Re: GNOME Journal Issue 16 - September 2009 Released!

2009-09-18 Thread Jim Hodapp
Whoohoo!!! Thanks Paul. Special thanks goes to Paul Cutler, for writing all 3 articles for this issue! This is issue 16, Paul Cutler edition! :) Jim On 09/09/2009 09:57 AM, Paul Cutler wrote: The GNOME Journal team has released Issue 16 of the GNOME Journal. Issue 16 features three new

Re: Theme for Summit 2009, need everyone's feedback

2009-09-18 Thread Emily Chen
Hi all, Below is the all the candidate themes for GNOME.Asia summit 2009 in Vietnam so far, I cc: to marketing-list@gnome.org to get more ideas. 1. Discover GNOME 3.0 2. Discover GNOME 3. Discover GNOME - Your Accessible Desktop 4. Discover GNOME - The Accessible Desktop 5. Discover GNOME -

Re: Suggestion about providing more value to Foundation members

2009-09-18 Thread Iestyn Pryce
Ar Mer, 2009-09-16 am 11:03 -0600, ysgrifennodd Stormy Peters: On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Brian Cameron brian.came...@sun.com wrote: Stormy: How do we encourage people to write recommendations? Could we do some sort of

Re: Promoting the GNOME amazon store

2009-09-18 Thread Jaap A. Haitsma
Hi, Shall I add to the main gnome page like this http://gnome.haitsma.org/ Jaap On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 23:40, Shane Fagan shanepatrickfa...@ubuntu.com wrote: I didnt know about the gnome amazon store until I heard about it on this list. Its just not visable on the main page of Gnome.org so

Re: Promoting the GNOME amazon store

2009-09-18 Thread Stormy Peters
I don't like having the Amazon logo on our home page. We don't have anyone else's logo there. I am ok with the text and link. Stormy On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Paul Cutler pcut...@gnome.org wrote: +1 from me. Let's get one more from the marketing team before making the change. Paul

Re: Promoting the GNOME amazon store

2009-09-18 Thread Jaap A. Haitsma
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 16:56, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: I don't like having the Amazon logo on our home page. We don't have anyone else's logo there. I am ok with the text and link. I understand maybe somebody with more graphic skills than me can make a nice logo for the GNOME

Re: Software Freedom Day Press Release

2009-09-18 Thread Stormy Peters
I incorporated Paul's feedback and I'm cc'ing the marketing team so we can get some more feedback as this needs to go out tomorrow. (FYI, I won't be online this afternoon so please don't wait for me if you have good feedback or ideas.) We are looking for input and feedback on a GNOME press

Re: Theme for Summit 2009, need everyone's feedback

2009-09-18 Thread Brian Cameron
Emily: How about Discover Accessing Freedom With GNOME - Your Desktop Just joking. Brian 1. Discover GNOME 3.0 2. Discover GNOME 3. Discover GNOME - Your Accessible Desktop 4. Discover GNOME - The Accessible Desktop 5. Discover GNOME - Access Your Desktop 6. Access Your Desktop - Discover

Re: Software Freedom Day Press Release

2009-09-18 Thread Lucas Rocha
Hey, 2009/9/18 Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org: I incorporated Paul's feedback and I'm cc'ing the marketing team so we can get some more feedback as this needs to go out tomorrow. (FYI, I won't be online this afternoon so please don't wait for me if you have good feedback or ideas.) We are

Re: Theme for Summit 2009, need everyone's feedback

2009-09-18 Thread Stormy Peters
I vote for Freedom with GNOME. My second choice would be something with a subtitle. Discover GNOME: Your Free Desktop. I'm not sure I'd use the word accessible in the title. At least in English it's not an easy word to say. And obviously I'd like to defer to people that know the local language

Re: Software Freedom Day Press Release

2009-09-18 Thread Alex Hudson
On 18/09/09 17:22, Lucas Rocha wrote: Can we say it is the default desktop environment in openSUSE? Not sure. AIUI, Enterprise editions of SUSE default to it (at the moment). OpenSUSE itself actually defaults to KDE, albeit only by pre-selecting an option for the user to choose between.

Re: Software Freedom Day Press Release

2009-09-18 Thread Stormy Peters
Let's just drop the openSUSE part. That'll give us a nice round 3. Fedora, Ubuntu and OpenSolaris. Stormy On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Alex Hudson h...@alexhudson.com wrote: On 18/09/09 17:22, Lucas Rocha wrote: Can we say it is the default desktop environment in openSUSE? Not sure.

FSF, terminology, and marketing

2009-09-18 Thread Brian Cameron
Marketing Team: The Free Software Foundation (FSF) encourages the usage of the term GNU/Linux instead of the term Linux, and also discourages referring to free software and licenses as open source. Their argument, which I think is valid, is that doing so helps to highlight free software and

Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

2009-09-18 Thread Shane Fagan
Well I dont think many people outside of FSF care. Its harder to say GNU/Linux and more people simply call it just linux. We should respect the FSF but its not a big deal in my opinion. Its just politics. Regards Shane Fagan On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 17:07 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote: Marketing

Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

2009-09-18 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Freitag, den 18.09.2009, 17:07 -0500 schrieb Brian Cameron: The Free Software Foundation (FSF) encourages the usage of the term GNU/Linux instead of the term Linux, and also discourages referring to free software and licenses as open source. Thoughts? See

Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

2009-09-18 Thread Brian Cameron
Shane: Well I dont think many people outside of FSF care. Its harder to say GNU/Linux and more people simply call it just linux. We should respect the FSF but its not a big deal in my opinion. Its just politics. It may be politics, but within the context of the GNOME marketing-list, there

Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

2009-09-18 Thread Shane Fagan
So then we just use GNU/Linux and Free and Open Source. Its not too hard to do. On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 17:41 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote: Shane: Well I dont think many people outside of FSF care. Its harder to say GNU/Linux and more people simply call it just linux. We should respect the

Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

2009-09-18 Thread Paul Cutler
A couple different thoughts: * The most important thing we can do as marketers is know our audience. While I respect Brian's comment we should be sensitive to politics, it's really dependent on document we're writing and whom it is for. * Most of our marketing is at end users - and for that

Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

2009-09-18 Thread Baris Cicek
Hi Brian; There was a big discussion about GNU/Linux terminology usage in documentation years ago. Here is the starting thread about that discussion: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2006-July/msg00200.html I didn't re-read whole discussion but I remember there wasn't any

Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

2009-09-18 Thread Brian Cameron
Paul: * The most important thing we can do as marketers is know our audience. While I respect Brian's comment we should be sensitive to politics, it's really dependent on document we're writing and whom it is for. Agreed. * Most of our marketing is at end users - and for that reason, I

Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

2009-09-18 Thread Brian Cameron
Baris: There was a big discussion about GNU/Linux terminology usage in documentation years ago. Here is the starting thread about that discussion: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2006-July/msg00200.html I didn't re-read whole discussion but I remember there wasn't any

Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

2009-09-18 Thread Paul Cutler
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Brian Cameron brian.came...@sun.comwrote: Paul: * The most important thing we can do as marketers is know our audience. While I respect Brian's comment we should be sensitive to politics, it's really dependent on document we're writing and whom it is for.

Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

2009-09-18 Thread Brian Cameron
Paul: My point is that we are being asked (or recommended) that we following their naming guidelines. My point is how does the FSF respect GNOME - I am wiling to bet $100 a normal user couldn't find the http://directory.fsf.org/project/gnome/ link - you have to go their searchable database

Re: Theme for Summit 2009, need everyone's feedback

2009-09-18 Thread Stormy Peters
Get Freedom with GNOME? Stormy On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Pockey Lam poc...@beijinglug.org wrote: Dear Stormy, I vote for Freedom with GNOME too, but a minor suggestion, can we add a call for action in the slogan? like Step into Freedom with GNOME? step into maybe a bit long, but

Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

2009-09-18 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
On 9/18/09 3:40 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: Am Freitag, den 18.09.2009, 17:07 -0500 schrieb Brian Cameron: The Free Software Foundation (FSF) encourages the usage of the term GNU/Linux instead of the term Linux, and also discourages referring to free software and licenses as open