[Marxism] Gazan socialist: ‘We will never surrender, but we need your support’
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Thousands of people in Sydney joined many demonstrations around the world in support of Palestine on July 20, staging an angry demonstration starting at Town Hall. After the protest, the Socialist Alliance http:/??www.socialist-alliance.org hosted a meeting in the nearby Hotel Sweeney’s to discuss the situation in Gaza and how to build the campaign against Israeli terror.Another rally https://www.facebook.com/events/821811061177268/?ref=25 is scheduled for July 27 at 1pm at Sydney’s Town Hall (other cities are also holding more demonstrations against Israel’s attacks). The post-rally meeting heard from Shamikh Badra, an activist from the left-wing Palestinian People’s Party in Gaza who is studying in Australia, and Vivienne Porzsolt from Jews Against the Occupation. The article below is based on Badra’s speech. https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/56910 -- “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Israel is being defeated in Gaza as it was in Lebanon
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Israel could have had “security” by sticking to the November 2012 ceasefire agreement it signed, which includes the requirement to lift the siege. http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israel-being-defeated-gaza-it-was-lebanon?utm_source=EI+readersutm_campaign=e8c6705c0b-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGNutm_medium=emailutm_term=0_e802a7602d-e8c6705c0b-290662377 Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: ZCommunications » Venezuela: Stalin vs. Trotsky?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == By Frederico Fuentes http://zcomm.org/znetarticle/venezuela-stalin-vs-trotsky/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Israel is being defeated in Gaza as it was in Lebanon,
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I don't like articles like this. It give a false sense of 'victory' based on a totally faulty, wishful-thinking analysis. The author writes Israel has so far admitted to 25 dead soldiers in just four days of ground operations. That’s a higher daily casualty rate than it suffered in Lebanon. Had Netanyahu known that would be the price, he would not likely have launched this foolish and criminal slaughter in Gaza. This betrays a lack of understanding of Zionist gov't politics and the reasons and...price...these gov'ts will pay to achieve what ever goal they think is the target. The target is, in fact, to punish the people of Gaza for tolerating Hamas. It has nothing to do with wiping out Hamas, though that is for public, mostly western, consumption. This is prat of the continual program to suppress and Bantustand the whole of the Palestinian nation. In fact 25 dead soldiers is irrelevant to local Israeli politics except to the degree that they are paraded as martyrs. Yes, Israel uses the 'martyr' tactic as well. To measure this as a success or failure based on the criteria laid out in this article does one any good...least of the people of Gaza under Israeli assault. David Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Israel is being defeated in Gaza as it was in Lebanon
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == As I understand it, the Israeli military has a gag order on reporting any attacks on military installations in Israel. Thus one would not know whether or not Hamas has attacked them. On 7/22/2014 12:23 PM, DW via Marxism wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Dennis writes: Would you also say that the Vietnamese claim of victory in 1975 after suffering 4 million dead, widespread birth defects from Agent Orange, unexploded bombs killing people to this day, and widespread destruction leaving their nation an economic basket case unable to serve as a positive model for other former colonial nations were also guilty of wishful-thinking? Was their victory merely Pyrrhic as Chomsky has suggested? Terrible analogy, Dennis. The Vietnamese *won*. The Palestinians? Not so much. I think the correct analogy here would be the Ted Offensive, which was a lost by the NLF but proceeded the ultimate victory about 8 years later. And we can discuss the Tet Offensive in this light perhaps later since one can make the argument that though the offensive was totally smashed, the costs to the U.S. and their S. Vietnamese puppets was something they *may* of never recovered from, but in Vietnam and domestically, in the U.S. I don't see this as the same or as so analogous to the Ted Offensive. At least not yet. Comparisons with Lebanon are apt though. But here you had an abject *military* defeat for the IDF. They achieved none of their goals though, as expressed in Israel, the Katyusha rockets *did* stop being lobbed into Israel. Why the Hezbollah not once aimed those rockets at Israeli military fortifications goes the stupid politics of these resistance organizations which we can also discuss. [IDF forces are concentrated and bunched up formation in known assembly points right outside Gaza, *without Iron Dome protection*!!!]. And Dennis, you are correct, the situation of Palestinians is completely fucked in terms of choices in strategy and tactics given the military and geographic reality of both Gaza and the West Bank. No doubt about it. But to 'claim' victory might be good for the Gaza street (which makes sense *there*), while Israel STILL occupies parts of the Strip and continued *unabated* is simply not a victory. When Israel withdraws, after the destruction of whole sections of the Stip and the murder of perhaps thousands, then 'victory' can be discussed. Until then it *disorients* those fighting in solidarity with Gaza specifically and for Palestine in general. I will not circulate such poorly proclamatory crap as that article in question. David (also fighting for over 40 years against Zionism). Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/mikesola%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] New on RedWedge: Ash River, Gentrification, Palestine
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == In the new online edition of Red Wedge: *“Rendering the River of Ash”* Trish Kale interviews eco-artist Marissa Angel http://redwedgemagazine.com/articles/rendering-river-ash *“Détroit, très Brooklyn!”* Ryan Harte on gentrification and art from New York to Detroit http://redwedgemagazine.com/articles/detroit-tres-brooklyn *“Performing Artists Stand for Palestine”* A coalition of Palestinian performing art groups condemn the attack on Gaza http://redwedgemagazine.com/articles/performing-artists-stand-palestine *“Don’t Go Hungry for My Dark Skin”* A poem Octavio Quintanilla’s new book, “If I Go Missing” http://redwedgemagazine.com/creativity/dont-go-hungry-dark-skin *“Fighting (For) the Right to Party”* John Halle on how we view classical music http://redwedgemagazine.com/articles/fighting-right-party and more… Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Israel is being defeated in Gaza as it was in Lebanon
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == on Dienstag, 22. Juli 2014 at 18:23, DW via Marxism wrote: The Vietnamese *won*. The Palestinians? Not so much. I think the correct analogy here would be the Ted Offensive, which was a lost by the NLF but proceeded the ultimate victory about 8 years later. Let me quote from a recent short note by Fidel Castro An unheard of provocation on the US-war drive against Russia and the Israeli terror in Gaza: At the same time, coinciding with the Malaysian aircraft crime, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, head of the nuclear state, ordered his army to invade the Gaza Strip, where, over the last several days, hundreds of Palestinians have died, many of them children. The President of the United States supported the action, describing the repugnant act as legitimate defense. Obama does not support David against Goliath, but rather Goliath against David. As is known, young men and women from the Israeli people, well prepared for productive work, are being exposed to a death without honor, without glory. I am not aware of the Palestinian?s military strategy, but I know that a combatant prepared to die can defend even the ruins of a building, as long as he has his rifle, as the heroic defenders of Stalingrad demonstrated. The Israel government wants the Arabs in the Gaza strip to suffer the fate of the uprising in the Jewish Ghetto in German-occupied Warsaw, but it might well be that they rather encounter what the German army suffered at Stalingrad. Cheers, Lüko Willms Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Russian Military Intelligence poor record for truth telling
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Russian military intelligence has often been cited recently for proof that somebody else has been behind a grand conspiracy to shoot down flight MH17 and blame it on the Russians, but they have a poor record of truth telling. In this 30 June 2011 blog post Did Qaddafi Bomb Peaceful Protesters? http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2011/06/did-qaddafi-bomb-peaceful-protesters_7599.html I caught them in an earlier lie. Briefly, RT and other pro-Qaddafi sources were using Russian military intelligence reports to contradict reports that Qaddafi was using his Migs to attack protesters. The Russian military, monitoring the unrest via satellite from the very beginning, says nothing of the sort was going on on the ground. Then Saif Qaddafi told Amonpour that they were only bombing ammo dumps not protesters! Oops. -- Clay Claiborne, Owner Cosmos Engineering Co. http://CosmosEng.com/ 116 Rose Ave, Ste. 9 Venice Beach, CA 90291 (310)581-1536 (323) 219-6507 cell Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Russian Military Intelligence poor record for truth telling
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 07/22/2014 03:28 PM, Clay Claiborne via Marxism wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Russian military intelligence has often been cited recently for proof that somebody else has been behind a grand conspiracy to shoot down flight MH17 and blame it on the Russians, but they have a poor truth telling. Not to be picky, but we haven't seen much data from NATO or the U.S. to counteract the radar data presented by the Russian military yesterday. There are rumors that the U.S. will present counter-data tomorrow. Can you name a contemporary state that has good truth telling record, so we can compare it to the Russians? The U.S.? Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Russian Military Intelligence poor record for truth telling
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 7/22/14 5:39 PM, h0ost via Marxism wrote: Can you name a contemporary state that has good truth telling record, so we can compare it to the Russians? The U.S.? The truth is that they are mirror images of each other. When Russians shot down a Korean airliner, there were clear signs that the plane had been testing Soviet air defenses. But both countries pushed CYA excuses for weeks afterwards. In this instance, however Occam's Razor applies. Given what we know, it seems incontrovertible that a separatist missile brought the plane down. If I had been Putin or his pit bulldog in Donetsk, I would have given a speech regretting the loss of life but put the blame on NATO, the EU, Samantha Power, George Soros, Nicholas Kristof, the Illuminati, and the Unrepentant Marxist blog for creating the conditions that made such a tragic incident possible. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Watch: 9 Jewish activists arrested after occupying Friends of the Israel Defense Forces office | Mondoweiss
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[Marxism] Fwd: In Moscow « LRB blog
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2014/07/22/peter-pomerantsev/in-moscow-2/ In Moscow Peter Pomerantsev 22 July 2014 ‘When the news came in about the plane going down I couldn’t tell whether it was real. There have been so many fake pieces of news in the Russian media this week you can no longer tell what’s true and what isn’t,’ B said, as we sat in a Moscow café the weekend after Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 had been blown out of the sky over Donbass. ‘Just this week there was a story about Ukrainian soldiers crucifying a Donbass child. Then there was a story about how the White House instructed the Ukrainians to depopulate Donbass so that the US can get control of its shale gas. And since the crash, there have been stories about Americans trying to down Putin’s plane but getting the Malaysian one by accident, or the plane being filled with corpses before it took off to fake the tragedy, or the US blowing up the plane to pull Putin into a war in Ukraine to distract from their economic problems.’ You can spot the cultural influences: the crucified child is from Game of Thrones, the plane with corpses is from Lost. The borders between fact and fiction are not just blurred: they’re irrelevant. When the deputy minister of communications, Alexei Volin, himself а former journalist and occasional scriptwriter, was asked if the crucifixion story was true, he said that it passed journalistic standards – and anyway what really mattered were ratings. The nation must be kept hooked. As a plot turn the Malaysia Airlines crash is useful. Except that it’s real. Which is inconvenient. As the whole Donbass war is inconvenient. Putin would much rather have a film about a war to sell his audience. In the early 1990s reports about atrocities (sometimes fabricated by PR companies) were used to persuade Americans to go to war over Kuwait: here the reports are the end goal. A war set up to have a movie about a war. The cameras of the tabloid channel Life News are called to military action before action has taken place. Though in such cases reality can intervene too. On 29 June rebel leaders sent a cortège of Russian journalists to film Ukrainian troops surrendering: the rebel leaders had even provided extras to impersonate soldiers’ mothers for the ‘news’ piece. But when the Ukrainains saw the coach they opened fire, killing a Russian cameraman. ‘The Russian TV people killed in the Donbass are buried as heroes,’ Anna Kachkayeva, an academic and television critic, remarked. ‘While the Russians who fight there with guns are buried secretly. The TV people are the real troops.’ I met Mark Galeotti, an NYU professor who has been teaching in Moscow, in a Pain Quotidien inside a business centre. ‘The Soviet Union used to reinvent reality too but they still kept to a single version of the truth. Pravda would telegraph the party line so everyone knew what to say,’ he told me. Now, instead of a single truth, the TV spits out contradictory conspiracy theories. The effect is to leave the viewer so confused and he is demoralised that he gives up on trying to find a ‘real’ version. This is effective in keeping people both paranoid and passive, but it means, Galeotti said, that ‘everyone has to improvise their own version of the truth.’ I heard different improvisations during a week in Moscow. There were those who were calm and succinct, like the man who said that Google was curated by the CIA and that WikiLeaks was a CIA operation to spark the Arab Spring, and how Russia needs to create a sovereign internet to defend itself (the man just happens to design and market internet filter programs). But there were also hour-long emotional monologues, with no logical connections between the sentences, which just repeated the words ‘them’ and ‘us’ over and over, intimating but never quite clarifying who was behind some great anti-Russian plot. The younger generation, a teacher told me, were the worst: those who had Soviet experience were aware of the TV fibs, but not the 20-year-olds. When I worked in Russian TV during the Noughties I could see how the TV was breeding conspiracy theories, breaking down critical language year after year, making pseudo-logical constructions a normal form of speech, cultivating the ideal Putin citizen. ‘The point isn’t whether or not they really believe it or not,’ Galeotti said when I asked him how many of his students he thought actually believed the new line (or lines). ‘The point is they feel intimidated enough to repeat it.’ Journalists who haven’t been shut down are shrivelled or co-opted, reporting on ‘different versions’ of the Malaysia Airlines crash and skating over the evidence against the Russian-sponsored, Russian-led and
[Marxism] Palestine
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == A few interesting pieces on Redline: PFLP on Shuja’iya massacre: http://rdln.wordpress.com/2014/07/23/barakat-shujaiya-massacre-proves-the-nature-of-the-occupier-and-the-failure-of-its-aggression/ Tony Greenstein on Israel, Palestine, the one-state solution and the issue of Israeli-Jewish nationhood: http://rdln.wordpress.com/2011/07/08/israel-palestine-the-one-state-solution-and-the-issue-of-israeli-jewish-nationhood/ Israel, Palestinian liberation and the Oslo Accords: http://rdln.wordpress.com/2013/07/13/israel-palestinian-liberation-and-the-oslo-accords/ NZ activist interviews Palestinian veteran revolutionary icon Leila Khaled: http://rdln.wordpress.com/2013/10/27/nz-solidarity-activist-interviews-leila-khaled-2010/ Is there a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict? http://rdln.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/is-there-a-two-state-solution-to-israel-palestinian-conflict-2/ For a campaign of solidarity with the Palestinian struggle: http://rdln.wordpress.com/2011/12/18/for-a-campaign-of-solidarity-with-the-palestinian-struggle/ Palestinian liberation and the PFLP today – interview with PFLP deputy-general-secretary: http://rdln.wordpress.com/2014/03/12/palestinian-liberation-and-the-pflp-today-an-interview-with-abu-ahmad-fouad-deputy-secretary-general-of-the-pflp/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Thoughts on Palestine and Syria
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I have read Binh's recent article (http://notgeorgesabra.wordpress.com/2014/07/22/selective-internationalism-an-activist-disorder/) on the relation between Palestine and Syria and saw a statistic from FP that more than 700 people have been killed in Syria between Thursday and Friday (http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/07/21/overlooked_syrian_conflict_hits_new_death_toll_record?utm_content=buffer89172utm_medium=socialutm_source=facebook.comutm_campaign=buffer) Even facts like how Assad has substantially displaced more Palestinians than Israel has this year tend to be interpreted as apologetic for Israel. Fortunately, I had found this amazing line that seemed to really convey why the Palestinian struggle is famous in a recent article by Adam shatz.. This explanation can't be easily characterized as whitewashing Israel: Do you know why we are so famous? Mahmoud Darwish asks the Israeli writer Helit Yeshurun inPalestine as Metaphor. It's because you are our enemy. The interest in the Palestinian question flows from the interest in the Jewish question…. It's you they're interested in, not me!… So we have the misfortune of having an enemy, Israel, with so many sympathizers in the world, and we have the good fortune that our enemy is Israel, since Jews are the center of the world. You have given us our defeat, our weakness, our renown. As Darwish suggests, this concern for the Palestinians is not a matter of anti-Semitism, as Israel supporters claim, so much as it is a reflection of self-absorption: the Palestinians are important to the West because, through their oppression by Israeli Jews, they have become characters in a Western narrative. (I encourage you to read the full article. We should have more writers on the region like Adam Shatz, and less of Chris Hedges and Robert Fisk (and plenty others in zmag, counterpunch) who view the Middle East as a geopolitical entity that revolves around America.) I'm afraid by the time the Syrian question becomes popular, all Syrians would be dead already. And it will stay unpopular for as long as the players involved aren't Israeli Jews or Westerners* as Mahmoud Darwich, in the usual Palestinian acerbic wit, demonstrates. http://m.thenation.com/article/180663-writers-or-missionaries *As western jihadists going to fight in Syria garner more discussion in western papers of record and media than the victims of the war Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
