Re: Markdown documents to OO/LO Writer and Impress
On November 12, 2016 5:45:28 PM EST, H wrote: >This is promising and I would love to try MultiMarkdown. I went to your >site and downloaded from github but the latest version is sadly not >compatible with Windows Vista I have on my netbook. Is there a 32-bit >version that I can try? Also, I see there is a Mac-version but I also >need to run it on CentOS (Red Hat). > >The above are showstoppers of course but does MultiMarkdown support >"folding", i.e. hiding sections like in a DOS outliner? > >On 11/12/2016 12:49 PM, Fletcher T. Penney wrote: >> MultiMarkdown has supported the Flat OpenDocument format for many >years. It currently supports it for Writer documents, but there is no >reason the same approach couldn't be used to create Impress >presentations. Technically, one could also create spreadsheet files as >well, but not sure that's a good idea. >> >> In fact, using the existing beamer format output and the ODF format >conversions, it should be relatively easy to create a converter for >presentations. >> >> >> https://github.com/fletcher/MultiMarkdown-5 >> >> http://fletcherpenney.net/multimarkdown/ >> >> >> Fletcher >> >> >> >> On 11/12/16 12:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Markdown-Discuss [mailto:markdown-discuss- boun...@six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of H Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 08:34 To: Markdown Discussion Mailing List > Subject: Markdown documents to OO/LO Writer and Impress I am a recent convert to using markdown for creating draft >documents, outlines etc. My primary OS is CentOS where I use geany with a >plugin although I believe gedit also allows for creating/editing markdown documents(?) On windows I have both geany, markdown pad íí, and >notepad ii. I do use tables a lot and since I like to use markdown for outlines >of complex documents I would like to see easy folding of sections, >similar to what you could do with the old DOS outliners. Alas, combining >those two requirements in a modern editor seems impossible... Now I would also like to create drafts of documents and of slide presentations in markdown to later be transferred to OpenOffice or LibreOffice Writer for finishing the text documents or OpenOffice >or LibreOffice Impress for finishing slide presentations. Ideally >allowing me to go both ways for the final version. I do not seem able to accomplish the latter and have not found the >ideal markdown editor yet - suggestions welcome! >>> [orcmid] >>> >>> There is a single-file XML format for ODF documents that would work >for conversion from markdown and import to one of LibreOffice Writer or >LibreOffice Impress. This works so long as (1) you have no images or >other external imports and (2) you can come up with a converter. Since >conversions to HTML are commonplace, it might be possible to craft a >converter that makes ODF single-file XML instead. But someone needs to >hack on the respective code. Fortunately, the ODF Table format matches >the row-major order that is used in the Markdown and in HTML tables. >Styling is different, but a converter would do some sort of fixed >stylings (and font settings) that could be changed in the desktop >software. You would also be editing pagination, headers/footers, etc., >in the target software anyhow. There might be a way to set up >templates for some of this and merge those in, but I don't know enough >about that to be entirely confident about it. >>> >>> Apache OpenOffice does not consume the single-file XML format, so >there is a bit more work to provide a conversion in that case. Namely, >AOO and LibreOffice both accept the Zip-package format of ODF documents >and those can be produced with a bit more effort - the contents of the >Zip is a set of XML files plus a manifest. The single-file format is >convertible to the Zip-package format in a straightforward manner, so >it would be a good step-up from a single-file producer. The greatest >advantage is the fact that there is compression and now a way to >package images and other artifacts within the multi-file contents of >the ODF package. >>> >>> Adding either of these conversions as input filters to either >OpenOffice.org descendant is probably beyond the call of duty. It would >be easier to have a converter essentially "pipe" its output into one of >them, which is practical. >>> >>> Also, Microsoft office will consume the ODF package formats for Text >(Writer) and Presentation (Impress) formats, and anything originated in >MarkDown should import just fine. >>> >>> Finally, if you can find a Markdown to RTF or any of the classic or >OOXML Microsoft Office formats, that should produce something simple >enough that you can import into one of LibreOffice or Apache OpenOffice >with decent fidelity as well. >>> >>> These are all interesting challenge projects for document-processing >tools. Whether the
Re: Markdown documents to OO/LO Writer and Impress
Just found the 32-bit version, downloaded, installed and tried to launch it but it cannot be launched on Vista (no error messages.) Is it supposed to work on Vista? On 11/12/2016 5:45 PM, H wrote: This is promising and I would love to try MultiMarkdown. I went to your site and downloaded from github but the latest version is sadly not compatible with Windows Vista I have on my netbook. Is there a 32-bit version that I can try? Also, I see there is a Mac-version but I also need to run it on CentOS (Red Hat). The above are showstoppers of course but does MultiMarkdown support "folding", i.e. hiding sections like in a DOS outliner? On 11/12/2016 12:49 PM, Fletcher T. Penney wrote: MultiMarkdown has supported the Flat OpenDocument format for many years. It currently supports it for Writer documents, but there is no reason the same approach couldn't be used to create Impress presentations. Technically, one could also create spreadsheet files as well, but not sure that's a good idea. In fact, using the existing beamer format output and the ODF format conversions, it should be relatively easy to create a converter for presentations. https://github.com/fletcher/MultiMarkdown-5 http://fletcherpenney.net/multimarkdown/ Fletcher On 11/12/16 12:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: -Original Message- From: Markdown-Discuss [mailto:markdown-discuss- boun...@six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of H Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 08:34 To: Markdown Discussion Mailing List Subject: Markdown documents to OO/LO Writer and Impress I am a recent convert to using markdown for creating draft documents, outlines etc. My primary OS is CentOS where I use geany with a plugin although I believe gedit also allows for creating/editing markdown documents(?) On windows I have both geany, markdown pad íí, and notepad ii. I do use tables a lot and since I like to use markdown for outlines of complex documents I would like to see easy folding of sections, similar to what you could do with the old DOS outliners. Alas, combining those two requirements in a modern editor seems impossible... Now I would also like to create drafts of documents and of slide presentations in markdown to later be transferred to OpenOffice or LibreOffice Writer for finishing the text documents or OpenOffice or LibreOffice Impress for finishing slide presentations. Ideally allowing me to go both ways for the final version. I do not seem able to accomplish the latter and have not found the ideal markdown editor yet - suggestions welcome! [orcmid] There is a single-file XML format for ODF documents that would work for conversion from markdown and import to one of LibreOffice Writer or LibreOffice Impress. This works so long as (1) you have no images or other external imports and (2) you can come up with a converter. Since conversions to HTML are commonplace, it might be possible to craft a converter that makes ODF single-file XML instead. But someone needs to hack on the respective code. Fortunately, the ODF Table format matches the row-major order that is used in the Markdown and in HTML tables. Styling is different, but a converter would do some sort of fixed stylings (and font settings) that could be changed in the desktop software. You would also be editing pagination, headers/footers, etc., in the target software anyhow. There might be a way to set up templates for some of this and merge those in, but I don't know enough about that to be entirely confident about it. Apache OpenOffice does not consume the single-file XML format, so there is a bit more work to provide a conversion in that case. Namely, AOO and LibreOffice both accept the Zip-package format of ODF documents and those can be produced with a bit more effort - the contents of the Zip is a set of XML files plus a manifest. The single-file format is convertible to the Zip-package format in a straightforward manner, so it would be a good step-up from a single-file producer. The greatest advantage is the fact that there is compression and now a way to package images and other artifacts within the multi-file contents of the ODF package. Adding either of these conversions as input filters to either OpenOffice.org descendant is probably beyond the call of duty. It would be easier to have a converter essentially "pipe" its output into one of them, which is practical. Also, Microsoft office will consume the ODF package formats for Text (Writer) and Presentation (Impress) formats, and anything originated in MarkDown should import just fine. Finally, if you can find a Markdown to RTF or any of the classic or OOXML Microsoft Office formats, that should produce something simple enough that you can import into one of LibreOffice or Apache OpenOffice with decent fidelity as well. These are all interesting challenge projects for document-processing tools. Whether there are enough piece parts out there to simply create a workflow through
Re: Markdown documents to OO/LO Writer and Impress
This is promising and I would love to try MultiMarkdown. I went to your site and downloaded from github but the latest version is sadly not compatible with Windows Vista I have on my netbook. Is there a 32-bit version that I can try? Also, I see there is a Mac-version but I also need to run it on CentOS (Red Hat). The above are showstoppers of course but does MultiMarkdown support "folding", i.e. hiding sections like in a DOS outliner? On 11/12/2016 12:49 PM, Fletcher T. Penney wrote: MultiMarkdown has supported the Flat OpenDocument format for many years. It currently supports it for Writer documents, but there is no reason the same approach couldn't be used to create Impress presentations. Technically, one could also create spreadsheet files as well, but not sure that's a good idea. In fact, using the existing beamer format output and the ODF format conversions, it should be relatively easy to create a converter for presentations. https://github.com/fletcher/MultiMarkdown-5 http://fletcherpenney.net/multimarkdown/ Fletcher On 11/12/16 12:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: -Original Message- From: Markdown-Discuss [mailto:markdown-discuss- boun...@six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of H Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 08:34 To: Markdown Discussion Mailing List Subject: Markdown documents to OO/LO Writer and Impress I am a recent convert to using markdown for creating draft documents, outlines etc. My primary OS is CentOS where I use geany with a plugin although I believe gedit also allows for creating/editing markdown documents(?) On windows I have both geany, markdown pad íí, and notepad ii. I do use tables a lot and since I like to use markdown for outlines of complex documents I would like to see easy folding of sections, similar to what you could do with the old DOS outliners. Alas, combining those two requirements in a modern editor seems impossible... Now I would also like to create drafts of documents and of slide presentations in markdown to later be transferred to OpenOffice or LibreOffice Writer for finishing the text documents or OpenOffice or LibreOffice Impress for finishing slide presentations. Ideally allowing me to go both ways for the final version. I do not seem able to accomplish the latter and have not found the ideal markdown editor yet - suggestions welcome! [orcmid] There is a single-file XML format for ODF documents that would work for conversion from markdown and import to one of LibreOffice Writer or LibreOffice Impress. This works so long as (1) you have no images or other external imports and (2) you can come up with a converter. Since conversions to HTML are commonplace, it might be possible to craft a converter that makes ODF single-file XML instead. But someone needs to hack on the respective code. Fortunately, the ODF Table format matches the row-major order that is used in the Markdown and in HTML tables. Styling is different, but a converter would do some sort of fixed stylings (and font settings) that could be changed in the desktop software. You would also be editing pagination, headers/footers, etc., in the target software anyhow. There might be a way to set up templates for some of this and merge those in, but I don't know enough about that to be entirely confident about it. Apache OpenOffice does not consume the single-file XML format, so there is a bit more work to provide a conversion in that case. Namely, AOO and LibreOffice both accept the Zip-package format of ODF documents and those can be produced with a bit more effort - the contents of the Zip is a set of XML files plus a manifest. The single-file format is convertible to the Zip-package format in a straightforward manner, so it would be a good step-up from a single-file producer. The greatest advantage is the fact that there is compression and now a way to package images and other artifacts within the multi-file contents of the ODF package. Adding either of these conversions as input filters to either OpenOffice.org descendant is probably beyond the call of duty. It would be easier to have a converter essentially "pipe" its output into one of them, which is practical. Also, Microsoft office will consume the ODF package formats for Text (Writer) and Presentation (Impress) formats, and anything originated in MarkDown should import just fine. Finally, if you can find a Markdown to RTF or any of the classic or OOXML Microsoft Office formats, that should produce something simple enough that you can import into one of LibreOffice or Apache OpenOffice with decent fidelity as well. These are all interesting challenge projects for document-processing tools. Whether there are enough piece parts out there to simply create a workflow through them is more desirable and others here might have solutions. Thanks for your interesting question. - Dennis Thank you. ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing
Re: Markdown documents to OO/LO Writer and Impress
On 11/12/2016 12:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: -Original Message- From: Markdown-Discuss [mailto:markdown-discuss- boun...@six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of H Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 08:34 To: Markdown Discussion Mailing List Subject: Markdown documents to OO/LO Writer and Impress I am a recent convert to using markdown for creating draft documents, outlines etc. My primary OS is CentOS where I use geany with a plugin although I believe gedit also allows for creating/editing markdown documents(?) On windows I have both geany, markdown pad íí, and notepad ii. I do use tables a lot and since I like to use markdown for outlines of complex documents I would like to see easy folding of sections, similar to what you could do with the old DOS outliners. Alas, combining those two requirements in a modern editor seems impossible... Now I would also like to create drafts of documents and of slide presentations in markdown to later be transferred to OpenOffice or LibreOffice Writer for finishing the text documents or OpenOffice or LibreOffice Impress for finishing slide presentations. Ideally allowing me to go both ways for the final version. I do not seem able to accomplish the latter and have not found the ideal markdown editor yet - suggestions welcome! [orcmid] There is a single-file XML format for ODF documents that would work for conversion from markdown and import to one of LibreOffice Writer or LibreOffice Impress. This works so long as (1) you have no images or other external imports and (2) you can come up with a converter. Since conversions to HTML are commonplace, it might be possible to craft a converter that makes ODF single-file XML instead. But someone needs to hack on the respective code. Fortunately, the ODF Table format matches the row-major order that is used in the Markdown and in HTML tables. Styling is different, but a converter would do some sort of fixed stylings (and font settings) that could be changed in the desktop software. You would also be editing pagination, headers/footers, etc., in the target software anyhow. There might be a way to set up templates for some of this and merge those in, but I don't know enough about that to be entirely confident about it. Apache OpenOffice does not consume the single-file XML format, so there is a bit more work to provide a conversion in that case. Namely, AOO and LibreOffice both accept the Zip-package format of ODF documents and those can be produced with a bit more effort - the contents of the Zip is a set of XML files plus a manifest. The single-file format is convertible to the Zip-package format in a straightforward manner, so it would be a good step-up from a single-file producer. The greatest advantage is the fact that there is compression and now a way to package images and other artifacts within the multi-file contents of the ODF package. Adding either of these conversions as input filters to either OpenOffice.org descendant is probably beyond the call of duty. It would be easier to have a converter essentially "pipe" its output into one of them, which is practical. Also, Microsoft office will consume the ODF package formats for Text (Writer) and Presentation (Impress) formats, and anything originated in MarkDown should import just fine. Finally, if you can find a Markdown to RTF or any of the classic or OOXML Microsoft Office formats, that should produce something simple enough that you can import into one of LibreOffice or Apache OpenOffice with decent fidelity as well. These are all interesting challenge projects for document-processing tools. Whether there are enough piece parts out there to simply create a workflow through them is more desirable and others here might have solutions. Thanks for your interesting question. - Dennis Thank you. I would rather not have to do any development but was hoping that open-source word processors such as OpenOffice and LibreOffice would support a productivity tool as composing text in markdown format out of the box (or with minimal adjustments)... Again, I am looking to do my document writing and slide composition in a markdown editor and then do the final polishing and applying styles etc. in OO/LO. I would only want whatever the document/slide default formatting happens to be applied when I transfer it to OO/LO, i.e., default formatting for Heading1, Heading2, body text, lists, table headers, table bodies etc., nothing else. As for my other question, has anyone found a markdown editor - most importantly CentOS but also Windows as a backup - that supports "folding" similar to what the DOS outliners allowed you to do? With this feature - which does not depend on any changes to the markdown format - you could more easily work on longer, more complex documents without getting lost in the details. Importantly, this feature should be easily usable from the keyboard, just like when using the DOS outliners.
Re: Markdown documents to OO/LO Writer and Impress
MultiMarkdown has supported the Flat OpenDocument format for many years. It currently supports it for Writer documents, but there is no reason the same approach couldn't be used to create Impress presentations. Technically, one could also create spreadsheet files as well, but not sure that's a good idea. In fact, using the existing beamer format output and the ODF format conversions, it should be relatively easy to create a converter for presentations. https://github.com/fletcher/MultiMarkdown-5 http://fletcherpenney.net/multimarkdown/ Fletcher On 11/12/16 12:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: -Original Message- From: Markdown-Discuss [mailto:markdown-discuss- boun...@six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of H Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 08:34 To: Markdown Discussion Mailing List Subject: Markdown documents to OO/LO Writer and Impress I am a recent convert to using markdown for creating draft documents, outlines etc. My primary OS is CentOS where I use geany with a plugin although I believe gedit also allows for creating/editing markdown documents(?) On windows I have both geany, markdown pad íí, and notepad ii. I do use tables a lot and since I like to use markdown for outlines of complex documents I would like to see easy folding of sections, similar to what you could do with the old DOS outliners. Alas, combining those two requirements in a modern editor seems impossible... Now I would also like to create drafts of documents and of slide presentations in markdown to later be transferred to OpenOffice or LibreOffice Writer for finishing the text documents or OpenOffice or LibreOffice Impress for finishing slide presentations. Ideally allowing me to go both ways for the final version. I do not seem able to accomplish the latter and have not found the ideal markdown editor yet - suggestions welcome! [orcmid] There is a single-file XML format for ODF documents that would work for conversion from markdown and import to one of LibreOffice Writer or LibreOffice Impress. This works so long as (1) you have no images or other external imports and (2) you can come up with a converter. Since conversions to HTML are commonplace, it might be possible to craft a converter that makes ODF single-file XML instead. But someone needs to hack on the respective code. Fortunately, the ODF Table format matches the row-major order that is used in the Markdown and in HTML tables. Styling is different, but a converter would do some sort of fixed stylings (and font settings) that could be changed in the desktop software. You would also be editing pagination, headers/footers, etc., in the target software anyhow. There might be a way to set up templates for some of this and merge those in, but I don't know enough about that to be entirely confident about it. Apache OpenOffice does not consume the single-file XML format, so there is a bit more work to provide a conversion in that case. Namely, AOO and LibreOffice both accept the Zip-package format of ODF documents and those can be produced with a bit more effort - the contents of the Zip is a set of XML files plus a manifest. The single-file format is convertible to the Zip-package format in a straightforward manner, so it would be a good step-up from a single-file producer. The greatest advantage is the fact that there is compression and now a way to package images and other artifacts within the multi-file contents of the ODF package. Adding either of these conversions as input filters to either OpenOffice.org descendant is probably beyond the call of duty. It would be easier to have a converter essentially "pipe" its output into one of them, which is practical. Also, Microsoft office will consume the ODF package formats for Text (Writer) and Presentation (Impress) formats, and anything originated in MarkDown should import just fine. Finally, if you can find a Markdown to RTF or any of the classic or OOXML Microsoft Office formats, that should produce something simple enough that you can import into one of LibreOffice or Apache OpenOffice with decent fidelity as well. These are all interesting challenge projects for document-processing tools. Whether there are enough piece parts out there to simply create a workflow through them is more desirable and others here might have solutions. Thanks for your interesting question. - Dennis Thank you. ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net https://pairlist6.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss -- Fletcher T. Penney fletc...@fletcherpenney.net ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net https://pairlist6.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
RE: Markdown documents to OO/LO Writer and Impress
> -Original Message- > From: Markdown-Discuss [mailto:markdown-discuss- > boun...@six.pairlist.net] On Behalf Of H > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 08:34 > To: Markdown Discussion Mailing List > Subject: Markdown documents to OO/LO Writer and Impress > > I am a recent convert to using markdown for creating draft documents, > outlines etc. My primary OS is CentOS where I use geany with a plugin > although I believe gedit also allows for creating/editing markdown > documents(?) On windows I have both geany, markdown pad íí, and notepad > ii. > > I do use tables a lot and since I like to use markdown for outlines of > complex documents I would like to see easy folding of sections, similar > to what you could do with the old DOS outliners. Alas, combining those > two requirements in a modern editor seems impossible... > > Now I would also like to create drafts of documents and of slide > presentations in markdown to later be transferred to OpenOffice or > LibreOffice Writer for finishing the text documents or OpenOffice or > LibreOffice Impress for finishing slide presentations. Ideally allowing > me to go both ways for the final version. > > I do not seem able to accomplish the latter and have not found the ideal > markdown editor yet - suggestions welcome! [orcmid] There is a single-file XML format for ODF documents that would work for conversion from markdown and import to one of LibreOffice Writer or LibreOffice Impress. This works so long as (1) you have no images or other external imports and (2) you can come up with a converter. Since conversions to HTML are commonplace, it might be possible to craft a converter that makes ODF single-file XML instead. But someone needs to hack on the respective code. Fortunately, the ODF Table format matches the row-major order that is used in the Markdown and in HTML tables. Styling is different, but a converter would do some sort of fixed stylings (and font settings) that could be changed in the desktop software. You would also be editing pagination, headers/footers, etc., in the target software anyhow. There might be a way to set up templates for some of this and merge those in, but I don't know enough about that to be entirely confident about it. Apache OpenOffice does not consume the single-file XML format, so there is a bit more work to provide a conversion in that case. Namely, AOO and LibreOffice both accept the Zip-package format of ODF documents and those can be produced with a bit more effort - the contents of the Zip is a set of XML files plus a manifest. The single-file format is convertible to the Zip-package format in a straightforward manner, so it would be a good step-up from a single-file producer. The greatest advantage is the fact that there is compression and now a way to package images and other artifacts within the multi-file contents of the ODF package. Adding either of these conversions as input filters to either OpenOffice.org descendant is probably beyond the call of duty. It would be easier to have a converter essentially "pipe" its output into one of them, which is practical. Also, Microsoft office will consume the ODF package formats for Text (Writer) and Presentation (Impress) formats, and anything originated in MarkDown should import just fine. Finally, if you can find a Markdown to RTF or any of the classic or OOXML Microsoft Office formats, that should produce something simple enough that you can import into one of LibreOffice or Apache OpenOffice with decent fidelity as well. These are all interesting challenge projects for document-processing tools. Whether there are enough piece parts out there to simply create a workflow through them is more desirable and others here might have solutions. Thanks for your interesting question. - Dennis > > Thank you. > > > ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net https://pairlist6.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
