Re: [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4
Maybe make it an option when installing? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Justin Swanhart greenl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I agree with Kristian. Given the way it works, the statistics are really meaningless and I feel you shouldn't drive important choices based on bad statistics. I personally would suggest displaying a link to a feedback/survey form with web downloads and display a message after rpm/deb installation that says something like please visit http://blah/blah/blah/survey to tell us more about the features you use and help direct the future development of MariaDB. This has an added bonus: not all users know about all features, and a list/survey of the important and interesting ones could get more users to use them. Just my $.02 --Justin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:19 AM, Kristian Nielsen kniel...@knielsen-hq.org wrote: Michael Widenius mo...@askmonty.org writes: for the alpha so I suggested Sergei today that we should enable it for the beta period of MariaDB 10.0 (10.*1* beta, I guess?) As most MariaDB users should know, the feedback is totally anonymous and no private or sensitive information is being sent. Any comments, suggestions or recommendations? I think it is a bad idea. Please do not do it. Phone-home is a misfeature in any product, and even more so in system software like a database. And besides, the information is much less useful than you think, because of unknown, but probably extreme, data skew. In fact, it will probably be more harmful than useful because people will use bad data to justify bad decisions. Experience supports this point of view with our download numbers. They do not include apt-get / yum / etc. installations, which judging from IRC conversations are the majority. Yet people continuely refer to them as though they mean anything, just because they are there. - Kristian. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss Post to : maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss Post to : maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss Post to : maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4
Hi, I agree with Kristian. Given the way it works, the statistics are really meaningless and I feel you shouldn't drive important choices based on bad statistics. I personally would suggest displaying a link to a feedback/survey form with web downloads and display a message after rpm/deb installation that says something like please visit http://blah/blah/blah/survey to tell us more about the features you use and help direct the future development of MariaDB. This has an added bonus: not all users know about all features, and a list/survey of the important and interesting ones could get more users to use them. Just my $.02 --Justin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:19 AM, Kristian Nielsen kniel...@knielsen-hq.org wrote: Michael Widenius mo...@askmonty.org writes: for the alpha so I suggested Sergei today that we should enable it for the beta period of MariaDB 10.0 (10.*1* beta, I guess?) As most MariaDB users should know, the feedback is totally anonymous and no private or sensitive information is being sent. Any comments, suggestions or recommendations? I think it is a bad idea. Please do not do it. Phone-home is a misfeature in any product, and even more so in system software like a database. And besides, the information is much less useful than you think, because of unknown, but probably extreme, data skew. In fact, it will probably be more harmful than useful because people will use bad data to justify bad decisions. Experience supports this point of view with our download numbers. They do not include apt-get / yum / etc. installations, which judging from IRC conversations are the majority. Yet people continuely refer to them as though they mean anything, just because they are there. - Kristian. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss Post to : maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss Post to : maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Maria-discuss] Source package for Ubuntu Precise is missing
Hi, It seems that source package of MariaDB 10.0.17 for Ubuntu Precise Pangolin (12.04 LTS) isn't provided. Binary packages for Precise Pangolin are provided. mariadb-10.0_10.0.17+maria-1~trusty.dsc (for Trusty Tahr) and mariadb-10.0_10.0.17+maria-1~utopic.dsc (for Utopic Unicorn) exist at: http://mirror.jmu.edu/pub/mariadb/repo/10.0/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mariadb-10.0/ But for Precise doesn't exist at there. Is Precise support finished? Could you confirm it? FYI: Source package of MariaDB 5.5.42 for Ubuntu Precise Pangolin (12.04 LTS) is provided. http://mirror.jmu.edu/pub/mariadb/repo/5.5/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mariadb-5.5/ Thanks, -- kou ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss Post to : maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4
Michael Widenius mo...@askmonty.org writes: for the alpha so I suggested Sergei today that we should enable it for the beta period of MariaDB 10.0 (10.*1* beta, I guess?) As most MariaDB users should know, the feedback is totally anonymous and no private or sensitive information is being sent. Any comments, suggestions or recommendations? I think it is a bad idea. Please do not do it. Phone-home is a misfeature in any product, and even more so in system software like a database. And besides, the information is much less useful than you think, because of unknown, but probably extreme, data skew. In fact, it will probably be more harmful than useful because people will use bad data to justify bad decisions. Experience supports this point of view with our download numbers. They do not include apt-get / yum / etc. installations, which judging from IRC conversations are the majority. Yet people continuely refer to them as though they mean anything, just because they are there. - Kristian. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss Post to : maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4
Hi! We had originally planned to enable the feedback plugin by default for the Alpha and Beta stages of MariaDB 10.1, but we forgot to do this for the alpha so I suggested Sergei today that we should enable it for the beta period of MariaDB 10.0 We agreed that before doing this we would have a discussion on the maria developer list to explain why we would like to do this. The reason we would like to enable it is to get information about which features people are testing and using in MariaDB 10.1, so that we can concentrate our testing and bug fixing during the beta phase for those areas that people are actually using. This would help our development work a lot and would also help us to plan for MariaDB 10.2 development. Anyone will be able to disable the feedback plugin by adding: --feedback=OFF to their my.cnf file. In MariaDB 10.1 gamma/release we would make it default OFF again. We will of course inform everyone about this change, including how to disable the feedback, in the MariaDB changelog and release notes. We do of course hope that as many as possible will have it on, even after gamma, to help us with our development work! Information about the MariaDB feedback plugin and the statistics it provides can be found at: http://mariadb.org/feedback_plugin https://mariadb.com/kb/feedback-plugin As most MariaDB users should know, the feedback is totally anonymous and no private or sensitive information is being sent. Any comments, suggestions or recommendations? Regards, Michael Widenius Creator of MySQL and MariaDB ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss Post to : maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
