I'd be happy to help but I need to be added.
Thanks,
Stormy
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote:
Le lundi 14 juillet 2008, à 13:00 +0200, Olav Vitters a écrit :
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 10:37:06PM +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Yeah, we discussed this with
Luis:
I hate to dump on well-meaning people like those of you on r-t, but
this 3.0 plan is, hands-down, a terrible idea, on a lot of levels, and
Dave's points here- why are we focusing on API? what are we signaling
to users?- begin to highlight why. The fact that the very first
sentence of
That is part of our problem and as far as i have understood other people
also thought about how one could better link bug reports betwen
distribution-gnome bugzilla. But I also think that GNOME does not get
enough direct information from users. I think that let the
distribution handle the
2008/7/18 Thilo Pfennig [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Luis Villa wrote:
In short, I think you're letting minor technical considerations (and
perhaps perceived pressure from KDE?) set out an agenda, rather than
making the user and improvements for the user set the agenda, and I
think that is exactly
Peteris Krisjanis schrieb:
It is needed, no matter how hard it is. Because it is next level -
when we actually start to care what happens after code. Being
proactive about features and problems about them is way forward.
That should be written in stone ;-)
One could try to select a good
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 06:39:57AM +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 18:53 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
PS. I'm still unclear about what opening the big tent means exactly -
does it mean having a number of criteria, and any application meeting
those criteria becomes part
Luis Villa wrote:
In short, I think you're letting minor technical considerations (and
perhaps perceived pressure from KDE?) set out an agenda, rather than
making the user and improvements for the user set the agenda, and I
think that is exactly backwards, screwing us up with users,
I was
Alex Hudson schrieb:
But, here's the thing. I'm not sure 3.0 will come about if people just
wait around for the 'big idea' to kick it off. Stuff like RedHat's
online desktop and things are great, but I would compare that to the
idea of time-based releases. Previously, people would release
Hi,
Dave Neary wrote:
I think we need to wrap this up as like this, and no more:
We're moving to a 6 month/2 year time-based cycle. Our first 2-year
cycle started in March (that means we're now behind schedule! Ouch!)
2 year cycle: Identify big overriding theme - current low-hanging
Hi,
The PNG was too big for the mailing lists - resending with SVG attachment.
Dave.
Dave Neary wrote:
Dave Neary wrote:
I think we need to wrap this up as like this, and no more:
We're moving to a 6 month/2 year time-based cycle. Our first 2-year
cycle started in March (that means we're
Note that initially this was discussed at UDS. I am not sure where I
speak for the whole release team (GUADEC) or just a few. You might get a
few corrections.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 06:55:53PM +0200, Dave Neary wrote:
Luis Villa wrote:
I'm sorry to be so negative, but this is a lousy idea and
Hi,
First reactions, on a quick read:
Please don't put the technical justification API ABI break front
center. Users don't care, and it will be a handicap the next time we
want to bump major versions, even without an API break. Along the same
lines, I'd remove the API/ABI FAQ.
Better to be
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:20 AM, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please don't put the technical justification API ABI break front
center. Users don't care, and it will be a handicap the next time we
want to bump major versions, even without an API break. Along the same
lines, I'd remove
Or to put this in a tighter nutshell:
firefox_developer we're going to rule (again) on mobile with a firefox product
firefox_developer because we're all user-focused
luis that was really my core critique of the GNOME 3.0 proposal
luis it is '3.0 because gtk is 3.0' rather than '3.0 because of
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or to put this in a tighter nutshell:
firefox_developer we're going to rule (again) on mobile with a firefox
product
To be clear, 'rule' here was meant as 'kick ass', not 'have power'.
Luis
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Luis,
Luis Villa wrote:
So, yeah. When we've figured out how to make people tell it's a damn
upgrade, get back to me, until then, calling it 3.0 is a bad idea.
Sorry again for the stop energy, but when I see things plunging off a
cliff, and a huge opportunity wasted, I think it has to be
Hi,
Luis Villa wrote:
I'm sorry to be so negative, but this is a lousy idea and I think that
needs to be said. Do not repeat the mistakes of early 2.0 (before we
got our act together) and KDE 4.0. Be patient; just because Topaz is
unlikely to happen (I agree) is no reason to rush out and
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, Luis, I think you were being a little harsh - GNOME's been lethargic
for so long, you're expecting to see us sprinting, when we're still at
the stage of learning to walk again.
I'm expecting us to walk and *then* talk
Luis Villa wrote:
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, Luis, I think you were being a little harsh - GNOME's been lethargic
for so long, you're expecting to see us sprinting, when we're still at
the stage of learning to walk again.
I'm expecting us to
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 08:33:08AM -0700, Luis Villa wrote:
Or to put this in a tighter nutshell:
firefox_developer we're going to rule (again) on mobile with a firefox
product
firefox_developer because we're all user-focused
luis that was really my core critique of the GNOME 3.0 proposal
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:22:31AM -0700, Luis Villa wrote:
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, Luis, I think you were being a little harsh - GNOME's been lethargic
for so long, you're expecting to see us sprinting, when we're still at
the stage of
Le lundi 14 juillet 2008, à 13:00 +0200, Olav Vitters a écrit :
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 10:37:06PM +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Yeah, we discussed this with Stormy. Definitely something to do.
Also, I think we can start some document for the community, and some
FAQ. Maybe also some slides
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 08:26:47AM -0600, Stormy Peters wrote:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I changed a few things here and there. I think we need some more work,
though, because it's still a bit rough around the edges. Are there some
people in the
Le mardi 15 juillet 2008, à 08:26 -0600, Stormy Peters a écrit :
I'd be happy to help but I need to be added.
Fixed.
Vincent
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Hi,
Vincent Untz wrote:
Le lundi 14 juillet 2008, à 13:00 +0200, Olav Vitters a écrit :
Rough document is at: http://live.gnome.org/GNOME3. I want to add loads
more stuff. The document is currently only readable by r-t members.
I changed a few things here and there. I think we need some
Le mardi 15 juillet 2008, à 16:36 +0200, Dave Neary a écrit :
Hi,
Vincent Untz wrote:
Le lundi 14 juillet 2008, à 13:00 +0200, Olav Vitters a écrit :
Rough document is at: http://live.gnome.org/GNOME3. I want to add loads
more stuff. The document is currently only readable by r-t
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 01:27:52AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 10:37:06PM +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Yeah, we discussed this with Stormy. Definitely something to do.
Also, I think we can start some document for the community, and some
FAQ. Maybe also some slides that
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 10:37:06PM +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Yeah, we discussed this with Stormy. Definitely something to do.
Also, I think we can start some document for the community, and some
FAQ. Maybe also some slides that people can re-use to explain things.
Rough document is at:
Am Montag, den 14.07.2008, 13:00 +0200 schrieb Olav Vitters:
Rough document is at: http://live.gnome.org/GNOME3. I want to add loads
more stuff. The document is currently only readable by r-t members.
There's also http://live.gnome.org/3.0 that redirects to
http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 01:32:50PM +0200, Andre Klapper wrote:
Am Montag, den 14.07.2008, 13:00 +0200 schrieb Olav Vitters:
Rough document is at: http://live.gnome.org/GNOME3. I want to add loads
more stuff. The document is currently only readable by r-t members.
There's also
Hi,
I've already started to see a lot of bullshit about the GNOME 3.0
announcement and I think it would be useful for a GNOME release team
press release announcing our plans for the 3.0 release (date, goals,
over-riding plan) to explain that this is an incremental approach
similar to Ubuntu's (2
Le samedi 12 juillet 2008, à 22:28 +0200, Dave Neary a écrit :
Hi,
I've already started to see a lot of bullshit about the GNOME 3.0
announcement and I think it would be useful for a GNOME release team
press release announcing our plans for the 3.0 release (date, goals,
over-riding plan) to
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 10:37:06PM +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Yeah, we discussed this with Stormy. Definitely something to do.
Also, I think we can start some document for the community, and some
FAQ. Maybe also some slides that people can re-use to explain things.
I won't have a lot of time
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