Re: [Maria-discuss] Code of Conduct
On 22.12.22 17:21, Antony Stone wrote: To be honest, your conduct in this very discussion is making me start to wonder whether you might become the first person asked to leave the forum for personal abuse. I was starting to think the same ... :( -- Hartmut Holzgraefe, Principal Support Engineer (EMEA) MariaDB Corporation | http://www.mariadb.com/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss Post to : maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Maria-discuss] Code of Conduct
On Thursday 22 December 2022 at 17:01:21, Ruben Safir wrote: > Fuck the Nazi's and the Code of Conduct. To be honest, your conduct in this very discussion is making me start to wonder whether you might become the first person asked to leave the forum for personal abuse. Or, have I misinterpreted who you are referring to as Nazis here? If you meant it as a general term and nothing at all to do with any people in the MariaDB group specifically, then plenty of people might agree with your sentiments, but I still think it's an inappropriate way to express your feelings here about the National Socialist party of the German third Reich. Antony. -- "Remember: the S in IoT stands for Security." - Jan-Piet Mens Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss Post to : maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Maria-discuss] Code of Conduct
Hi Kristian, On 22/12/2022 12:27, Kristian Nielsen wrote: Andrew Hutchings writes: Instead the intention is to discourage people from personal attacks at each other, which negatively affects the group as a whole. It doesn't affect anyone at all expect those that choose to read them and have nothing better to spend their time on than react to them and feed the trolls. Unfortunately not true, such activity is seen by newer member of the community and these people go elsewhere (yes, this has happened, more than once). The way to improve the mailing lists is to move the traffic from mariadb.com / mariadb.org internal mailing lists/private mail onto the public lists. Not to put up systems to reduce the trafic even further (however low the value of such traffic may currently be). All the MariaDB mailing lists are public already. Mailing list message activity isn't too high, many people have moved on to other methods of communication (Zulip, MariaDB Community Slack, Reddit, etc...). But I don't see the mailing list going away any time soon either. Kind Regards -- Andrew (LinuxJedi) Hutchings Chief Contributions Officer MariaDB Foundation ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss Post to : maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Maria-discuss] Code of Conduct
On Thursday 22 December 2022 at 13:27:00, Kristian Nielsen wrote: > Andrew Hutchings writes: > > Instead the intention is to discourage people from personal attacks at > > each other, which negatively affects the group as a whole. > > It doesn't affect anyone at all except those that choose to read them and > have nothing better to spend their time on than react to them and feed the > trolls. > > The way to improve the mailing lists is to move the traffic from > mariadb.com / mariadb.org internal mailing lists/private mail onto the > public lists. Is this not a public list? I think I have worked who/what sparked off this decision to introduce a CofC - the reason I wasn't previously aware is because the person I now think has triggered this action has been on my "delete any email from / to / about this person" for some years, due to unpleasant interactions I have seen or been part of, on too many other lists. I can certainly say that this person does not in the least bit hold back from expressing their opinions in public and having them archived for the Internet to read, so I don't see how switching anything to a more public forum (and I still question, is this list not already public enough?) would make any useful difference. Antony. -- "640 kilobytes (of RAM) should be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss Post to : maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Maria-discuss] Code of Conduct
Andrew Hutchings writes: > Instead the intention is to discourage people from personal attacks at > each other, which negatively affects the group as a whole. It doesn't affect anyone at all expect those that choose to read them and have nothing better to spend their time on than react to them and feed the trolls. The way to improve the mailing lists is to move the traffic from mariadb.com / mariadb.org internal mailing lists/private mail onto the public lists. Not to put up systems to reduce the trafic even further (however low the value of such traffic may currently be). - Kristian. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss Post to : maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Maria-discuss] Code of Conduct
Hi Ruben, On 21/12/2022 21:52, Ruben Safir wrote: These things are just tools to kick people you don't like or agree with out of your group. It is facist and it is always applied in a facist way every time without exception. The circumvents independient thought, due process, and encourage complaints and trolls. We are not a government or political entity so "facist" might be the wrong word here. But I think I understand the general direction you are taking. And some can absolutely be used that way. The intention is not to kick people we don't like or agree with. If you have ever seen a real-life discussion on implementing MariaDB Server feature you'll see many disagreements. Instead the intention is to discourage people from personal attacks at each other, which negatively affects the group as a whole. As mentioned in the blog post, if you have suggestions on ideas to make this better, please feel free to comment with them. Kind Regards -- Andrew (LinuxJedi) Hutchings Chief Contributions Officer MariaDB Foundation ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss Post to : maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Maria-discuss] Code of Conduct
Hi Brian, We deliberately don't want it too wordy, otherwise it would turn into something more like a terms of service. It is more a guideline so we can have civil discourse without risk of person attack. With that in mind we would be open to suggestions over a different word or few words instead of "inflammatory". A lot of it depends on the use of the language too. You can still have passionate views whilst aligning with the Bill & Ted mantra of "be excellent to each other" :) Kind Regards Andrew On 21/12/2022 21:01, Brian Andrus wrote: Generally a good idea. It can be abused if not careful, due to the subjective nature of determining what is offensive or "inflammatory". I would suggest that "inflammatory language" be something that be more defined and/or allowed toward things but not people (if that is possible). One could look at the original source code to Linux before it was 'sanitized' of the colorful language to see some passionate views. Much opinion expression will be inflammatory to someone (such as my opinion of Apple or Microsoft). BA On 12/21/2022 7:52 AM, Ian Gilfillan wrote: In the light of recent events, we're implementing a Code of Conduct. Details at https://mariadb.org/going-for-a-code-of-conduct/ - comments are welcome! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss Post to : maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss Post to : maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Andrew (LinuxJedi) Hutchings Chief Contributions Officer MariaDB Foundation ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss Post to : maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
