Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-06-04 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - - Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: Since the FPL has appointed three of those seats to volunteers and only one to someone who's a Red Hat employee, I'm not sure how this is relevant. Looking at the Board history for those seats[1] one can

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-06-04 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 01:06:28PM -0500, inode0 wrote: On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: Let me try to rephrase this so you better understand what I'm getting at... Why does Red Hat reserve four seats on the board for itself to appoint to

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-06-04 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/04/2012 02:51 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: This is a good explanation. I'd also reiterate that against the community is not supported by the fact that (1), and (2) the FPL continues to appoint quite a few non-Red Hat employees, over the Board's history. Well the FPL is not elected by the

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-06-04 Thread inode0
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/04/2012 02:51 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: This is a good explanation.  I'd also reiterate that against the community is not supported by the fact that (1), and (2) the FPL continues to appoint quite a few

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-06-04 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
First thing I'd like to say - I'm pretty sure this is not a right mailing list to discuss governance issues - there's Board Advisory one. Sparsely used by community :( - Original Message - On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson And here are few I think is wrong with

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-06-04 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/04/2012 07:03 PM, inode0 wrote: On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/04/2012 02:51 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: This is a good explanation. I'd also reiterate that against the community is not supported by the fact that (1), and (2) the

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-06-04 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/05/2012 12:04 AM, inode0 wrote: snip.../snip Don't you think the power to influence the project's direction is coming from the work being done more than from participation on a governance body? Not with regards to FESCO no I cant say I can. More often than not decisions that have been

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-06-01 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 02:03:19AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 05/31/2012 03:27 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: Red Hat people who contribute to Fedora are community too. There's not a dividing line with the community on one side, and Red Hat on the other. I beg the differ for one

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-06-01 Thread Robert 'Bob' Jensen
- Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: Since the FPL has appointed three of those seats to volunteers and only one to someone who's a Red Hat employee, I'm not sure how this is relevant. Looking at the Board history for those seats[1] one can see half the appointments since

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-06-01 Thread inode0
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: Let me try to rephrase this so you better understand what I'm getting at... Why does Red Hat reserve four seats on the board for itself to appoint to whomever it chooses? Red Hat used to reserve five and released

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-06-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/01/2012 10:24 PM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: How about the bigger question, what percentage of FESCo has been Red Hat employees during any term. Since FESCo is fully elected, it is entirely up to Fedora contributors to choose whom they elect. If they want to factor in, the

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 08:29:30AM +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro wrote: But I think we all agree the linked article is really bad written and it would he useful to help those news sources to improve their reporting. In

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Robyn Bergeron
On 05/31/2012 05:39 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 08:29:30AM +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Nicu Buculeinicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro wrote: But I think we all agree the linked article is really bad written and it would he useful to help those

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/31/2012 12:39 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 08:29:30AM +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Nicu Buculeinicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro wrote: But I think we all agree the linked article is really bad written and it would he useful to help those

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 02:22:05PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 05/31/2012 12:39 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 08:29:30AM +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Nicu Buculeinicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro wrote: But I think we all agree the

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-05-31 Thread inode0
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/29/2012 03:15 PM, Karin Bakis wrote: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2180673/red-hat-releases-fedora Red Hat has released its Fedora 17! Is it Red Hat that sends announcements and claims to be

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-05-31 Thread inode0
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: Here we come to one of the core issues of Red Hat vs The Fedora community as in we ( the community ) do not view RHEL release being one function of the Fedora Project. The community is large and comes to Fedora

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Gianluca Sforna
Thanks Paul (and Robyn) for your reply On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: There's a big difference between Fedora is a beta and users are guinea pigs, and Fedora is a place where *any contributor* can work on new technical features and put them in

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Gianluca Sforna
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 5:36 PM, inode0 ino...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.redhat.com/about/news/press-archive/2012/5/fedora17-provides-potent-virtualization-cloud-features-and-enhanced-desktop-and-developer-functionality I can't help but read that as a sponsor expressing in public how proud

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/31/2012 03:27 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: Red Hat people who contribute to Fedora are community too. There's not a dividing line with the community on one side, and Red Hat on the other. I beg the differ for one example from within our community why does Red Hat feel the need to appoint

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-05-30 Thread Nicu Buculei
On 05/29/2012 09:31 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundssonwrote: On 05/29/2012 03:15 PM, Karin Bakis wrote: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2180673/red-hat-releases-fedora Red Hat has released its Fedora 17! Is it Red Hat that sends

Re: The Inquirier on F17

2012-05-29 Thread Karin Bakis
ann B. Guðmundsson" johan...@gmail.comTo: marketing@lists.fedoraproject.orgSent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 2:18:21 PMSubject: Re: The Inquirier on F17 On 05/29/2012 03:15 PM, Karin Bakis wrote: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2180673/red-hat-relea