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Dear Vladimiro;
In Ptolemy's text (III, 8) exists only ONE Ziridava but the spelling may
differ as Ziridava / Ziridaua / Ziridana.
There are 2 main sets of coordinates (49 30 / 46 20 and 45 30 / 46 20) but I
did find a lot of other variants (with huge differences!) in the 27
manuscripts and 50 printed editions of Ptolemy's Geographia I did checked
until now.
Best Regards,
S o r i n
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From: Vladimiro Valerio
To: Discussion group for map history
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 201
Subject: Re: [MapHist] RE:Re: Dacia in the Ptolemaic maps
Dear Sorin,
You say you are studying the position of Ziradava in the Ptolemaic IX Map of
Europe, and you found that in the Roman Edition of 1478 the place appears
twice on the same map, and you are trying to found the source of this
mistake, am I right?
Well, you never mention in your posting the coordinates of the place (by the
way some transliterate from Greek Ziridava others Ziridana) that occur in
the text. Have you had a look at the text? How many Ziridava/na appear in
the text and which place in the related map is correct according to the
coordinates?
with the best of wishes
vladimiro
Il giorno 21/set/2011, Sorin Fortiu ha scritto:
Dear Doug;
Quite interesting your findings! As far as I know, there was a period of
time when in the mind of the scholars DACIA = DANIA (roughly, today,
Denmark). You can find at http://www.dacia.org/lundius/Summary/summary.html
something about it.
For Ptolemy, DACIA was in the N up to the Carpathians Mountains (on the
Tisza river/ roughly, today, the N border of Romania). At N from the
Carpathians Mountains was Sarmatia. But in the N the Carpathians are going
up to Poland! So, it is possible that Gastaldi had the impression that not
the first line of the Carpathians (the one on Tisza river) was the border of
Dacia BUT the second line (the one going trough Poland) / see at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Carpathians-satellite.jpg
Germany was bordered in the SE corner by the Iazyges
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iazyges
I am studying now the Ziridava problem (after I finished Zurobara and before
moving to Singidava). This is one of the 44 ?poleis? Ptolemy lists for Dacia
and he is the only one that mentioned Ziridava. The mistake I was talking
about is the representation of this Ziridava twice on the same map. I knew
that the roman edition from 1478 had this mistake and I was interested to
see if this is also in the Codex Ebnerianus?s family of manuscripts done by
Donnus Nicolaus Germanus knowing that the maps from the 1478 editions were
done after a codex from this family. And I did find the same mistake in
Codex Ebnerianus. So, I know that this mistake occurred in the work shop of
Donnus Nicolaus Germanus around 1460-?66.
What is very strange (and without answer(s) in this moment!) is why Donnus
Nicolaus Germanus change the position of Ziridava on his maps during the
time (there are 3 different locations and the differences are huge!). It had
something to do with the manuscripts he used during his 4th recessions but I
doubt that there is an answer given by somebody yet to the question: which
manuscripts Donnus Nicolaus Germanus used during the time in working his own
manuscripts?
I would love to know the longitude/latitude of Ziridava as is given by the
Gastaldi?s map for Dacia.
Best regards,
S o r i n
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