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Re: [Marxism] Economics and Michael Roberts

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Phil Ferguson:

'Where do you get the idea vol 3 was written first?

 Vol 1 was published when Marx was alive, vol 3 was *put together by Engels
 after Marx's death*. Engels didn't mistranslate (in either the literal
 sense of the word or in the wider meaning). He worked with Marx
 with nearly 40 years; he didn't misunderstand or mistake Marx's theory of
 crisis.

 Moreover, Vol 3 could not have been written first because all the core
 concepts it is based on didn't exist without vol 1 and 2.

 Also, the three vols play different parts. Vol 1 is about production, vol
 2 is about distribution and vol 3 is about the capitalist system as a 
whole

 and how it actually operates.

 Btw, even as early as the Grundrisse, which precedes vol 1, he noted that
 LTRPF is 'the single most important law of modern political eocnomy'.
 There's no evidence he ever changed his mind. That's why vol 3 spends 50
 pages on the subject.

 'Magnitude over form' has nothing to do with it.'

* * *

Not strictly true in terms of the order of Marx's writing of Capital. I 
happen to be working on an article on this point, and its consequences 
for understanding Capital. I'm pasting and excerpt from the draft below.


I've written about the rate of profit here: 
; 
I also deal with it here: 
.


https://readingmarx.wordpress.com/
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In 1857, the outbreak of economic crisis jolted Marx into an attempt to 
set out his thinking in something resembling systematic form. In 
December he wrote to Engels like this: ‘I am working like mad all night 
and every night collating my economic studies so that I at least get the 
outlines clear before the déluge.’ [1] He wrote a relatively polished 
‘Introduction’, which he later discarded, replacing it with the 
‘Preface’ to the Contribution to a Critique of Political Economy he 
would write in 1859, and a vast (around 1,000 pages in the current 
paperback English translation), sprawling draft outline of his thinking 
on economics, in turn fascinating in the insights it offers on Marx’s 
subsequent work and infuriating in its dense intelligibility. [2]
This outline – the Grundrisse – is considered by many as the ‘first 
draft’ of Capital; it was, of course, as a rough draught, completely 
unpublishable. During the first half of 1858, a deal was reached with a 
German publisher to bring Marx’s work to light. Marx envisaged a plan of 
six books, dealing with (in Marx’s own words [3]): ‘1. On Capital 
(contains a few introductory chapters). 2. On Landed Property. 3. On 
Wage Labour. 4. On the State. 5. International Trade. 6. World Market’. 
The publishing deal envisaged the publication of the work in 
instalments, the first one covering, in three chapters (again in Marx’s 
own words [4]), ‘1. Value, 2. Money, 3. Capital in General (the process 
of production of capital; process of its circulation; the unity of the 
two, or capital and profit; interest)’. As tended to be the case with 
Marx, however, the project, as he drafted, grew to unwieldy size; 
eventually seeing the light of day as a two-chapter (money and 
commodities) book introduced by a ‘Preface’ (in which Marx elaborates 
his famous ‘base’ and ‘superstructure’ metaphor, and which is arguably 
the most interesting part of the book), under the title A Contribution 
to a Critique of Political Economy, in 1859. The slightness of the 
work’s content, amid such expectation among Marx’s admirers, led to its 
eventual appearance being met with indifference on one end of the scale 
and intense disappointment on the other.


Nevertheless, following the publication of the Critique, Marx’s 
intention was to set to work on drafting the chapter on capital. As was 
his custom, however, he soon found himself distracted by other matters – 
in this case a sectarian squabble within German émigré politics (the 
‘Herr Vogt’ case) to which Marx devoted far more time and energy than it 
deserved – and work was interrupted for around eighteen months.


It is clear that the draft that Marx produced over the next two years 
(23 notebooks, known as ‘The Manuscript of 1861-3’, only published in 
full by the MEGA project [5] between 1977 and 1982 [6]) was intended, at 
least at the outset, as a continuation of the Critique (the first 
notebook is headed ‘chapter three’). But after five notebooks – which do 
indeed deal with the transformation 

[Marxism] Guardian: Jamaica calls for Britain to pay billions of pounds in reparations for slavery

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Re: [Marxism] on economics & Michael Roberts

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I can't say that I've read much of Michael Roberts' non-blog work (or that of 
the other new prophets of "the tendency" like Carchedi and Kliman), but I have 
to agree with the old RPE critique (explicated best in Howard Sherman's work) 
of their intellectual forefathers that "the tendency" is a technologically 
determinant view of capitalism that leaves little to no room for the political. 

Then again, having read some of his blog posts on the situation in Greece and 
Ukraine, Roberts does seem to think that there are political solutions to the 
crises in those states that do in fact sound Keynesian. The question that is 
always in the back of my mind when I read those posts is why any revolutionary 
movement should bother to do those things if they will inevitably hit up 
against the immoveable object that is "the tendency"...especially if we all 
acknowledge that socialism in one state is impossible.



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>> On 29 Sep 2015, at 2:51 AM, Gary MacLennan via Marxism 
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>> It seems to me that Roberts tends to dismiss the political and place  all
>> his bets on the economic structure. Thus he has talked of the need for
>> capital to go through a crash to restore profitability.  But that will have
>> to be set within the political.
> 
> Roberts doesn’t write much explicitly about political engagement, but I don’t 
> think this is at all accurate as a reading of his orientation. I don’t have 
> the reference handy, but in at least one of his video lectures he makes very 
> clear that when he speaks of the kind of correction that capital(ism) 
> requires in order to re-establish profitability, he isn’t for a moment 
> advocating that as an ideal solution for workers - rather that it is simply, 
> unavoidably, what capitalism as a system requires in order to perpetuate 
> itself, and Keynesian solutions don’t resolve the underlying tendency towards 
> crisis. He ends the talk by saying something to the effect, “… and that’s 
> what capitalism will have to do in order to restore profitability again next 
> time, unless the working class puts a stop to it and builds a different 
> system.” (Very rough paraphrase from memory.) It’s easy to wish that he would 
> provide more political recommendations, but I think that simply isn’t how he 
> sees his role or his strengths.
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[Marxism] Che Guevara and Seamus Costello

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Next week marks the anniversaries of the murders of two great
revolutionaries, Ernesto 'Che' Guevara and Seamus Costello, thinkers and
fighters who were murdered ten years apart.

Che was murdered (executed) in Bolivia on October 9, 1967 while Seamus was
murdered in Dublin on October 5, 1977.

Seamus was kind of Ireland's Che Guevara.  While Guevara was joining forces
with the Castro brothers and the July 26 Movement, Seamus at just 16 years
old joined the IRA and took part in the 'border campaign'.  Already his
talents were leading to him being dubbed 'the boy general'.

While Che was part of the revolutionary government in Cuba in the early
1960s and then went to fight in the Congo and, subsequently, Bolivia where
he was captured and executed without trial, Seamus had become a member of
the Army Council, the 7-person central leadership of the IRA and was to the
forefront of the political rethinking that was going on in IRA and SF
following the defeat of the 'border campaign'.

With the 1969/1970 split in the Republican Movement, resulting in the
'Officials' and 'Provisionals', Seamus was a key figure in the Officials.
However, the Officials' commitment to revolutionary socialism was quickly
replaced by a virulent strand of pro-Moscow reformism and they began
quickly to retreat on the national question and the armed struggle,  In
1974 Seamus, who was the chief internal critic of the drift of the
Officials, led his supporters out of the Officials and established the
Irish Republican Socialist Party and the INLA.  The new movement attracted
a layer of revolutionary-left activists including Bernadette Devlin.

The Officials, who had been overtaken by the (originally smaller)
Provisionals were determined not to allow themselves to be outflanked from
the left and began to try to violently suppress the IRSP.  Several
activists in the IRSP were murdered and the IRSP struck back in defence.

The Officials' central leadership then decided to kill Costello and he was
shot dead while sitting in his car in the centre of Dublin.  Miriam Daly
then took over as chair of the IRSP before she too was murdered - this time
by the SAS during the 1981 hunger strikes.  (Miriam's husband Jim sometimes
posts here.)

On Seamus Costello see:
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2012/10/26/remembering-seamus-costello-1939-1977/
(this includes an excellent talk given by Louise Minihan of eirigi a couple
of years ago)
see also:
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2014/10/05/remembering-seamus-costello-outstanding-irish-revolutionary/
 (this is a tribute to Seamus by Bernadette Devlin)


On Che, see The Legacy of Che Guevara:
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2011/10/17/the-legacy-of-che/
Che's African Dream:
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2014/10/09/in-review-che-in-africa/
Che's message to the Tricontinental:
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2013/10/10/ches-message-to-the-tricontinental-1967/

Phil
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Re: [Marxism] Further on Mike Roberts and economics

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I think you're a bit of a kidder.  Or a spammer.

The rising organic composition is what brings about the tendency of the
rate of profit to fall.  They're completely inter-related.

Marx spends an entire section of 50 pages in vol 3 on the law of the
tendency of the rate of profit to fall, examing why it falls, what the
countervailing tendencies are, etc etc.

Bourgeois sensibiities are the ones that are always trying to undermine
Marx's revolutionary approaches by doing things like trying to 'disprove'
LTRPF and show how Marx was 'wrong' about this or that and instead
recommending some theory that really does derive from vulgar bourgeois
economics.

Still, at least you're not still claiming he wrote vol 3 first!

Phil

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> Even if u reread v.III, the weight (ie importance) comes down on the
> rising organic comp of capital, not the frop (2 different things) - ur all
> stuck in some bourgeois sensibilities here
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[Marxism] How FAIR is this support for Russian aggression?

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New from Linux Beach:


 How FAIR is this support for Russian aggression?
 


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[Marxism] Marx and LTRPF

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I think you're a bit of a kidder.  Or a spammer.

The rising organic composition is what brings about the tendency of the
rate of profit to fall.  They're completely inter-related.

Marx spends an entire section of 50 pages in vol 3 on the law of the
tendency of the rate of profit to fall, examing why it falls, what the
countervailing tendencies are, etc etc.

Bourgeois sensibiities are the ones that are always trying to undermine
Marx's revolutionary approaches by doing things like trying to 'disprove'
LTRPF and show how Marx was 'wrong' about this or that and instead
recommending some theory that really does derive from vulgar bourgeois
economics.

Still, at least you're not still claiming he wrote vol 3 first!

Phil

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> Even if u reread v.III, the weight (ie importance) comes down on the
> rising organic comp of capital, not the frop (2 different things) - ur all
> stuck in some bourgeois sensibilities here
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[Marxism] Further on Seamus Costello

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Bernadette Devlin tribute to Seamus:
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2014/10/05/remembering-seamus-costello-outstanding-irish-revolutionary/

Miriam Daly tribute to Seamus:
https://theirishrevolution.wordpress.com/2011/10/28/miriam-daly-on-seamus-costello/

And see the text of a key 1969 speech of Costello: “On Democracy and the
Mass Movement”:
https://theirishrevolution.wordpress.com/2011/10/25/seamus-costello-democracy-and-the-mass-movement-speech-feb-1969/
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Re: [Marxism] Marx and LTRPF

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Currently reading Vol. 3.

Ferguson is accurate.  So is Marx.

T

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>I think you're a bit of a kidder.  Or a spammer.
>
>The rising organic composition is what brings about the tendency of the
>rate of profit to fall.  They're completely inter-related.
>
>Marx spends an entire section of 50 pages in vol 3 on the law of the
>tendency of the rate of profit to fall, examing why it falls, what the
>countervailing tendencies are, etc etc.
>
>Bourgeois sensibiities are the ones that are always trying to undermine
>Marx's revolutionary approaches by doing things like trying to 'disprove'
>LTRPF and show how Marx was 'wrong' about this or that and instead
>recommending some theory that really does derive from vulgar bourgeois
>economics.
>
>Still, at least you're not still claiming he wrote vol 3 first!
>
>Phil
>
>On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Jamie  wrote:
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>> Even if u reread v.III, the weight (ie importance) comes down on the
>> rising organic comp of capital, not the frop (2 different things) - ur all
>> stuck in some bourgeois sensibilities here
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Re: [Marxism] Marx and LTRPF

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Thanks Thomas.

Phil

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> Currently reading Vol. 3.
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> Ferguson is accurate.  So is Marx.
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> >rate of profit to fall.  They're completely inter-related.
> >
> >Marx spends an entire section of 50 pages in vol 3 on the law of the
> >tendency of the rate of profit to fall, examing why it falls, what the
> >countervailing tendencies are, etc etc.
> >
> >Bourgeois sensibiities are the ones that are always trying to undermine
> >Marx's revolutionary approaches by doing things like trying to 'disprove'
> >LTRPF and show how Marx was 'wrong' about this or that and instead
> >recommending some theory that really does derive from vulgar bourgeois
> >economics.
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> >Phil
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> wrote:
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> >> Even if u reread v.III, the weight (ie importance) comes down on the
> >> rising organic comp of capital, not the frop (2 different things) - ur
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Re: [Marxism] on economics & Michael Roberts

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Shalva wrote:

"I can't say that I've read much of Michael Roberts' non-blog work (or that
of the other new prophets of "the tendency" like Carchedi and Kliman), but
I have to agree with the old RPE critique (explicated best in Howard
Sherman's work) of their intellectual forefathers that "the tendency" is a
technologically determinant view of capitalism that leaves little to no
room for the political."

Marx's entire life's work is premised on the fact that workers have the
capacity to organise to replace capitalism. Given that reality, that some
Marxists feel the need to claim that the LTRPF "leaves little to no room
for the political" is slightly odd. If it were an inflexible "technologically
determinant view of capitalism", it would have either been objectively
disproved or we would be on an inexorable and rapid path toward the
overthrow of capitalism and the establishment of communism. Instead, the
'LTRPF' is quite clearly described as just that, a *tendency*, and subject
to many countervailing forces, which makes for a fluid and unpredictable
world. It is precisely within that fluidity and unpredictability that the "room
for the political" exists.

Certainly there have been Marxists in the past, and I am sure there are
some today, who see these things in mechanistic and inevitable, rather than
dynamic and dialectical ways. That such people and views exist does not
disprove the LTRPF.
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[Marxism] For masses of anti-aircraft weapons to the FSA to defeat Russian colonial aggression!

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Right now we can see the criminality of the US/CIA deliberate blocking 
of large numbers of manpads (portable anti-aircraft weapons) in 2012, 
that were sent to Turkey from Libya for the Syrian rebels. Of course, we 
could see that criminality the last 4 years under Assad's genocidal 
bombs. But to turn this Russian aggression into Russia's Vietnam will 
require good anti-aircraft weaponry. If before, western peaceniks and 
progressives were squeamish about the demand because they thought 
sending anti-aircraft weapons to rebels to help save the lives of 
thousands of Syrian civilians from Assad's genocidal slaughter was 
"interference into the internal affairs of Syria" (sic), then what new 
measly excuse can they come up with now that the Russian imperialist 
state, the major backer of Assad these 4 years, has launched a massive, 
devastating war of aggression against the people of Homs, Hama, Daraa 
and other centres of the revolution (none of which have any ISIS), 
slaughtering civilians en masse while targeting the Free Syrian Army? 
Well, no doubt the US, which has already essentially welcomed the 
Russian strikes "with conditions", will think of plenty of good reasons 
to continue blocking manpads (when not actually joining in the slaughter 
of non-ISIS rebels, as the US has also done plenty of), and no doubt 
some very wrongly-named "anti-imperialists" will continue to criticise 
the US for, in their imagination, not blocking the manpads enough (?), 
and for not bombing alongside the Russians.


Now this has become a clear anti-colonial war, we need to demand: Let 
the FSA get all the advanced weaponry they need, from whatever source 
wants to send them, above all masses of good quality anti-aircraft 
weapons! 


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[Marxism] Statement from the Civil Society of Russia and the Syrian opposition living in Russia

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Statement from the Civil Society of Russia and the Syrian opposition 
living in Russia:

http://therawrreport.net/article/2015/09/30/statement-civil-society-russia-and-syrian-opposition-living-russia

To Citizens of Russia and people of the democratic countries of the 
world!


The Putin regime, whose leaders have their hands stained with the blood 
of citizens of Ukraine and Russia, has committed a new massacre today by 
sending military aircraft to bomb cities in Syria controlled by 
opposition troops of the Syrian opposition.


Barbaric airstrikes were inflicted within the province of Homs, which is 
controlled by the opposition rebels against the regime of Bashar 
Al-Assad, and it has been reported by rebels that these airstrikes have 
already kllled at least 65 people, most of whom are civilians including 
at least 6 children.


We express our solidarity with the opposition forces against Bashar 
Assad and support their just struggle against the Syrian regime, which 
is responsible for killing hundreds of thousands Syrians.


This monstrous crime is the continuation of the bloody crimes of Putin's 
military operations in Georgia, Ukraine and is the beginning of a new 
war that the bandits of the Kremlin are pulling Russia into.


We, the citizens of Russia, condemn these terrible crimes against the 
friendly Syrian people and we demand the immediate withdrawal of Russian 
troops from Syria and an end to the barbaric bombings.


We call on all citizens of Russia, Ukraine and the world to express 
their outrage of these bloody crimes and to take part in anti-war 
actions under the slogans:


Putin- get out of Ukraine and Syria!

Enough of the bloodshed of innocent civilians!

Hague tribunal for Putin's gang!

Putin, Hands Off Syria! 


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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Free speech for all on campus! Unless you’re criticizing Israel, that is - Salon.com

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https://electronicintifada.net/content/are-pro-israel-bullies-us-campuses-planning-dirtier-tactics/14872?utm_source=EI+readers_campaign=ad7d82cc4b-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_medium=email_term=0_e802a7602d-ad7d82cc4b-290662377

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[Marxism] Fwd: Free speech for all on campus! Unless you’re criticizing Israel, that is - Salon.com

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http://www.salon.com/2015/09/30/free_speech_for_all_on_campus_unless_youre_criticizing_israel_that_is/
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[Marxism] Fwd: Connections :: Turning Points in Wisconsin History

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A radical newspaper from 1967 now online.

http://cdm15932.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/tp/id/86492
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[Marxism] Fwd: Why is Russia stepping up involvement in Syria?

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Alan Woods--another Baathist tool.

http://www.marxist.com/why-is-russia-stepping-up-involvement-in-syria.htm
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