Re: [Marxism] An "All Hands on Deck" Moment: Sixty-Six Old New Leftists Urge Support for Joe Biden - New Politics
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * *Paul Le Blanc, not Paul Buhle. This really is a bizarre exchange. The people encouraging a vote for Biden are using their "cred" as members of loose coalition of activist groups that failed miserably in accomplishing any of the things they set out to accomplish. I'm not sure what expertise people who thought thousands of others would join them in setting off bombs in army compounds think they have that it somehow lends credibility to their point of view. I disagree with both the original statement and Le Blanc's comments. I don't think it is an "all hands on deck moment," if for no reason other than the fact that everything is pointing to a re-election for Trump even if people did heed the advice given in this letter. Like in 2016, the election will come down to a handful of communities in a handful of states, and the DNC has selected a person with obvious signs of mental health decline to challenge the incumbent. As far as I am concerned, the election is already lost. If I lived in a swing state, I'd probably suck it up and vote for Biden because I feel like it is the equivalent of having a gun to my head. But I don't, so I won't, and I doubt that it will matter. In about 7 months we will watch as Donald Trump proves to the world that "American democracy" and all of the institutions that the signatories say they want to defend are already lost. We should be focusing on how to reclaim our local communities through the use of strikes and other tools, especially now with the likely onset of a depression. Amith R. Gupta On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 8:48 AM Louis Proyect via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > By Paul Buhle. > > > https://newpol.org/an-all-hands-on-deck-moment-sixty-six-old-new-leftists-urge-support-for-joe-biden/ > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] [pen-l] Some may have to die to save the economy?
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Thoughts on what Ralph wrote --- Back in 1974, Robert Heilbroner wrote a VERY PRESCIENT book called An Inquiry Into the Human Prospect. The first part was about environmental problems -- which (even at that early date) mentioned global warming as a long term problem. The second was whether we in the "west" would succumb to totalitarian governments to force through the changes necessary to ride out this problem [here he was dead wrong as by the end of the 1970s led by Thatcher in Britain and then after 1981, Reagan in the US, the "west" opted for neo-liberalism (on this see Yergin and Stanislaus THE COMMANDING HEIGHTS (where they never once mention neo-liberalism!) --- but only as to timing. It took longer (till very recently) for environmental problems plus the ultimate failure of neo-liberalism to move many countries towards authoritarianism. The third problem focused on my Heilbroner was the idea that (perhaps) human nature CRAVED a boss-figure to tell us what to do --- that we humans have an instinct to succumb to totalitarianism. (This in direct contrast to Noam Chomsky's optimistic speculation that we humans have an "instinct for liberty.") Ralph's description of the failure of the neo-liberal Humpty Dumpty to be put back together again when the virus is finally tamed (I really do believe there will be a vaccine --- unlike AIDS which affected small percentages of the population in the developed world therefore not creating this great search for the treatments that would earn big pharma big bucks, COVID-19 given the structure of compensation in Big Pharma will earn some companies mega-billions --- ) may be right --- AFter all, what caused the 2008-9 financial meltdown has NOT been remedied --- In Europe's "south" there really never was much of a recovery --- in the US it was stronger but not enough to satisfy large swaths of the population leading to support for Bernie AND Trump --- So rebuilding from the terrible economic destruction wrought by the pandemic will be extremely hard if not impossible. Thus -- the only way the capitalists remain on top is with fascist type governments. Q.E.D. (so what do we do about it?) On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 5:28 PM Ralph Johansen wrote: > My response to a friend who wrote this to his family copy to me: > > On 4/18/2020 11:02 AM, - wrote: > > Some may have to die to save the economy? > This headline in my paper today summarizes my opinion about the "early" > opening. It is easy to want a return to normality. Our Wall Street > government will lie and downplay the dangers. Our family shouldn't be > seduced. > Pops > > Well I don't know. I've lived in the relatively good times, for anyone in > the American middle class especially. And now I feel as if I as one of an > age bracket most susceptible could go out, willingly, gloriously, to save > Trump by saving the economy and helping to make America even greater again, > for another term. > > I have thoughts about these things. Something like this: > > I can't for the life of me see how the economy recovers. First and > foremost there's the whole global environment collapsing and we're either > oblivious or frozen in place, business as usual, and it's coming with its > penumbra to our neighborhood as sure as we're sitting here. And do we > maybe think we're just going to wait alongside and watch it happening > somewhere else? > > And what do we really know about this virus or possibly others to follow, > how long they last and spread in a closely-packed, interdependent if > seemingly remote slum, favela, barrio and ghetto world, and how they relate > to what we're doing to the environment and where there might be prevention > or testing or cure or vaccination or some sort of magic foresight or > scientific breakthrough? > > And then because look, we all stop, supposedly just for the time being, > buying cars and washing machines and electronic gismos and chotchkies and > we stop going to the barbershop and the theater and the hardware and > restaurants and air travel and other tourism stuff and everybody either > loses their job or is cut so far back that nobody can pay the mortgage or > the rent or the utilities or the credit cards and loans or medical and > dental bills and the debt and interest pile up and shops, stores, > warehouses and offices and hospitals close down along with their employees > and municipal, state and local governments lose their tax revenue and the > supply chain that's supposed to ship us sustenance collapses and big > corporations eat more small corporations and strip their assets and fire > everybody and declare a big dividend and the government prints endless
[Marxism] Some may have to die to save the economy?
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * My response to a friend who wrote this to his family copy to me: On 4/18/2020 11:02 AM, - wrote: Some may have to die to save the economy? This headline in my paper today summarizes my opinion about the "early" opening. It is easy to want a return to normality. Our Wall Street government will lie and downplay the dangers. Our family shouldn't be seduced. Pops Well I don't know. I've lived in the relatively good times, for anyone in the American middle class especially. And now I feel as if I as one of an age bracket most susceptible could go out, willingly, gloriously, to save Trump by saving the economy and helping to make America even greater again, for another term. I have thoughts about these things. Something like this: I can't for the life of me see how the economy recovers. First and foremost there's the whole global environment collapsing and we're either oblivious or frozen in place, business as usual, and it's coming with its penumbra to our neighborhood as sure as we're sitting here. And do we maybe think we're just going to wait alongside and watch it happening somewhere else? And what do we really know about this virus or possibly others to follow, how long they last and spread in a closely-packed, interdependent if seemingly remote slum, favela, barrio and ghetto world, and how they relate to what we're doing to the environment and where there might be prevention or testing or cure or vaccination or some sort of magic foresight or scientific breakthrough? And then because look, we all stop, supposedly just for the time being, buying cars and washing machines and electronic gismos and chotchkies and we stop going to the barbershop and the theater and the hardware and restaurants and air travel and other tourism stuff and everybody either loses their job or is cut so far back that nobody can pay the mortgage or the rent or the utilities or the credit cards and loans or medical and dental bills and the debt and interest pile up and shops, stores, warehouses and offices and hospitals close down along with their employees and municipal, state and local governments lose their tax revenue and the supply chain that's supposed to ship us sustenance collapses and big corporations eat more small corporations and strip their assets and fire everybody and declare a big dividend and the government prints endless currency without backing any place in the real economy, the world of productive activity, and throw it out the window of the helicopter Milton Friedman style, but only just enough monthly for a couple of good lunches, a tank full of gas and a stiff belt. And even that's late and its continuation uncertain and it doesn't go to those who need it most, underneath the bridges. And then we're supposed to have enough left over to start buying again? So then we think the economy just picks up and marches on once the honchos give the order to resume, even though before the virus showed up no one was investing in productive enterprise because the rate of profit has been higher in non-productive assets, and so the transnational corporations just keep plowing it back into mergers and acquisitions and stock and bond buybacks and military hardware and shoveling profits out the door to Biden's Delaware or some island or some humongous capsule out there in space colonies reserved for their class, Bezos-and-Musk-style? And then Trump and Biden and the rest of our anointed political protectors and their corporate ringmasters who haven't a clue or a plan how to save anything except their own asses and sequester it someplace for themselves and cohorts later, are supposed to come to our rescue? I don't think so. This may at first glance seem off topic but I heard Vijay Prashad saylast week that right now in India 700 million people don't know where their next meal is coming from. The repressive Modi government, backed by US military supplies and by granting them, as convenient allies against our enemy China, diplomatic, geopolitical, trade and narrow class advantages has ordered that during this virus crisis all migrant labor, millions on millions of displaced Indians, are to leave the centers of production and go back to their villages, walk 1100 kilometers with no food and no cash, most ending up as unlamented, unnoticed corpses on the roadside. And some in my middle class American circle here actually say what has that got to do with me and what can I do about it? If like most Americans we read only what's supplied to us by our corporate media, haven't a clue as to how the world works, therefore haven't been
[Marxism] Historical Lessons of the Syrian Revolution: A CRITICAL BALANCE SHEET (Joseph Daher)
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Re: [Marxism] [UCE] Crisis of Socialism and Effects of Capitalist Restoration | Paul Cockshott | Monthly Review
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[Marxism] Fwd: H-Net Review [H-Socialisms]: Hartjen on Myers, 'Youth Squad: Policing Children in the Twentieth Century'
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * -- Forwarded message - From: H-Net Staff via H-REVIEW Date: Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 7:02 AM Subject: H-Net Review [H-Socialisms]: Hartjen on Myers, 'Youth Squad: Policing Children in the Twentieth Century' To: Cc: H-Net Staff Tamara Gene Myers. Youth Squad: Policing Children in the Twentieth Century. Montreal McGill-Queen's University Press, 2019. xiii + 253 pp. $29.95 (paper), ISBN 978-0-7735-5893-9; $110.00 (cloth), ISBN 978-0-7735-5892-2. Reviewed by Clayton A. Hartjen (Rutgers University at Newark) Published on H-Socialisms (April, 2020) Commissioned by Gary Roth Policing Children _Youth Squad: Policing Children in the Twentieth Century_ provides a lucid and informed historical account of the increasing involvement of police in the lives of North American youth throughout the twentieth century. In their efforts to protect and deter "at risk" young people from delinquent activity and potential lives of criminality, law enforcement agencies devised a number of strategies that increasingly embedded them in the lives of children, especially those deemed to be pre-delinquents or incipient delinquents. Tamara Gene Myers's introduction offers a succinct discussion of the overall analyses that follow in more detailed chapters. Each chapter documents how the police in Canadian and American cities changed their approach to "wayward" young people from intimidation/punishment to one of "prevention" and "reform" of those involved in, or at risk of involvement in, delinquency and potentially harmful behavior. Throughout her analysis, Myers implies that in addition to trying to "save" young people from lives of crime, police departments had a hidden agenda to infiltrate communities of young people in order to combat the negative image people held of them as well as to enhance police legitimacy, status, and ultimately control. Substantive, very readable, and well documented, chapters describe in detail how police departments, primarily in Canada, came to develop policing strategies that focused on deterring the assumed delinquency/criminal tendencies of various populations of young people--specifically disadvantaged youths from ethnic neighborhoods and, later, racial minorities. Both generally and with specific case examples, Myers describes the origins and development of "youth squads," curfew laws, the creation of police-sponsored athletic programs (such as Police Athletic Leagues), traffic law observance, and finally the increasing use of police officers as school resource officers (SROs) throughout Canada and the United States. Ironically, as Myers points out, the introduction of SROs in schools appears to represent a return to the pre-twentieth-century "intimidate and punish" approach to policing young people. As she states: "In the name of keeping students safe, the police presence in schools has meant a more repressive approach toward young people" (p. 178). _Youth Squad_ is an excellent and highly accessible documentation of North American changes in thinking about young people and the role of police authority in dealing with their presumed criminal potential as well as the assumption that they needed special nurturing and protection. Both as a historical analysis and as a statement of bureaucratic as well as social science folly, this volume is a must read for anyone interested in public policy and the ways ideology can lead to the intrusive, if well-intended, involvement of authority in the lives of people. Citation: Clayton A. Hartjen. Review of Myers, Tamara Gene, _Youth Squad: Policing Children in the Twentieth Century_. H-Socialisms, H-Net Reviews. April, 2020. URL: https://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=55191 This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License. -- Best regards, Andrew Stewart _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] An "All Hands on Deck" Moment: Sixty-Six Old New Leftists Urge Support for Joe Biden - New Politics
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Re: [Marxism] An "All Hands on Deck" Moment: Sixty-Six Old New Leftists Urge Support for Joe Biden - New Politics
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Louis Proyect mistakenly wrote that this article was written by Paul Buhle. It was actually written by Paul LeBlanc. https://newpol.org/an-all-hands-on-deck-moment-sixty-six-old-new-leftists-urge-support-for-joe-biden/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Time magazine on factory farming
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The capitalist media is starting to cover the connection between factory farming and zoonotic pandemics. Here is an article in Time magazine on the issue. It includes extensive coverage of Rob Wallace. The article leaves out the other half of the equation - habitat fragmentation and loss - but it's a lot better than nothing. And a lot better than the great majority of the socialist left press, which completely ignores these issues. However, if the capitalist press continues to report on this, then the socialists will pick it up. Heaven forbid that they should do so independently! https://time.com/5819801/rethink-industrialized-farming-next-pandemic/?fbclid=IwAR06paY8z3hFN0aM4J_ZtUBwnpnc9Ou1c1Lv61ZhkqgpwpnTotys2W4PmR8 John Reimann -- *“In politics, abstract terms conceal treachery.” *from "The Black Jacobins" by C. L. R. James Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] An "All Hands on Deck" Moment: Sixty-Six Old New Leftists Urge Support for Joe Biden - New Politics
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[Marxism] Boris Johnson missed five coronavirus Cobra meetings, Michael Gove says | World news | The Guardian
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[Marxism] [UCE] The euro’s corona crisis | Michael Roberts Blog
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[Marxism] The Parched West is Heading Into a Global Warming-Fueled Megadrought That Could Last for Centuries | InsideClimate News
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[Marxism] We Can Defeat The Narcissist In Chief
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Bill Fletcher Jr. recycles Todd Gitlin: "So that’s point number one, in the sense that it’s not like it only happened in Italy or Germany. Now the second thing, Marc, is really to your point, is that unfortunately there are people that think that there really is a choice in November between I’m staying home or voting. And, there is no choice. I was talking to my wife the other day about 1968, and about how many people of our generation took a pass on the election because we didn’t like Humphrey, Hubert Humphrey, and what a tragic mistake that was when we look at what happened subsequently." https://therealnews.com/stories/donald-trump-narcissist-in-chief-organize-apocalyptic _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
