[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Charles, You wrote: Drew, 2011/5/12 drew d...@baseanswers.com On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 22:25 -0300, luiz wrote: Hi, On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 17:17 +, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: And this recalls another concern of ours: there are 4 brazilians as TDF members/founders. I count 3: Claudio, David and Olivier. Eliane Domingos is the fourth. //drew Hi Luiz. It was simply that I knew there was at least four members from Brasil - I recalled seeing a blog by Olivier Hallot on the subject. http://olivierhallot.blogspot.com/2011/05/novo-membro-da-document-foundation.html You are going places in your reply however where I have no business going. Best wishes, Drew As far as I can tell, this link is quite clear: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ I don't see Eliane Domingos in that list. So don't comment on what you expect, but read what is written: Paulo did refer to founding members and actual TDF members. Please have a look here: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ Regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE : [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Le 12 mai 2011, 10:01 AM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at a écrit : Charles, You wrote: Drew, 2011/5/12 drew d...@baseanswers.comOn Wed, 2011-05-11 at 22:25 -0... So don't comment on what you expect, but read what is written: Paulo did refer to founding members and actual TDF members. Please have a look here: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ Regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http:/... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Hi all, On 12/05/2011 11:00, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Charles, You wrote: Drew, 2011/5/12 drewd...@baseanswers.com On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 22:25 -0300, luiz wrote: Hi, On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 17:17 +, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: And this recalls another concern of ours: there are 4 brazilians as TDF members/founders. I count 3: Claudio, David and Olivier. Eliane Domingos is the fourth. //drew Hi Luiz. It was simply that I knew there was at least four members from Brasil - I recalled seeing a blog by Olivier Hallot on the subject. http://olivierhallot.blogspot.com/2011/05/novo-membro-da-document-foundation.html You are going places in your reply however where I have no business going. Best wishes, Drew As far as I can tell, this link is quite clear: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ I don't see Eliane Domingos in that list. So don't comment on what you expect, but read what is written: Paulo did refer to founding members and actual TDF members. But as a member of the committee, what I see is that Paulo membership application is in review and have not been refused nor accepted. So this is simply not true that we have favored anybody here, and the review period is necessary for us when we have to check the participation, even more in another language than English. We are just volunteers trying to get the things correctly done too. And if there is an issue with a decision of the committee, feel free to claim for explanation on the steering discuss list. Thanks in advance Kind regards Sophie Please have a look here: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ Regards Bernhard -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE : [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Bernhard, I'm not commenting on what I expect. Paulo's sentence if yesterday was quite clear. There aren't 4 brazilian founders of tdf, and I sure hope there will be more than 4 brazilian members of TDF. But then I find that reasoning on the base of nationality is not the best way to look at our membership... Charles. Le 12 mai 2011, 10:01 AM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at a écrit : Charles, You wrote: Drew, 2011/5/12 drew d...@baseanswers.comOn Wed, 2011-05-11 at 22:25 -0... So don't comment on what you expect, but read what is written: Paulo did refer to founding members and actual TDF members. Please have a look here: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ Regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http:/... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Hi Bernhard , Unfortunately, Charles sees only what he wants and just says what he wants. Not really concerned about the serious issues we are bringing. Luiz Charles, You wrote: Drew, 2011/5/12 drew d...@baseanswers.com On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 22:25 -0300, luiz wrote: Hi, On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 17:17 +, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: And this recalls another concern of ours: there are 4 brazilians as TDF members/founders. I count 3: Claudio, David and Olivier. Eliane Domingos is the fourth. //drew Hi Luiz. It was simply that I knew there was at least four members from Brasil - I recalled seeing a blog by Olivier Hallot on the subject. http://olivierhallot.blogspot.com/2011/05/novo-membro-da-document-foundation.html You are going places in your reply however where I have no business going. Best wishes, Drew As far as I can tell, this link is quite clear: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ I don't see Eliane Domingos in that list. So don't comment on what you expect, but read what is written: Paulo did refer to founding members and actual TDF members. Please have a look here: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ Regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: RE : [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Good morning/afternoon/evening/night for all. First of all: sorry for the top posting. Please, guys I think we can let this issue about membership go, only thinking about some simple facts: 1 - Charles garantee us he is taking objetive criteria for new membership submission. I think it's true. 2 - If this is true, I suppose those criteria are (please correct me if I am mistaken): member's activities on wiki, pootle, silverstripe, ODFAuthors, mailing lists, etc. 3 - A subjetive criteria is being used, that is an opinion of one or more older members. Based on this facts, I must conclude that: 1 - Eliane's activities on Silver Stripe were counted to the score. Eliane has no English skills to translate all those pages from libreoffice.org to pt-br.libreoffice.org, so, in last December/January, she asked me, Rui and Rogério to translate them and send translations to her in PVT e-mails. To shut up our voices, she had included our photos in a separated credits page in pt-br.libreoffice.org. This is well documented in the history of silver stripe and in our mailing lists. So, I suppose that the copy and paste girl used our work to sum scores and become elegible. And this is what I mean when I say they were acting like a proxy between Brazilian Community and TDF. And that behavior was the last drop for us to start a rebelion against those people. 2 - Charles must be asked for Olivier/David/Gustavo's opinion about Eliane Domingues, which should be the best possible, I suppose. Again, Olivier can have been lied to us, because some days ago he told us he was not contacted by anyone about this issue, in one of our mailing lists. Or, possibly, Charles could have forgotten to do that... I don't know. In this case, only the objective criteria should be considered. Based on those evidences, we must ask for your attention to some things: 1 - We have asked for a second admin account to Pootle for Claudio F. Filho. It isn't a confortable situation to have only one admin and this one are not trusted. This request were made some times before and denied. 2 - The system you are using for membership submission isn't the state of art, but it's the one you have. It should be reviewed. I won't ask for you to review Eliane's membership submission. That's your job to decide that based on the evidences and in your will. We have enough evidences even to accuse her of unauthorized use of our work for self benefit. But I think, only the fact we know that is enough. I don't think we could separate what part of that work belongs to each one of us, at this time. So I will not request a revision of her score. I think each one of us has the skills and the will to show up our jobs and sum those scores again. I also think things are cleared, at last. Now, we all must clean this mess and go to work. And there's a lot of work to do!!! I think the requests made by Bernard in the other e-mail are quite fair, and all of them will be done asap. I finish here my contribution to this topic. Thanks a lot for hearing us. My best regards to all of you. 2011/5/12 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Bernhard, I'm not commenting on what I expect. Paulo's sentence if yesterday was quite clear. There aren't 4 brazilian founders of tdf, and I sure hope there will be more than 4 brazilian members of TDF. But then I find that reasoning on the base of nationality is not the best way to look at our membership... Charles. Le 12 mai 2011, 10:01 AM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at a écrit : Charles, You wrote: Drew, 2011/5/12 drew d...@baseanswers.comOn Wed, 2011-05-11 at 22:25 -0... So don't comment on what you expect, but read what is written: Paulo did refer to founding members and actual TDF members. Please have a look here: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ Regards Bernhard -- http://pt-br.libreoffice.org Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
