Re: [Marxism] Michael Moore Slams Obama: All He'll Be Remembered for Is "First Black President"

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The Gates initiative in education was always cynical and
self-interested, centered as it is upon heavy investments in new
technologies.

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John O. wrote:
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...he invested in the Merchant of War companies and a known Bank
Predator company. And he gave very little to non-profit and to social
justice groups even less. Does anyone on this list think there is not a
problem with investing in the Boeing military company?
<

You are right. Yet the other kind of wealthy investor is a problem, too.
Suppose an investor chooses to buy into so-called socially beneficial
lines of business, or at least to avoid a list of sectors like military,
tobacco, GMO seeds, and cut-and-slash buyout funds. He wants to keep his
soul pure, but he does not make much of a difference.

As for good works, Andrew Carnegie built a bunch of public libraries. So
far as I know (namely, nothing), this was in itself a positive thing.
Bill Gates gives a bunch of money to education, that is, to initiatives
that destroy education. Difference of personality, or sign of a
historical change?


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Re: [Marxism] From the Guardian: Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 might have been shot down from air

[Clay Claiborne via Marxism]

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Shane, aren't you overlooking the possibility that it was a missile from
outer space. Maybe a UFO did it. I don't think anybody with any sense
claimed it was a bomb inside the plane that just happened to detonate over
an active war zone (coincidence).
Anyway, I have come to the conclusion that your opinions come NOT FROM
INSIDE THE BRAIN. Get it?

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On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Shane Mage via Marxism <
marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

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>> On Sep 12, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Louis Proyect wrote:
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>>  On 9/12/14 12:25 PM, Shane Mage via Marxism wrote:
>>>
 one of whom was actually acquitted while the other was convicted by NATO
 judges despite the total absence of evidence against him. But what the
 hell--they managed to extort a few billion from Qaddafi and made sure
 the real story would never be heard while the Libyan dictator would get
 all the blame. Like now, when it will "take years" to come up with a
 report blaming the present Russian dictator, after which the Western
 media will have so thoroughly entrenched the thesis of "Russian Guilt"
 in public consciousness that any prosecutorial fiction, however grossly
 stitched together, will pass as common knowledge.



>>> Shane, at this point I've gotten use to having the same relationship to
>>> the Kremlin that Gus Hall once had but where in the Guardian article is
>>> support for the idea that the MH17 "might have been shot down from air". I
>>> read the article 3 times, taking my cataracts into account, but found
>>> nothing to support that notion.
>>>
>>>  The Dutch statements were that the "most likely" scenario was that it
>> was shot down from the ground and that it *definitely* was downed by 'high
>> velocity" projectiles from outside the plane. Which leaves two
>> possibilities: that those projectiles came from the ground or from the air.
>> NOT FROM INSIDE THE PLANE. Got it?
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>> Shane Mage
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>> "Thunderbolt steers all things." Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64
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[Marxism] fantastic WRL statement on Iraq/Syria

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http://www.warresisters.org/us-escalation-against-iraq-and-syria

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Re: [Marxism] From the Guardian: Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 might have been shot down from air

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On Sep 12, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Louis Proyect wrote:


On 9/12/14 12:25 PM, Shane Mage via Marxism wrote:
one of whom was actually acquitted while the other was convicted  
by NATO
judges despite the total absence of evidence against him. But what  
the
hell--they managed to extort a few billion from Qaddafi and made  
sure
the real story would never be heard while the Libyan dictator  
would get

all the blame. Like now, when it will "take years" to come up with a
report blaming the present Russian dictator, after which the Western
media will have so thoroughly entrenched the thesis of "Russian  
Guilt"
in public consciousness that any prosecutorial fiction, however  
grossly

stitched together, will pass as common knowledge.




Shane, at this point I've gotten use to having the same  
relationship to the Kremlin that Gus Hall once had but where in the  
Guardian article is support for the idea that the MH17 "might have  
been shot down from air". I read the article 3 times, taking my  
cataracts into account, but found nothing to support that notion.


The Dutch statements were that the "most likely" scenario was that  
it was shot down from the ground and that it *definitely* was downed  
by 'high velocity" projectiles from outside the plane. Which leaves  
two possibilities: that those projectiles came from the ground or  
from the air. NOT FROM INSIDE THE PLANE. Got it?





Shane Mage

"Thunderbolt steers all things." Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64








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Re: [Marxism] From the Guardian: Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 might have been shot down from air

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Is this a rehash of SU-25's punching 5km above its ceiling?

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[Marxism] ceasefire between factions

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http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/u-s-backed-syrian-rebels-sign-ceasefire-agreement-isis-damascus/

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Re: [Marxism] From the Guardian: Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 might have been shot down from air

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On 9/12/14 9:01 PM, Shane Mage wrote:

NOT FROM INSIDE THE PLANE. Got it?


I think you might be confused with the planned denotations at the WTC, no?


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Re: [Marxism] Michael Moore Slams Obama: All He'll Be Remembered for Is "First Black President"

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John O. wrote:
>
...he invested in the Merchant of War companies and a known Bank 
Predator company. And he gave very little to non-profit and to social 
justice groups even less. Does anyone on this list think there is not a 
problem with investing in the Boeing military company?

<

You are right. Yet the other kind of wealthy investor is a problem, too. 
Suppose an investor chooses to buy into so-called socially beneficial 
lines of business, or at least to avoid a list of sectors like military, 
tobacco, GMO seeds, and cut-and-slash buyout funds. He wants to keep his 
soul pure, but he does not make much of a difference.


As for good works, Andrew Carnegie built a bunch of public libraries. So 
far as I know (namely, nothing), this was in itself a positive thing. 
Bill Gates gives a bunch of money to education, that is, to initiatives 
that destroy education. Difference of personality, or sign of a 
historical change?



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Re: [Marxism] From the Guardian: Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 might have been shot down from air

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On 9/12/14 12:25 PM, Shane Mage via Marxism wrote:

one of whom was actually acquitted while the other was convicted by NATO
judges despite the total absence of evidence against him. But what the
hell--they managed to extort a few billion from Qaddafi and made sure
the real story would never be heard while the Libyan dictator would get
all the blame. Like now, when it will "take years" to come up with a
report blaming the present Russian dictator, after which the Western
media will have so thoroughly entrenched the thesis of "Russian Guilt"
in public consciousness that any prosecutorial fiction, however grossly
stitched together, will pass as common knowledge.




Shane, at this point I've gotten use to having the same relationship to 
the Kremlin that Gus Hall once had but where in the Guardian article is 
support for the idea that the MH17 "might have been shot down from air". 
I read the article 3 times, taking my cataracts into account, but found 
nothing to support that notion.



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[Marxism] From the Guardian: Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 might have been shot down from air

[Shane Mage via Marxism]

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theguardian.com

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/12/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-most-likely-shot-down-from-ground



The possibility that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down  
from the ground is the "most likely" scenario being explored by  
dozens of detectives, according to the Dutch prosecutor overseeing  
the criminal investigation into the downing of the jet.


The coverup of the Ukrainian crime goes on apace.  With the black  
boxes containing all flight data and all the in-cockpit conversation  
in their hands the NATO prosecutors cannot even pretend to exclude the  
"less likely" scenario that MH17 was shot down by an interceptor jet  
or jets.


Meanwhile they are "poring over 350 million web pages and thousands of  
photos and films that could contain evidence of the attack, and trying  
to verify the authenticity of intercepted phone conversations."
Detectives and forensic experts also are looking at 25 metal objects  
recovered from bodies and wreckage to see if they can offer any clues.


25 objects!  Why so few?  Because the Kiev/Ukrainian "authorities"  
ever since the downing have been carrying on their "antiterrorist  
operation" (and how many bells does that phraseology set off?) around  
the crash site. By pure coincidence these "operations" made it  
"impossible" for the "investigators" to collect the physical evidence  
still lying around for them to pick up.  As  to why there is no  
information from or about the satellite surveillance of the area--does  
anyone need to ask?  But not to worry. There are hundreds of millions  
of  "web pages and  photos and films" to mine in order to come up with  
an account echoing
 "the investigation into the Lockerbie bombing that took years to  
identify suspects."


one of whom was actually acquitted while the other was convicted by  
NATO judges despite the total absence of evidence against him. But  
what the hell--they managed to extort a few billion from Qaddafi and  
made sure the real story would never be heard while the Libyan  
dictator would get all the blame. Like now, when it will "take years"  
to come up with a report blaming the present Russian dictator, after  
which the Western media will have so thoroughly entrenched the thesis  
of "Russian Guilt" in public consciousness that any prosecutorial  
fiction, however grossly stitched together, will pass as common  
knowledge.




Shane Mage

"Thunderbolt steers all things." Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64






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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The beginning of modern physics - World Socialist W eb Site

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Feyerabend summarized his view of Bellarmine as follows:

"... theories as instruments of prediction and reject truth-talk as being 
metaphysical and speculative. Their reason is that the devices they use are so 
obviously designed for calculating purposes and that theoretical approaches so 
clearly depend on considerations of elegance and easy applicability that the 
generalization seems to make good sense. Besides, the formal properties 
of'approximations' often differ from those of the basic principles, many 
theories are first steps towards a new point of view which at some future time 
may yield them as approximations and a direct inference from theory to reality 
is therefore rather naive!8 All this was known to 16th- and 17th­century 
scientists. Only a few astronomers thought of deferents and epicycles as real 
roads in the sky; most regarded them as roads on paper which might aid 
calculation but which had no counterpart in reality. The Copernican point of 
view was widely interpreted in the same way - as an interesting, novel and 
rather efficient model. The Church requested, both for scientific and for 
ethical reasons, that Galileo accept this interpretation. Considering the 
difficulties the model faced when regarded as a description of reality, we must 
admit that '[l]ogic was on the side of . . .  Bellarmine and not on the side of 
Galileo,' as the historian of science and physical chemist Pierre Duhem wrote 
in an interesting essay. 19 To sum up: the judgement of the Church experts was 
scientifically correct and had the right social intention, viz. to protect 
people from the machinations of specialists. It wanted to protect people from 
being corrupted by a narrow ideology that might work in restricted domains but 
was incapable of sustaining a harmonious life. A revision of the judgement 
might win the Church some friends among scientists but would severely impair 
its function as a preserver of 
important human and superhuman values. 20 "


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Subject: Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The beginning of modern physics - World 
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 09:24:43 -0400


On 09/12/2014 09:17 AM, Jim Farmelant via Marxism wrote:
> I think the author understates the force of Bellarmine's criticisms of 
> Galileo. There were a number of holes in Galileo's arguments which Bellarmine 
> ably exposed. 

can you give an example or two, Jim?   the bit about the pattern of
sunlight reflection off Venus atmosphere sounds intriguing, hadn�t heard
that one before.

Les



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Re: [Marxism] Imperialism, Repressive Tolerance and Resistance

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On 9/12/14 9:31 AM, Ron Jacobs via Marxism wrote:


http://stillhomeron.blogspot.com/2014/09/imperialism-repressive-tolerance-and.html


Ron, you write: "In his September 10, 2014 speech on the subject of the 
Islamic State, Syria and Iraq, Barack Obama discussed the creation of 
what would be a mercenary force in Syria whose mission would be 
twofold—fight the Islamic State and fight the official Syrian military."


However, the NY Times reported today:

Since pushing ISIS from parts of northern Syria early this year, Syria’s 
rebels have few military advances to point to and in many areas have 
lost ground, to Mr. Assad’s forces and to ISIS. But in many places they 
remain busy fighting Mr. Assad and are not eager to redirect their 
energies to ISIS — even while many say they hate the group.


“The priority is the regime,” Ziad Obeid, who heads a small rebel 
faction in Aleppo, said through Skype. “But it is ISIS that is 
preventing any progress on the ground, so we have to get rid of it, too.”


Still, he added, he would not pull fighters from battles with the 
government to fight ISIS. “People on the fronts with the regime can’t 
leave to fight ISIS,” he said. “That won’t work.”


full: 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/12/world/middleeast/us-pins-hope-on-syrian-rebels-with-loyalties-all-over-the-map.html


Also, you write:

"In essence, this force sounds a lot like the contra forces created by 
the Reagan White House to fight the Sandinista government in Nicaragua 
during the 1980s. Those men, who were a mix of committed anticommunists, 
CIA operatives, mercenaries and just plain criminals, caused a lot of 
death and other havoc inside Nicaragua."


In fact, the FSA has nothing in common with the Nicaraguan contras. You 
are repeating a canard I have heard time and time again. The contras 
were largely made up of men who had tortured the Nicaraguan poor who had 
run afoul of a crony capitalist elite. If you want a counterpart for 
that in Syria, look no further than the Baathist goons.


Finally, with respect to causing a "lot of death and other havoc" in 
Syria, where have you been for the last 3 years? On a nature hike? Syria 
makes Nicaragua look like a Quaker retreat by comparison.





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[Marxism] Fwd: Sweden and the Renaissance of Marxist Crime Stories » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

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http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/12/sweden-and-the-renaissance-of-marxist-crime-stories/

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[Marxism] Imperialism, Repressive Tolerance and Resistance

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http://stillhomeron.blogspot.com/2014/09/imperialism-repressive-tolerance-and.html

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The beginning of modern physics - World Socialist W eb Site

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On 09/12/2014 09:17 AM, Jim Farmelant via Marxism wrote:
> I think the author understates the force of Bellarmine's criticisms of 
> Galileo. There were a number of holes in Galileo's arguments which Bellarmine 
> ably exposed. 

can you give an example or two, Jim?   the bit about the pattern of
sunlight reflection off Venus atmosphere sounds intriguing, hadn’t heard
that one before.

Les




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[Marxism] Fwd: Is 'Progress' Good for Humanity? - The Atlantic

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All of this is to say that the simple-minded narrative of progress needs 
to be rethought. This is not a new idea: In fact, critics of 
industrialization lived throughout the Industrial Revolution, even if 
their message was often drowned out by the clanking sounds of primitive 
engines. In their own particular ways, thinkers and activists as diverse 
as Thomas Malthus, Friedrich Engels, the Luddites, John Stuart Mill, 
Henry David Thoreau, William Wordsworth, and John Muir criticized some 
or all aspects of the Industrial Revolution. The narrative of 
industrial-growth-as-progress that became the story of the period 
occurred despite their varied protestations. The Luddites questioned the 
necessity of machines that put so many people out of work. Engels 
questioned the horrendous living and working conditions experienced by 
the working classes and drew links between economic changes, social 
inequality, and environmental destruction. Thoreau questioned the need 
for modern luxuries. Mill questioned the logic of an economic system 
that spurred endless growth. Muir revalorized the natural world, which 
had been seen as little more than a hindrance to wealth creation and the 
spread of European settler societies around the globe.


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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The beginning of modern physics - World Socialist W eb Site

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I think the author understates the force of Bellarmine's criticisms of Galileo. 
There were a number of holes in Galileo's arguments which Bellarmine ably 
exposed.  Often Galileo was more reliant upon rhetoric than logic. On the other 
hand, Galileo turned out to be right and Bellarmine was wrong. Feyerabend wrote 
about this in Against Method. BTW Feyerabend got most of his understanding of 
the Galileo case from the logical empiricist philosopher and physicist Philipp 
Frank.

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 08:40:48 -0400




Galileo's popularity and a newly established science academy in Rome 
ensured the continued publication of his works and a certain defense 
against the Church and other professional enemies. However, the issue of 
sunspots became the spark for an open clerical attack upon Galileo.

The story of how this debate unfolded is but one example of how the 
church and its privileged office-holders used the Bible to defame 
scientists like Galileo. Galileo himself believed that nothing that was 
discovered in any way conflicted with Scripture and quoted an 
ecclesiastical historian, Cardinal Baronius (1538-1607), who had 
commented: "The Holy Ghost intended to teach us how to go to heaven, not 
how the heavens go." This clever riposte did not save him. As Whitehouse 
points out:

�In his innate conservatism, Cardinal Bellarmine saw the Copernican 
universe as threatening to the social order. To him and to much of the 
Church's upper echelon, the science of the matter was beyond their 
understanding -- and in many cases their interest. They cared more for 
the administration and the preservation of Papal power than they did for 
getting astronomical facts right.�

full: http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/09/09/gali-s09.html


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[Marxism] Israel Crosses the Threshold II: The Nixon Administration Debates the Emergence of the Israeli Nuclear Program

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> Israel Crosses the Threshold II: The Nixon Administration Debates the
> Emergence of the Israeli Nuclear Program
>
> DOD's Paul Warnke Warned in Early 1969 that Israeli Nuclear Program is
> "the Single Most Dangerous Phenomenon in an Area Dangerous Enough Without
> Nuclear Weapons"
>
> President Nixon Overrode Near Consensus of Senior U.S. Officials on Threat
> Posed by Israeli Nuclear Program in 1969
>
> NSSM 40 and Related Records Released in Full for First Time
>
> National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 485
>
> Posted - September 12, 2014
>
> Edited by William Burr and Avner Cohen
>
> For more information contact:
> William Burr - 202/994-7000 or nsarc...@gwu.edu
>
>
> Washington, DC, September 12, 2014 -- During the spring and summer of
> 1969, officials at the Pentagon, the State Department, the Central
> Intelligence Agency, and the National Security Council staff debated and
> discussed the problem of the emergence of a nuclear Israel. Believing that
> Israel was moving very close to a nuclear weapons capability or even
> possession of actual weapons, the Nixon administration debated whether to
> apply pressure to restrain the Israelis or even delay delivery of advanced
> Phantom jets whose sale had already been approved.
>
> Recently declassified documents produced in response to a mandatory
> declassification review request by the National Security Archive, and
> published today by the Archive in cooperation with the Nuclear
> Proliferation International History Project, show that top officials at the
> Pentagon were especially supportive of applying pressure on Israel. On 14
> July 1969, Deputy Secretary of Defense (and Hewlett-Packard co-founder)
> David Packard signed a truly arresting memorandum to Secretary of Defense
> Melvin Laird, arguing that failure to exert such pressure "would involve us
> in a conspiracy with Israel which would leave matters dangerous to our
> security in their hands."
>
> In the end, Laird and Packard and others favoring pressure lost the
> debate. While National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger supported some of
> their ideas, he also believed that, at the minimum, it would be sufficient
> for U.S. interests if Israel kept their nuclear activities secret. As he
> put on his draft memo to President Nixon on or around July 19, "public
> knowledge is almost as dangerous as possession itself." Indeed, Nixon
> opposed pressure and was willing to tolerate Israeli nuclear weapons as
> long as they stayed secret.
>
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Re: [Marxism] Question about People's Climate March

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The march is definitely going to be huge. I'm basing that on the mobilizing
meeting I attended and on discussions and announcements of it, and of
particular contingents, on many sites and lists.
I concur with Joe and Patrick about the event's politics, both the vapidity
of the official program, but also the openings for raising more advanced
politics (and in that regard the efforts in the last couple years of
revolutionaries united in the System Change Not Climate Change coalition
are to be lauded).

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Patrick Bond via Marxism <
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> These are good observations, i.e. that there is a tendency to a vapid
> 'climate action' approach which puts people in the streets with no message,
> no coherent demands, no final rally. The organizers of this march have
> succumbed to this tendency.
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> Maybe the worst of these is the NYC subway advert from Avaaz: "What puts
> hipsters and bankers in the same boat?" (where boat is x-ed out and
> replaced by 'march')
>
> Yikes, the tragedy of the banker 'solution' to climate in the Kyoto
> Protocol (thanks especially to Al Gore), carbon trading, continues.
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> But the alternative - 'climate justice' - is well advanced, albeit going
> through a relative lull at global scale after peaking five years ago in
> Copenhagen. The Friday-Saturday events with more serious political critique
> will include a great new book about climate and capitalism -
> http://thischangeseverything.org/ - from Naomi Klein and many other
> speakers at http://convergeforclimate.org/ (if you come, please say hi on
> the 20th all afternoon at Graffiti Church, 205 E 7th St where I'll be with
> several African comrades).
>
> If you have time next Thursday, The Global Campaign to Demand Climate
> Justice is co-convening a Public Forum featuring "Southern Voices on
> Climate Justice", 2:30 to 5:00 pm at the YMCA Vanderbilt.
>
> Then I gather the following Monday-Tuesday will include direct action,
> including on Wall Street, as well as excellent Global South activists from
> the US claiming "Our Power": http://www.ourpowercampaign.
> org/peoples-climate-justice-summit/
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> See you there!
> Patrick
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[Marxism] Fwd: Obama's ISIL Actions are Defensive, Despite Rhetoric of going on Offense | Informed Comment

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Juan Cole departs from the prevailing Obama as ambitious neocon avatar 
analysis.


http://www.juancole.com/2014/09/defensive-rhetoric-offense.html

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[Marxism] Fwd: A Left Perspective on Kosovo: An Interview with Rron Gjinovci | LeftEast

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V.U.-K. Can you tell me a little bit about the situation in Kosovo? What 
are the main parties and who do they represent? How can the left develop?


Rron Gjinovci: Well, here, we usually say there are no political 
parties, there are only organised crime groups! One of our friends, Mr. 
Shkelzen Gashi said in a newspaper – he was asked about the ruling PDK 
of Hashim Thaci – two members of Thaci’s group split to form a new 
organisation – and our friend said, don’t ask me about this, this is a 
question for Misha Glenny. We are talking about organised crime groups, 
and he is an expert on that. That was in Koha Ditore, and it was 
completely normal for everyone.


Only Vetevendosje! is independent of the international embassies in 
Kosovo, but of course, they do a lot of things in order to be liked by 
the US embassy and other embassies. They want to be independent, but 
they know they cannot have power unless they are friends with certain 
persons, so they are flirting with these  persons and groups, which puts 
them in a hypocritical situation. They constantly change words and sound 
very weird as a consequence. Anyway, all the parties are corrupt and 
they have made many criminal acts. They are blackmailed by certain 
groups of interest. When they are in power they have to serve these 
interests. Mostly, to the US embassy and their interests.


Now it is known that, if Ramush Haradinaj comes to power, if he becomes 
prime minister, he will do a deal for the energy company with Wesley 
Clarke. So he will sell our lignite mines to Clarke’s company. And 
Clarke said something good about Haradinaj in the elections. Meanwhile, 
Thaci would make deals with Christopher Bell, former US ambassador to 
Kosovo, who is now with the well-known company Bechtel, which did a 
highway in Kosovo, which cost Kosovo a lot of money. This was absurd. We 
did not need this – we do not produce. People have jobs in governmental 
institutions and micro-private businesses. We have Trepca but it is not 
really being used. Many public services are going to be privatised. All 
we build are highways. We built one to Albania. And a new highway to 
Skopje. Not because we need it but we because we need to give some money 
to America. This tells you about our political parties.


full: http://www.criticatac.ro/lefteast/left-kosovo-rron-gjinovci/

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[Marxism] Fwd: On the Left or in Russia? The Strange Case of Foreign pro-Kremlin Radical Leftists | KRYTYKA

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Since 1991 pro Kremlin leftists have been either been silent on or 
supportive of regimes in China, North Africa, Syria, North Korea, 
Zimbabwe, the Congo, fundamentalist Islamists, and Arab Baathists. Now 
Putin’s government, and pro Russian neo Nazi and fascist parties can be 
added to the list. Activists, workers, indigenous minorities and groups 
or persons with grievances against, opposed to or miserable due to the 
above listed governments or groups are ignored or condemned. Alongside 
the Russophilism, neo Soviet sympathies, material interest, delusion and 
ignorance that can account for this double standard among pro Kremlin 
leftists, is the anti-Americanism that has overshadowed anti-imperialism 
in their thinking. This world view plays a key role in keeping such 
leftists as amenable to Russian government media and continued Russian 
domination of Ukraine now as they were before 1991.


Anti- Americanism is a set of beliefs that classifies imperialism as a 
singular specific American rather than global phenomenon that discounts 
or ignores competition between imperialists and intra capitalist 
rivalries. Anti- Americanism bears little relation to Lenin's concept of 
rival imperialist ruling classes divided within and engaged in an 
unending struggle with one another that dominated classes groups and 
nations might exploit. Instead, anti- americanists restrict 
“imperialism” to the objectives of a corporate controlled US government 
that supposedly dominates a bloc without fundamental intra ruling- class 
differences. Such a perspective leads believers to see the world as a 
stage for a duel between a capitalist USA and NATO on one side, and 
capitalist Russia on the other ---with possible allies like India Brazil 
and China. On this manichaen stage, Ukraine must remain Russian so the 
US does not get stronger. Middle or working class Ukrainians who see 
benefit in the EU, the massive support for the Maidan, a long tradition 
of Ukrainian anti-colonialism, and the possibility of future support 
from Ukrainian leftists in the fight against neo liberal capitalism 
within the EU, have no place on this stage. Nor does the possibility 
that Ukrainians might prefer the EU to the Russian variant of neo 
liberal capitalism because experience has shown them the latter is more 
destructive and rapacious than the former. Russian-style neo-soviet 
capitalism as exists in Ukraine is not tempered by a strong left 
opposition, trade unions, independent political parties and rule of law 
-- what Marx considered the “bourgeois rights and liberties” established 
in Europe between 1789 and 1914.


full: 
http://krytyka.com/en/community/blogs/left-or-russia-strange-case-foreign-pro-kremlin-radical-leftists


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[Marxism] Fwd: The beginning of modern physics - World Socialist Web Site

[Louis Proyect via Marxism]

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Galileo's popularity and a newly established science academy in Rome 
ensured the continued publication of his works and a certain defense 
against the Church and other professional enemies. However, the issue of 
sunspots became the spark for an open clerical attack upon Galileo.


The story of how this debate unfolded is but one example of how the 
church and its privileged office-holders used the Bible to defame 
scientists like Galileo. Galileo himself believed that nothing that was 
discovered in any way conflicted with Scripture and quoted an 
ecclesiastical historian, Cardinal Baronius (1538-1607), who had 
commented: "The Holy Ghost intended to teach us how to go to heaven, not 
how the heavens go." This clever riposte did not save him. As Whitehouse 
points out:


“In his innate conservatism, Cardinal Bellarmine saw the Copernican 
universe as threatening to the social order. To him and to much of the 
Church's upper echelon, the science of the matter was beyond their 
understanding -- and in many cases their interest. They cared more for 
the administration and the preservation of Papal power than they did for 
getting astronomical facts right.”


full: http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/09/09/gali-s09.html

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[Marxism] Fwd: Argentina enacts law restructuring government debt | World news | theguardian.com

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/12/argentina-law-restructuring-government-debt-default

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[Marxism] Fwd: unit 8200,israeli intelligence,military refusers,conscientious objectors,idf,spying,surveillance,edward snowden Tikun-Olam Tikun Olam-תיקון עולם

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http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/09/12/israels-nsa-staff-refuse-to-fight-palestinians/

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[Marxism] Barry Sheppard on Daniel Bensaid's and Ernie Tate's memoirs of the 'tumultuous' 1960s | Links International Journal of Socialist Renewal

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   */An Impatient Life, a Political Memoir/*
   By Daniel Bensaid
   London: Verso, 2013

   */Revolutionary Activism in the 1950s & 60s:/*/*a Memoir: volume 2,
   Britain 1965-1970*
   /By Ernest Tate
   London: Resistance Books, 2014

   

Reviewed by *Barry Sheppard*

September 9, 2014 -- /Links International Journal of Socialist Renewal/ 
-- These books cover the impact of the worldwide youth radicalisation 
that emerged in the 1960s and 1970s upon two sections of the Fourth 
International, one in France and the other in Britain. In both 
countries, this was a period of tumultuous events, including the US 
invasion of Vietnam and the international movement that erupted against it.


To present the context both books deal with it is necessary to go back a 
bit and provide a brief explanation of the developments in the Fourth 
International during the 1950s and early 1960s.


Full review at http://links.org.au/node/4045

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