Re: getting www.gnome3.org

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 15:45, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 15:21, Dave Neary wrote: > >> Jason D. Clinton wrote: >> > Well if Ubuntu has put GNOME 3 out of scope for 11.04, that's not really >> > something that the GNOME community can overcome with a trivial amount of >> >

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 15:21, Dave Neary wrote: > Jason D. Clinton wrote: > > Well if Ubuntu has put GNOME 3 out of scope for 11.04, that's not really > > something that the GNOME community can overcome with a trivial amount of > > effort. > > I've been hearing that Unity doesn't represent a for

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > Jason D. Clinton wrote: > > Well if Ubuntu has put GNOME 3 out of scope for 11.04, that's not really > > something that the GNOME community can overcome with a trivial amount of > > effort. > > I've been hearing that Unity doesn't repre

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

Hi, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > Well if Ubuntu has put GNOME 3 out of scope for 11.04, that's not really > something that the GNOME community can overcome with a trivial amount of > effort. I've been hearing that Unity doesn't represent a fork, that the GNOME session will be exactly the same, just

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

Well if Ubuntu has put GNOME 3 out of scope for 11.04, that's not really something that the GNOME community can overcome with a trivial amount of effort. The message to our users on Ubuntu is basically nothing since they can't get it and won't feel any of the repercussions of transition until at le

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

Thanks for the tip! I was hoping to use it, not just try it, though... Cheers, Dave. Paul Cutler wrote: > See Frederic's email to d-d-l he just posted - he has working live > image off USB. > > Paul > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Dave Neary wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Dave Neary wrote: >>> I u

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

See Frederic's email to d-d-l he just posted - he has working live image off USB. Paul On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > Dave Neary wrote: >> I used [1] on Ubuntu 10.10 and it seems to work fine. >> >>> [1] https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing >>> [2] https:

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

Hi, Dave Neary wrote: > I used [1] on Ubuntu 10.10 and it seems to work fine. > >> [1] https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing >> [2] https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3/+packages > > I'm currently upgrading to 11.04 to get the latest greatest. > So I will be removing ri

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

On 01/11/2011 10:46 AM, Allan Day wrote: Which PPA is that? This one [1], or this one [2]? Did you test it yourself? It would be great to hear from anyone who does have experience of using either of these PPAs... The first, as it includes gnome-shell. I had some issues with running gnome-shell u

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

Hi, Allan Day wrote: > Which PPA is that? This one [1], or this one [2]? Did you test it > yourself? It would be great to hear from anyone who does have experience > of using either of these PPAs... I was going to try [2] until I noticed that (a) it's only available for 11.04 and (b) gnome-shell

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

Andreas Nilsson wrote: > On 01/10/2011 11:17 AM, Allan Day wrote: > > Andreas Nilsson wrote: > > > On 01/04/2011 09:11 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: > > > > We do have gnome3.org and we worked on it at the last marketing > > > > hackfest. At that time, it was really close to launching ... > > > http:/

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

On 01/10/2011 11:17 AM, Allan Day wrote: Andreas Nilsson wrote: On 01/04/2011 09:11 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: We do have gnome3.org and we worked on it at the last marketing hackfest. At that time, it was really close to launching ... http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/gnome3.org/ * GNOME

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

> So, my observations regarding KDE4 on slashdot and other forums are > that users are nuts. KDE 4.0 was released as a "preview release" and > people were bitching constantly about regressions despite whatever was > said about it. Basically, they've decided that if you put 4.0 in > front of it

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

Hi, Allan Day wrote: > * GNOME Shell != GNOME 3. Visually, it's the font, wallpaper, etc, and > there are all the application improvements too. Do we want to include > instructions for just trying GNOME Shell on this page, or for trying the > whole thing? If we go for the former, we should includ

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Lucas Rocha wrote: > Suggestion from a friend of mine (who doesn't speak English): maybe we > should register madeofeasy.org too? > \ > If it is available, then we should do it. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/m

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:17 AM, Allan Day wrote: > Andreas Nilsson wrote: > > On 01/04/2011 09:11 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: > > > We do have gnome3.org and we worked on it at the last marketing > > > hackfest. At that time, it was really close to launching ... > > http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/t

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

Suggestion from a friend of mine (who doesn't speak English): maybe we should register madeofeasy.org too? --lucasr 2011/1/10 Allan Day : > Andreas Nilsson wrote: >> On 01/04/2011 09:11 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: >> > We do have gnome3.org and we worked on it at the last marketing >> > hackfest. A

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

Andreas Nilsson wrote: > On 01/04/2011 09:11 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: > > We do have gnome3.org and we worked on it at the last marketing > > hackfest. At that time, it was really close to launching ... > http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/gnome3.org/ > This design is a bit different from the one

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

You ate a letter: * Dark application themes for when you want to focus on pictures and videos * edesigned workspaces so you can easily organise your windows ^ On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > On 01/10/2011 01:04 AM, Allan Day wrote: >> >> Andreas Nilsson  wrote: >>> >>>

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

On 01/10/2011 01:04 AM, Allan Day wrote: Andreas Nilsson wrote: On 01/04/2011 09:11 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: We do have gnome3.org and we worked on it at the last marketing hackfest. At that time, it was really close to launching ... http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/gnome3.org/ This design

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

On 01/04/2011 09:11 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: We do have gnome3.org and we worked on it at the last marketing hackfest. At that time, it was really close to launching ... http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/gnome3.org/ This design is a bit different from the one I did at the

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

Hi Will, On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 4:37 AM, will kahn-greene wrote: > On 01/06/2011 08:00 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > > > I'm not really that worn down. If you are, you're emotionally investing > too > > much into it. > > I haven't said much during this exchange, but this response surprised >

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

On 01/06/2011 08:00 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > I'm not really that worn down. If you are, you're emotionally investing too > much into it. I haven't said much during this exchange, but this response surprised me. Developers getting worn down by the hate is a real thing. It's so not fair

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

Hi Allan, On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:29 AM, Allan Day wrote: > > > Is someone willing to go through archives and talk to the people close > > to the decision to try to document the features and rationale? > > That was my plan for the shell design page. I'm familiar with most of > the design princi

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

Hi, Allan Day wrote: > Sri's comments earlier in this thread point to the desire for an > evidence base or some kind of research into the shell. I think we do > have some good material there, as I pointed out on desktop-devel > recently [1]. We need that in a public place too. Bear in mind when p

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

Hi, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > Yes, if you're defining "developers" as maintainers of core modules. > Unfortunately, people will go into deskop-devel because there is no > community mailing list that they can go to. So they will participate in > the forum that they believe has the audience they

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

Stormy Peters wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna > wrote: > > We didn't do this for 2.0 which fed into a lot of rage on a > number of forums. Nobody could understand why we were > removing features or the philosophy behind it. Becaus

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > We didn't do this for 2.0 which fed into a lot of rage on a number of > forums. Nobody could understand why we were removing features or the > philosophy behind it. Because of that history, Gnome 3.0 will fall into the > same cycle.

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

On Jan 6, 2011, at 5:00 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Dave Neary wrote: > > > Olav did something similar > > for Lefty on the foundation-list. That is a good example of managing > > the mailing list. > > I think it's a really bad example, actually. How much

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > >> >> OK, point taken. Let's modify that argument instead to "people who are >> worried as there isn't any documented evidence that this design is going to >> work". We do not h

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Dave Neary wrote: > > Ah... I'm not a big fan of buffers. I prefer trying to quieten people > > down when they're distracting. That means channelling the noise > >

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > OK, point taken. Let's modify that argument instead to "people who are > worried as there isn't any documented evidence that this design is going to > work". We do not have official Gnome usability studies to back up our > design of sh

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

Hi, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Dave Neary wrote: > Ah... I'm not a big fan of buffers. I prefer trying to quieten people > down when they're distracting. That means channelling the noise > elsewhere, and perhaps taking a slightly drastic measure of moder

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

Hi Dave, thanks for your thoughtful response.. my comments below. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > Allan Day wrote: > > Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > >> I think in this case, we want to be a buffer between devs and > >> enthusiasts. > > Ah... I'm not a big fan of buffers.

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > Dave Neary wrote: > > (To allay fears of hardware compat issues) > > - Draw up a list of graphics cards used in desktop hardware in the past > > 3 to 5 years, ordered by market share/volume of sales, and match that to > > current compat

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

Hi, Dave Neary wrote: > (To allay fears of hardware compat issues) > - Draw up a list of graphics cards used in desktop hardware in the past > 3 to 5 years, ordered by market share/volume of sales, and match that to > current compatibility of free software drivers for the hardware with the > 3D r

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

Hi, Allan Day wrote: > Dave Neary wrote: > This is something that I tried to clarify in a recent message to > desktop-devel [1]. We need an easy to understand statement here and we > need to spread it round a bit. There might be some usable data we can get from gitdm on the number of code committ

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > Allan Day wrote: > > Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > >> I think in this case, we want to be a buffer between devs and > >> enthusiasts. > > Ah... I'm not a big fan of buffers. I prefer trying to quieten people > down when they're distracting. That means channelling the nois

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

Hi, Allan Day wrote: > Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: >> I think in this case, we want to be a buffer between devs and >> enthusiasts. Ah... I'm not a big fan of buffers. I prefer trying to quieten people down when they're distracting. That means channelling the noise elsewhere, and perhaps taking a sl

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

On 01/05/2011 03:01 PM, Paul Cutler wrote: Hi Allan, Thanks for kicking off this discussion. Andreas and I did some work on GNOME3.org which can be found on Github: https://github.com/andreasn/gnome3-website We were pretty close - the design is done and some of the copy needs to be updated.

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > Stormy Peters wrote: > > It seems like we need two things: > > 1) a website to speak to the world (our our community) about > GNOME 3.0 - > >

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > Stormy Peters wrote: > > It seems like we need two things: > > 1) a website to speak to the world (our our community) about GNOME 3.0 - > > that's gnome3.org > > 2) a place for all those interested in helping with com

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

Hi, Stormy Peters wrote: > It seems like we need two things: > 1) a website to speak to the world (our our community) about GNOME 3.0 - > that's gnome3.org > 2) a place for all those interested in helping with community management > to share stories and ideas - is that this lis

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:05 AM, Allan Day wrote: > On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 13:50 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > We've never done community management (well or at all) and it might be > > a good way to do a sales job on our own existing user base who fear > > change. It will also prepare us fo

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

Hi Allan, Thanks for kicking off this discussion. Andreas and I did some work on GNOME3.org which can be found on Github: https://github.com/andreasn/gnome3-website We were pretty close - the design is done and some of the copy needs to be updated. We were waiting for some videos and screensho

Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 09:05 +, Allan Day wrote: > On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 13:50 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Jason D. Clinton > > wrote: > > Since it was supposed to be almost entirely video thumbnails > > on the front page, the v

Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 13:50 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Jason D. Clinton > wrote: > Since it was supposed to be almost entirely video thumbnails > on the front page, the videos need to go up there. And since > we don't have a UI

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > Since it was supposed to be almost entirely video thumbnails on the front > page, the videos need to go up there. And since we don't have a UI freeze > for a few more months, it wasn't in the plan to have it up until then. > > But I think

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

Since it was supposed to be almost entirely video thumbnails on the front page, the videos need to go up there. And since we don't have a UI freeze for a few more months, it wasn't in the plan to have it up until then. But I think there is a value in making this a kind of process-marketing. I thin

Re: getting www.gnome3.org

We do have gnome3.org and we worked on it at the last marketing hackfest. At that time, it was really close to launching ... Paul, Andreas, what is left? What can we help with? Stormy On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > Any chance we could get the DNS entry www.gnome3.or

getting www.gnome3.org

Any chance we could get the DNS entry www.gnome3.org (and I think gnome4 and gnome5 etc) so that we can use it to centralize messaging to a particular URL? I think as we get close we want to be able to point people to a site that is simple to remember and specific to gnome 3. What do you guys thi