

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:27:48 -0500, Nick Schafer  wrote:

>Anyone else not getting recent data back from Google Postmaster Tools? I
>know there is the usual lag of a day or two but I'm not seeing anything
>since the 2nd.

Widely reported.  Same here.

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[mailop] Google Postmaster Tools

[Nick Schafer]

Anyone else not getting recent data back from Google Postmaster Tools? I
know there is the usual lag of a day or two but I'm not seeing anything
since the 2nd.

Best,

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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - Authentification accuracy or issue on my side ?

[Benjamin BILLON via mailop]

I see these disparities for domains that are used in MAIL FROM / envelope
header / return-path (for SPF), and that sometimes are used for DKIM
signing (so it's not 0%), but not always (so it's not 100%).

With no more detail about your settings, content and traffic it would be
hard to help, but adding an ruf= in your DMARC record will most probably
give you more insight.

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2017-08-01 13:41 GMT+02:00 Ken O'Driscoll :

> Hi Yves-Marie,
>
> My guess, and it's just a guess, is that the discrepancy might be down to
> the "alignment" of the SPF and DKIM records.
>
> DMARC requires that the domain of the SPF approved email source in the
> envelope header (return-path) matches the domain in the From address. It
> also requires that DKIM selector domain matches that of the From address
> domain.
>
> However, in the absence of DMARC, SPF and DKIM are not bound to the From
> address domain in any way. You can protect an email with SPF and DKIM using
> any domain name(s) and it will still validate.
>
> So, I suspect that Google Postmaster may be reporting correctly validating
> SPF and DKIM authentication but also indicating that not all of that is
> aligned, i.e. not compliant with your DMARC policy.
>
> The easiest thing to do is look at the DMARC failure email reports and see
> what they are saying.
>
> Ken.
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> On Tue, 2017-08-01 at 09:54 +0200, Yves-Marie Le Pors Chauvel wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > Since a few weeks from now, I'm having some results I don't really
> > understand with Google Postmaster Tools.
> >
> > When I take a look at the Authentification page, my SPF and DKIM
> > compliancy are always 100% but my DMARC compliancy is variation from day
> > to day (from 5.9% to 77.3%) without changing anything on my side.
> >
> > If I check on Dmarcian, for Google reports, I have a compliance level of
> > 100%...
> >
> > Does any one have any idea where it should come from ?
> >
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - Authentification accuracy or issue on my side ?

[Ken O'Driscoll]

Hi Yves-Marie,

My guess, and it's just a guess, is that the discrepancy might be down to
the "alignment" of the SPF and DKIM records.

DMARC requires that the domain of the SPF approved email source in the
envelope header (return-path) matches the domain in the From address. It
also requires that DKIM selector domain matches that of the From address
domain.

However, in the absence of DMARC, SPF and DKIM are not bound to the From
address domain in any way. You can protect an email with SPF and DKIM using
any domain name(s) and it will still validate.

So, I suspect that Google Postmaster may be reporting correctly validating
SPF and DKIM authentication but also indicating that not all of that is
aligned, i.e. not compliant with your DMARC policy.

The easiest thing to do is look at the DMARC failure email reports and see
what they are saying.

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On Tue, 2017-08-01 at 09:54 +0200, Yves-Marie Le Pors Chauvel wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> Since a few weeks from now, I'm having some results I don't really
> understand with Google Postmaster Tools.
> 
> When I take a look at the Authentification page, my SPF and DKIM
> compliancy are always 100% but my DMARC compliancy is variation from day
> to day (from 5.9% to 77.3%) without changing anything on my side.
> 
> If I check on Dmarcian, for Google reports, I have a compliance level of
> 100%...
> 
> Does any one have any idea where it should come from ?
> 
> Regads,
> 
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[mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - Authentification accuracy or issue on my side ?

[Yves-Marie Le Pors Chauvel]

Hi there,

Since a few weeks from now, I'm having some results I don't really
understand with Google Postmaster Tools.

When I take a look at the Authentification page, my SPF and DKIM compliancy
are always 100% but my DMARC compliancy is variation from day to day (from
5.9% to 77.3%) without changing anything on my side.

If I check on Dmarcian, for Google reports, I have a compliance level of
100%...

Does any one have any idea where it should come from ?

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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools: spam rates

[Benjamin BILLON via mailop]

Anna's case is still uncanny, I trust her organization respects Gmail's
requirements to use identifiers for campaigns, and not being almost unique
per message sent. If it was the case anyway, she wouldn't get enough volume
per identifier to trigger any feedback.

I found a case in my data:
- number of markers in the FBL (in "feedback loop spam"): 1 (the identifier
of one given campaign)
- spam rate for this campaign (in "feedback loop spam"): 0.3%
- spam rate for that given day (in "user reported spam"): 0.1%

Here it makes sense. The domain was used for other campaigns, but only this
one generated enough complaints to notice me.

Indeed we don't have access to enough info from Anna, but I guess she does,
so let's see if there's an happy ending =)
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2017-07-31 21:16 GMT+02:00 Bressier simon :

> Well, actually it depends on how the identifiers are defined, if they are
> almost unique per messages sent, that's normal, but we don't have enough
> infos here on how the identifiers are assigned/defined.
>
> users spam rate is the spam rate for your whole domain, not depending if
> it reach any max spam rate on Gmail, so you can have a 0.1% rate for example
>
> On feedbackloop page, you have the spam rate per identifier, an identifier
> has to identify a specific customer, a campaign, a mail flow, so you can
> have rates per identifiers, which works fine on our side actually. You can
> have datas for an identifier only if it reach a non negligeable rate,
> basically, if you have datas for an identifier, it means there is an issue
> with the flow identified.
>
>
>
> 2017-07-31 15:50 GMT+02:00 Benjamin BILLON via mailop :
>
>> Digging up this topic,
>>
>> @Anna> you might have had some feedback from Google about that since your
>> message?
>>
>> I can still sleep at night, but I'm curious about the outcome!
>> --
>>
>> Benjamin
>>
>> 2017-05-31 18:23 GMT+02:00 Nick Schafer :
>>
>>> The feedback loop shouldn't include messages caught by their spam filter
>>> as users aren't able to complain against a message already in the spam
>>> folder. The feedback loop is used to identify campaigns in a sender's
>>> traffic that are getting a high volume of complaints from Gmail users. From
>>> my understanding the user reported spam number would be the overall rate
>>> that day for that DKIM domain while the feedback loop would be for the
>>> identifier specified. But if the only messages they sent that day had the
>>> broadcast identifier, i would expect the rates to be much closer. Maybe an
>>> error or someone complaining then marking not spam, and then doing the same
>>> thing over and over?
>>>
>>> Nick Schafer
>>> Technical Account Manager, Mailgun 
>>> m:(210) 833-3933
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 5:53 AM, Paul Smith  wrote:
>>>
 On 31/05/2017 10:29, Anna Ward wrote:

 I've talked to a bunch of different industry folks at this point, and
 no one seems to understand the difference between "user reported spam" and
 "feedback loop spam" in Google Postmaster Tools
 .

 A notable example for me was May 8th when a client's DKIM domain showed
 a 100% "feedback loop spam rate" but only a 0.1% "user reported spam rate" 
 (
 screenshots ).
 They sent to about 4000 Gmail addresses that day, and the one
 identifier in the Feedback Loop graph was "broadcast" (represents the
 message type, a bulk-send newsletter). All of their outgoing mail used the
 "broadcast" identifier like this: Feedback-Id:
 ::broadcast:getresponse

 I just can't think of a scenario where the Feedback Loop could be at
 100% but the Spam Rate ("user reported") would be at only 0.1%. How are
 such drastic differences possible?


 If the feedback loop includes messages caught by their spam filter,
 then if their spam blocked everything, that would show 100% as spam, but
 most users wouldn't see the spam or bother reporting it as spam (because
 it's already been caught) so the user reported spam rate would be
 approaching zero.




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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools: spam rates

[Benjamin BILLON via mailop]

Digging up this topic,

@Anna> you might have had some feedback from Google about that since your
message?

I can still sleep at night, but I'm curious about the outcome!
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2017-05-31 18:23 GMT+02:00 Nick Schafer :

> The feedback loop shouldn't include messages caught by their spam filter
> as users aren't able to complain against a message already in the spam
> folder. The feedback loop is used to identify campaigns in a sender's
> traffic that are getting a high volume of complaints from Gmail users. From
> my understanding the user reported spam number would be the overall rate
> that day for that DKIM domain while the feedback loop would be for the
> identifier specified. But if the only messages they sent that day had the
> broadcast identifier, i would expect the rates to be much closer. Maybe an
> error or someone complaining then marking not spam, and then doing the same
> thing over and over?
>
> Nick Schafer
> Technical Account Manager, Mailgun 
> m:(210) 833-3933
>
> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 5:53 AM, Paul Smith  wrote:
>
>> On 31/05/2017 10:29, Anna Ward wrote:
>>
>> I've talked to a bunch of different industry folks at this point, and no
>> one seems to understand the difference between "user reported spam" and
>> "feedback loop spam" in Google Postmaster Tools
>> .
>>
>> A notable example for me was May 8th when a client's DKIM domain showed a
>> 100% "feedback loop spam rate" but only a 0.1% "user reported spam rate" (
>> screenshots ).
>> They sent to about 4000 Gmail addresses that day, and the one identifier
>> in the Feedback Loop graph was "broadcast" (represents the message type, a
>> bulk-send newsletter). All of their outgoing mail used the "broadcast"
>> identifier like this: Feedback-Id: ::broadcast:getresponse
>>
>> I just can't think of a scenario where the Feedback Loop could be at 100%
>> but the Spam Rate ("user reported") would be at only 0.1%. How are such
>> drastic differences possible?
>>
>>
>> If the feedback loop includes messages caught by their spam filter, then
>> if their spam blocked everything, that would show 100% as spam, but most
>> users wouldn't see the spam or bother reporting it as spam (because it's
>> already been caught) so the user reported spam rate would be approaching
>> zero.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools: spam rates

[Nick Schafer]

The feedback loop shouldn't include messages caught by their spam filter as
users aren't able to complain against a message already in the spam folder.
The feedback loop is used to identify campaigns in a sender's traffic that
are getting a high volume of complaints from Gmail users. From my
understanding the user reported spam number would be the overall rate that
day for that DKIM domain while the feedback loop would be for the
identifier specified. But if the only messages they sent that day had the
broadcast identifier, i would expect the rates to be much closer. Maybe an
error or someone complaining then marking not spam, and then doing the same
thing over and over?

Nick Schafer
Technical Account Manager, Mailgun 
m:(210) 833-3933

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 5:53 AM, Paul Smith  wrote:

> On 31/05/2017 10:29, Anna Ward wrote:
>
> I've talked to a bunch of different industry folks at this point, and no
> one seems to understand the difference between "user reported spam" and
> "feedback loop spam" in Google Postmaster Tools
> .
>
> A notable example for me was May 8th when a client's DKIM domain showed a
> 100% "feedback loop spam rate" but only a 0.1% "user reported spam rate" (
> screenshots ).
> They sent to about 4000 Gmail addresses that day, and the one identifier
> in the Feedback Loop graph was "broadcast" (represents the message type, a
> bulk-send newsletter). All of their outgoing mail used the "broadcast"
> identifier like this: Feedback-Id: ::broadcast:getresponse
>
> I just can't think of a scenario where the Feedback Loop could be at 100%
> but the Spam Rate ("user reported") would be at only 0.1%. How are such
> drastic differences possible?
>
>
> If the feedback loop includes messages caught by their spam filter, then
> if their spam blocked everything, that would show 100% as spam, but most
> users wouldn't see the spam or bother reporting it as spam (because it's
> already been caught) so the user reported spam rate would be approaching
> zero.
>
>
>
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Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools: spam rates

[Paul Smith]

On 31/05/2017 10:29, Anna Ward wrote:
I've talked to a bunch of different industry folks at this point, and 
no one seems to understand the difference between "user reported spam" 
and "feedback loop spam" in Google Postmaster Tools 
.


A notable example for me was May 8th when a client's DKIM domain 
showed a 100% "feedback loop spam rate" but only a 0.1% "user reported 
spam rate" (screenshots ).
They sent to about 4000 Gmail addresses that day, and the one 
identifier in the Feedback Loop graph was "broadcast" (represents the 
message type, a bulk-send newsletter). All of their outgoing mail used 
the "broadcast" identifier like this: Feedback-Id: 
::broadcast:getresponse


I just can't think of a scenario where the Feedback Loop could be at 
100% but the Spam Rate ("user reported") would be at only 0.1%. How 
are such drastic differences possible?


If the feedback loop includes messages caught by their spam filter, then 
if their spam blocked everything, that would show 100% as spam, but most 
users wouldn't see the spam or bother reporting it as spam (because it's 
already been caught) so the user reported spam rate would be approaching 
zero.




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[mailop] Google Postmaster Tools: spam rates

[Anna Ward]

I've talked to a bunch of different industry folks at this point, and no
one seems to understand the difference between "user reported spam" and
"feedback loop spam" in Google Postmaster Tools
.

A notable example for me was May 8th when a client's DKIM domain showed a
100% "feedback loop spam rate" but only a 0.1% "user reported spam rate" (
screenshots ).
They sent to about 4000 Gmail addresses that day, and the one identifier in
the Feedback Loop graph was "broadcast" (represents the message type, a
bulk-send newsletter). All of their outgoing mail used the "broadcast"
identifier like this: Feedback-Id: ::broadcast:getresponse

I just can't think of a scenario where the Feedback Loop could be at 100%
but the Spam Rate ("user reported") would be at only 0.1%. How are such
drastic differences possible?

Thanks for any insight!
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[mailop] Google Postmaster Tools Spam Rate and Feedback Loop Data Showing 0

[Matt Rideout]

I'm attempting to use Gmail's feedback loop and have run into some 
issues that I was hoping to get some input on. I suspect that the issues 
are related to using different domains for SPF and DKIM authentication.


The first issue is that both the "Spam Rate", and "Feedback Loop Spam 
Rate" are shown as 0 for a domain that is DKIM signing the messages. The 
volume is high enough (millions of messages per day) and lots of opens 
are generated -- I would expect to see at least some complaints.


Each message is DKIM signed twice.

The d= domain of the first signature is the domain that appears in the 
From address header.


The d= domain of the second signature is a domain that we setup solely 
for the purpose of making registering for Google Postmaster Tools easier.


There are hundreds of DKIM keys being used for the first d= domain, most 
of which have their DNS managed by customers. Instead of registering 
each of the existing DKIM key domains with Google, we dedicated a domain 
to DKIM signing and registered it with Google. That domain has both DKIM 
and SPF configured (as required for the Gmail Feedback Loop). We are 
using different domain names in the Return-Path of the messages, so this 
domain should not be involved in SPF authentication.


The "Spam Rate" and "Feedback Loop Spam Rate" are both 0 for second d= 
domain.


The second issue is this: If I go to the Authentication page of Google 
Postmaster Tools, if I look at the second d= domain, I see a 100% DKIM 
success rate and a 0% SPF success rate.


The SPF success rate should not be zero: we do have some customers that 
have setup their own custom return-path domain names, and it's 
conceivable that some of them have broken SPF records, but those are the 
exception, not the rule. If I send a test message to a Gmail account, 
Gmail shows both DKIM and SPF as passing.


By contrast, another, low volume domain is having Spam Rate data logged, 
and is showing 100% DKIM and SPF success rates. The thing that sticks 
out at me as being different about this lower volume domain is that the 
same domain name is being used for both DKIM and SPF.


The best guess I can come up with based on all of the above is that 
Google Postmaster Tools requires that DKIM and SPF authentication be 
performed using the same domain. However, I don't see this in the 
documentation for the Gmail Feedback Loop. Is this the case, or does it 
sound like I'm running into something else?


Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Matt


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