Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Comments to Proposals

[kainz.a]

Please no votes. I remember the mascot contest well.

Am Di., 10. Nov. 2020 um 12:36 Uhr schrieb Italo Vignoli <
it...@libreoffice.org>:

> On 11/10/20 9:59 AM, Michael Weghorn wrote:
>
> > after thinking about the whole topic once again, I have to say that I
> > wouldn't personally consider the approach to "exert some moral suasion"
> > by putting a label that is more or less supposed to say "Either buy a
> > LibreOffice Enterprise edition from an ecosystem company or don't use
> > LibreOffice at all in your organization" an approach that I'd be happy
> with.
>
> The label is just the starting point for a communication strategy. Of
> course, there are other elements which have to be included, in term of
> messages and in term of commercial offerings.
>
> > I think that a more wide-spread use of LibreOffice (in whatever edition)
> > will in the end also result in more companies looking for (and being
> > willing to pay for) professional support of some kind. And IMHO, many
> > companies have needs for professional support besides the fact that
> > there is no "annoying label".
>
> If we were referring to a competitive market (a market where there is an
> even competition between players), I would agree, but we are in a market
> where there are two players - Microsoft and Google - with advantages on
> other players which are based on other factors:
>
> 1. The near monopoly situation - in the year 2000 Microsoft Office
> reached a 96% market share in the office suite market, which is still
> leveraging after 20 years - reached by a single player thanks to the
> "silent approval" of worldwide governments
>
> 2. The uneven situation, in term of available money and reach (Microsoft
> and Google are two of the GAFAMs), in a market where money and reach are
> key factors (Microsoft is still investing billion of dollars in the
> office suite market)
>
> 3. The incredible amount of user data owned by Microsoft and Google
> (thanks to the "vocal encouragement" of the US government), which offers
> insights on marketing and sales activities which are not available to
> other players
>
> The list could be longer - as there are certification programs, channel
> support programs, economic incentives or discounts, and other commercial
> strategies and tools, which are expensive to set and manage - and other
> form of pressure based on the enforcement of the license, plus heavy
> investments in lobby activities (billions of dollars).
>
> So, increasing LibreOffice market share is a difficult exercise, also
> because we are talking about a commodity, where the power of advertising
> and communications is higher than in value added markets. Anyway, labels
> will not impact on generic marketing activities targeted at increasing
> LibreOffice market share.
>
> > 2) In my opinion, it has the potential to discourage several kinds of
> > contributions to LibreOffice by more or less advertising buying a
> > licensed enterprise version as the "only valid way" to use LibreOffice
> > inside an organization. While I believe that this may be the right
> > approach for many organizations, it excludes other kinds of
> > contributions that we should IMHO encourage, like e.g.:
>
> On the contrary, the objective is to increase the different support
> options by enterprises, the largest one being the purchase of a desktop
> license providing added value vs the "free" version (Microsoft and
> Google are selling subscriptions to services, where support is not even
> mentioned as the "product is perfect as it is", which is what users do
> believe, because this is what they are told).
>
> > Given that, and that "No label is not an option" (which would have been
> > the preferred option otherwise), I'd still be for something rather
> > neutral like "TDF Edition" (which still gives a hint that there are
> > other editions available as well, in particular when mentioned
> > explicitly at an appropriate place), but could live with "Standard
> > Edition", too (or another similar label, but "Basic" doesn't sound good
> > to me).
>
> No label is not an option, because if we do not have a label for the
> version provided by TDF we will never have a label for the enterprise
> version, and it will be impossible to have a coordinated communication
> strategy (and is not difficult to foresee which will be the long term
> result of this situation).
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Comments to Proposals

[kainz.a]

LibreOffice Consumer Edition
vs
LibreOffice Enterprise Edition

LibreOffice Contributor Edition

Is there somewhere a document with all the labels listed?

thanks
Andreas_K

Am Di., 10. Nov. 2020 um 11:05 Uhr schrieb Justin Luth :

> When it comes time to vote, please make sure there is some kind of "none
> of the above" option on the ballot.  Otherwise some people will not be
> able to vote, and then there will be complaints that the percentage of
> members voting is too low.
>
> In fact, I would add both a "none of the above", and a "no label at all
> (even though this will not be an acceptable option)" choices to the
> ballot, just so that all members at least have a chance to participate
> in the vote.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Justin
>
>
> On 11/10/20 11:59 AM, Michael Weghorn wrote:
> > after thinking about the whole topic once again, I have to say that I
> > wouldn't personally consider the approach to "exert some moral suasion"
> > by putting a label that is more or less supposed to say "Either buy a
> > LibreOffice Enterprise edition from an ecosystem company or don't use
> > LibreOffice at all in your organization" an approach that I'd be happy
> with.
>
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Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] MARKETING PLAN: Some Proposals

[kainz.a]

LibreOffice contributor project

Am Mo., 9. Nov. 2020 um 20:19 Uhr schrieb Telesto :

> First of: thanks for they suggestions! My remarks:
>
> Sponsored.
> Sponsored by whom :-)
> I'm surely seeing they eco-system partners as sponsors.
> But not sure what they independent contributors think about this.
> They don't see themselves as sponsors, more as contributors
>
> ---
>
> LibreOffice Dynamic Community Edition
>
> Dynamic is referring/pointing too?
>
> ---
> LibreOffice Free sounds cheap indeed.
> Next to a paid version you surely gonna ask, what's they catch :-)
> Or at least that's what would cross my mind. But that is they point.
> LibreOffice Free also kind of tautology. Libre = Free
> It's build for free it's distributed for free. You may use it for Free.
> This approach is used more often, if I recall correctly
>
>
> Op 9-11-2020 om 19:54 schreef Boudi van vlijmen:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> > I suggest to change "LibreOffice Free Edition” into "LibreOffice
> Sponsored Edition”
> >
> >
> >
> > Free is to much like cheap. While it is real quality from the community.
> But sponsored by the contributors.
> > It might make it feel more desirable than cheap free stuff. And keeps
> user aware that they could help by contributing a bit.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Met vriendelijke groet,
> > With kind regards,
> >
> >
> > Boudi van Vlijmen
> > www.clockedmodular.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol
> we will, in time,  stop to use email. If you want to contact us and are not
> known with us, you can use the web contact form
> > . If you are known with us you can use our signal account
> >   or RCS
> >   to chat, or we share an exchange environment.
> > ===
> > Omdat e-mail een oud en onveilig internetprotocol van de eerste
> generatie is, zullen we op termijn stoppen met het gebruik van e-mail. Als
> u contact met ons wilt opnemen en niet bij ons bekend bent, kunt u het
> contactformulier
> >   gebruiken. Als u bij ons bekend bent, kunt u ons signal
> > -account of RCS
> >   gebruiken om te chatten, of we delen een uitwisselingsomgeving.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Van: Telesto 
> >
> > Datum: 9 november 2020 om 19:19:27 CET
> > Aan: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
> >
> > Onderwerp: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] MARKETING PLAN: Some Proposals
> >
> >
> >
> > LibreOffice Tech Edition [Technology/Technical/ Technology Preview]
> > LibreOffice Free Edition
> > LibreOffice Engineering Edition
> > LibreOffice Frontrunner Edition
> >
> >
> > Basic also feels limited. Classic sounds old.
> > Community/Personal are not it
> > Rolling doesn't sound well (still think it should be mentioned
> > somewhere; but not as edition phrase)
> >
> >
> > --
> > About position of the edition text: title bar, about box, start center,
> > artwork etc.
> > No strong opinion here; as long as they as long as it blends in. Nice
> > font, font color etc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Op 9-11-2020 om 16:38 schreef sophi:
> >>
> >> Hi Italo, all,
> >> Le 09/11/2020 à 16:04, Italo Vignoli a écrit :
> >>>
> >>> So far, I have not participated to the discussion, hoping that this
> >>> could help others in pushing forward their proposals. Unfortunately,
> >>> this has not happened, so I am trying to share some thoughts and
> >>> proposals for the following action item:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 1. Product Label for the community supported version provided by TDF
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> First of all, it should be clear that this label is not targeted to
> >>> community members, but to the outside world of LibreOffice users (so,
> >>> probably to 99.9% of all users). Rejecting a label because it is not
> >>> seen as appropriate for community members is not helping the decision,
> >>> because we need to improve the positioning for all those people who do
> >>> not contribute at all to the project (apart from donations, which are
> >>> not seen as contributions for this decision).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The unfortunate reality is that the majority of enterprises is using
> >>> LibreOffice for free - is their right, but they usually save a rather
> >>> substantial amount of money by replacing MS Office licenses with
> >>> LibreOffice - without giving back anything, while they should support
> >>> the project at least in the same proportion of individuals who donate
> >>> (because they recognize the value of the software).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So, we need to exert some moral suasion on enterprises by making it
> >>> clear - with a label - that the LibreOffice version they are using is
> >>> not targeted to enterprises, as it is not supported professionally, or
> >>> it is not packaged according to the needs of enterprises deploying
> >>> LibreOffice on a large number of PCs.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Proposals in line with the objective:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> COMMUNITY: makes the Community happy, but does not communicate to users
> >>> the right message, as Community is the feature-limited version of open
> >>> core 

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

[kainz.a]

LibreOffice Community Project
LibreOffice Enterprise by CIB
LibreOffice Enterprise by Collabora
LibreOffice Enterprise by ...

Personal Edition has the feeling of, not allowed somewhere (in the office)
Community vs Enterprise Edition has the feeling of, Enterprise is better
Community Project gives me the feeling that you can join. What should be
the idea behind LibO and TDF. There was also this discussion about Project
vs. Product which is more clear.

It would be glad if ReadHat as they support the development work of LibO
can ship a edition like:
LibreOffice Enterprise by ReadHat


Am Di., 20. Okt. 2020 um 10:52 Uhr schrieb Michael Weghorn <
m.wegh...@posteo.de>:

> On 12/10/2020 23:30, Telesto wrote:
>
> > Some attempts:
> > LibreOffice shipped by TDF.
> > LibreOffice TDF release.
> > LibreOffice distributed/compiled by TDF.
> > LibreOffice made possible by TDF.
> >
>
> If "no label is not an option" (as stated by Italo), I'd currently
> prefer something like "TDF Edition" over "Personal Edition" or
> "Community Edition" as well, given the negative/misleading connotations
> the latter may result in.
> More meaningful suggestions welcome, of course. :-)
>
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 09:57:25 +0200, Mike Saunders wrote:
> >
> > The logo already has "The Document Foundation" underneath, so I don't
> > think this really adds anything. And just leads people to wonder what
> > that actually means. I think a word like "Community" makes it more clear
> > that it's not an enterprise product.
> >
> > Just my 2C...
>
> An accompanying note in the About dialog that professional support or
> Enterprise editions are available might clarify this.
> Whether such a note would be enough or the "TDF Edition" label would
> still add much to that is actually unclear to me as well, though.
>
> Michael
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Polls/surveys on Twitter

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* Where do you use LibreOffice? (Home, office, School, University)

* How old are you

* Where do you need LibreOffice to run (Windows, Linux, iOS, Android,
Browser)

* For which feature would you donate

Am Do., 7. Mai 2020 um 09:55 Uhr schrieb Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I've thought about running some polls/surveys on our Twitter account.
> They're a good way to engage with followers and get feedback. On the
> other hand, we need to be careful about the polls we run -- for
> instance, we shouldn't do polls about features people may want, if we
> have no plans/resources to implement them.
>
> So I have a few ideas:
>
> * Where do you use LibreOffice? (Home, work, both)
>
> * What component of LibreOffice do you use most? (Writer, Calc etc.)
>
> * For how long have you been using LibreOffice?
>
> What do you think? Any other suggestions, or anything we should avoid?
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing Call April

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Am So., 5. Apr. 2020 um 22:57 Uhr schrieb Italo Vignoli <
it...@libreoffice.org>:

> Marketing Conference Call
> Thursday, April 9, at 3PM CEST
> https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/marketing
> (please do not use video, to avoid connection issues)
>
> Based on the email exchanged during the last week, these are the topics
> for discussion, to replace our forced public inactivity with some
> virtual activity. Of course, we will have to choose and prioritize.
>
> 1. Add a banner to all web properties (websites and blogs) inviting
> people to give a try to LO, and donate to support the project
>

In time of COV where all companies, public organisation, ...
don't know how  to support there stuff, I don't think it's a good idea.

I would go to the direction of how LibO can support them.

For example:
Use LibreOffice at school, company, home everywhere for free,
Online or Offline wherever you want
whatever you do LibreOffice is there for you.
We respect your privacy, we respect your situation.

cheers
Andreas_K

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice 7.0

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+ 1.000

Italo Vignoli  schrieb am Do., 16. Jän. 2020, 18:47:

> The next major release after LibreOffice 6.4, which will be launched on
> January 29, will be LibreOffice 7.0. The change of numbering is based on
> the fact that this will be the first release using the new ODF 1.3 file
> format as default. Of course, the change of numbering also fits with the
> 10th anniversary, which will be celebrated on September 28.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Debian's new website -- some ideas for LibreOffice website?

[kainz.a]

The separation between the product and the community is indeed something
that is an good idea.

For me the Product is now Download button that's fine but the Product is
for me:

- LibreOffice Download (for the different OS's and packages)
- LibreOffice Online (link to an Demo login)
- Professional Support

And the community is

- ask.libreoffice.org
- get involved (where you come to the different groups)
- templates
- extensions
- documentation
- wiki
- planet

There is a nice blog post from Krita from the Blender conference about
community content.
https://krita.org/en/item/introducing-krita-artists-org/

So from my point of view the extension page (with extensions, templates and
documentation) should be more in the focus.

Best
Andreas_K

Am Di., 5. Nov. 2019 um 23:02 Uhr schrieb Charles-H. Schulz <
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org>:

> Hello Mike,
>
> Le mardi 05 novembre 2019 à 13:53 +0100, Mike Saunders a écrit :
> > https://debian-newhomepage.larjona.net
> > I like the way there's a clear distinction between community and
> > product. Maybe it's something we could take inspiration from, in a
> > future website redesign? What does everyone think?
>
>
> Yes, I think we could pretty much revisit the "Discover LibreOffice", a
> section I've never been quite happy with. I do notice something which
> jumps to my eyes in the Debian's new website, which is how it has drawn
> direct inspiration from our website:
> - focus on community (with a picture taken at a conference)
> - similar iconset
> - words/terms close to what you find on our website.
>
> So I'd say they took a lot from us, but their simple and clear
> distinction between community and product is something for us to study
> in turn.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice branding: shades of grey

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The gray column is the green color without color, to respect branding.

But l am fine with every proposal as long as we have also gray branding
colors.

Cheers
Andreas_k

Mike Saunders  schrieb am Di., 9.
Juli 2019, 15:48:

> Hello everyone,
>
> We have various colours in our branding, as shown on the wiki:
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Colors
>
> However, there are no greyscales there. Andreas Kainz (who worked on the
> NotebookBar in LO 6.2) has made some suggestions here:
>
> https://i.imgur.com/7quWJ0Z.png
>
> What does everyone think? They look good to me!
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Much pleasure - I want to help with the LibreOffice project

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Hi Ricardo,

as you can read everybody welcome you and love to see your helping hand.

feel free to find the topic you are interested in and start enjoy to game.

best wishes
Andreas_k

Am Mo., 8. Juli 2019 um 22:52 Uhr schrieb Aaron L. <
aaronleizerov...@gmail.com>:

> Hi all,
>
> I've reached out about assisting with Marketing (writing content, SEO,
> Marketing Automation, etc), but I haven't received a straight response on
> how I can do so.
>
> I've just been seeing emails for non-marketing related topics within this
> email chain.
>
> Best,
> Aaron
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 12:53 PM karlapati bhaskar <
> karlapati.bhas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Libre development part of work not only marketing team support,... Need
> > more code writers, updates spirit persons,extensions,etc,..
> Programming
> > writers services need .still many using MS office, most of old versions
> > pirated suites using ( in our analysis, observations on market ) by lot
> of
> > again don't know Apache open office, "office suite" birth,  Again MS
> > competition brand image tries Gsuite also not knows many.
> > Indirectly drives helps for users?!
> > So marketing terms, other developers get data of firms, industries,
> > departments, etc,... Suggest , inform libre ,office suite values.
> > KBR
> > Web journalist
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 6, 2019, 2:53 AM Italo Vignoli 
> wrote:
> >
> > > We are a community of volunteers based on meritocracy. In general, you
> > > should start from your native language community. For instance, if you
> > > want to write articles for the LibreOffice Brazilian magazine, you
> > > should get in touch with the Brazilian community.
> > >
> > > Of course, you are free to write about LibreOffice in your blog,
> > > although I do not see any current relationship between LibreOffice and
> > > Bitcoins (but here I might be biased). In any case, it should be clear
> > > that contributions are always on a volunteer basis.
> > >
> > > Best regards.
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 2019-07-04 at 14:28 -0300, Ricardo Sierban wrote:
> > > >> Hello, here are some information about my experience and what areas
> I
> > > >> would like to work on.
> > > >>
> > > >> My name is Ricardo Rojas Sierban, I am a Linux and LibreOffice user
> > > >> and a true lover of Free Softtware.
> > > >>
> > > >> I am 45 years old and I am trained in data processing, acting as a
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Renaming the "Tabbed" variant of the Notebookbar

[kainz.a]

Agree with Mike and Italo,

we should use "Notebookbar" IF needed.

In general it's more an technical term of an different toolbar
implementation and my goal is, that there is no difference from the user
perspective between toolbars and notebookbars. So in Menubar -> View ->
User Interface there is no "Notebookbar" or "Toolbar" separation needed and
shouldn't be done. But if we need an separation, than call it Notebookbar.

my 2 cents
Andreas_k

Am Fr., 10. Mai 2019 um 09:24 Uhr schrieb Italo Vignoli <
it...@italovignoli.com>:

> Agree with Mike
>
>
> ---
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> it...@italovignoli.com
> mob +39 348 5653829
> sent from mobile
>
> In data 10 maggio 2019 09:22:30 Mike Saunders
>  ha scritto:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > On 09/05/2019 15:25, Heiko Tietze wrote:
> >>
> >> On social media, we refer to "Notebookbar" (and sometimes MUFFIN) but
> do
> >> not show this word in the UI. So a request was made [1] to rename the
> >> variants to "Tabbed Notebookbar" and "Tabbed Compact Notebookbar".
> However,
> >> Tabbed and Notebookbar sounds to me non-native speaker like tech-talk
> and I
> >> suggested "Verbose Catalogues" and "Compact Catalogues" (admittedly not
> >> really better). Another idea was to show MUFFIN with the separator.
> >
> > IMO we should keep "Notebookbar" in the name (like "Tabbed
> > Notebookbar"), because:
> >
> > * We've already talked about it a lot in our marketing materials
> >
> > * "bar" is more familiar than "catalogue" in terms of UIs -- sidebar,
> > toolbar etc.
> >
> > My 2 eurocents!
> >
> > Mike
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice screenshots on the website: show the NotebookBar?

[kainz.a]

Good idea,

I would recommend to use also the default Settings (icon theme, window
decoration, ...) with an *1920x1080 Full HD* resolution, or at least
1366x768 px.

Toolbars
- Standard Toolbar
- Tabbed Notebookbar

OS
- Windows 10 with Colibre
- LInux GTK with Elementary / KDE with Breeze

As the sidebar is very usefull I would also show the Sidebar in action for
specific tasks at least.

cheers
Anreas_K

Am Mo., 21. Jan. 2019 um 10:30 Uhr schrieb Mike Saunders <
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> Hi everyone,
>
> I'd like some advice please! A while back I updated the screenshots on
> the EN website:
>
> https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/screenshots/
>
> For some other languages, the screenshots are rather old and low-res, eg:
>
> https://de.libreoffice.org/discover/screenshots/
>
> https://fr.libreoffice.org/discover/screenshots/
>
> So I plan to update those when I have some spare time. But! With
> LibreOffice 6.2 round the corner, featuring the shiny new NotebookBar,
> I'm wondering if I should have that in the screenshots.
>
> What do you think? On the one hand, it'd be great to show that
> LibreOffice is forward-looking and has a "modern" interface. On the
> other hand, the regular menu+toolbar setup is still the default, and
> many users are happy that LO has a familiar, mature interface...
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of LibreOffice'.

[kainz.a]

I plan to have at least also groupedbar compact out of experimental. Work
is in finishing.

Am Sa., 24. Nov. 2018, 18:36 hat Nigel Verity 
geschrieben:

> Drew/Mike
>
> That answers all the points I raised. Thanks very much.
>
> It would be both interesting and useful to capture some stats about how
> popular the notebookbar vs standard toolbar prove to be, but I'm not sure
> this can be automated without being intrusive
>
> Nige
> 
> From: Drew Jensen 
> Sent: 24 November 2018 16:52
> To: nigelver...@hotmail.com
> Cc: mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org; Tdf Marketing
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of
> LibreOffice'.
>
> Howdy Mike,
>
> I will reply in line.
>
> On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 9:56 AM Nigel Verity  <mailto:nigelver...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> Mike
>
> With the notebookbar coming out of experimental I'm assuming it will be
> selected from the "User Interface" item on the "View" menu, as now when the
> user permits experimental features.
>
> Yes, but only one item is added to the view menu, 'Tabbed'. The other
> versions of a notebookbar visible when experimental features is selected
> are still experimental.
>
>
> This gives 9 options, of which 6 relate to an MS Office type of menu
> system. I can't help thinking this will confuse as many people as it
> impresses. Has a decision been made as to which option is the default for a
> user selecting the notebookbar rather than the classic menu? Perhaps a
> one-click method to toggle between the default notebookbar and classic menu
> should be considered.
>
> With 6.2 the default look after installation is the Standard Toolbar (as
> old and stayed as that look is).
>
> Switching to the Tabbed (notebook bar) is available, by module, from the
> top level View menu.
>
> When the Tabbed (notebook bar) is visible the top level menu is removed.
> The Tabbed bar now offers two drop down menus, one is available across all
> tabs, there is  also a tab specific menu.
>
> The ability to change back to the Standard Toolbar UI is always available
> from the All Tabs drop down menu, which of course restores the top level
> menu also.
>
> It should also me noted that secondary toolbars can still be used with the
> Tabbed (notebook bar), this is controlled both by context (some functions
> turn on secondary tool bars) or by the user from an item on the All Tabs
> drop down menu.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Drew
>
>
> Regards
>
> Nige
> 
> From: Mike Saunders  mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>>
> Sent: 23 November 2018 08:46
> To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org marketing@global.libreoffice.org>
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of
> LibreOffice'.
>
> Hello,
>
> On 23/11/2018 09:09, kainz.a wrote:
> >
> > I would recommend to focus on some toppics and don't mix everything in
> one
> > Poster.
>
> Yep, I agree! Drew, it's a great idea and thanks for working on it, but
> I think we need to focus on one thing at a time with the messaging.
> Otherwise people may get the idea that LibreOffice is too complicated,
> can't decide on a cohesive interface etc.
>
> The NotebookBar is going to be a big deal for LO 6.2, so we need to
> focus on one or two variants of it and say:
>
> * What it is (a new, OPTIONAL user interface design -- we're not
> changing everything! Otherwise we'll get a huge amount of angry comments
> on social media ;-) )
>
> * Why it's great (work with items in context, faster workflow etc.)
>
> * How to try it -- and super important, how to go back!
>
> IMO we need to simultaneously communicate that LibreOffice 6.2 has the
> same reliable, trusted, familiar user interface as previous releases,
> but is also modern, forward-looking and adaptable. This isn't easy, but
> if we do it right and not overload people with lots of information and
> screenshots, I think we can make it work...
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of LibreOffice'.

[kainz.a]

We add one or two release ago gradients maybe you can use one. I would love
to see that you can do awesome things with the defaults.

There is a white to gray gradient.

Cheers

Am Fr., 23. Nov. 2018, 20:07 hat Drew Jensen 
geschrieben:

> Well, thanks for all the good feedback.
>
> I have to agree with most of it - this piece ended being a bad decision,
> and of course adding some adornments ended up making it a bad idea with a
> pretty background (or as an old saying where I live would put it, You can
> put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig).
>
> Anyway - will scratch that piece and try to focus on the Toolbar change.
>
> Will keep you posted.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Drew
>
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 3:47 AM Mike Saunders <
> mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > On 23/11/2018 09:09, kainz.a wrote:
> > >
> > > I would recommend to focus on some toppics and don't mix everything in
> > one
> > > Poster.
> >
> > Yep, I agree! Drew, it's a great idea and thanks for working on it, but
> > I think we need to focus on one thing at a time with the messaging.
> > Otherwise people may get the idea that LibreOffice is too complicated,
> > can't decide on a cohesive interface etc.
> >
> > The NotebookBar is going to be a big deal for LO 6.2, so we need to
> > focus on one or two variants of it and say:
> >
> > * What it is (a new, OPTIONAL user interface design -- we're not
> > changing everything! Otherwise we'll get a huge amount of angry comments
> > on social media ;-) )
> >
> > * Why it's great (work with items in context, faster workflow etc.)
> >
> > * How to try it -- and super important, how to go back!
> >
> > IMO we need to simultaneously communicate that LibreOffice 6.2 has the
> > same reliable, trusted, familiar user interface as previous releases,
> > but is also modern, forward-looking and adaptable. This isn't easy, but
> > if we do it right and not overload people with lots of information and
> > screenshots, I think we can make it work...
> >
> > Mike
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of LibreOffice'.

[kainz.a]

As LibO has very different UI's on different devices or cause the user can
choise it's not that easy to make a good poster about it (to much content).

LibO work on different OS on different devices and in addition LibO can
change according to the users need.

I would recommend to focus on some toppics and don't mix everything in one
Poster.

eg.

LibreOffice on Windows: with Tabbed Toolbar and Colibre Icons -> perfect
fit on Win10
LibreOffice on GTK: with Grouped compact Toolbar and Elementary icons ->
Grouped compact will follow the only main functions in the UI approach from
Gnome.
LibreOffice on OS-X: with global menu and Standard Toolbar -> Global
menubar fit's OS-X users workflow
LibreOffice Online: with gdoc's UI and Breeze icon -> your Office suite for
everywhere

Fancy screenshot with personas whatever to show what's possible, but at
least I would make a second poster with what's possible.

cheers
Andreas_K

Am Fr., 23. Nov. 2018 um 08:34 Uhr schrieb K-J LibreOffice <
k...@libreoffice.org>:

> Hi Drew,
> Am 23.11.2018 um 01:01 schrieb Drew Jensen:
> [...]
>
> > So take a look, I might still make a change or two, but I wouldn't change
> > the logo usage at this point. Also I'll leave the jpeg in the shared
> > Marketing folder there if you like.
>
> The background is for me somehow a kind of ironic: An oldish background
> while talking about the newer LO platforms.
>
> Perhaps you can provide a link and a QR-Code on the poster where the
> user finds a description of changing the UI (notebook bar, Persona) or
> to documentation or so.
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Notebookbar out of Experimental

[kainz.a]

Hi,

I get the information yesterday that I can move Notebookbar out of
experimental (at least for beta and RC), BUT not all notebookbars are
finished (only tabbed) and I don't want to "release" something that is not
finished and than I get bad feedback for cotextual notebookbar or tabbed
compact, ...

So I have to first finish groupedbar and groupedbar_compact to make them
available without experimental mode.

cheers
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[libreoffice-marketing] Notebookbar out of Experimental

[kainz.a]

Hi,

I know the notebookbar implementation has bugs but it's under development
since around 4 years and on each release the news pages wrote about this
experimental feature.

I talked at Munich Hackfest about the big open bugs
- bad keyboard navigation
you can use F6 like in every other LibO app (F6 switch from Menubar to
Toolbar to NB to Sidebar), but it would be awesome if
svtlo-ManagedMenuButton will support keyboard shortcut focus if menubar is
hidden and also sfxlo-NotebookbarToolBox widgets which was used to add the
different uno commands didn't work with F6 -> tab
I hope to get some patches to fix this issue, you are welcome to help.

- chart didn't support NB
the chart bug (if you open an chart in writer you see the notebookbar and
the toolbar) can be fixed by add an NB to chart module (which I can do) and
use this NB instead of the chart toolbar. But there is no progress in this
change cause chart if different from other modules.

- OS-X glitches
on OS-X there are several UI issues. I don't have an Mac so I can't say to
much.

The biggest issue is that there is NO developer working on the NB stuff. We
talk each release to bring NB out of experimental. As there is no real
progress (excluding the ui files) I recommend to bring some implementations
(tabbed, groupedbar) ouf of experimental for 6.2. Than we get more user
feedback and maybe some new developers.

cheers
Andreas_K

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Social media ideas for LibreOffice 6.1 release announcement

[kainz.a]

I don't know if it's available but I would add an diagramm, where you can
see what happens in the last 3-4 releases so eg. pull requests, closed
bugs, ...

You say "*it's packed with new features*" maybe you can draw a diagramm
that describe that's it's not really a tiny update

cheers
Andreas_K

2018-08-06 15:24 GMT+02:00 Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>:

> On 06/08/2018 15:10, kainz.a wrote:
> >
> > I prefer the first one and would add the 6.1 movie (as fare as I know
> there
> > is a movie in preparation)
>
> Thanks Andreas. Regarding the movie, it is indeed ready to go, but I
> think it's better in a separate tweet. (Otherwise the first tweet will
> have two distinct links, which doesn't work very well. And the press
> release that we link to will include the video anyway.)
>
> So like with LO 6.0, the plan for the day is:
>
> * Tweet about the release the moment it's available
>
> * Two hours later, tweet a direct link to the new features video
>
> * Two hours after that, start tweeting about specific new features in
> this release, with screenshots
>
> Mike
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Social media ideas for LibreOffice 6.1 release announcement

[kainz.a]

I prefer the first one and would add the 6.1 movie (as fare as I know there
is a movie in preparation)

2018-08-06 14:37 GMT+02:00 Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>:

> Hello everyone,
>
> If all goes to plan, LibreOffice 6.1 will be released on Wednesday.
> Social media is an important way to spread the word, of course -- for
> the LO 6.0 release, our announcement tweet had over 100,000 impressions:
>
> https://twitter.com/libreoffice/status/958658057558519809
>
> The main things we want to express in the tweet are: what's new (ie why
> people should be excited), that it's made by a community (to encourage
> people to get involved), and where to read more/download it. I've put
> two ideas for the tweet below, but more feedback is welcome :-) We can
> expand on these for the Google+, Facebook etc. posts as well...
>
>
> LibreOffice 6.1 is here, and it's packed with new features, user
> interface improvements, and performance boosts. A big thanks to our
> community for making it happen! Learn all about the new features and
> download it now: LINK #anewlibreoffice
>
>
> It's here! LibreOffice 6.1 is now available – it's the fastest, most
> beautiful and most feature-rich version we've ever made. Discover the
> great new features and download it for free: LINK – and a huge thanks to
> our community for making it happen! #anewlibreoffice
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice 6.1 RC1 Bug Hunting Session - Ankara

[kainz.a]

Hi Muhammet,

I am very interested to make a great colibre icon theme release so bug
reports are welcome.

Cheers
Andreas Kainz

Muhammet Kara  schrieb am Di., 10. Juli 2018,
09:34:

> Hi Mike,
>
> Thank you too for your great work on the marketing side! :)
>
> Cheers,
> Muhammet
>
> On 07/10/2018 10:29 AM, Mike Saunders wrote:
> > Hi Muhammet,
> >
> > Thanks very much for helping to organise this event -- I've posted it on
> > the blog here:
> >
> >
> https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2018/07/10/live-libreoffice-6-1-rc1-bug-hunting-session-in-ankara-on-july-13/
> >
> > I'll spread the word, and add it to the calendar too!
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > On 09/07/2018 17:30, Muhammet Kara wrote:
> >> Hi Mike & All,
> >>
> >> I am re-sending this with a smaller attachment, to evade spam filters.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Muhammet
> >>
> >> On 07/06/2018 05:33 PM, Muhammet Kara wrote:
> >>> Hi Mike & All,
> >>>
> >>> We are going to have a LibreOffice 6.1 RC1 Bug Hunting Session in
> >>> Ankara on July 13. Here are the details:
> >>>
> >>>* Date: July 13 Friday
> >>>* Time: 14:00-17:00 (UTC+3)
> >>>* Location: TUBITAK ULAKBIM, 7th Floor, Meeting Room 2
> >>>* Registration form: https://goo.gl/forms/paVTg3ExZDn0Oytj1
> >>>
> >>> Attendees will bring their own laptops. Registration until Thursday
> >>> 17:00 (UTC+3) is required. There will be snacks, tea, and some swag!
> >>>
> >>> Could you please add the event to the calendar? (It is already on the
> >>> events wiki page.)
> >>>
> >>> I have also attached a banner to be shared on social media, blog posts
> >>> etc.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Muhammet
> >>
> >>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] REMINDER Marketing Conference Call

[kainz.a]

6. Colibre icon theme as new default icon theme for Windows and replacement
for galaxy
7. Progress at notebookbar implementations (Writer NB's are "finished")

2018-04-04 9:09 GMT+02:00 Italo Vignoli :

> Marketing Conference Call is scheduled for tomorrow,
> Thursday April 5, at 2:30PM CEST
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> We will use Jitsi: https://meet.jit.si/libreofficemarketing
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> Agenda
>
> 1. Report about LibreOffice Conference Indonesia
> 2. Status of upcoming and planned events in 2018
> 3. Upcoming Month of LibreOffice in May
> 4. Status of approved marketing/community budget
> 5. Other non planned topics
>
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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Default color for shapes

[kainz.a]

Hi,

I also think change the default color is an improvement cause first the
tango blue isn't or brand and second the default blue didn't work on
monochrome printout and colored printouts are way more expensive than gray
ones.

As LibreOffice has branding color I would suggeste the branded colors, but
Light Lime 2 from the default color plate is also fine.
https://files.arsenalrace.at/owncloud/index.php/s/F2jn24CjM2KXA42

2017-12-19 11:05 GMT+01:00 Pedro Rosmaninho :

> I think that suits LO perfectly! It makes it more brand coherent as well.
> :)
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Heiko Tietze  >
> wrote:
>
> > tl;dr: Change Sky Tango Blue into Light Lime 2 for shapes?
> >
> > Shapes are painted in blue, probably because this was one of the basic
> > Tango colors. However, we changed the standard palette recently. And in
> > order to not show a hex value a lot of sources files needs to get
> touched.
> > And now I wonder if we better got with a more LibreOffice'ish green as
> > default color. My suggestion is Light Lime 2 for the area and Lime for
> the
> > border. Consequently, it has also be the color for the shape icons - and
> > wherever we used the blue before. Little drawback is the typical system
> > blue for highlighted controls such as toggled buttons or scrollbars,
> which
> > contradicts with green. Not too much, IMHO.
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: LibreOffice Mascot

[kainz.a]

Hi,

I read in the pad that colibri is one idea for an LibreOffice mascot.

Here an example of an coLibre
http://imgur.com/a/VXWNg

and with different background
http://imgur.com/a/VC2Uj

the design was community driven. I got very good improvements from the
telegram groups (LibreOffice and LibreOffice Design EN in addition from the
KDE VDG) so thanks for everybody to imporve the work.

If you think another animal was a good choise. I'll read the mailing list
and maybe I can prepare another mascot.

cheers
Andreas K

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Branding for LibreOffice 6.0

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>
> Task:
> * New motif (Question: Or do we want to keep the triangles rather than
> moving forward to hexagons?)
>   + Current design
> + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements
> * Applying the motif to new splash screen / banner (661x169px)
>   + Current design
> + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
>   + Previous ideas
> + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Playground/Splash_screen
> + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding/Banner_
> Proposals
> * Applying the motif to flyers, stickers etc.
>   + Current flyers
> + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Gallery_Flyers
> * (Can we technically introduce a new progress bar and do we want to?
> There is a proposal https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Chin_Zee_Yuen
> )
> * (What else?)
>
>
what do you need in which resolution?
- splash screen (661x169px)
- start screen, motif?
- LibreOffice logo?
- Application logos?


> Restriction
> * Follow guidelines for colors and branding
>   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
> * Create at least two ideas that can be presented to the community
> * Finish the job until end of July 2017
> * Use open data format or at least SVG
> (What else?)
>
> Metaphors (i.e. For what stands LibreOffice?)
> * Transparency, Sustainability, Freedom
> * Community
> * MUFFIN
> * Green
> * Six, hexagon, ...
>

- Connection between webpage and LibreOffice Design?
- New features for LibreOffice 6?
- Marketing Strategy, what's the selling point for 6.0?
- Why do you release LibreOffice 6 in Q1/2018

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