Re: How To Build A Perl Package Database

2013-01-02 Thread demerphq
On 31 December 2012 19:38, Leon Timmermans faw...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Jan Dubois j...@activestate.com wrote: Mostly I would prohibit sharing of directories between Perl installations, and even within a single installation, the sharing of directories between

Re: How To Build A Perl Package Database

2013-01-02 Thread Johan Vromans
[Quoting Philippe Bruhat (BooK), on January 2 2013, 01:23, in Re: How To Build A P] One issue I had when trying to store distributions with Git::CPAN::Hook is that if a file does not change between two versions of a distribution, then git won't detect it. This doesn't look like a problem if

Re: How To Build A Perl Package Database

2012-12-31 Thread Jan Dubois
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Leon Timmermans faw...@gmail.com wrote: Anyways, I just wanted to say that without putting some restrictions on how modules (and corresponding scripts) can be installed, creating a package manager would seem to get even more complex than

Re: How To Build A Perl Package Database

2012-12-31 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Jan Dubois j...@activestate.com wrote: Mostly I would prohibit sharing of directories between Perl installations, and even within a single installation, the sharing of directories between install locations. E.g. the default configuration right now has

Re: How To Build A Perl Package Database

2012-12-28 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Jan Dubois j...@activestate.com wrote: I wonder if it isn't time to deprecate all the complex install combinations that may have made sense when hard disks was rather limited. In ActivePerl we enforce a pretty simplified install layout to be able to create an

Re: How To Build A Perl Package Database

2012-12-20 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 08:23:51PM +0100, Ask Bjørn Hansen wrote: On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:36, Tim Bunce tim.bu...@pobox.com wrote: A separate install database for each install location seems like the only workable approach. It seems to me that the database indeed will have to be[1] per

Re: How To Build A Perl Package Database

2012-12-20 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Tim Bunce tim.bu...@pobox.com wrote: A separate install database for each install location seems like the only workable approach. One minor complication of that is the strictest sense an install location isn't all that well defined. Or perhaps I should say every

Re: How To Build A Perl Package Database

2012-12-20 Thread Johan Vromans
Tim Bunce tim.bu...@pobox.com writes: A separate install database for each install location seems like the only workable approach. Store the complete distribution in a git repository? -- Johan

Re: How To Build A Perl Package Database

2012-12-20 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:42:06AM +0100, Leon Timmermans wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Tim Bunce tim.bu...@pobox.com wrote: A separate install database for each install location seems like the only workable approach. One minor complication of that is the strictest sense an

Re: How To Build A Perl Package Database

2012-12-17 Thread Tim Bunce
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 04:53:49PM -0800, Michael G Schwern wrote: On 2012.12.16 11:57 AM, Leon Timmermans wrote: * Where to put the database? What about non-standard install locations? Another is to have a separate install database for non-standard install locations. A separate

Re: How To Build A Perl Package Database

2012-12-17 Thread demerphq
On 17 December 2012 01:53, Michael G Schwern schw...@pobox.com wrote: On 2012.12.16 11:57 AM, Leon Timmermans wrote: I can agree with all of that. Actually, starting a discussion about this was on my todo-list for the last QA hackathon but I didn't get around to it. Ideally, it should replace

Re: How To Build A Perl Package Database

2012-12-17 Thread Alberto Simoes
Thoughts? Seems a good idea. Anybody wiling to submit a TPF grant to work on this? O:-)

Re: How To Build A Perl Package Database

2012-12-17 Thread Johan Vromans
Michael G Schwern schw...@pobox.com writes: We have a lot of serious problems because we lack a database of installed distributions, releases and files. No, that is not our problem. Our problem is that we want to handle it ourselves. This may have been a good approach in the dark ages, but

Re: How To Build A Perl Package Database

2012-12-17 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Johan Vromans jvrom...@squirrel.nl wrote: Debian, and most other systems have decent package- and install managers. *They* maintain the database with installed distributions, releases and files. The only good approach for us is to play with them. So, an

Re: How To Build A Perl Package Database

2012-12-17 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Michael G Schwern schw...@pobox.com wrote: We have a lot of serious problems because we lack a database of installed distributions, releases and files. There are serious problems with implementing one given A) the limitations of the standard Perl install and

Re: How To Build A Perl Package Database

2012-12-17 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 1:53 AM, Michael G Schwern schw...@pobox.com wrote: I was thinking about what you said about packlists, and I wonder how much information one could scrape out of them. Would it be enough to reconstruct at least that a group of files belongs to a release? That would be

Re: How To Build A Perl Package Database

2012-12-17 Thread Ask Bjørn Hansen
On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:36, Tim Bunce tim.bu...@pobox.com wrote: A separate install database for each install location seems like the only workable approach. It seems to me that the database indeed will have to be[1] per library root and the tools using the database will need to know to do

Re: How To Build A Perl Package Database

2012-12-17 Thread Adam Kennedy
Packlist 2.0 MYMETA + installed file details ? On Dec 17, 2012 12:36 AM, Tim Bunce tim.bu...@pobox.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 04:53:49PM -0800, Michael G Schwern wrote: On 2012.12.16 11:57 AM, Leon Timmermans wrote: * Where to put the database? What about non-standard install

Re: How To Build A Perl Package Database

2012-12-16 Thread Michael G Schwern
On 2012.12.16 1:10 PM, Leon Timmermans wrote: On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Johan Vromans jvrom...@squirrel.nl wrote: Debian, and most other systems have decent package- and install managers. *They* maintain the database with installed distributions, releases and files. The only good