[Marxism] Fwd: This Is What a Shift in Donald Trump’s Rhetoric Looks Like - In These Times

2016-05-10 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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Trump knows what he’s doing, though. His rhetoric is simple, dramatic, 
and repetitive.


Saying NAFTA destroyed the economy flips the Clintonian strength of the 
booming 90s economy into a legacy of weakness. It’s a message that’s 
easy to remember and repeat. NAFTA is also a clue that Trump intends to 
make the election a referendum on the Clintons’ dodgy past. Trump’s best 
chance to overcome his stratospheric negatives is to drag the Clintons 
into the slime—and there is ample fodder even before he fabricates 
accusations. He claimed the next day, “Hillary Clinton wants to abolish 
the Second Amendment.”


In Eugene, Trump stuck to fact, if embellished, about Bill Clinton’s 
personal history with women. Referring to Bill’s past accusers of sexual 
assault, he accused Hillary Clinton of being “an unbelievably, nasty, 
mean enabler and what she did to a lot of those women is disgraceful.” 
The charges could stick—even the New York Times admits they could hurt 
Clinton’s standing among female voters.


More significant, amid the junkyard of catch phrases, demagoguery and 
bloviating, Trump brings up issues neither party’s establishment will 
touch–the downsides of corporate globalization.


He told the crowd, “We have people that are great people … that haven’t 
had a wage increase in 18 years. They’re making effectively less money 
today than they made 18 and 20 years ago.” Two days later he called for 
an increase in the minimum wage, disavowing his earlier opposition, and 
said that after he gets companies to bring jobs back to the United 
States, “the real minimum wage” is going to be “a lot more than the $15 
even.” He added that the wealthy would pay higher taxes (apparently all 
part of his master plan that begins with his proposal to slash the top 
tax rate by more than 35 percent).


That he is now more effectively picking up the torch of Bernie Sanders 
over low wages and inequality in America than Clinton (who is associated 
more with a demand for a $12 minimum wage, though she has said she 
supported some $15 proposals) is a warning of how savvy and 
unpredictable he is. It’s also showboating, but that is intrinsic to his 
appeal.


To understand if he can turn his phenomenal success in the primaries 
into victory in November, I talked to more than 30 people at the rally, 
including 18 Trump supporters. Many explicitly stated they showed up to 
the rally because Trump is “making this fun,” “he’s entertaining,” 
“history is going down.”


Mike, 56, a retired Sacramento County Sheriff’s Deputy who now lives in 
Oregon, said, “We are excited. Trump is unlike anything I’ve ever seen 
in my life.” He wanted to see Trump “shake things up” and was “tired of 
paying everyone else’s bills.” Mike said he supports restrictions on 
immigration, was “tired of the U.S. policing the world” and wanted 
“America to stop being taken advantage of like China does.”


Ben, 56, a maintenance worker at a fruit processing plant, hit similar 
notes. “I just want to be part of this. I want to see a change in the 
status quo and am tired of catering to all the countries in the world.” 
He grumbled about “working to support other people’s way of life,” liked 
“the idea of sealing the Southern border” and wanted to “bring back 
jobs, instead of losing jobs to others.” Ben was also attracted to 
Trump’s personality, “I like the idea he is not P.C. When he says 
something, I can understand him.”


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[Marxism] Dock Ellis pitched a no-hitter on LSD almost 46 years ago

2016-05-10 Thread Greg McDonald via Marxism
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The original title is dated but the message is not. Check out the hilarious
animated video at the bottom of the article.


http://www.avclub.com/article/45-years-ago-today-dock-ellis-pitched-no-hitter-wh-220797?utm_source=facebook_medium=ShareTools_campaign=default

June 12th 1970: One of the most important days in sports history, a day
perhaps bigger than any Stanley Cup victory, any World Series, or any
Superbowl. 45 years ago today, Dock Ellis pitched an eight-walk, 2-0, no
hit-victory while high on LSD.


Ellis, who pitched for the Pittsburgh Pirates, was ahead of his time in the
wild world of sports, not necessarily for his playing style but for his
antics on and off the field. He was a flamboyant loudmouth, a shit-talker,
and one of the most competitive players in the game. He attempted to hit
every batter on the Cincinnati Reds in 1974 and was maced by a security
guard for acting out of pocket in 1972. Ellis was also outspoken about
prejudice and racism in the league. When the pitcher showed up to pregame
workouts with curlers in his hair—that’s how he got his “Superfly”
hairstyle—Baseball Commissioner Bowie Kuhn ordered Ellis never to wear them
on a MLB field again. According to the Baseball Reliquary
,
Ellis complied, but responded “They didn’t put any orders about [Yankees]
star Joe Pepitone when he wore a hairpiece down to his shoulders.” Ellis
has stated that the most scared he’s ever been was attempting to pitch a
game stone cold sober in 1973. However, Dock Ellis is perhaps most famous
for the no-hitter against the San Diego Padres.
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Re: [Marxism] [New post] Ukraine, NATO and Noam Chomsky’s deficits

2016-05-10 Thread Joseph Green via Marxism
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Louis Proyect wrote:

> Unfortunately, given the geopolitical orientation that serves as
> Chomsky' compass, there is a tendency to adopt a Manichean
> understanding of world politics in which the USA symbolizes Darkness.
> While it is true that the USA is evil, it does not follow that those who
> oppose it are pure as the driven snow. Of course, an anarchist like
> Chomsky would never write the same kind of pro-Kremlin propaganda as a
> Seymour Hersh or a Patrick Cockburn, but he has come dangerously close on
> occasion and even wandered into their territory.

As you say, this has appeared before in Chomsky's writing. When he writes 
about the crimes of Western imperialism, he puts forward a type of 
anti-imperialism without the working class, and that leads to the problem you 
refer to, where the viewpoint becomes restricted to one imperialism versus 
another. Back in 2002, I wrote a review of his book  "9-11"; it began as 
follows:

On Chomsky's book '9-11'
Anti-imperialism without the working class
(from "Communist Voice", vol. 8, #3, issue #30,
December 15, 2002)

In the days and weeks after the terrorist attacks of September 11, Noam 
Chomsky gave interviews denouncing the stepped-up militarism which the Bush 
administration unleashed in the name of fighting terrorism. The first month 
of these interviews has been collected in the short book "9-11". No doubt 
Professor Chomsky deserves credit for being among the few prominent public 
figures that immediately ridiculed the pretensions of the Bush government.

But "9-11" also shows the weaknesses of the non-class approach to political 
events. True, Chomsky advocates a sort of anti-imperialism. He lays emphasis 
on the crimes of the US and major European powers against the subordinate 
countries. But there is no class struggle in his picture of the causes behind 
the events of Sept. 11, and of the response to it. He downplays the 
difference between rich and poor outside of the most advanced industrialized 
countries, and ignores it within these countries. Elsewhere he may talk about 
the corporations and the ravages of globalization, but in dealing with the 
issue of war and peace, he apparently thinks that this is out of place. In 
"9-11", imperialism comes out of nowhere, not out of the world system of 
oppression of the poor by the rich. The very word "imperialism" is shunned in 
favor of just mentioning the name of various countries. And book advocates 
that the crimes of Western imperialism--beg pardon, of the US and of 
Europe--will vanish if only governments start obeying international law and 
reasonable rules of conduct.

Chomsky's is a protest against imperialism which appeals to *Reason* with a 
capital "R", rather than looking to find any mass force which can resist 
imperialism. If Chomsky is angry about the chauvinism that has taken hold of 
the "Western intellectuals" whom he denounces, it is because he implicitly 
looks towards the liberal wing of the establishment to rein itself in. With 
his moral rhetoric, he sails far above imperialism, but with his practical 
suggestions, he stays firmly rooted within it.

These days, with the working class movement in crisis all over the world, 
this type of anti-imperialism without a social base is very common. It is 
also as old as imperialism itself. Lenin commented a hundred years ago that

"In the United States, the imperialist war waged against Spain in 1989 
stirred up the opposition of the 'anti-imperialists', the last of the 
Mohicans of bourgeois democracy, who declared this war to be 'criminal', 
regarded the annexation of foreign territories as a violation of the 
Constitution, declared that the treatment of Aguinaldo, leader of the 
Filipinos (the Americans promised him the independence of his country, but 
later landed troops and annexed it), was 'Jingo treachery', and quoted the 
words of Lincoln: 'When the white man governs himself, that is 
self-government; but when he governs himself and also governs others, it is 
no longer self-government; it is despotism. ' But as long as all this 
criticism shrank from recognizing the inseverable bond between imperialism 
and the trusts,. . , while it shrank from joining the forces engendered by 
large-scale capitalism and its development [the working class and its class 
struggle--JG]--it remained a 'pious wish'. " ("Critique of Imperialism", Ch. 
9 of Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism, emphasis added)

Chomsky has been attacked by pro-war liberals such as Christopher Hitchens as 
supposedly justifying the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11. This is the same 

Re: [Marxism] Catherine Samary on Ukraine

2016-05-10 Thread Andrew Pollack via Marxism
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This is f*ing brilliant.
I recently started re-reading her "Yugoslavia Dismembered" because of
all-too-painful parallels with Syria. This new parallel is equally on-point.
And, I should add, all-too-timely now that UNAC's pro-Putin delegation to
Ukraine has issued its report:
https://www.unacpeace.org/
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[Marxism] Moderator's note

2016-05-10 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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Re: [Marxism] "Not anti-zionist" Palestine solidarity,

2016-05-10 Thread A.R. G via Marxism
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This is exactly accurate.

- Amith

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:38 AM, DW via Marxism  wrote:

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> Just a few comments on this. I was not arguing having an anti-Zionist
> position was "good" or "bad" with regards to solidarity with Palestinians.
> Many, perhaps most of the U.S. based university BDS campaigns grew or were
> initiated because of the Israeli assault on Gaza. And that is fine. I was
> merely trying to point out that, in fact, one doesn't have to BE an
> anti-Zionist to express solidarity with Palestinians and that in fact
> many/most/some of the BDS groups specifically are not organized along an
> anti-Zionist program.
>
> In Europe, in France and Spain, BDS has in fact, or has in the past, been
> very much a *political* program in support of the demands of the PA and
> very narrow in regards to what those demands are. And it never presented
> itself as "anti-Zionist". Support for the whole of the BDS program was a
> criteria for this though I'm not sure it is today.] BDS is how the majority
> of actions and support for Palestinians is expressed and is, in fact, the
> broadest framework for discussing all aspects or the Palestinian question,
> including anti-Zionism. That's a good thing, not a bad thing.
>
> As to what "anti-Zionism" is, it means opposing the idea of a Jewish
> homeland in Palestine. Effectively calling for the dismantlement of the
> Zionist state. Anything short of this cannot actually be called
> anti-Zionist. Positions that are opposed at any given time to the Israeli
> government as just that: opposition to this or that policy and has little
> to do with being anti-Zionist. There are Zionists that support BDS for
> moral or liberal reasons. Not many but they exist.
>
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 7:52 AM, Andrew Pollack 
> wrote:
>
> > You're probably right about the endorsers, I admit to not knowing for
> most
> > of the list which front is part of which faction. However it's worth
> > revisiting Omar Barghouti's articles and speeches; my recollection is
> that
> > he's to the left of the PA.
> > In any case here's a group which is working from a clearly independent
> > perspective:
> > http://grassrootsalquds.net/
> >
> > On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:48 AM, DW  wrote:
> >
> >> If you go to the BDS page here:
> >> https://bdsmovement.net/call   (this is the official BDS campaign page
> >> internationally) you will see the 2005 call and those that
> authored/signed
> >> it. The majority or near majority of the groups, including the unions
> and
> >> professional associations, are close to the PA/Fatah. These groups all
> have
> >> varying sets of politics and positions and like all Palestinians, would
> >> love to see a unified and democratic Palestine in the pre-48 borders
> (this
> >> is an assumption on my part) but politically every group there, part of
> >> "Palestine's *civil society*" to use their term, has accommodated
> itself to
> >> the PA. It is, basically, what the PA rests on politically and
> >> organizationally beyond Fatah. I haven't look at *each* group, but if
> one
> >> is for a two-state solution, then one can't really be described as
> >> "anti-Zionist", not if one is willing to allow a Zionist entity to
> continue
> >> to control the pre-1967 borders, IMO.
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 7:33 AM, Andrew Pollack 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What's your evidence Dave for BDS initiators being close to the PA? My
> >>> impression is the exact opposite.
> >>> And those same people have more and more in recent years focused on the
> >>> Right of Return, and are comfortable explaining in public the challenge
> >>> that represents to a Zionist state.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:27 AM, DW via Marxism <
> >>> marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
> >>>
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>  until now so I'm 

Re: [Marxism] "Not anti-zionist" Palestine solidarity,

2016-05-10 Thread DW via Marxism
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Just a few comments on this. I was not arguing having an anti-Zionist
position was "good" or "bad" with regards to solidarity with Palestinians.
Many, perhaps most of the U.S. based university BDS campaigns grew or were
initiated because of the Israeli assault on Gaza. And that is fine. I was
merely trying to point out that, in fact, one doesn't have to BE an
anti-Zionist to express solidarity with Palestinians and that in fact
many/most/some of the BDS groups specifically are not organized along an
anti-Zionist program.

In Europe, in France and Spain, BDS has in fact, or has in the past, been
very much a *political* program in support of the demands of the PA and
very narrow in regards to what those demands are. And it never presented
itself as "anti-Zionist". Support for the whole of the BDS program was a
criteria for this though I'm not sure it is today.] BDS is how the majority
of actions and support for Palestinians is expressed and is, in fact, the
broadest framework for discussing all aspects or the Palestinian question,
including anti-Zionism. That's a good thing, not a bad thing.

As to what "anti-Zionism" is, it means opposing the idea of a Jewish
homeland in Palestine. Effectively calling for the dismantlement of the
Zionist state. Anything short of this cannot actually be called
anti-Zionist. Positions that are opposed at any given time to the Israeli
government as just that: opposition to this or that policy and has little
to do with being anti-Zionist. There are Zionists that support BDS for
moral or liberal reasons. Not many but they exist.


On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 7:52 AM, Andrew Pollack  wrote:

> You're probably right about the endorsers, I admit to not knowing for most
> of the list which front is part of which faction. However it's worth
> revisiting Omar Barghouti's articles and speeches; my recollection is that
> he's to the left of the PA.
> In any case here's a group which is working from a clearly independent
> perspective:
> http://grassrootsalquds.net/
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:48 AM, DW  wrote:
>
>> If you go to the BDS page here:
>> https://bdsmovement.net/call   (this is the official BDS campaign page
>> internationally) you will see the 2005 call and those that authored/signed
>> it. The majority or near majority of the groups, including the unions and
>> professional associations, are close to the PA/Fatah. These groups all have
>> varying sets of politics and positions and like all Palestinians, would
>> love to see a unified and democratic Palestine in the pre-48 borders (this
>> is an assumption on my part) but politically every group there, part of
>> "Palestine's *civil society*" to use their term, has accommodated itself to
>> the PA. It is, basically, what the PA rests on politically and
>> organizationally beyond Fatah. I haven't look at *each* group, but if one
>> is for a two-state solution, then one can't really be described as
>> "anti-Zionist", not if one is willing to allow a Zionist entity to continue
>> to control the pre-1967 borders, IMO.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 7:33 AM, Andrew Pollack 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What's your evidence Dave for BDS initiators being close to the PA? My
>>> impression is the exact opposite.
>>> And those same people have more and more in recent years focused on the
>>> Right of Return, and are comfortable explaining in public the challenge
>>> that represents to a Zionist state.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:27 AM, DW via Marxism <
>>> marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
>>>
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 [I wrote this late last night and didn't see the rest of this...thread
 until now so I'm posting this anyway--DW]

 In fact there is a lot of Palestinian solidarity that is not
 anti-Zionist.
 Most BDS campaigns are narrowly focused on defense of Palestinians,
 especially around Gaza. They don't take positions at all on the issue
 what
 kind of state or program could or should resolve the overall political
 situation.

 The actual BDS campaign as it was conceived by the original singers
 (all of
 whom supported the two-state solution) all of whom were or are close to
 the
 Palestinian Authority on the West Bank are not specifically
 

[Marxism] Fwd: In the Land of the Headhunters | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

2016-05-10 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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Catching up on some screeners that have been piling up on my shelves for 
at least two years, I watched “In the Land of the Headhunters” 
yesterday, a film that despite its lurid title is as important to film 
scholars and students of American Indian history—both professional and 
amateur (like me)—as “Nanook of the North”.


full: https://louisproyect.org/2016/05/10/in-the-land-of-the-headhunters/
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[Marxism] Proof that Turkey supports ISIS

2016-05-10 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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Like a rope supports a hanging man...

WSJ, May 10, 2016
Turkey’s Elite Force Stages Raid Against Islamic State Fighters in Syria
Operation is part of a bid to push IS away from a vital 60-mile stretch 
of the Turkey-Syria border

By DION NISSENBAUM

ISTANBUL—Turkey’s special military force carried out an unusual weekend 
operation against Islamic State fighters in Syria as part of an 
increasingly risky campaign against the extremist group, U.S. officials 
said Tuesday.


A small group of elite Turkish soldiers entered Syria on Saturday to 
help more effectively target Islamic State fighters that have been 
launching rocket attacks into Turkey for weeks, American officials said.


The operation is part of an evolving effort by the Turkish military to 
push Islamic State away from a vital 60-mile stretch of the Turkey-Syria 
border that serves as the group’s main lifeline.


Turkish officials didn't respond to requests for comment about the 
military operation. American officials said that Turkey informed the 
U.S.-led military coalition about the move.


The military strike came as Turkey faces increasing domestic pressure to 
bring a halt to Islamic State rocket attacks targeting the Turkish 
border town of Kilis, where at least 20 people have been killed this 
year by strikes from Syria.


Turkey and the U.S. have been working with Syrian rebels for weeks in an 
effort to push Islamic State away from the border and close off the 
militant group’s vital routes through Turkey used to send fighters to 
carry out attacks in Europe and ferry in reinforcements.


Islamic State has responded to the Turkey-U.S. operation by stepping up 
its rocket attacks on Kilis, the Turkish town nominated this year for a 
Nobel Peace Prize for accepting so many Syrian refugees.


Turkish artillery units along the border have so far failed to 
effectively respond to the Islamic State threat. The U.S. military is 
preparing to send an advanced rocket system to the Turkey-Syria border 
to help. But the Islamic State attacks continue to hit Kilis nearly 
every day.


Turkish military operations in Syria risk antagonizing President Bashar 
al-Assad and Russia, which is providing the Syrian leader with vital 
military support.


Last year, Turkey sent hundreds of troops into Syria to rescue dozens of 
Turkish soldiers guarding a historic Ottoman tomb that was at risk of 
being seized by Islamic State.

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[Marxism] Fwd: How Donald Trump is running to the left of Hillary Clinton - The Washington Post

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-donald-trump-is-running-to-the-left-of-hillary-clinton/2016/05/09/ebde82da-147c-11e6-8967-7ac733c56f12_story.html
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[Marxism] Fwd: 'Everyone’s outraged': angry Greeks foresee Grexit and drachma's revival | World news | The Guardian

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[Marxism] Irish Anti-Water Charges Camoaign

2016-05-10 Thread Paddy Hackett via Marxism
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Concerning Einde's criticism of my posting:

Dáil deputies can hardly be described as capitalists by virtue of their Dáil 
incomes. An annual income of 100,000 euro does not necessarily define the 
person receiving such an income as a capitalist. Such a person would probably 
count as middle class. Recall that tax is deducted from this income. Even if a 
plain factory worker earned 100,000 euro s/he is still a worker by virtue of 
selling her/his labour power.

As for Marx he was not infallible.

Take Care
Paddy Hackett

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