Re: [in the news] FISL 11 article in Terra.com.br
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 03:48:58PM -0400, Daniel Bruno wrote: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Kara Schiltz kschi...@redhat.com wrote: 7.23.10 Terra.com.br One of the Fedora news articles from FISL that ran last week in a Brazilian news portal. It's in portuguese -- can anyone help translate some of the main points from the article to English? Link to article: http://tecnologia.terra.com.br/noticias/0,,OI4582605-EI16771,00-Fisl+novo+lider+do+projeto+diz+que+Fedora+e+a+solucao.html Hello Kara, I can translate the article and send it to you in plain text tonight. Ok? That would be great Daniel! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: [Ambassadors] Goodbye
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 06:44:23PM +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: So, here I am. Thank you my friends for everything. I wish you all my best. Long life to Fedora Project, one of the marvelous experience I've ever had. Francesco, I know that your time has been short over the last year, but even so you've done tremendous work in the Fedora Project for a long time. The positive attitude you've shown every day, your willingness to learn and grow, and your interest in stepping up to lead even when it was difficult, has put a wonderful mark on Fedora that will last for a long time. You are always welcome here, Francesco, and I hope you will not be a stranger to us -- you're part of our Fedora family! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Talking points/spotlight features
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 09:12:30AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Robyn Bergeron robyn.berge...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: It's that time again -- time for us to figure out the features that we want to spend a little extra effort calling out in the next Fedora release because they're particularly innovative or interesting. The full explanation of talking points is found here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points_SOP Note that talking points are *not* a comprehensive list. The list is meant to be short and effective at sparking the interest of many different groups. This helps show that there is something for lots of people in Fedora. The main source for the talking points is in the feature list: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FeatureList Off the top of my head, I see some very compelling stuff to which we might call people's attention: * systemd * EC2 * MeeGo * Roll-up of programming tools (D, Eclipse Helios, GNUstep, debugging tools) Things not on that list which might merit inclusion include the new website design, underway and hopefully rolling out for F14. I've been working on a PR schedule to assist Jared in his FPL duties, and next week he is supposed to meet with Red Hat's Creative team. In the near future, the team will shoot videos to help show off spotlight features in Fedora 14. So the sooner we have talking points included, the easier we will make their job too. Can we start this process slightly early? I have no issues with this - in fact, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_Talking_Points is already being filled out. And if we want to - we could do an impromptu meeting around this tomorrow - I know rrix had planned on kicking off the process on Tuesday at the next marketing meeting (I'll be driving somewhere in Wyoming, although I hope to have arrived and be in my hotel by this point, but I am perpetually not on time to my hotel when driving with childrenz). Or we could do it Monday, but at that point, I'd almost say we could just wait till Tuesday during our regularly scheduled time. I'm not sure that we've done a meeting around it at the beginning, other than to say, let's send out email to a few lists and get some people involved in helping round out the list on the wiki - usually, IIRC, we've just had the meeting at the tail end to go through what people have already populated. Thoughts? Right you are about just kicking it off -- in fact, there's a form email in the SOP. Perhaps Ryan would like to send that out, to kick off the process? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Social Media Passwording
On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 01:25:28PM +0200, wonderer wrote: Hy, The idea behind that seem to be ok. Me personally do not like sharing sensible data like passwords over a common media like the internet. I think GnuPG is pretty good for sharing passwords instead of sending them over another Server which we can not control of ourself and we do not know what they do with the data. In my opinion such service is Ok for personal use, but not for a big community or even in business. This is the main reason we're using HootSuite now -- we can add people to the team with individual passwords but shared access to the accounts to which we post. Then there's no need to share passphrases at all, and no need to worry about changing them when membership changes. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Talking points/spotlight features
On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 10:41:17AM -0400, Andrew Overholt wrote: * Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com [2010-07-29 11:58]: * Roll-up of programming tools (D, Eclipse Helios, GNUstep, debugging tools) ^^ Let me know if you need more information on the new versions of Eclipse stuff. The upstream new and noteworthy sets are pretty good. If you want to stick some links to those in the feature page(s), that would help quite a bit I think! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Upcoming Fedora 14 Tasks
Aha! I added those to the FPL's schedule, but they are also tagged for marketing since I thought people on this list would be interested it was happening. On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 09:22:57AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote: I just noticed this meet with creative to schedule videos and creative team videos - when did these get added to the marketing schedule? -Robyn On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 12:27 PM, John Poelstra poels...@redhat.com wrote: Start End Name Tue 03-Aug Tue 10-Aug Meet w/Creative to schedule videos Tue 03-Aug Tue 26-Oct Creative team videos Tue 03-Aug Wed 27-Oct Public Relations Tue 03-Aug Tue 10-Aug Create Talking Points Tue 10-Aug Tue 17-Aug Create Release Slogan Thu 12-Aug Thu 12-Aug Fedora 14 Alpha Release Readiness Meeting Thu 12-Aug Mon 16-Aug Create Alpha Announcement (Marketing Docs) Tue 17-Aug Tue 17-Aug Alpha Public Availability Tue 17-Aug Tue 24-Aug Review Firefox Bookmarks For Update Tue 17-Aug Tue 14-Sep Feature Profiles Have you found something that is working really well in your schedule? Or maybe you've found something you believe would work better in the future? Update the schedule retrospective page now to capture all of the important details as they happen: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_Schedule_Retrospective -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Microblog feed
We have a team of people who have access to the HootSuite account, and can send stuff to Identi.ca @fedora via the Ping.fm link. Does any of those people aside from me want to send out a status regarding the slip of F14 Alpha and the resulting schedule change? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Schedule -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
FUDCon EMEA press release
https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/124 Henrik, I'm sorry I didn't see this ticket earlier. I wanted to ask here what the FUDCon organizers for EMEA want to see regarding a press release. Do you want Red Hat's PR group to help you craft that press release, and send it out via their channels in the EMEA region? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Fwd: F14 Talking Points - Need something for Sugar
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 03:06:28PM -0400, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi! Simon from Sugar Labs got us a nice summary of the upcoming features in Sugar 0.90, so I threw these on the wiki page. Does this look sane? Changes and editing more than welcome! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_talking_points#Sugar_0.90 Thanks Sebastian! The only thing I would offer is that two out of three of the talking points focus more on the technology than on what the user can do with it (or alternately, what the visible effects are for them). Can we get anyone on the list to look at these points and redefine them in the context of how it makes users (kids) able to be even more awesome? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F14 release slogan - question for all
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 05:57:10PM +0100, Luke Slater wrote: On 19 August 2010 16:45, Jared K. Smith jsm...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Jared K. Smith jsm...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Our Plan B slogan was also approved. Our second choice slogan was Evolve. Actually, I jumped the gun on this one as well :-( In going back through my email this morning to double check, I see that the backup slogan was *not* approved. So please don't announce anything until I get my act together. Sorry for the confusion. I like evolve better anyway :) Unfortunately, that's the Plan B slogan that was not approved. We should come up with a plan to deal with this -- it's far from catastrophic, just something we need to discuss and then execute. We have a couple options, it seems to me: (1) Go back to the drawing board. At the public Marketing meeting[1] there weren't any other slogans in the proposal list that generated enthusiastic response. So we could try to come up with one or more here, and try again with Legal. (2) Put aside the slogan for F14, and use whatever space we reserve for the release-specific slogan to instead reinforce (for example) the 4 Foundations. We can probably have a separate discussion about the long-term value of a release-specific slogan, and whether we feel it's worthwhile to continue that practice. For now, let's concentrate on what to do for F14 specifically. Which of the above options do people feel has the most value right now? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: FUDCon EMEA press release
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 09:43:45PM +0200, wonderer wrote: Hi Henrik, I can coordinate with Red Hat's PR team in EMEA and help get the press release out to media contacts. Hy Kara, that sounds great! If possible let me know to whom I can speak or who can tell me which contacts you already use so that we do not send out it double ;-) Hi Henrik, we worked on the press release text a bit, so that it would be ready for legal review and also to pass to Red Hat's PR team in EMEA. A text copy appears below. This doesn't include the extra bit at the end that's required for the press releases Red Hat sends (where it talks about not guaranteeing future results for investors, etc.). Here's what I would recommend: (1) Review the text and see if it's acceptable. (2) Let the list know -- or email Jared, me, and Kara -- where you want to send the press release, and we can work together with you to make sure it doesn't go to the same places twice through our EMEA PR team. * * * [Insert city, country] – Aug. xx, 2010 – The Fedora Project, a Red Hat sponsored and community-supported open source collaboration project, today announced it will host the Fedora Users and Developers Conference (FUDCon) for Europe, the Middle East, and Africa (EMEA) between September 17-19, 2010 at ETH in Zurich, Switzerland. FUDCon EMEA features technical lectures, working sessions, and other learning and collaboration opportunities for present and future Fedora contributors. FUDCon EMEA occurs alongside the FrOSCamp 2010 conference in Zurich, which runs September 17-18, 2010. FrOSCamp is an annual, multilingual event that includes an exhibition, talks, workshops and hackfests concerning free and open source software and content, open standards and systems, and digital sustainability. As a major Linux distribution, Fedora includes the work of numerous upstream free software projects. The FrOSCamp event will include space dedicated to these projects as well as to the FUDCon event. By holding FUDCon next to this free software conference, the organizers aim to facilitate collaboration between Fedora contributors and the other attendees of FrOSCamp. Keynotes will be held in a shared area to benefit both event audiences. Fedora Project Leader Jared Smith will deliver a keynote at FUDCon, and other notable contributors from the Fedora Project from both the United States and around the EMEA region are scheduled to deliver talks and lead hacking sessions. In addition, on both Friday and Saturday nights there will be social events following the day's proceedings where attendees will comingle and socialize. Scheduled FUDCon activities will continue through Sunday following the end of FrOSCamp. More information is available at both the Fedora Project wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Zurich_2010. Pre-registration remains open through the wiki at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Zurich_2010_Pre-registration. As with all FUDCon events, the FUDCon EMEA in Zurich is free of cost and open to anyone to attend. More information regarding FrOSCamp is available at that event's homepage at http://wiki.froscamp.org/Welcome. For more information about the Fedora Project, visit www.fedoraproject.org. For more news about Red Hat, visit www.redhat.com. For more news, more often, visit www.press.redhat.com. * * * -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
MeeGo no-go, spin still go-go?
Hi Marketing folks, Peter Robinson, a Fedora contributor in the Mini SIG, has worked previously on the Moblin based Fedora spin, and has been working on a spin that includes MeeGo software. He has been talking to some of the folks involved in MeeGo about their compliance testing, which is a requirement for us to use the MeeGo marks.[1][2] Unfortunately what we've heard about the compliance requirements (which have yet to be published AFAIK) is that we'd be required to ship and use ConnMan, a nonstandard userspace network control stack that is not compatible with NetworkManager. This is not in Fedora for several reasons, one of the most obvious among them being it would be very confusing to maintain two entirely separate and incompatible network control stacks of this type. This doesn't mean we won't have this particular spin, but it will affect our use of the MeeGo name and trademark. The spin will probably need to be renamed in some way. We can say the spin contains some MeeGo software, which is fair use because it is a true statement. The MeeGo name would need to be marked with proper trademark attribution. Peter is considering options for renaming the spin accordingly, and swapping out any required artwork, which he believes is not a substantial amount of work. If anyone is interested in helping Peter, please get in touch with him via the Spins SIG. I've told you everything I know about the issue here -- I'm letting Marketing know about the issue so that the team can keep in touch with Peter to make sure F14 talking points and any other F14 material like the one-page, shiny release notes are kept in sync. I told Peter I would send on this message on his behalf, because he's quite busy at work but he wanted other involved teams to know what was going on. * * * [1] http://meego.com/about/trademark http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/linux-foundation-trademark-usage-guidelines [2] Using the mark is also subject to other restrictions such as when juxtaposing it with another product name like Fedora. Fedora already has agreement with the Linux Foundation on a suitable name and permission to use it, but that's contingent on passing the compliance testing. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Feature profiles and press blog
Re: our meeting today, I'm going to talk to Kara Schiltz to see if we can reserve some time slots on the Red Hat press blog to run stories about our feature profiles. Although optimally we like those feature profiles to match up 1-for-1 with the videos we produce, unfortunately we ran short on people available to shoot those videos. That's not by any means a catastrophe, because we can still create press blog entries that trumpet the work being profiled. I'm going to ask about Thursdays preceding our release, since that essentially gives us a double-whammy with the videos we hope to release for a couple Tuesdays preceding the release date. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Feature profile Thursdays?
Hey Marketeers, I touched base with Kara Schiltz, re: our previous meeting, to see if there were any Thursdays free on the Red Hat press blog where we could pimp some of the Fedora 14 feature profiles. Kara's going to respond back with some possible dates for publication we could target. To do this, the responsible profile writer will need to: * Prepare some material for the wiki, such as a full-size interview and possibly other writing (i.e. do the regular profile) * Draft a press blog entry to wrap around that material, for review and editing by the Red Hat staff before publication Here are some previous feature profile-related press blog entries from the Fedora 13 cycle for comparison: http://press.redhat.com/2010/04/27/fedora-13-spotlight-feature-exploring-new-frontiers-of-python-development/ http://press.redhat.com/2010/04/20/fedora-13-spotlight-feature-networkmanager-gets-even-more-connected/ Robyn -- the feature profiles page is here, but it looks to be blank: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_feature_profiles Can you remind us who's responsible for current feature profiles so we can get this page filled in? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
RHT press release for F14
Hi all, I just got off the phone with Kara Schiltz and one of the topics we discussed was the Red Hat press release for Fedora 14. We're going to base that release in part on the community's release announcement for Fedora 14. We'll start by including some of the text from the Beta release announcement here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_Beta_announcement Of course the final announcement might be slightly different and we'll track that going forward to keep the text in sync as much as possible. In any official press release, Red Hat also adds some other text as is customary and proper for a publicly traded company. However, that shouldn't affect our ability to include specific features and points of interest as drafted by the community. If anyone wants to get a start on the final release announcement, you can use this pre-setup page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_announcement That task is on the schedule for Marketing[1] as going from 2010-10-15 through 2010-10-25, but it's never too early to get started! ;-) You can find the previous announcement on the wiki[2] as well, for reference. = = = [1] http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-marketing-tasks.html [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_announcement -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: [Milkymist-devel] Milkymist tools in FEL
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 08:01:46AM +0800, Gerard Braad Jr. wrote: On 10/13/10, Chitlesh GOORAH chitl...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 2:11 AM, Johnathan Mantey wrote: Yes, but does this place MM into a formal Fedora/RHEL/CentOS release process? What is the fundamental benefit over maintaining an independent MM tree? Hello there, Well, I think others have already answer you briefly. It's a win-win situation for both communities. Sébastien and Gerard already expressed their views from a milkymist angle. Let me now tell you how FEL benefits. Free Electronic Lab focuses on ASIC design flows, our solutions in embedded environment was pretty poor. Thus this collaboration will help us identify the needs of a vibrant Milkymist community and extends our portfolio. Our collaboration is based on a hope that users will get an out of the box platform for instant hardware development. Our goals include promote open hardware. Our existence is based on a hope to enhance hardware engineers experience using opensource EDA tools. We operate like a EDA/CAD group of a company but for the opensource hardware community. Our action items for milkymist is listed here https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-electronic-lab/wiki/Milkymist # yum groupinstall milkymist is already available on upcoming F-14 and upcoming RHEL-6. Currently tools available under the yum groupinstall milkymist includes all DONE items in the above url. Others will find their way once we have time to package and push their to the mirrors. will there be an official announcement \out these updates when F14 gets released? it is a noteworthy addition and it shows we have done collaboration with a proejct in a totally different field; This could easily go in the release announcement: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_announcement Note that announcement is currently blank, and awaiting a volunteer to assemble it from a combination of information from earlier announcements, the release notes, and other important data. A completed version for F13 is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_announcement -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Mobility change
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 09:34:49PM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote: On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: From the advisory-board list -- the Mobility talking point needs some changes. Can someone take this small task on? Hey hey hey, look who's volunteering ;) Copying Peter in case he's not on the marketing list or following it religiously I fixed the talking point and the F14 release notes to match it. So - I guess I have a few questions here, as well as comments. Questions first! * MeeGo is also listed on Feature List [1]. Does that need to be removed? Renamed? As far as I recall, the feature concerned getting the updated software into Fedora and I think that has been mostly completed. I think what Peter was telling us is that there are still some integration bugs that need to be worked out for a usable spin to be produced, but that's a different kettle of fish. * On the MeeGo feature page [2] there is something saying that you can do a yum install meego-netbook from rawhide. Is this still the case? Could we possibly call this something along the lines of a mobility spin tech preview? (I'm not sure what all the technical details are here, which is probably safer for us all anyway :D - just trying to figure out how to distinguish the naming of what we *are* going to have, at least pieces of anyhow.) Good question, I defer to Peter for the answer to that one. * I guess I need a bit of handholding as far as the software we're talking about. Is that the software referenced in the MeeGo page like Clutter, GUPnP, and libsocialweb? Yes, stuff like that -- software from the MeeGo project that's now included in Fedora. Comments second: * I'm really sad to see this one go. I don't know if anyone else noticed but the amount of highlighting this feature / spin got was probably more abundant than anything else. MeeGo was specifically mentioned in a number of the article titles in news that came out around Beta time, as you can see in the press archives. [3] I really appreciate all the work that Peter and everyone else have done on this, and I hope we can work out the issues for next time around! * * * [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FeatureList [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MeeGo_1.0 [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_press_archive Just to be clear, it's only the spin that's not going to get produced. The vast majority of software from the MeeGo core is in Fedora 14. It's never been proper to say MeeGo is in Fedora 14 because there is a tiny fraction of it we don't include because it interferes with the rest of Fedora's software stack (like ConnMan which would replace NetworkManager). Rather, what we do say is that we include most of the software from the MeeGo project in Fedora 14 -- that hasn't changed. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Reminder: Fedora marketing weekly meeting today! - 10/19/2010, 20:00UTC, in #fedora-meeting-1
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 09:37:51AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote: Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Agenda. See you there! Robyn -- sorry I can't attend this one, but I'll check back on the list tonight to see the minutes and how we're doing in the task schedule. Quick status from me: Our press blog entry on the Mobility SIG should be coming out tomorrow, and we have a video feature that is due to come out on Thursday. Next week, we want to publish Robyn's story on Fedora's Cloud SIG, and we also have a second video feature coming. If all goes well, we should be seeing the final release video on Nov. 2, along with the latest version of a certain Linux distro. :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: core still present
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:34:16AM +0200, Jonas Karlsson wrote: as someone will probobly notice I forgot to add in upcoming releases in the end of my last mail. On 10/21/2010 11:32 AM, Jonas Karlsson wrote: Hi all, I've been thinking about the core part in Fedora that was removed some time ago (some 7-8 releases ago) but still hangs around here and there. One place in particular is in package names. Fedora 14 for example have fc14 suffix, why not change this to f14? There are technical reasons for this that concern the NEVR comparison algorithm for packages. For that reason fc here was decided to mean Fedora collection. :-) We need a General random FAQ for these kinds of things, don't we? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: wiki template pages pertaining to current release version
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:52:30AM -0400, Jonathan Nalley wrote: Pardon my severe ignorance on the history and role of these pages, but is there a formal or informal plan for someone in Marketing or some other wiki-Gardener type person to update the Template:FedoraVersionNumber page[1] on release day? Looking at the history of that page, it seems to always get done I was just curious if there was a plan to update such pages and if someone was already tasked with it ?? --- [1]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:FedoraVersionNumber Great question Jonathan. Previously I always did it at the time of GA release. Around the time when the F13 announcement was released, I visited the appropriate wiki pages for editing: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:FedoraVersionNumber https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:FedoraVersionName Note that each needs to be edited to include up to Fedora (next+2), that is, Fedora 16 in the case of Fedora 14 release. I have no problem doing it for this release. This should probably be part of a release day SOP, either in Websites, Infrastructure, or Marketing. I would recommend contacting those other teams to see if either thinks they have this particular ball. If not, it's fair game for a Marketing release day SOP if the team's interested in making one. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
One page release notes status
In yesterday's meeting[1] I told Robyn I'd post to the list with a status update for one-page release notes. You can find the F14 one page release notes (predictably!) ;-) here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_one_page_release_notes We've certainly made some progress in the last 24 hours, thanks to all those that helped. However, we could still use some additional work on this page. Here are some of the tasks that need to be done, and we need your help (attention, lurkers!) to finish them! * Information in the desktop section. Here's what Robyn and I wrote in yesterday's meeting minutes about what to add here: # IDEA: screenshot of a web browser, evolution client, and empathy (rbergeron, 20:23:21) # IDEA: Desktop: Central focus -- you can get instant access to all your favorite tools through the Web, email, and messaging -- stable as a rock and full of features (stickster, 20:24:09) There may not be an enormous number of new productivity user feature in F14 but the Desktop remains completely solid in this release -- a place where people can really get done all the things they care about. So, the text there needs to be written, and a screenshot made. * Screenshots for sysadmin and developer sections. Use your imagination for these. For example, do we have a way to screenshot making a Fedora 14 instance on EC2? (Even a Fedora 13 instance would be OK, if the screenshot isn't so large as to be glaring about the difference.) Another example for the developer section might be a window shot of the GDB 'heap' command. * Get more photos into the layout. Robyn indicated a bunch of these had been picked out from recent FUDCons so we could share them with the community in the one page release notes. This is one of the best features of the document IMHO! * If needed, produce a PDF. This might take some work from someone in Design, taking page elements and putting them in Scribus or something else to produce a beautiful front-and-back handout. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Release announcement
I talked to Jared yesterday and he confirmed he'll help to finish the community release announcement[1] for F14 GA, and the Red Hat press release that goes out day-and-date. * * * [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_announcement -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
[Fwd: Fedora used in demoing 10Gbps fiber to the premise]
Here's an interesting little clip that the Marketing folks might be interested in. Would it be worth denting this? Paul - Forwarded message from Bill Nottingham - Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:51:41 -0400 From: Bill Nottingham To: marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Fedora used in demoing 10Gbps fiber to the premise http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/28/verizon-fios-field-trial-introduces-xg-pon2-to-the-lexicon-show/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99sRhMdJqqI It's not mentioned by name, but you can see it's what they're using on the PCs in the demo. Bill - End forwarded message - -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Red Hat press blog entry for F14!
http://press.redhat.com/2010/10/28/fedora-14-dives-deeply-into-memory-debugging/ Hot off the presses -- status senders, get... er, statusing! ;-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
One-two punch
Hi Marketeers, FYI, we'll be having a one-two punch on the Red Hat press blog today. There will be a story coming out this afternoon, that Robyn put together to talk about Cloud SIG work. We realized that pushing this off to Friday might make it less prominent. At the same time we didn't want to crowd the Tuesday launch of F14 with a Monday story. Leaving Monday empty is kind of like taking a deep breath before the big shout for Fedora 14 GA. :-) So stay tuned to see the next story later today! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Marketing Meeting Minutes (MMM) 2010-11-02
Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2010-11-02/fedora_marketing.2010-11-02-20.02.html Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2010-11-02/fedora_marketing.2010-11-02-20.02.txt Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2010-11-02/fedora_marketing.2010-11-02-20.02.log.html Meeting summary --- * Roll call! (stickster, 20:02:25) * LINK: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2010-10-26/fedora_marketing.2010-10-26-20.00.html -- notes from last meeting (stickster, 20:05:00) * Action item review (stickster, 20:05:25) * Looks like everything on the list was done. That doesn't mean one page release notes are entirely done, but we did make some big steps. Announcement was finished and released as well! (stickster, 20:05:46) * One page release notes (stickster, 20:06:00) * ACTION: stickster Complete first paragraph of Desktop section of one page release notes by end of this meeting (stickster, 20:08:43) * We also need a banner completed for the page (stickster, 20:09:03) * IDEA: Get photo from slide 4 of http://fedoraproject.org and incorporate into above SVG to produce a finished banner (stickster, 20:10:59) * ACTION: stickster Post to list with idea on finishing the F14 one page release notes banner (stickster, 20:12:57) * F14 release! WOO! (stickster, 20:13:06) * Thanks to ke4zvu3 for keeping on top of our identi.ca/Twitter feeds and providing notices for release, replies, etc. (stickster, 20:23:53) * Tracking and replying to F14 articles (stickster, 20:25:44) * Reminder: Be courteous and helpful in replies to articles and reviews. It's much easier to catch flies with honey than with vinegar. Assume best intentions, and let writers know where they can get more information. (stickster, 20:26:44) * All other business (AOB) - open floor (stickster, 20:30:51) * stickster completes thoughts at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_one_page_release_notes#Desktop_Users (hopefully) (stickster, 20:38:59) Meeting ended at 21:02:58 UTC. Action Items * stickster Complete first paragraph of Desktop section of one page release notes by end of this meeting * stickster Post to list with idea on finishing the F14 one page release notes banner Action Items, by person --- * stickster * stickster Complete first paragraph of Desktop section of one page release notes by end of this meeting * stickster Post to list with idea on finishing the F14 one page release notes banner * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --- * stickster (54) * ke4qqq (17) * ke4zvu3 (13) * MarkDude (7) * zodbot (6) * jsmith (2) * yn1v (1) * rbergeron (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Idea for one page release notes banner
There is an SVG available (created by the fabulous Maria Leandro) here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F13-releasenotes-banner.svg I bet that, if someone combined that template with the photo found on slide 4 of the top banner on http://fedoraproject.org/ and updated the release number to 14, you'd have a stupendous banner for our one page release notes page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_one_page_release_notes Anyone up for that challenge? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: [Design-team] Idea for one page release notes banner
On Wed, Nov 03, 2010 at 07:22:58PM +0100, Jef van Schendel wrote: 2010/11/3 Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com I love it. Convert that puppy to a PNG at about 700px width, upload it to the wiki, and link it from the one page release notes page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_one_page_release_notes Done and done. http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/temp/F14-releasenotes-banner.png https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-releasenotes-banner.png Fantastic work, *kudos*. Great googly-moogly, but I love the Design team! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Fedora meetup in the Silicon Valley this Tuesday Nov 9, 2010
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 12:25:29PM -0800, Beth Lynn Eicher wrote: Hello Folks, The Large Installation System Administrators conference (LISA) in San Jose, CA this Tuesday November 9. Here the conference provides free function space to discuss topics of interest to system administrators as Birds of A Feather (BOF) sessions. I have secured a room for Fedora at 9 pm. At this meeting, we will celebrate F14, encourage sysadmins to try Fedora, discuss Fedora Features of interest to sysadmins, offer on-site Fedora installation assistance, recruit contributors, and chat about how Fedora is being used in the wild. The nature of BOF meetings is usually informal and adhoc. If you would like to stop down, offer advice, or assist remotely, please add stuff to the wiki... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LISA10 Great idea for a meetup, Beth Lynn. If possible, we'd love to see a blog post with photos of the session. Hope it's an enjoyable time for everyone. If your blog's carried on the planet, perhaps a post there would be in order to capture attention from other LISA attendees or area denizens? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Linux Action Show F14 Review
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 07:04:28AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 2:50 AM, Charles Kerr It hasn't... but, since I was listening anyway, here's my summary of their constructive criticism: [Thanks for doing this. I did listen to it but didn't have the time earlier to respond to the points made. CC'ed the folks doing the show] * Even during a slow release cycle (as everyone's preparing for GNOME 3), it's still important to have something interesting to sell users on the release. F14 had libjpeg-turbo, D, and openstep, but it didn't have a hook. Yeah. We don't have many end user facing features this cycle but I agree the announcement could have highlighted more features that we have and cover the listed features in more details. Not many people are aware of libjpeg stagnant state and it's impact (bugs, lacklustre performance etc) on all the consumers (image viewers, vnc etc) for example. I did that for the last three releases or so but didn't find time this cycle and I don't think we did a good job with the announcement this time. The release notes does cover more details as well as the one page release notes but a good announcement is important anyway. The feature list for this was somewhat lighter than previous releases, but that seems inevitable when you consider that a significant number of the brand-spanking-new-code features -- not all, but many -- come from Red Hat engineers. Those engineers were also (probably understandably) carrying a heavy burden during this development period with a little product called Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6. :-) Also, since the GNOME 3 release was pushed back, a big slate of the upstream features with desktop user appeal that go with it also were deferred. This isn't to say that we want each Fedora release during the period before a RHEL release to dip in the number of features. At some point, even a successful and profitable company like Red Hat does have resource constraints too, though. The nice thing about a feature process equally open to the entire community is that Red Hat's internal priorities aren't an exclusive limiter on the feature listing for a given Fedora release. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Breaking up schedule items: Feature Profiles
The Marketing team schedule is part of the overall Fedora Project schedule. Line 13 on the Marketing schedule, Feature profiles, could probably stand to be broken up. Typically schedule items work best when they are actionable items -- people know what they mean in terms of activity, and just as importantly when they are finished. Jared suggested in the meeting breaking up the line like this: * Decide on number and topics of feature profiles * Set feature profile schedule * plan feature profile format (blogs / videos) * Feature Profile 1 due * Feature Profile 2 due * Feature Profile 3 due The only minor adjustment I'd make to this is bullet 2. We actually want to set a preliminary feature profile schedule now, and only adjust later if necessary. That way the schedule is as complete as we can make it, as early as possible. I'd simply call this confirm instead of set. Feature profiles are probably most useful if the topics are set up in coordination with Red Hat PR, so we can get extra boost from releasing the news in a variety of venues including the Red Hat press blog. Jared, can you compare the time available for Feature profiles (March 1st-29th) to any PR schedule that you're working out with Kara Schiltz, and figure out how the tasks above would best mesh with that PR schedule? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: FWN reader survey
On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 11:24:36AM -0500, Mel Chua wrote: I would welcome your feedback between now and next Wednesday, when I would like to include the survey with the next issue of FWN. The survey looks good to my untrained eyes - I like that you included the completion time and the names of everyone working on FWN... will probably need to do a lot of blogging/IRC-pinging/personal contacts to get folks to take the survey, but the survey itself is good stuff. The two Fedora-Marketing-esque folks I can think of with formal survey design experience are Robyn and Diana (although I think some Red Hat Marketing folks also hang out here?) so if they have a moment, their feedback will probably be better than mine... forwarding to Diana since I don't know if she's on this list, and I know Robyn is (obviously) ;-) I am thinking we'll be safe to purchase 500 responses for US$35. I think we would be wildly successful if we got that many responses. We could also go with 250 responses, for $13 less, but the incremental cost seems minimal between 250 and 500 responses. As a Fedora community member, this seems extremely reasonable to me. As one of the people with a Red Hat credit card authorized to use it for Fedora budget, this also seems extremely reasonable to me. Rock on. If you want, Pascal, Jared or I can forward a survey link to the internal Red Hat all-employees list where we forward each week's FWN. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Microblogging
We currently have a microblogging capability through HootSuite/Ping.fm that connects to Identi.ca, which in turn feeds Twitter. We started using HootSuite because it offered the ability to share access to the @fedora feed without sharing a passphrase, which would be non-optimal from a security standpoint. However, according to the HS site, we will no longer be able to share team access to the feed. They are moving to a pay-to-play model for any team functions. This was a risk we assumed in using HS, but mitigating it is very simple, as we knew going in. Therefore, I'm going to distribute the passphrase for the Identi.ca @fedora account (to which the Twitter account is hooked) via GPG encrypted email to the team members listed on the wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Status_and_microblogging_SOP If I can't find a GPG key for you, I won't be able to distribute to you via this email, but you can get in touch so we can remedy that. (I'll have to require some sort of verification in that case, like a key signature by someone trusted.) If anyone has better ideas, please let me know. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Microblogging
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:18:55AM -0600, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone has better ideas, please let me know. Just curious... has anyone filed this as a bug with the StatusNet folks? (That it doesn't support groups, etc.?) Or ... just tried to add the feature? I created a issue here; http://status.net/open-source/issues/2947 Had the same problem when with openSUSE, so I think a lot of groups would want this kind of access without having to rely on a 3rd party piece of software -- particularly proprietary software. Nicely done, Zonker -- you identified and fixed a bug in my brain! :-) (The one that prevented me from seeing this as something SN might want to provide for everyone.) Sometimes my internal don't be a PITA filter is set too high and squelches out worthwhile bugs/RFE's to file. The fact that HS and its ilk exist tells me this is a worthwhile feature. The remaining question is whether SN is interested in implementing it! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: EPEL6 announcement feedback
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 08:32:50AM -0800, Christopher Aillon wrote: On 01/18/2011 04:54 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 03:36:17PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 04:00:51 +0530 Rahul Sundarammethe...@gmail.com wrote: I would suggest: EPEL 6 packages is a complimentary and compatible add-on repository and provides additional packages for RHEL 6 or compatible rebuilds and does not replace any RHEL 6 packages. EPEL is a community project maintained and supported by volunteers (via bugzilla and mailing lists) as part of the Fedora Project and is not commercially supported by Red Hat. Sounds good to me. :) Englishy wordsmithing: The collection of EPEL 6 packages is a complementary and compatible add-on repository for RHEL 6 or compatible rebuilds. It provides additional packages and does not replace any RHEL 6 packages. EPEL is a community project, maintained and supported by volunteers via Bugzilla and mailing lists. It is part of the Fedora Project and is not commercially supported by Red Hat. We should use supplementary instead of complementary. There's a subtle difference in the meanings: the former connotes that a thing is additional to the whole, whereas the latter connotes that the whole is not complete without the thing. Just so -- tip of the fedora to you for catching that! Also, Red Hat, Inc.? +0.5, at least. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Social networking is dead.
OK, not really, but I got your attention. But our social networking feeds are kinda dead. More specifically, our identi.ca/Twitter @fedora output. They're silent, like a ninja only without nunchucks or throwing stars. In large part this is thanks to HootSuite's closing up their entire value prop to paid customers only, leaving free accounts like ours dangling in the wind. What's that? Putting some of our eggs in a non-free basket didn't work out? Well, it's a risk we took with eyes open, at least. It was the least ineffective of a lot of suboptimal alternatives, and at least for a while it was working well. The sad fallout is that our identi.ca/twitter feeds are quiet, and we should endeavor to fix that. I did have an idea about this, but it won't help us in the short term: to manage access to our identi.ca feed through Insight via a well-supported Drupal module. There are a couple to choose from, and the great thing is all the group access would happen automagically thanks to our existing FAS integration. But... that doesn't help us *right now*. AFAICT, there are no free services that facilitate team sharing of identi.ca/twitter duties. There are several aggregators out there, and several multiplexers, but none for collaboration. Rather than wait for one to emerge, we should get the access into the right people's hands now, and look for a better solution immediately after that (up to and including the idea above). The fastest way to fix the problem, I believe, is to simply send out the password to the identi.ca account, via GPG-encrypted email, to each of the people listed in our FAS group. Is that acceptable? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Social networking is dead.
On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 04:49:08PM -0500, Jan Wildeboer wrote: Try following and redenting those in the Fedoraverse. Lots and lots of stuff. Lots and lots of stuff != good quality stuff. For instance, we should not be blindly following !fedora (group tag) and catching up every random person's gripes in our timeline. We should be *watching* that group and responding with help, but that's something that every person in the Fedora community has an incentive to do, not just the small group of people creating a stream of official Fedora marketing stuff on @fedora. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Social networking is dead.
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 09:39:08AM +0530, Hiemanshu Sharma wrote: On 02-Mar-2011, at 2:52 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: OK, not really, but I got your attention. But our social networking feeds are kinda dead. More specifically, our identi.ca/Twitter @fedora output. They're silent, like a ninja only without nunchucks or throwing stars. In large part this is thanks to HootSuite's closing up their entire value prop to paid customers only, leaving free accounts like ours dangling in the wind. What's that? Putting some of our eggs in a non-free basket didn't work out? Well, it's a risk we took with eyes open, at least. It was the least ineffective of a lot of suboptimal alternatives, and at least for a while it was working well. The sad fallout is that our identi.ca/twitter feeds are quiet, and we should endeavor to fix that. I did have an idea about this, but it won't help us in the short term: to manage access to our identi.ca feed through Insight via a well-supported Drupal module. There are a couple to choose from, and the great thing is all the group access would happen automagically thanks to our existing FAS integration. But... that doesn't help us *right now*. AFAICT, there are no free services that facilitate team sharing of identi.ca/twitter duties. There are several aggregators out there, and several multiplexers, but none for collaboration. Rather than wait for one to emerge, we should get the access into the right people's hands now, and look for a better solution immediately after that (up to and including the idea above). The fastest way to fix the problem, I believe, is to simply send out the password to the identi.ca account, via GPG-encrypted email, to each of the people listed in our FAS group. Is that acceptable? Hey, Some time ago I wrote a script to update my twitter account from the CLI (using python and the python-twitter library), it also has basic functions like search, follow, etc. I can edit it and add identi.ca support to it as well (a very trivial change in api call) so it can be used by you, and updates both the accounts at one time, and also you can still remain free (It was released as GPLv3). It's hosted in my github account here : https://github.com/hiemanshu/Tweeter -H P.S. : There is no GUI for it, I started writing one but stopped because there were already too many GUI clients out there This sounds like a great tool! However, it seems to provide the same features as many other clients (GUI, CLI, addons for other apps). It doesn't really address our current situation, which is that we can't share access to a single account without just shipping a passphrase around, nor can we generate any useful (?) metrics of how the account's being used or consumed. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Social networking is dead.
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 10:40:29AM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 04:49:08PM -0500, Jan Wildeboer wrote: Try following and redenting those in the Fedoraverse. Lots and lots of stuff. Lots and lots of stuff != good quality stuff. For instance, we should not be blindly following !fedora (group tag) and catching up every random person's gripes in our timeline. We should be *watching* that group and responding with help, but that's something that every person in the Fedora community has an incentive to do, not just the small group of people creating a stream of official Fedora marketing stuff on @fedora. Forgot to note -- I do agree with the redenting bit also. When HS was available to us, we often did so, and should continue to do so. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Social networking is dead.
On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 02:30:21PM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote: On 03/01/2011 02:22 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: OK, not really, but I got your attention. Yes, you did ;) But our social networking feeds are kinda dead. More specifically, our identi.ca/Twitter @fedora output. They're silent, like a ninja only without nunchucks or throwing stars. In large part this is thanks to HootSuite's closing up their entire value prop to paid customers only, leaving free accounts like ours dangling in the wind. What's that? Putting some of our eggs in a non-free basket didn't work out? Well, it's a risk we took with eyes open, at least. It was the least ineffective of a lot of suboptimal alternatives, and at least for a while it was working well. The sad fallout is that our identi.ca/twitter feeds are quiet, and we should endeavor to fix that. I did have an idea about this, but it won't help us in the short term: to manage access to our identi.ca feed through Insight via a well-supported Drupal module. There are a couple to choose from, and the great thing is all the group access would happen automagically thanks to our existing FAS integration. But... that doesn't help us *right now*. AFAICT, there are no free services that facilitate team sharing of identi.ca/twitter duties. There are several aggregators out there, and several multiplexers, but none for collaboration. Rather than wait for one to emerge, we should get the access into the right people's hands now, and look for a better solution immediately after that (up to and including the idea above). The fastest way to fix the problem, I believe, is to simply send out the password to the identi.ca account, via GPG-encrypted email, to each of the people listed in our FAS group. Is that acceptable? I think that's perfectly acceptable. The question is: What do we have as a plan going forward as far as what we want to start saying there? Or, at this point, is anything acceptable, so long as we're seeing something happening? I've sent the password on to all the people on the HS list for whom I had reliable email and GPG keys (Maria, Jared, Robyn, Jonathan). If anyone else wants access, you're welcome to become part of the team and work with those folks. Robyn, there is a microblogging SOP already written on the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Status_and_microblogging_SOP I would recommend that anyone who wants to help should read the entire page, since it includes information on microblogging target audience, suggested items, things to be avoided, and even some examples of content. The feed should be a constantly positive stream of information -- not ignoring issues, but striving to present factual information in a helpful and positive manner. Questions about the plan going forward? Well, you guys were at the same Marketing FAD I was at... what do *YOU* want to do? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Social networking is dead.
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 04:51:22PM +0100, Fabian A. Scherschel wrote: Oh, yeah, I know that. Sorry. What I was trying to say was that we shouldn't neglect microblogging because I think it could be a very good PR resource for us. Sorry if I was unclear In that case... +2! The archives will show you what we were doing before, and what broke down. Basically, we accepted a risk in using an outside service to help power a team-based approach to microblogging. The service went away for all intents and purposes, so I've simply shipped out the password for the account to a number of people on the team so they can agree on and share the load for doing this work, according to the SOP. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Social networking is dead.
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 06:18:01PM +0100, Fabian A. Scherschel wrote: On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Luke Slater tinmach...@gmail.com wrote: The lack of microblogging was more down to the technical difficulties we were having trying to find an alternative to HootSuite's collaboration services, I think. I'm liking the idea of using a Drupal module with FAS integration - How long will it take to get something like that in place? This lack of a collaboration feature is certainly a niche in the market ... Have we looked into if Status.net is offering anything like that? Maybe an enterprise feature but Evan is a cool guy and might give us a community account... As I think was mentioned before on this list... http://status.net/open-source/issues/2947 Archives can be useful, I suggest you take a look at some of the previous discussions we've had regarding microblogging... I recall there were quite a few of them! :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: fedora-logo and fedora-themes discussions
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 04:38:29PM +0200, Aleksandra Bookwar wrote: My point is: every user of current Gnome 3 installs gnome-tweak-tool. Instead of closing your eyes on this fact and saying things like if they want to brake their desktop, we don't care as Gnome developers do, we have to admit this fact. It is happening right now here in Fedora 15. It sounds like you're basing this assertion on your own preferences. I installed this tool to see what it did after reading your previous messages on the Design list, and hadn't used it previously. I also removed it when I was done because I didn't find it useful. Note I'm not saying it *isn't* useful to some people. But asserting universals without any proof isn't going to give your argument more weight. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Red Hat Summit/JBossWorld -- Register now! http://.theredhatsummit.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: fedora-logo and fedora-themes discussions
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 05:52:35PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 04/15/2011 05:38 PM, Aleksandra Bookwar wrote: And i am asking the leaders of Fedora community and people responsible for release of F15 first of all to admit that customizing the gnome-desktop is the real and important problem which needs some solution. Not the something these stupid users always cry about, the real one, which affects the Fedora future. The real problem is the Desktop/Gnome/RHDT guys seem to be on a mission to destroy the Fedora identity: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2011-April/004265.html That's not what I get out of that message at all. In fact, Matthias clearly states the intention is not Fedora specific. Let's not use this list as yet another place to carry on bashing people, when we should be observing the principles espoused by KDE, GNOME, and other FOSS communities: Assume good intentions. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Red Hat Summit/JBossWorld -- Register now! http://.theredhatsummit.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: fedora-logo and fedora-themes discussions
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 04:24:56PM +0200, Fabian A. Scherschel wrote: On Apr 15, 2011 6:08 PM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 05:52:35PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 04/15/2011 05:38 PM, Aleksandra Bookwar wrote: And i am asking the leaders of Fedora community and people responsible for release of F15 first of all to admit that customizing the gnome-desktop is the real and important problem which needs some solution. Not the something these stupid users always cry about, the real one, which affects the Fedora future. The real problem is the Desktop/Gnome/RHDT guys seem to be on a mission to destroy the Fedora identity: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2011-April/004265.html That's not what I get out of that message at all. In fact, Matthias clearly states the intention is not Fedora specific. Let's not use this list as yet another place to carry on bashing people, when we should be observing the principles espoused by KDE, GNOME, and other FOSS communities: Assume good intentions. Totally agree with Nicu on this. If you want to construe constructive criticism as bashing people, there's nothing to be done about that, I guess. It does make me sad, though. I can't figure out how saying people are on a mission to destroy is constructive. Apparently you and I have very different definitions, but c'est la vie. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Red Hat Summit/JBossWorld -- Register now! http://.theredhatsummit.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Fedora Insight SOP for Marketing team
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 06:38:00AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote: Seeking feedback. I've created an SOP for Marketing folks on how to utilize Fedora Insight for promoting blog posts and creating original content (or moving existing content from a wiki, such as a Feature Profile, to a more publishing-friendly, timely environment). https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_Marketing_SOP Let me know what you think! (Including whether or not the processes I've laid out work / make sense when reading... :D) Under Purpose and Guidelinese, I would propose using something like the SOP guidelines for microblogging, because our target audience for Insight is convergent with the microblogging audience: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Status_and_microblogging_SOP#Messages -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Red Hat Summit/JBossWorld -- Register now! http://.theredhatsummit.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Please help for Fedora Chinese Group verification on Chinese local twitter at sina.com
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 09:44:21PM +0800, Haowei.Lee wrote: Hi all, I am Haowei.Lee,Chinese ambassador and chief administrator of Fedora Chinese community. Now I am responsible for our Fedora Chinese site(www.fedora-zh.org). I am paying effort to promote our Fedora Chinese User Group and our site for promotion of Fedora in our China. These days, as I have seen there are more and more Chinese people keeping focusing on the launching of Fedora 15, I also found that there are so many people who focusing on Fedora also keep active on Chinese twitter of Sina.com. That is why I went to register an account for our Fedora Chinese. Local Chinese twitter on Sina.com has gathered more than millions of Chinese people from different kinds of fields. It is the most famous Chinese local twitter site. Everyone here could go to see that site with typing http://t.sina.com.cn Now, the problem I met is that I need to show one document or a introduction letter to verification Dept.of Sina twitter that our Fedora Chinese User Group and our site is under the lead of official Fedora project(say in another way is that we are a official group of Chinese support maintain). By this, we can pass their verification and get the symbol V on our Sina twitter account which means that this Sina twitter account had been confirmed by Sina official and it is true. Additionally, the Sina twitter account with symbol V will attract more fans to come and focus their news. I am looking forward that if anyone here could help me to provide such document to help us pass the verification of Sina twitter. Thank you very much for helping our Fedora promotion work. Please reply or contact me (cnblue#fedoraproject.org) ASAP if you can help.Thanks all of you again. Address of our Sina twitter: http://t.sina.com.cn/fzug No need to cc: me on email here, Haowei, since I don't make unilateral decisions on Marketing. :-) But thank you for posting, and to answer your question... I believe there's a potential trademark issue here, assuming you would want to use the Fedora name and trademarks to identify the site. I believe that's the origin of the Sina request. They want to ensure that the use of the Fedora name is officially sanctioned by the Fedora Project itself. These trademark matters are handled by our Fedora Legal team. From what I can see the minimum requirements would be: (1) Check that this effort has been discussed and agreed by Chinese Ambassadors. There's no reason to doubt this has happened, but a reference would be helpful. (2) A trademark license agreement, as held by other domain owners that use the trademarks similarly. Jared, is this email sufficient to start those wheels rolling? Or should this be forwarded to the legal list or advisory-board? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Red Hat Summit/JBossWorld -- Register now! http://.theredhatsummit.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Final F15 release announcement
I noticed this morning that the final announcement page is blank: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_announcement The previous release's final announcement page is found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_announcement I mentioned this on IRC and Rahul Sundaram said he would work on the F15 final announcement. In recent releases (since F12 or F13) we've tried to keep the final announcement basically in sync with the text provided to Red Hat's corporate communications staff for the official press release they send on release day. Adam Williamson had brought this excellent idea to Marketing some time ago from his Mandriva experience and we adopted it as well. :-) Jared should make sure those two texts are properly aligned -- usually there's a lag of about one business day, so Red Hat Legal can check and approve outgoing PR text. So I encourage you guys to collaborate on the output to maintain that alignment. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Red Hat Summit/JBossWorld -- Register now! http://.theredhatsummit.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Quick interview idea for someone looking for an interesting marketing task (skysurvey.org)
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:43:15AM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Hi, Mike Bonnet pointed this out to me this weekend: http://skysurvey.org This site has gorgeous interactive maps of the stars, and was created using Fedora and the Gimp. An interview with Nick Risinger, who created the site, might make for a great Fedora case study / could even be posted on the user interviews section of www.fedoraproject.org. Just a quick marketing idea! And a good one at that! :-) We have a bunch of people hanging out on the list for whom this would be a very easy and fun task. Anyone game? If you're looking for an example of an interview on the wiki currently, here are a couple: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NetworkManager_in_Fedora_13 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/LennartPoettering http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_on_EC2 -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Red Hat Summit/JBossWorld -- Register now! http://.theredhatsummit.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Old HootSuite account
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 03:24:19PM +0200, Jan Wildeboer wrote: On 06/27/2011 03:22 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: Someone would have to write the support for brdcst.it to support shared/multiple logins. Are you guys volunteering? Not really. brdcst can use any RSS/Atom as source and broadcast it to multiple destinations. So would be sufficient to have one single combined feed IMHO. So if we have an RSS feed supplied with limited length messages (140 chars), we could make brdcst.it work? That would be cool -- and possibly something we could do with Insight. Any suggestions for what we do about answering questions or comments via dent/tweet to our various @fedora accounts? Replies to those typically go to the single service involved. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Statistics on BitTorrent
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics#BitTorrent The statistics for BitTorrent downloads are affected by several issues: * When changes are made on the BitTorrent server such as a restart in some situations, we lose available totals. This happened in September 2009 for instance. * The numbers represent only statistics from our tracker and connected trackers. * They haven't been updated since April 2011. I feel like when people visit this section they don't feel confident about the data we're providing there, and that may reduce their confidence in the page overall. Is there any plan for maintaining these numbers? If not, I would recommend removing them. This wouldn't preclude Jared or anyone in the community coming up with different or additional ways to make measurements. I'm merely interested in making people as confident as possible about the accuracy and timeliness of the measurements we do make. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: About identity
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 12:50:14PM -0500, Tom Callaway wrote: On 01/10/2012 10:37 AM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote: Am 09.01.2012 13:03, schrieb Misha Shnurapet: There's something out on the Internet called 8tracks [1]. Its logo, colors and font closely resemble those of Fedora. [1] http://market.android.com/details?id=com.e8tracks Yeah, saw that some days ago too. Maybe Red Hat Legal should have a look at it and contact those guys. Several people forwarded Misha's post to me for review, and I informed Red Hat Legal, but they agree it is not a trademark concern as is. If you have anything that you think might be a Legal concern or issue for Fedora, please feel free to send it to le...@fedoraproject.org. Thanks for reviewing this quickly! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
H-Online article: New Fedora Project Leader announced
http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/New-Fedora-Project-Leader-announced-142.html Note that paragraph 2 states the Fedora Board selected Jared Smith previously, which is inaccurate. The Board is consulted regarding FPL appointments, but Red Hat is ultimately responsible for selecting the FPL as this is a paid staff position. I sent a polite correction to the site, and hopefully they'll either print that, or update the article. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: The Inquirier on F17
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 08:29:30AM +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro wrote: But I think we all agree the linked article is really bad written and it would he useful to help those news sources to improve their reporting. In addition, I'd love to hear some sort of official word about the Fedora project serves as the proving ground for new features that eventually end up in the firm's Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) operating system part. I mean, is this a concept Red Hat is actively marketing? If so, as an ambassador I'd love to know it because I am constantly fighting against this Fedora is a beta (or worse) level package and its users are just Red Hat's guinea pigs attitude in press, blogs and users of other distros. If that's not true, it would be really useful to have some words from a @redhat spokesperson to back a different point of view on the Red Hat/Fedora relationship There's a big difference between Fedora is a beta and users are guinea pigs, and Fedora is a place where *any contributor* can work on new technical features and put them in front of millions of users as part of a free and open source software development process. Red Hat is only part of our community and we've had plenty of other contributors over the years put new software into the distribution for people to use. Being the proving ground for new technology that might be in a future RHEL release is only one function of the Fedora Project. Of course that function is quite important to Red Hat, and a reason why Red Hat continues to put substantail resources into Fedora. But it's not the only thing the Fedora Project does, and as you know lots of contributors have their own reasons to participate as well. Another way to think about it is like this... Any dedicated contributor has the potential to contribute features and technology to integrate into Fedora the distribution, just like Red Hat does. It just so happens that Red Hat dedicates people, time, and money to that creation and integration effort, and as a result each release has lots of innovative new features. As the Fedora community (and indeed the wider FOSS community) essentially elects the best stuff over time, Red Hat can use that crowd wisdom to help decide what pieces make the most sense for its enterprise product. Any other contributor can do the same thing, at whatever scale makes sense for them. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: The Inquirier on F17
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 02:22:05PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 05/31/2012 12:39 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 08:29:30AM +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Nicu Buculeinicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro wrote: But I think we all agree the linked article is really bad written and it would he useful to help those news sources to improve their reporting. In addition, I'd love to hear some sort of official word about the Fedora project serves as the proving ground for new features that eventually end up in the firm's Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) operating system part. I mean, is this a concept Red Hat is actively marketing? If so, as an ambassador I'd love to know it because I am constantly fighting against this Fedora is a beta (or worse) level package and its users are just Red Hat's guinea pigs attitude in press, blogs and users of other distros. If that's not true, it would be really useful to have some words from a @redhat spokesperson to back a different point of view on the Red Hat/Fedora relationship There's a big difference between Fedora is a beta and users are guinea pigs, and Fedora is a place where *any contributor* can work on new technical features and put them in front of millions of users as part of a free and open source software development process. Red Hat is only part of our community and we've had plenty of other contributors over the years put new software into the distribution for people to use. Being the proving ground for new technology that might be in a future RHEL release is only one function of the Fedora Project. Of course that function is quite important to Red Hat, and a reason why Red Hat continues to put substantail resources into Fedora. But it's not the only thing the Fedora Project does, and as you know lots of contributors have their own reasons to participate as well. Here we come to one of the core issues of Red Hat vs The Fedora community as in we ( the community ) do not view RHEL release being one function of the Fedora Project. Red Hat people who contribute to Fedora are community too. There's not a dividing line with the community on one side, and Red Hat on the other. We have some community members who are volunteers, some who work for Red Hat, some who do paid work for other companies, etc. Red Hat certainly believes it to be one of the function the project however we ( the community ) certainly don't nor should we as an project allow any sponsor Red Hat or otherwise have any influence either directly or indirectly of the project and it's direction. Community members all have influence over the project, and that doesn't exclude members who work for Red Hat. Another way to think about it is like this... Any dedicated contributor has the potential to contribute features and technology to integrate into Fedora the distribution, just like Red Hat does. It just so happens that Red Hat dedicates people, time, and money to that creation and integration effort, and as a result each release has lots of innovative new features. So in essence here you say that all innovation that happen in the project is all thanks to Red Hat and the community members time is worthless compared to the time and money Red Hat sponsor the project with. No, this is not what I said. I said Any dedicated contributor can do this. Any many do. I mentioned features that Red Hat creates specifically, but I did not exclude those created by people not at Red Hat. Please don't twist my words. I would say that the above is a rather interesting response from a former project leader then again if memory serves me correct you actually did call Fedora Beta in one of the Red Hat summit during you time as our project leader so I cant say that I'm surprised by this. [...snip...] I don't remember saying any such thing, so apparently our memories differ. If someone can show me where I did, I'll gladly own up to it as a mistake, though, because that's not what I believe. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: The Inquirier on F17
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 02:03:19AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 05/31/2012 03:27 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: Red Hat people who contribute to Fedora are community too. There's not a dividing line with the community on one side, and Red Hat on the other. I beg the differ for one example from within our community why does Red Hat feel the need to appoint four members on the board if all members of the community are considered equal Red Hat or otherwise? Since the FPL has appointed three of those seats to volunteers and only one to someone who's a Red Hat employee, I'm not sure how this is relevant. Looking at the Board history for those seats[1] one can see half the appointments since mid-2008 have been volunteers. Also of note is the fact that half the people elected by the community since that time have also been volunteers. So the appointments don't look slanted toward Red Hat employees AFAICT, which is just as intended. We can agree to disagree on your overall point, that's fine. I just wanted to point out the facts don't support an effort to stack the Board with Red Hat people. * * * [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/History -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: The Inquirier on F17
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 01:06:28PM -0500, inode0 wrote: On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: Let me try to rephrase this so you better understand what I'm getting at... Why does Red Hat reserve four seats on the board for itself to appoint to whomever it chooses? Red Hat used to reserve five and released one to the elected pool when Paul was the FPL iirc. Right, that was something I changed during my FPL time. I have in the fairly recent past asked for consideration of shifting two additional appointed seats to the elected pool and/or considering the appointment process to either be done by the Board or a combination of the Board and the FPL. Generally the appointment process has been done with the involvement of the Board anyway as I understand it. I don't think very much would change either way in the end. Very often two of the appointments have been candidates who missed being elected by one spot. But regardless of who makes the final appointment decision people will like it when they like it and disapprove when they don't. Making either of the changes above might move the blame assigned to the community though which would be a benefit to Red Hat. The FPL individually is accountable for making appointments. One of the reasons we have appointments, in my opinion, is to make sure the FPL has the authority and opportunity to reach outside a usual suspects group to identify and include leaders that might not otherwise be elected. I feel the FPL should use appointments to bring different perspectives to the Board, and/or include people with useful experience that helps the Fedora Project reach specific goals over the coming year. I can't speak for Robyn, obviously, but I see Garrett Holmstrom as a possible recent example. His experience in the cloud area will undoubtedly help inform larger project work that keeps Fedora relevant in a cloud-centric environment. Since I can speak for myself, I would use Dimitris Glezos (of Indifex) as an example, bringing an international perspective, as well as I18n/L10n experience, to a Board that I felt was very North American-centric. What gives Red Hat the right to do so against the community? I don't think it is against the community. There are arguably good reasons for appointed seats, one example being to keep some balance in the Board's experience and skills that could be lacking if all seats were elected. For those who agree a partially elected and partially appointed Board is a good thing then it is just a question of how best to arrange the details. I imagine in the beginning it was easiest to get started by giving the appointments to the FPL and it has worked well enough that only a minor change was made a few years ago. This is a good explanation. I'd also reiterate that against the community is not supported by the fact that (1) the Fedora community has chosen to elect quite a few Red Hat employees, and (2) the FPL continues to appoint quite a few non-Red Hat employees, over the Board's history. When I was the FPL, having appointments afforded me flexibility in finding people I thought lent the Board extra credibility and insight -- but I always took care that these appointed people supported the Project's mission and values, thus making them with the community, not against it. I think other FPLs have all done the same and I've never had a quibble with an appointment. I try to remember meritocracy and democracy are not identical. Like many people who've been in a leadership position in a meritocratic community (as Fedora strives to be), I struggle with the idea that elections run the risk of becoming popularity contests. This doesn't mean appointments should be used to install unpopular people; rather, they support meritocracy by expanding the experience and capability of the Board in line with the project's mission and values. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Red Hat Releases Fedora 18 Beta
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:28:04PM -0600, inode0 wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: Any reason why our own marketing community cant start creating and maintaining our own extensive database of contacts so on and so forth and we simply stop dealing with/through Red Hat PR or any other third party or sponsor? One guess: no one so far thinks it is worth their time to duplicate the work already being done by a sponsor who is willing to let us leverage the work they do continuously. [...snip...] There is cachet that comes from Red Hat's involvement here which is valuable to journalists as well, i.e. a symbiotic relationship. Unfortunately that sometimes results in an error, but overall this has been getting steadily better over the last several years. Does anyone know if the Red Hat PR person who was assisting in this case (I'm sorry, stuck in an interface without access to name right now) hangs out on this mailing list? I wonder if the tenor of this conversation at numerous points would have been inhospitable to a newcomer. I also hope this person knows we all make mistakes from time to time and the good effort deserves notice. I'm drawn once again to the community tenet Assume good intentions. Have we done that? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Identi.ca converting to pump.io on 1 June 2013
I received this email today for my identi.ca account: On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 10:39:41AM -0400, Identica wrote: Dear Identica user, The Identi.ca social network service will be moving to a new software platform on June 1, 2013. * Active accounts will be converted automatically to the new platform. If you are getting this email, it means your account is active. You don't have to do anything further. * Accounts that have not been used in more than a year will not be converted. If you have friends or people you like on Identi.ca that you think should keep being users, please let them know how to upgrade. * More info is available at http://identi.ca/doc/pumpio My goal for Identi.ca has always been to build a network of federated social sites. This change will be a big step towards that goal. I hope you're as excited as I am. Thanks for your continuing support of Identi.ca. I figured the Marketing team would want to see how this might affect the @fedora account on Identi.ca and make appropriate plans. IIRC access to that account is shared with several people on the team. -- Paul -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Identi.ca converting to pump.io on 1 June 2013
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 01:23:19PM -0400, Ruth Suehle wrote: - Original Message - | * Active accounts will be converted automatically to the new |platform. If you are getting this email, it means your account is |active. You don't have to do anything further. This is interesting, as I have accounts that meet that criterion but didn't get the email! | I figured the Marketing team would want to see how this might affect | the @fedora account on Identi.ca and make appropriate plans. IIRC | access to that account is shared with several people on the team. Looks like your email address is associated with the @fedora account, so I assume you got it for that, meaning we should migrate and be good to go! Bonzer. :-) Just wanted to make sure no one missed the migration. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Fwd: Fedora Magazine Mailing list created
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 01:53:31PM -0500, Joe Brockmeier wrote: On 08/23/2013 01:43 PM, zacharias.mitze...@gmail.com wrote: And also byfollowing the default is open method, that's why we decided to make a mailing list on our own, to discuss about any issues on the magazine with all the users. And we don't limit the discussions to bugs on the magazine only, but to bring all discussions regarding the magazine on this list. And we also want our visitors (and developers ofc) to communicate with us (stuff) in a way. And not having them contacting the marketing list ;) I don't understand the problem with contacting the marketing list. Can you perhaps make it clear to me how magazine-related discussions are not marketing-related and why they should be separate? I don't think that making this list is a too much. And needless to say that any major changes on the magazine will be forwarded on the marketing list so everyone can comment(eg. Fedora calendar). We don't want to separate the magazine from the marketing team. ;) I'm not talking only about major changes, though - I'm talking about any general discussion. The magazine should be a core part of the marketing effort, IMHO. Having it require two lists seems counter-intuitive to that. PS: the idea was discussed on our weekly meeting and no one disagreed with that. Unfortunately, I was unable to make the meeting due to being in new hire orientation, or I would have disagreed. This is one of the reasons I like Apache's approach of taking decisions on the mailing list and having a 72-hour window to discuss things... by default, there's always someone who can't make a meeting due to time zone issues, work commitments, etc. Right, another crucial part of default to open. At least give a nominal time for people not attending to voice support, concerns, etc. before a decision. At the same time, establish a deadline so in the absence of feedback, things can move forward without stalling. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: A story worth publishing? Paul Frields returns to Fedora as the Fedora Engineering Manager
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 09:47:32AM -0600, Pete Travis wrote: On 11/01/2013 09:00 AM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 06:29:41AM -0700, Chris A. Roberts wrote: Ankur, +1 I think this would be an awesome post for the Magazine :) Do you have an account on the site? CC'ing Paul. Maybe he has thoughts to add? Best, jzb I think this is a *great* starting point for an article. Paul is a very likable guy, and I'm sure an article featuring him would garner some of that popularity as well. *Please* don't just copy and paste his mail to the community into a Magazine post. There's a story here about Paul and his history with the community, the history of his new position, the thoughts of his new subordinates, the impact on the project, and whatever I didn't think of. We should be treating these mailing list posts as sources in the journalistic sense, not as sources of content to be piped verbatim into wordpress. /rant Hi guys! Thanks for the kind words. I'd be happy to participate if I can manage against some other deadlines. If someone wants to pull together some questions and send them to me, I can definitely answer that way, interview-style, if that's how you guys would like to see this. Do you have other ideas? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Additional authoring for Magazine
Hi all, I'm returning a bit at a time to Fedora after a long stretch of other work. I found and read the information on the Magazine starting at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Magazine and I'm interested in helping. I think it will soon be possible for me to make the weekly meetings if they're still on. Is someone able to help me with credentials so I can help plan, write, or curate? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Flock: media coverage
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 06:56:08PM +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote: Joe Brockmeier píše v Út 22. 07. 2014 v 11:33 -0500: On 07/22/2014 11:26 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: Hi, I'd like to ask if someone would be willing to cover Flock 2014 from the media point of view: * writing articles from each day for Fedora Magazine, * make interviews with interesting speakers/attendees, * taking photos and publishing them online, * perhaps recording some videos. This is very important for our PR and for making Flock sound. It'd be great if we were able to publish something already during the conference. I'd like to help with this, but I'm a bit afraid that I will have too many hats on since I'm also a speaker and organizer. Yo. Also, I hope we'll have some summary articles from folks who are having travel covered. But I can do some daily articles, etc. I expect event reports from sponsored people, too, but it's not the kind of media coverage I had in mind. They usually come late and only target the community (those who follow Planet Fedora or read the blogs directly). [...snip...] Has someone made that requirement clear to sponsored attendees already? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Best Fedora Mag day ever!
Thursday's posts generated the biggest day of traffic ever for the Fedora Magazine -- over 6500 views! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Duplicate post
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 09:44:14AM -0400, Ryan Lerch wrote: Hi all, I had been posting a few of stephen Gallagher's posts on the magazine (with his permission) But it seems that someone posted the same content as a new post here today http://fedoramagazine.org/evolving-the-fedora-updates-process/ As the one I posted here yesterday: http://fedoramagazine.org/bodhi-2-update-management-infrastructure-to-land-after-fedora-21-release/ Any reason not to unpublish the one posted later without a featured image? None that I can see. Can we redirect that URL back to the desired post? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Best Fedora Mag day ever!
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 01:30:30PM +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote: Paul W. Frields píše v So 09. 08. 2014 v 10:24 +0200: Thursday's posts generated the biggest day of traffic ever for the Fedora Magazine -- over 6500 views! Yes! BTW when you look at the daily views you see two waves: the first, smaller one is GUADEC and the second, bigger is Flock. Looks like covering open source events that are related to Fedora brings a lot of attention. It's also quite interesting to check sources of traffic. Reddit is #1. Google+ #2 and if we tweet about Fedora Magazine Twitter also generates a lot of traffic, we just don't post as much as on G+ there. Facebook only generates 10 percent of what G+ does. Not sure if we can do much about it. There are a few things we could do, given those numbers. Obviously we don't want to astroturf Reddit[1]. But we could certainly check to make sure we have good consistency with Twitter, G+, and Facebook. If we're quite consistent, and one or two of those services really sticks out, we should double down on using it to get word out. I also noticed that our posts on desktop technology, like Wayland and Christian Schaller's Workstation talk, generated the bulk of hits. I'd say we should try to keep that drumbeat going over time, as we work on integration of desktop features in Fedora. Clearly, despite people insisting desktop is over, people are interested. ;-) * * * [1] Full disclosure: I'm one of the last FOSS people around who doesn't do anything with, or know much about, Reddit. But I assume one doesn't just post self-serving things there? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: FAS Group information
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 07:12:17PM +0200, Zoltan Hoppar wrote: Hi Chris and everybody, Fedora People storage wouldn't be good? It's public, yet not perfect. I think the best would be to pull up a complete site, what we can call Fedora $Whatnot, so flyers and printable banners, press kit, and so on - a suggested kit would be available for every ambassador. As you know I am mentoring too, and currently I can't give anything to the new ambassadors, that we can say that dude, you are allowed to use these for events. There was also a nice tradition called Personal event box - and that would be also a nice touch if we got a hub. Furthermore: I am jealous to the Firefox mozzila press site - https://blog.mozilla.org/press/kits/ Not only because they are solved in a single hub to have press kit, press center, else - they added requests for specific event speakers, media library (altough we have also video team, and some materials), it would be great to have this I believe the design team uses a shared store on Fedora People with pretty good results. If I recall correctly it's world readable but only people in the group can add or rearrange materials there. Consult with Sirko or Máirín for more info. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Calendar notices to list?
Do Marketing team members want notices from Fedocal[1] coming to the list? They're piling up weekly in the moderation queue, so it would be good to instate a rule to do the right thing. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Calendar notices to list?
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:57:31AM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote: - Original Message - Do Marketing team members want notices from Fedocal[1] coming to the list? They're piling up weekly in the moderation queue, so it would be good to instate a rule to do the right thing. Yes. I am not sure who has moderation privileges for the list. From https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing (see bottom of page) -- the owners are me, Robyn, and Ruth. Happy to add other folks as desired and spread the load. I've moderated the waiting messages through, and put in a filter rule which I *think* will let the others come in without opening the door to spam. We'll find out next week if it works right. ;-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Calendar notices to list?
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 09:05:22PM +0300, Zacharias Mitzelos wrote: Fell free to add me if there is an empty spot. I'm also cleaning up once in a while the moderation queue in the magazine list Added Joe and Zacharias to the administators. I'll send you guys the password separately under GnuPG cover. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 01:14:46PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 10:09:01PM +0530, beta tester wrote: +1 to this i fully agree with amita we should not limit people to any flavour otherwise we are not supporting the spread of fedora. This isn't a question of limiting people. Also, calling this a limit is illogical. If you are planning to run a server, we can safely assume you are connected to a network, and that you're capable of downloading an image. So you don't need to be handed a physical disc in order to make one. It's a question of what we spend our limited money on to actively promote, as well as our limited time and availability, and the limited time in which we can get a given audience to listen to us. That doesn't mean that we _have_ to focus that promotion, but the basic strategy here is that if we do, we can get _really good returns_ in a particular area, rather than poor returns across the board. Then, in the long run, that can spill out to actual broader success across the board. +1. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 02:47:30PM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: - Original Message - On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:20:21AM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: How many USB 8 gb sticks could we order with that money (the 1750?)? And how instead of giving it away we went to a 'earn the fob by sharing or helping someone else' system? At some non-Fedora-focussed conferences I've been at, people we clearly very excited about the USB stick because OOOH FREE USB STICK. I'm interested in your earn by helping idea -- how would that work? If we went to bigger, more expensive USB media, it *would* be nice to make sure people are not taking them just to reformat without caring about Fedora at all. Maybe we can create machine like OpenSUSE studio - stand, you put *your* flash drive to the machine, select what product you want to upload to you flash drive, while uploading, show some nice presentation about Fedora etc. And it can also burn media :). It could be cheap now to create such device, just some manual work would be required to create nice box. I recall such a device being present at LinuxTag about 5 years ago. However, I also seem to recall it, and the booth, being overwhelmed by people wanting to take advantage of it. In some sense that's a good problem to have (would we?); in another larger sense, lots of dissatisfied people. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Fedora Magazine Maintenance
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 03:30:39PM -0400, Chris Roberts wrote: Hey Everyone, Saturday night around 1AM-2AM I will be doing some maintenance to the Fedora Magazine, I will make all the changes I need to make and then restart the instance. I expect the downtime to only be around 15 minutes, although while I am doing things the site may appear slow. When: 9-6-14 1AM-2AM Who: All users Why: To clean up the database some more, update some things with the way backups are handled and investigate why Askimet is starting to not catch alot of the comments. Also do a full sync of the site to the staging instance since this has not been done in a while. If anyone has any questions, reach out to me. I was going to do this after Flock but being sick has pushed it back as I catch up on things. Thanks for your efforts on the Magazine site, Chris! It's good to have you back. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Proposal -- fortnightly magazine meeting
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 03:58:19PM -0400, Ryan Lerch wrote: Hi all, Just wondering what people think about a fortnightly meeting specially dedicatied to the magazine, where we can pitch and discuss ideas for posts on the magazine. Obviously not all articles on the mag would come from such a meeting (ie the ones that are more newsy and are written when something is announced) I would love to participate in this meeting, since I'd like to broaden my Magazine participation as well. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Some suggestions for Marketing notes for FW 21
On Tue, Sep 09, 2014 at 09:46:07AM -0400, Christian Schaller wrote: Hi everyone, Here are some draft notes I prepared to try to help our marketing team build up some release notes and press material on the Fedora Workstation release. Already sent it to the Working Group members, but I thought I send it out to these two lists for further review and suggestions. I took a shot at revising Christian's notes, using the feedback from the thread thus far. With this revision I tried to reduce the level of formality, the amount of technical terminology, and overall sentence length and complexity. I also introduced some bullet points where I felt it made the text more readable. I also renamed the Software tool here to App Catalog because the ease of the tool does remind me of e.g. a retail store catalog. Presented here for your (most welcome!) slings and arrows: * * * The Fedora Workstation is a new take on desktop development from the Fedora Community. Our goal is to pick the best components, and integrate and polish them. This work results in a more polished and targeted product than you've previously seen from the Fedora desktop. We want our desktop operating system to solve your problems, not be your problem. Easy access to all your software The cornerstone of the Fedora Workstation is the App Catalog, which lets you find all kinds of applications quickly and easily. The improvements to the App Catalog in Fedora 21 provide a responsive and fast user experience. In addition, Fedora packagers have worked with developers around the world to greatly improve the number of featured applications. Improvements to the Terminal application We want developers to have a great experience, so a strong Terminal application is absolutely important. We've integrated a set of additional features in the Terminal, such as: * Support for transparent backgrounds * Automatic title updates to help you identify different terminals * A simple toggle for system keybindings in both the Terminal and GNOME desktop overview to help you search for Terminals by name Experimental Wayland Support Wayland is a new and exciting technology that will power Linux desktops of the future. With Fedora Workstation 21 you can visit the future now, and see how well your applications work with Wayland. You can also experiment with making your applications take advantage of Wayland's new capabilities. Much of the core Wayland development comes from Fedora Workstation contributors, so this is your chance to try out Wayland straight from the source. Developer Assistant We recognize developers need an easy and straightforward way to set up many different programming environments. In Fedora Workstation, we offer the Developer Assistant, which takes care of this setup for a large number of language runtimes and IDEs. And now, thanks to its integration with new Fedora Software Collections, multiple versions of different languages are available to suit your needs. Ease of installation We want the installation of the Fedora Workstation to be as straightforward and simple as possible. In Fedora Workstation we've distilled this process down to selecting the layout of your physical media, and then pressing Install. (In fact, you can even let the installer choose the disk layout for you.) And because the future of installations is not optical disks, we ship with an easy to use tool to help you create bootable USB sticks. Toolkit integration We recognize you have a job to do, and you want to use the tools that let you get it done. That's why we've been working hard to make all your applications in Fedora Workstation look and feel the same. From the new theming for Qt to the ability to run HTML5 web services in a chromeless window, we want all your apps to feel like a natural extension to your desktop. Support for extremely high resolution displays (HiDPI) Technology never stands still, and as a software developer you're used to using the best technology available. So we've spent a lot of time and effort on supporting the new generation of HiDPI displays. That's probably why Fedora has been called the best of HiDPI. Exciting roadmap This Fedora Workstation release is not the end. It's the beginning of a new era for Fedora on the desktop. We have a roadmap lined up to bring a range of exciting new technologies to the Linux desktop: * Containers * Smarter virtual machines * Better development tools * More web integration * ...and much more So if you want to be part of the future of the Linux desktop be sure to get on board now! * * * -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Proposal -- fortnightly magazine meeting
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 01:04:00PM -0400, Ryan Lerch wrote: On 09/11/2014 12:26 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: On 09/11/2014 09:15 AM, Ryan Lerch wrote: Just going to throw a time out here -- what do people think of UTC 1400 - UTC1500 as a time of day for a meeting? We can pick any day really. That's 9 a.m. my time, so - kinda works. I have a lot of meetings from 8 a.m. to 11 a.m. depending on the day of week, but I can usually keep an eyeball on IRC if I'm at the desk. I'm fine with the idea of a meeting, but I'd also note - there's nothing to stop people from pitching ideas on the mailing list 24/7. No nothing at all, except we rarely get pitches on the list even though it is known that it happens this way. The idea of a standalone meeting is to hopefully get people to collate a few thoughts, then get them to pitch them as ideas in the brainstorm session. Maybe not the way a traditional pitch works. How about we set up a trial time, see how it goes, and fold back in with the regular Marketing meeting if it's not long or energetic enough to demand a separate session? (And reconsider that periodically as needed, seeing as how it might start off robust and then flatten later.) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: distributing Fedora-sponsored magazines - what's the plan?
Since Rikki's on the OSAS team, I think we can safely assume OSAS wants the Fedora community to make a plan here. ;-) What about working with key regional coordinators on the Ambassadors team, so Rikki (or someone) would only have to ship these to a few places for wider distribution? Paul On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 08:18:28PM -0400, Chris Roberts wrote: I did not know these even existed, I am sure we can get them to our NA ambassadors very easy. Is OSAS planning to do anything with them, or are they for us to give to ambassadors. I don't want to start figuring out what to do with them, if they are for OSAS. - Chris Roberts - Original Message - From: Rikki Endsley rends...@redhat.com To: Fedora Marketing team marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 6:46:14 PM Subject: distributing Fedora-sponsored magazines - what's the plan? Greetings, Do we have a plan in place to make sure the 2k Fedora-sponsored print magazines (w/Fedora 20 DVD) in the Raleigh office are distributed to Fedora booths? If not...what's the plan to make the plan? Rikki Endsley | Community Evangelist Open Source and Standards (OSAS), Red Hat http://community.redhat.com/ Twitter: @redhatopen | @rikkiends -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Some suggestions for Marketing notes for FW 21
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 03:15:01AM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: - Original Message - - Original Message - On Tue, Sep 09, 2014 at 09:46:07AM -0400, Christian Schaller wrote: Hi everyone, Here are some draft notes I prepared to try to help our marketing team build up some release notes and press material on the Fedora Workstation release. Already sent it to the Working Group members, but I thought I send it out to these two lists for further review and suggestions. I took a shot at revising Christian's notes, using the feedback from the thread thus far. With this revision I tried to reduce the level of formality, the amount of technical terminology, and overall sentence length and complexity. I also introduced some bullet points where I felt it made the text more readable. I also renamed the Software tool here to App Catalog because the ease of the tool does remind me of e.g. a retail store catalog. Hi Paul, thanks - as we're now Go for Fedora 21 Alpha, please move it to the announcement wiki. For Alpha, I'd probably limit the scope of WS notes a bit, not to create a huge document nobody reads and add more details for final release. As we plan for final release to have own page for all products. Ideally on Monday, so then we can prepare text formatted version to be announced on Tuesday morning US time. I forgot to link wiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F21_Alpha_release_announcement I understood these longer notes were intended for final release. Maybe the WG members can confirm, and I'll fix/post as needed. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: distributing Fedora-sponsored magazines - what's the plan?
Something which may not have been obvious was that these magazines are extremely heavy and sitting on pallets. I think that's the reason we were thinking of doing a few shipments to large events. Also, since the magazines include Fedora 20 we want them to get out while they're still current. So the sooner the events are happening, the more effective the magazines will be. Paul On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 11:59:49AM -0400, Chris Roberts wrote: I dont know how it would work for Fedora, but there is Red Hat interoffice mail we could use to get some of the magazines to Latam, Emea. As far as events here we can ship some to each of the ambassadors, like 1 you keep for events and then a few extras for people at the events to have. - Chris Roberts - Original Message - From: Zacharias Mitzelos zacharias.mitze...@gmail.com To: marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:35:26 PM Subject: Re: distributing Fedora-sponsored magazines - what's the plan? I would propose to distribute them the same way we distributed the Fedora 10 years anniversary T-Shirt to contributors. A person collected the addresses of the contributors (in this case the event organizers) and then forwarded the addresses to the office that was handling the shipping. We could ship a large quantity (if this eliminates some costs) to the Brno Red Hat office, so the Brno office can handle the shipping to EMEA countries. That way we could ensure that even smaller events could get some samples, instead of shipping only to large events. Thoughts or further comments? Zacharias On 19/09/2014 05:06 μμ, Rikki Endsley wrote: Forgot to add - GHC is expecting 8k attendees this year (doubled from last year). http://gracehopper.org/news/2014-grace-hopper-celebration-achieves-record-registration-expands-capacity/ I'll be there on a press pass and will help at the RH booth some. - Original Message - From: Paul Frields sticks...@gmail.com To: Fedora Marketing team marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:41:12 PM Subject: Re: distributing Fedora-sponsored magazines - what's the plan? One solution would be to ship them to a few key, very large events. According to the Events, page there are two very large events coming up in October: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY15_Q3_.28Sept_2014_-_Nov_2014.29 Grace Hopper Celebration - October 8-11 (Ambassador seems to be User:open -- Not sure if this means no one's covering, or someone with username open is.) :-) Ohio Linux Fest - October 24-26 (Ambassador contact: Andrew Ward) Between them, probably 3-5K attendees. There's no further calendar entries, but I imagine there might be at least one more large event in Q4 to which to ship? On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Rikki Endsley rends...@redhat.com wrote: I will say that the magazines are HEAVY and I think they arrived on a pallet (not individual boxes), so shipping to a location and then to other locations could get spendy. - Original Message - From: Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com To: marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:48:42 PM Subject: Re: distributing Fedora-sponsored magazines - what's the plan? Since Rikki's on the OSAS team, I think we can safely assume OSAS wants the Fedora community to make a plan here. ;-) What about working with key regional coordinators on the Ambassadors team, so Rikki (or someone) would only have to ship these to a few places for wider distribution? Paul On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 08:18:28PM -0400, Chris Roberts wrote: I did not know these even existed, I am sure we can get them to our NA ambassadors very easy. Is OSAS planning to do anything with them, or are they for us to give to ambassadors. I don't want to start figuring out what to do with them, if they are for OSAS. - Chris Roberts - Original Message - From: Rikki Endsley rends...@redhat.com To: Fedora Marketing team marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 6:46:14 PM Subject: distributing Fedora-sponsored magazines - what's the plan? Greetings, Do we have a plan in place to make sure the 2k Fedora-sponsored print magazines (w/Fedora 20 DVD) in the Raleigh office are distributed to Fedora booths? If not...what's the plan to make the plan? Rikki Endsley | Community Evangelist Open Source and Standards (OSAS), Red Hat http://community.redhat.com/ Twitter: @redhatopen | @rikkiends -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https
Re: Proposal -- fortnightly magazine meeting
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 05:50:07PM -0500, Joe Brockmeier wrote: On 09/16/2014 03:37 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: How about we set up a trial time, see how it goes, and fold back in with the regular Marketing meeting if it's not long or energetic enough to demand a separate session? (And reconsider that periodically as needed, seeing as how it might start off robust and then flatten later.) +1 That sounds like the best way to go. Ryan, how about we set this up for next week? If needed you could translate this to http://whenisgood.net to see what day people can do at the proposed 1400-1500UTC time. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: anyone got any articles in the wings?
On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 03:17:17PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: The magazine looks sad when it's two 5tFTW posts in a row. :) We have this now too: http://fedoramagazine.org/netflix-streaming-comes-to-chrome-for-fedora/ Maybe Rikki or someone with access to Fedora's Facebook and Twitter could echo this out? Seems to be ramping up in general Linux news today. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: anyone got any articles in the wings?
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 03:06:07PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:03:29PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: I've no qualms about having this kind of opinion piece. I did want to say that I think Fedora Magazine on the whole should retain a user-centric slant, and not get too focused on internal community issues. Hmmm. I agree, but... we also need a central focus for running things that are about internal community issues. I am working on some stuff about project objectives (as part of the new fedora council), and I can do it as mailing list posts but I'd really like it to be more... blog posty, with discussion to follow. I can set up my own personal FPL blog, but... I'm historically terrible at that whereas it turns out to be easier for me to be _part_ of something, if that makes sense. And, it would kind of be nice to have a central place for things which _are_ more internal. The Fedora Council seems like a good example — a general overview makes a good user-focused article, but details beyond that are probably more interesting to contributors, and the elections articles (like the interviews we were talking about) are _meant_ for contributors. I know Ryan was talking about wanting to reduce the number of categories. What if we made it just two, for user-focused and contributor-focused articles? Maybe keeping 5tFTW as a separate thing which covers both — or, possibly splitting that into two separate posts, one for each category (and probably removing the 5 from both, because speaking from experience 10 total would be crazy). I like this idea. Let me see if I understand it: If you hit the site blindly (http://fm.o) you'd see the general user feed (e.g. For Users). There'd be some way to choose For Contributors and you could see that stuff too. Is that accurate? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: nice first impressions review of F21 Workstation Alpha
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 08:33:00PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: http://www.linuxadvocates.com/2014/10/fedora-21-alpha-workstation-impressions.html I spread this to the 'Fedora - Linux' Facebook group. Could we get this on Twitter @fedora and G+? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Redoing the categories [was Re: anyone got any articles in the wings?]
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 08:39:05AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:38:38AM +0300, Zacharias Mitzelos wrote: * Workstation * Cloud * Server * Community * This Week I think those will cover most of the possible content we will generate. also, are we intending for posts to be in just one of these categories? or 1 to many of these categories? I was thinking just one. With your scheme, I think there would be a lot of fits in several buckets. Not necessarily bad I was also thinking that we'd make For Users the front page; with your idea, maybe it'd fit more to have the front just show one big featured article every few days (full article), plus prominent (graphical) links to the other categories (maybe with the latest articles in those down a sidebar?) I dunno, you're the designer. :) Would it make sense to have categories in WP to delineate between Workstation, Cloud, and Server content but still keep it all in one place under Users? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Fudcon Managua Post
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 09:47:55AM -0600, William Moreno wrote: Thanks for all the feedback :) We are exactly one week of the event, do you believe the post may be released today? I just made some minor grammar and style fixes. I think it's ready to be released. I pinged on #fedora-mktg but if I don't see any objections in the next hour or two, I can publish it. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Fudcon Managua Post
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 09:05:31AM -0600, William Moreno wrote: Thanks to all for the feedback and review :) Ryan, sorry I didn't see your post earlier, but I did publish this as I think we all agreed. :-) Nice work William! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
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Hi, There seem to be a bunch of messages to the list owners recently, from people who may be unwittingly or even maliciously subscribed to this marketing@ list. If you are one of these people, please look at the bottom of this message. It contains a link to a page where you can change your subscription, including unsubscribing. If you want to be unsubscribed, use this link. This is usually easier and more effective than emailing the list owners. End of public service announcement. :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org List info or to change your subscription: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: An Idea
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 01:04:20AM -0500, Bill Wood wrote: While browsing around github, I somehow ended up at http://www.unixstickers.com/ and noticed that they have some really neat stickers and shirts and the such (mugs, posters, pins, et cetera) for various distros. I figured I'd search and see if any of our stuff is in there, and the search came up empty. Would this be a thing to look into? Or do we already have this avenue covered some other way? We don't have to use this site, especially if we're still looking at doing the Fedora store (some emails came through in September about it), but I figured it would be a neat thing to look into doing. I figured it would be nice to let users get badging and things for their machines and the such, assuming we don't already have this sort of thing and I'm just unaware of it. Just dropping it by you guys to see what you think about this sort of thing. I can't tell what differentiates this from the Fedora store being worked on already (as you mentioned): https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/8 -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org List info or to change your subscription: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: New in beta to highlight?
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 01:21:36PM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote: Hi all, Any big new features/changes in the beta we should be highlighting in the beta announcement? Please let me know ASAP and I'll incorporate them. Or - edit boldly! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F21_Beta_release_announcement I just noticed this didn't reach the Workstation WG because their list is actually desktop@lists-fp-o. Workstation folks, have at it! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org List info or to change your subscription: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Fedora-sponsored specials: All Things Open
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:36:39AM -0500, inode0 wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Rikki Endsley rends...@redhat.com wrote: Is it too late to distribute these at registration or other common areas at the event? I would seriously consider sending all or most of them to LISA. Once F21 is released we can still distribute these but they won't have the same appeal. John, What about sending a few hundred sent to SEAGL? That seems like another good event with enough time still for these to arrive. cc'ing lcafiero in case he's interested, since we have a few days still to get them to him if so. I like your idea about LISA. I recall mattdm saying the audience of attendees there (more professionals) tends to have a significant bump in CentOS/RHEL awareness and use. Putting modern Fedora in their hands sounds like a very good idea. Do we need to file a FAMNA ticket or anything else to get this underway? We don't want these magazines to age out while we muse about what to do with them. Rikki, is there someone from OSAS at LISA who would take ownership of the magazines on site, and putting them in attendees' hands at the booth? (2K is a lot of magazines -- it sounds difficult for them to all land at the booth when the show starts.) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org List info or to change your subscription: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Fedora-sponsored specials: All Things Open
(OSAS), Red Hat http://community.redhat.com/ Twitter: @redhatopen | @rikkiends - Original Message - From: Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com To: marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org Cc: Larry Cafiero lcafi...@fedoraproject.org, rends...@redhat.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 1:13:57 PM Subject: Re: Fedora-sponsored specials: All Things Open On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:36:39AM -0500, inode0 wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Rikki Endsley rends...@redhat.com wrote: Is it too late to distribute these at registration or other common areas at the event? I would seriously consider sending all or most of them to LISA. Once F21 is released we can still distribute these but they won't have the same appeal. John, What about sending a few hundred sent to SEAGL? That seems like another good event with enough time still for these to arrive. cc'ing lcafiero in case he's interested, since we have a few days still to get them to him if so. I like your idea about LISA. I recall mattdm saying the audience of attendees there (more professionals) tends to have a significant bump in CentOS/RHEL awareness and use. Putting modern Fedora in their hands sounds like a very good idea. Do we need to file a FAMNA ticket or anything else to get this underway? We don't want these magazines to age out while we muse about what to do with them. Rikki, is there someone from OSAS at LISA who would take ownership of the magazines on site, and putting them in attendees' hands at the booth? (2K is a lot of magazines -- it sounds difficult for them to all land at the booth when the show starts.) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org List info or to change your subscription: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org List info or to change your subscription: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org List info or to change your subscription: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org List info or to change your subscription: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: workstation marketing - hardware
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 04:42:09PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: On 10/22/2014 03:30 PM, Andreas Nilsson wrote: Out of the Lenovo's, only the Yoga Pro 2 [1] looks visually appealing enough to make Fedora shine, with the downside that another distro owns orange (this is from a purely visual point of view, as the Lenovos are nice to work with, but that's another thing). Another issue with that is that it comes with a big windows logo on the front. I have the Thinkpad Yoga... very similar look (no orange, smoother chassis) but we could edit out the windows button. http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-convertible-thinkpad-yoga-black-laptop-mode-4.jpg On the other hand, the blue Zenbook has the upside that it's blue, and that's a color that is strongly connected with Fedora [2]. I'm not sure if others have been referring to the more common silver model in the thread, but if you can get hold of the blue one, that's a big win, especially if the lightning makes the silver one ending up looking all white. If anybody has one in the Boston area... The Samsung Series 9 might also be a good pick [3] Ray has one of these so I can get a photo of that too. Owen Taylor has a Zenbook, which I believe I saw in a meeting we both attended today. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org List info or to change your subscription: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Is Marketing interested in becoming part of a new Fedora Outreach Steering Committee?
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 08:47:14AM -0500, Joe Brockmeier wrote: On 10/27/2014 08:39 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: If people are generally in favor, I'm thinking we'd start this with the post-F21 elections. I am +1 to FOSCo. FWIW, me too. I think the opportunity to have the Marketing team's work both more visible at the Council level, and also to have it driven or informed by a more comprehensive strategy for Fedora, is something not to be passed up. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org List info or to change your subscription: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Screenshots for Fedora 21?
On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 10:44:02PM -0600, Joe Brockmeier wrote: Hi all, With the beta release imminent, we need to start pulling together screenshots for the final release announcement, etc. Here's the set for the last release: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F20_screenshots_library Page for new screenshots: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F21_screenshots_library Looks like a good start so far! I'm going to add a couple bullets on that page for ideas for additional screenshots, so if someone visits, they can choose to pick off a couple to paste in. Feel free to critique these before I add them: * Selector for Wayland session on GDM login screen * DevAssistant running, perhaps with a terminal alongside showing the environment results * Cockpit running in a browser -- if applicable, another window nearby showing effects * GNOME Photos doing its Picasaweb and/or DNLA thing * (when available) Fedora $PRODUCT branded anaconda installation in progress -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org List info or to change your subscription: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Screenshots for Fedora 21?
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 04:32:14PM -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Tue, 2014-11-04 at 17:05 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: * GNOME Photos doing its Picasaweb and/or DNLA thing We decided to ship Workstation with Shotwell, not Photos, so it's not really a good thing to advertise. That would probably have been worth changing the Beta release announcement too, then, yes? That way we're not highlighting something not shipped in default. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F21_Beta_release_announcement#Fedora_21_Workstation Let's make sure to get this right for Final. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org List info or to change your subscription: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Get Fedora mini-hackfest / meeting
On Fri, Nov 07, 2014 at 08:38:54PM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: I most likely can't do Monday but I will be around Tuesday. Trying to hack on some of the content right now. My understanding is we're only working on getfedora.org content for F21, and the Websites team is delaying any further work on the main fedoraproject.org site until F22 starts, so we have more time to fit the pieces together properly across the domains. The getfedora.org content is a main page, and then the three pages for Workstation, Cloud, and Server at that domain. Is that correct? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org List info or to change your subscription: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Content for getfedora.org, meeting recap
Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2014-11-10/website-content.2014-11-10-19.03.html Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2014-11-10/website-content.2014-11-10-19.03.txt Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2014-11-10/website-content.2014-11-10-19.03.log.html Notable -- Once a draft of strings are finished for the getfedora.org site, we'll pass to Working Groups through their liaisons for feedback. We're aiming to have those in the next 24 hours or so. * * * = #fedora-mktg: website-content = Meeting started by stickster at 19:03:39 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2014-11-10/website-content.2014-11-10-19.03.log.html . Meeting summary --- * Status/plan ahead (stickster, 19:05:44) * Assembling content today -- where? (stickster, 19:18:23) * AGREED: we will use gobby (starting doc is getfedora.org) to continue after this meeting for collaborating on the new websites content, install it! (stickster, 19:23:38) * Working on text -- keep conversation here (stickster, 19:24:10) * LINK: https://jreznik.fedorapeople.org/websites.next/download-page-sample.png (jreznik_, 19:25:47) * LINK: https://jreznik.fedorapeople.org/websites.next/main.png (jreznik_, 19:25:55) * LINK: https://jreznik.fedorapeople.org/websites.next/workstation.png (jreznik_, 19:26:04) * stickster will do stuff for Server today, so we have something to present (stickster, 19:43:40) * ACTION: jzb Finish strings for getfedora.org (cloud related) gf.o/cloud (stickster, 20:35:27) * ACTION: stickster Finish strings for getfedora.org (workstation, server related), gf.o/workstation, gf.o/server (stickster, 20:35:44) * ACTION: ryanlerch Work with robyduck, relrod and mizmo on additional site implementation bits (stickster, 20:36:18) * ACTION: relrod to finish keys page, but mostly just needs Obsolete keys added at this point, I think (relrod, 20:36:57) * For more information, and to help -- visit #fedora-websites and say hello! (stickster, 20:47:20) Meeting ended at 20:47:25 UTC. Action Items * jzb Finish strings for getfedora.org (cloud related) gf.o/cloud * stickster Finish strings for getfedora.org (workstation, server related), gf.o/workstation, gf.o/server * ryanlerch Work with robyduck, relrod and mizmo on additional site implementation bits * relrod to finish keys page, but mostly just needs Obsolete keys added at this point, I think Action Items, by person --- * jzb * jzb Finish strings for getfedora.org (cloud related) gf.o/cloud * relrod * ryanlerch Work with robyduck, relrod and mizmo on additional site implementation bits * relrod to finish keys page, but mostly just needs Obsolete keys added at this point, I think * robyduck * ryanlerch Work with robyduck, relrod and mizmo on additional site implementation bits * ryanlerch * ryanlerch Work with robyduck, relrod and mizmo on additional site implementation bits * stickster * stickster Finish strings for getfedora.org (workstation, server related), gf.o/workstation, gf.o/server * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --- * stickster (127) * robyduck (125) * jzb (30) * jreznik_ (20) * ryanlerch (15) * zodbot (7) * mattnix (6) * mattdm (5) * relrod (5) * jreznik (5) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org List info or to change your subscription: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Media: Red Hat confuses Linux users with latest Fedora moves
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:52:29AM -0700, Scott Dowdle wrote: Rahul, - Original Message - While the Fedora 21 news has been very positive overall, I wanted to highlight one article which makes it clear we need to explain the broader picture of RHEL, CentOS and Fedora with the new product split http://www.infoworld.com/article/2843687/linux/red-hat-fedora-confuses-linux-users.html As far as I can tell Paul Venezia (the guy who wrote that for his The Deep End column) is nothing but a click-bait disinformation spreader. If he misunderstands (and I refused to read that article), then we are probably doing fine. There are two other IT journalists that I can think of that are also in this category but I'm having trouble remembering their names. Probably best not to call them out; our purpose here isn't to diss writers. But your opinion's noted. We should realize no amount of work is going to keep someone from writing what they want to get page views. :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org List info or to change your subscription: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: getfedora.org user testimonials needed for server and cloud
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 10:38:02AM -0600, Joe Brockmeier wrote: On 11/11/2014 10:31 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: So we really need a user testimonial or two for each of server and cloud. I have one for workstation and am working on another, but I'm not sure what to do for server and workstation. Anybody have any ideas on who we can hit up? Semi-cloud. We had a speaker at Flock who talked about Yahoo using containers, and I *think* they were using Fedora-based containers. Not sure how finicky Yahoo is about giving clearance for something like that, but it'd be a good testimonial if we could get it. I talked to #fedora-server folks on IRC. User danofsatx spoke up and said he'd be interested to provide one. I don't know precisely what we're looking for, but he indicated he was a server administrator in his office who is planning to deploy Fedora 21 Server. Langdon also indicated he'd think about whom he might reach as a reference. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org List info or to change your subscription: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
