[Marxism] SOIL ALLIANCE resource hub

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Hello Dave Riley,

you are basically saying: if we do it right, we can produce so much with
a limited planet that there is no need to restrict meat consumption, even if
we are 7-9 billion people, and even if climate change drastically
reduces what can be grown where.  This does not convince me.  The only
reason why people in the rich countries can eat so much meat is that they
also consume the share of the people in the poor countries, and that
they pump fossil water using fossil fuels etc.  This is a destructive
process which has to be reined in.  In order to allow the poor people a
place at the table, we must change our wasteful eating habits.  Meat
consumption must be severely restricted.  We must share the world with
all other humans living now, with our descendants, and with other
species.  Right now we are using too much on all three counts.

Hans G Ehrbar

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Re: [Marxism] SOIL ALLIANCE resource hub

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I'm not aware that 'cheap' meats were being defended...
But grazing animals and husbandry -- certainly are.
Since the core  debate lies at the belly of herbivores there is a
complication in that some eco-socialists and agro ecologists advocate
MORE herbivores being grazed  under regenerative/rotational protocols.
The argument for this is complicated in way of carbon sequestration
and soil renewal, but  in locales like Australia the debate is also
referenced by the long lost role of megafauna as it relates to
bushfires and a drying continent, drought and vegetative cover.
This is especially true of the northern section of the continent.
While I agree with Hans' argument for mixed agroecology the nub of the
debate is that in rangelands -- tallgrass and shortgrass prairies,
desert grasslands and shrublands, woodlands, savannas, chaparrals,
steppes, and tundras--
which cover something like 50% of the planet's land surface,
horticulture --aside from 'grass farming' -- isn't feasible.
Intensive grazing may be disastrous, but rotational grazing is not as
it replicates the ecological impact of  indigenous grazing herds.
The site carries a lot of information about this prospect., especially
in regards to the consolidation of soil carbon:SOC.
The presumption that we can simply replace rangeland grazing with
horticulture is not feasible in most of these regions. However,
complex integration of grazing and grain production is practical  in
many areas so long as the stalk is returned to the soil (as in
'straw'). In similar mode, domestic animals should be a source of most
of our fertilizers for horticulture and that presumes not only their
presence in the landscape, but active management of their wastes.
This leads into the ongoing impact of  Inorganic Chemical Nitrogenous
Fertilizer on the planet -- on waterways, run off, sustainable soil
health,plant nutrition, energy use (in their production) and the
looming phosphorus shortage.
Reducing the discussion to 'meat' -- for or against -- obscures a much
more significant reality and one that is disparaged by 'Cowspiracy'
obscurantism.
But the worse consequence of all is the argument that by not eating
meat -- or engaging in husbandry -- we can save the planet from
climate change. That trend in the climate change movement is
disastrous as it deflects attention from the main drivers of
greenhouse gases --energy production, transport ... in effect,
capitalism.
Instead, the cows are scapegoated.

dave riley


On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:45 AM,   wrote:

> The Soil Alliance are very good at criticizing corporate land grabs
> which drive small farmers off the land, and other profiteering from
> environmental crisis.  I fully agree with them there.  But I think they
> are wrong to defend meat consumption and cheap meat, by the reasoning
> that meat must be cheap so that the working class can eat meat.  The
> planet is simply not big enough to give everybody their daily
> hamburgers.  The increasing cultural aversion against meat is a good
> thing and not a "consumption shibboleth."
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[Marxism] SOIL ALLIANCE resource hub

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Ratbag media wrote about the Soil Alliance

http://soilalliance.blogspot.com.au/

> In the context of the current trend to impose consumption shibboleths
> on agriculture, the SOIL ALLIANCE  tries to capture some of the
> reality of working the soil in the face of climate change impacts and
> contemporary capitalism.

The Soil Alliance are very good at criticizing corporate land grabs
which drive small farmers off the land, and other profiteering from
environmental crisis.  I fully agree with them there.  But I think they
are wrong to defend meat consumption and cheap meat, by the reasoning
that meat must be cheap so that the working class can eat meat.  The
planet is simply not big enough to give everybody their daily
hamburgers.  The increasing cultural aversion against meat is a good
thing and not a "consumption shibboleth."  Eco-socialists should promote
good nutrition for everyone, nobody needs to be malnourished, and this
can be done much better with small-scale diversified eco-agriculture
than with industrial agriculture.  An excellent recent report about this
is "From Uniformity to Diversity: A paradigm shift from industrial
agriculture to diversified agroecological systems."

http://www.ipes-food.org/reports

But complete and tasty diets do not need meat.  Meat is a luxury and not
a necessity.  I think in the rich countries it is our moral duty to
consume much less of it, but when we indulge in it, it should be high
quality meat.  This is a good way to decrease the consumption footprint
of people in the rich countries.  If we do this, then if will not feel
so wrong to tell those still living in poverty that meat will always be
something special and not a daily cheap staple.

Hans G Ehrbar



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[Marxism] Self-organization in the Syrian Revolution

[Andrew Pollack via Marxism]

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http://www.socialistproject.org/issues/august-2016/self-organisation-syrian-revolution/
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[Marxism] Arno Mayer's "Why the Heavens Did Not Darken"

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A 60 percent discount on a great book.

https://www.versobooks.com/books/1056-why-did-the-heavens-not-darken
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[Marxism] My latest stuff on Syria

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I just published Russia now "carpet bombing" Syria from bases in Iran and
then updated it with a shot at counterpunch
Famous last words: Counterpunch on Russia withdrawal
http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2016/08/russia-now-carpet-bombing-syria-from.html

also recent
40 years after 'Vietnam' napalm returns to human skin in Syria
http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2016/08/40-yrs-after-vietnam-napalm-returns-to.html

97 civilians killed by air strikes in Syria yesterday
http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2016/08/97-civilians-killed-by-air-strikes-in.html

Clay Claiborne, Director
Vietnam: American Holocaust 
Linux Beach Productions
Venice, CA 90291
(310) 581-1536

Read my blogs at the Linux Beach 

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[Marxism] If people spoke about Yemen the way they do Syria

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Posted to FB by Oz Katerji:

"Hospital? What hospital? it was a Houthi military facility."

"Can you prove it was a Saudi air strike? It was probably Houthi shelling."

"The Houthis bombed the hospital in a false flag attack to trigger 
anti-Saudi sentiment"


"We can't tell for sure who targeted the hospital, let's stop with this 
anti-Saudi propaganda"


"Every week there is a new "hospital" hit, more imperialist lies"

"Houthis use this hospital as a staging point for rocket attacks"

"MSF are a pro-Houthi NGO, everything they say is Iranian funded lies to 
smear the legitimate Saudi government"


"Bad things happen in war, but worse things will happen if the Saudis 
let the Houthis win"

etc etc etc etc

Targeting hospitals is a war crime, those responsible should be held 
accountable in a court of international law. This goes for Afghanistan, 
Yemen and Syria. There are some though who choose to only show outrage 
when hospitals are bombed in Yemen and say quite literally nothing when 
they are bombed in Syria. Writers like The Intercept's Glenn Greenwald, 
Salon's Benjamin Norton, AlterNet's Adam Johnson, Electronic Intifada's 
Asa Winstanley make a living off this, remember their names, remember 
their hypocrisy, remember their complicity and remember their silence. 
If blood only has a value to someone based on the nationality of the 
fighter pilot then their opinion is worth less than dirt.

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[Marxism] On what signifiance that layers of the Britsih Communist Party couls be moving towards supporting Trotsky's fight against Stalinism?

[Anthony Brain via Marxism]

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 What does the possible support for Trotsky’s fight against Stalinism in a 
Communist Party of Britain historical magazine represents? by Anthony Brain

  
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[Marxism] A historical magazine published by the Communist Party of Britain appears to move in direction of supporting Trotsky's fight against Stalinism!

[Anthony Brain via Marxism]

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 https://www.lwbooks.co.uk/sites/default/files/tcc10_01editorial.pdf
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[Marxism] Fwd: Clinton Transition Team Headed by Anti-Climate 'Powerbroker' | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community

[Louis Proyect via Marxism]

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Hillary Clinton has named her transition team should she be elected in 
November, and the roster—as many feared—is a who's-who of establishment 
figures, including former Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, who has a 
maligned track record on climate.


The team will also include former national security adviser Tom Donilon, 
former Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, president of the Center for 
American Progress (CAP) Neera Tanden, and director of Harvard 
University's Institute of Politics Maggie Williams. Two of the 
campaign's policy advisers, Ed Meier and Ann O'Leary, will also serve as 
co-executive directors.


Salazar, whose career includes positions both in government and 
corporate Washington, D.C. firms, has previously pushed for projects 
that are reviled among environmental activists, such as fracking, the 
Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP), and the Keystone XL pipeline.


full: 
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/08/16/clinton-transition-team-headed-anti-climate-powerbroker

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[Marxism] When Hitler invaded the USSR

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I asked him to call Stalin to the phone.

‘What? Now Comrade Stalin is asleep.’

‘Wake him at once. The Germans are bombing our cities.’ About three 
minutes later Stalin picked up the receiver.


I reported the situation and requested permission to begin retaliatory 
action. Stalin was silent. I heard only the sound of his breathing.


‘Do you understand me?’ I said.

Silence again.

At last Stalin asked: ‘Where is the commissar of defence?’

‘Talking with the Kiev district.’

. . . The commissar of defence and I were called in. Stalin, his face 
white, was sitting at the table cradling a tobacco-filled pipe in his 
hand. He said:


‘We must immediately phone the German embassy.’

. . . A while later Molotov hurried into the office and said, ‘The 
German government has declared war on us.’


Stalin lowered himself to his chair and fell into deep thought. A long 
and heavy pause ensued.


I took the risk of breaking the prolonged silence and proposed that we 
come down with all the strength of our forces in the border districts 
upon the enemy units that had broken through in order to detain any 
further enemy advance.


‘Not detain, but destroy,’ Timoshenko corrected me. ‘Issue a directive,’ 
said Stalin.


G. Zhukov, "Reminiscences and Reflections"
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[Marxism] Fwd: The real problem with Jill Stein

[Louis Proyect via Marxism]

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An interesting article attacking the Greens from the left. The author 
asks why we can't run a campaign like Eugene V. Debs ran. Maybe that's a 
function of the lack of a mass socialist movement that worked closely 
with a mass anarcho-syndicalist movement. But who cares? As Henry Ford 
put it, history is bunk.


http://libcom.org/news/real-problem-jill-stein-15082016
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Re: [Marxism] G. A. Cohen

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Please look at this special issue
http://www.analyse-und-kritik.net/en/
 
 
From: "Jim Farmelant" 
To: "MM" , "Activists and scholars in Marxist
tradition" 
Subject: Re: [Marxism] G. A. Cohen
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There is also Jerry Cohen?s Marxist Boxing Match, which I think is still funny, 
although neither Habermas nor Roemer, would I think be considered to be 
Marxists anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb1R3mjyZqc


Jim Farmelant
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From: MM 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 8:33 PM
To: Jim Farmelant ; Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition 
Subject: Re: [Marxism] G. A. Cohen

 On Aug 5, 2016, at 8:14 PM, Jim Farmelant via Marxism  wrote:

 It has been seven years since the passing of the Canadian/British political 
philosopher G. A. Cohen.


Cohen?s piss-taking impression of his advisor Ryle is magnificent, and 
hilarious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80AovwgVY8Q
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[Marxism] Uprising hits US city, Milwaukee, after cops kill another Black man

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"And, no, it's not going to end today. I can't tell you it's going to end
tomorrow. I don't know when it's going to end. But it's for y'all to
start." This is what Sedan Smith, the brother of Sylville Smith, the
23-year-old African American man shot dead by police, told *Democracy Now! *on
August 15.

"This is what you get! We're not the ones killing us! You're killing us! We
can't make a change if you all don't change."

https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/62444
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