Re: VIRGIL: The Fourfold Method

1998-04-30 Thread Bridget Balint
For a very useful introduction to allegorical interpretation, and info on its practice at the school of Chartres, try W. Wetherbee's _Platonism and Poetry in the Twelfth Century_. I think Prof. Wetherbee has also written on Bernard Silvestris, who produced (also in the 12th c) an allegorical

Re: VIRGIL: nemo Hercule, nemo

1998-04-30 Thread David Wilson-Okamura
At 12:51 PM 4/29/98 -0500, you wrote: David, do I understand you correctly that this is just the general use of hercle as an oath, an exclamation, and not a personal reference to Hercules? That's right: the author I cited (Lipsius) was an ardent Dutch Protestant, so I don't think he was

Re: VIRGIL: The Fourfold Method

1998-04-30 Thread David Wilson-Okamura
At 05:17 PM 4/29/98 -0700, you wrote: Second, Johnson mentions the allegorical schools: the Stoicizing Homerists, Philo, the church fathers, the school of Chartres and Dante down to Spencer. Can someone flesh out the allegorical schools and/or name some books that specifically take up the

Re: VIRGIL: The Fourfold Method

1998-04-30 Thread Philip Thibodeau
My own understanding of J's reductive mythmaking is this. The emphasis is not on the mythmaking - J. makes it clear that he has nothing against myths per se, or their making, only against their misapplication - but on the reductiveness. Reductive is one of those vague words that people

Re: VIRGIL: nemo Hercule, nemo

1998-04-30 Thread Leofranc Holford-Strevens
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Wilson-Okamura [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes That's right: the author I cited (Lipsius) was an ardent Dutch Protestant, so I don't think he was really swearing by Hercules. I would translate it as by gum or something generic like that. But the contracted form is old:

VIRGIL: Reply to Thibodeau: Fourfold method

1998-04-30 Thread JAMES C Wiersum
I appreciate your interpretation of Johnson's reductive mythmaking. That, say, the Aeneid is really about virtue. That's a helpful insight. When I was in seminary twenty years ago it was very common to say the Bible was really about the Kingdom of God. In fact my seminary, Calvin