Re: [Marxism] seeking Henry Kissinger's endorsement

2016-09-05 Thread Clay Claiborne via Marxism
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This is what I'm seriously trying to understand. Just as an example A.R.F.
you give this summation:

 the Republicans are in a similar place as us, but for
> different reasons: they, too, do not see "their" candidate on the ballot. I
> think it was obvious that most of the traditional Republican Party types
> were backing Rubio and Cruz. Now they're being expected to endorse the guy
> who insulted them and their families, who accused the last GOP President of
> failing to stop 9/11 (while hanging out with people who think he was in on
> it), who mocked one of the last GOP nominees for being captured and
> tortured by communist guerrillas in Vietnam, and who spent much of his time
> in the orbit of the Clintons. On the other hand, they have Clinton, who
> they and their party machine have spent decades painting as a Communist (if
> only!).
>
> So I would not put too much stock into who the Republicans end up
> endorsing, whether Clinton, Trump, Johnson or nobody. They are in panic
> mode as their party collapses.


And the national question doesn't enter the discussion at all. Its like the
above is just about how white people see the election. Differences around
McCain get mentioned, differences around the national question ignored. I
mean why is the GOP collapsing? Doesn't the national question loom large on
that question? How about the Brexit vote? the AfD victory? I see a growing
white nationalist influence in all of this, but generally speaking, people
on this list don't.   People of color don't spend 2 paragraphs on this
election without touch on the questions of white nationalist, Trump's
hateful message and dangerous threats. I'm trying to understand why it is
so different here. I know you are all tired of hearing from me about it but
I'm just trying to understand the disconnect.

Regards,

Clay

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> My guess is that the Republicans are in a similar place as us, but for
> different reasons: they, too, do not see "their" candidate on the ballot. I
> think it was obvious that most of the traditional Republican Party types
> were backing Rubio and Cruz. Now they're being expected to endorse the guy
> who insulted them and their families, who accused the last GOP President of
> failing to stop 9/11 (while hanging out with people who think he was in on
> it), who mocked one of the last GOP nominees for being captured and
> tortured by communist guerrillas in Vietnam, and who spent much of his time
> in the orbit of the Clintons. On the other hand, they have Clinton, who
> they and their party machine have spent decades painting as a Communist (if
> only!).
>
> So I would not put too much stock into who the Republicans end up
> endorsing, whether Clinton, Trump, Johnson or nobody. They are in panic
> mode as their party collapses.
>
> I really think we should spend less time discussing the same stuff over and
> over about Clinton and Trump and more time discussing what a long-term
> strategy after November looks like. It seems that most of you have resigned
> yourselves to voting Green. I am doing the same, but A) I don't live in a
> state where it matters and B) that is only a ritual I do every 4 years,
> it's not much of a plan. Perhaps we should discuss that instead.
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Re: [Marxism] seeking Henry Kissinger's endorsement

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Yes, so let's talk about what that Clinton-less strategy looks like instead.


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Re: [Marxism] seeking Henry Kissinger's endorsement

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We've heard promises about long-term strategies in 2008 and again in 2012.
They never happened.

No strategy that isn't ready, willing and able to take on newly elected
President Clinton and her administration will amount to a hill of beans and
won't be worth the electrons wasted to write it up.  Because the
alternative is a strategy predicated on defending the administration you
just helped put into power.  We saw that through two terms of Obama.

And, yes, in the narrow possibility that Trump wins, we will have to take
him on.  But any strategy predicated on making common cause with the likes
of Paul Wolfowitz, John Negroponte, etc. is nuts.  And, remember, that
these are not just people who've endorsed Clinton but people she has
publicly welcomed into her camp.

ML


On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 9:05 PM, A.R. G  wrote:

> My guess is that the Republicans are in a similar place as us, but for
> different reasons: they, too, do not see "their" candidate on the ballot. I
> think it was obvious that most of the traditional Republican Party types
> were backing Rubio and Cruz. Now they're being expected to endorse the guy
> who insulted them and their families, who accused the last GOP President of
> failing to stop 9/11 (while hanging out with people who think he was in on
> it), who mocked one of the last GOP nominees for being captured and
> tortured by communist guerrillas in Vietnam, and who spent much of his time
> in the orbit of the Clintons. On the other hand, they have Clinton, who
> they and their party machine have spent decades painting as a Communist (if
> only!).
>
> So I would not put too much stock into who the Republicans end up
> endorsing, whether Clinton, Trump, Johnson or nobody. They are in panic
> mode as their party collapses.
>
> I really think we should spend less time discussing the same stuff over
> and over about Clinton and Trump and more time discussing what a long-term
> strategy after November looks like. It seems that most of you have resigned
> yourselves to voting Green. I am doing the same, but A) I don't live in a
> state where it matters and B) that is only a ritual I do every 4 years,
> it's not much of a plan. Perhaps we should discuss that instead.
>
> - Amith
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Re: [Marxism] seeking Henry Kissinger's endorsement

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My guess is that the Republicans are in a similar place as us, but for
different reasons: they, too, do not see "their" candidate on the ballot. I
think it was obvious that most of the traditional Republican Party types
were backing Rubio and Cruz. Now they're being expected to endorse the guy
who insulted them and their families, who accused the last GOP President of
failing to stop 9/11 (while hanging out with people who think he was in on
it), who mocked one of the last GOP nominees for being captured and
tortured by communist guerrillas in Vietnam, and who spent much of his time
in the orbit of the Clintons. On the other hand, they have Clinton, who
they and their party machine have spent decades painting as a Communist (if
only!).

So I would not put too much stock into who the Republicans end up
endorsing, whether Clinton, Trump, Johnson or nobody. They are in panic
mode as their party collapses.

I really think we should spend less time discussing the same stuff over and
over about Clinton and Trump and more time discussing what a long-term
strategy after November looks like. It seems that most of you have resigned
yourselves to voting Green. I am doing the same, but A) I don't live in a
state where it matters and B) that is only a ritual I do every 4 years,
it's not much of a plan. Perhaps we should discuss that instead.

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Re: [Marxism] seeking Henry Kissinger's endorsement

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I get it, Clay.  As you say, you are agreeing with the Reagan and Bush
people whose support your candidate embraces.

The question is whether you get it.
On Sep 5, 2016 6:27 PM, "Clay Claiborne"  wrote:

> Former members of Republican administrations are "crossing over" precisely
> because they see Trump as an extreme white nationalist and not a
> Republican. Its the Green Party argument that he is just another Repub.
> like, paradoxically, many that are defecting. These Republicans probably
> would agree with me that Trump has hijacked the GOP.
>
> I'm complaining that you again failed to address my main points which are
> that Trump is the leader of a white nationalist movement and will bring
> the alt-right white nationalist gang to power in the WH and that if
> qualitatively different from Obama or Bush.
>
> Clay Claiborne, Director
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> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Mark Lause  wrote:
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>> So you're complaining because I didn't suggest compiling a list of former
>> members of a Democratic administration crossing over to support Trump to
>> mirror the suggestion that we keep a running list of former members of
>> Republican administrations crossing over to agree with you in supporting
>> Clinton--who has publicly embraced their support and not yours . . . .
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>> Said list follows . . . .
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[Marxism] [UCE] Fwd: Samir Amin: How to Defeat the Collective Imperialism of the Triad - Defend Democracy Press

2016-09-05 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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The role of China is very big, because it is, perhaps, the only country 
in the world today, which has a sovereign project. That means that it is 
trying to establish a pattern of modern industry, in which of course, 
private capital has a wide place, but it is under the strict control of 
the state.


full: 
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What an interesting interpretation. I wonder if Amin has read this:

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150402-the-worst-place-on-earth

From where I'm standing, the city-sized Baogang Steel and Rare Earth 
complex dominates the horizon, its endless cooling towers and chimneys 
reaching up into grey, washed-out sky. Between it and me, stretching 
into the distance, lies an artificial lake filled with a black, 
barely-liquid, toxic sludge.


Dozens of pipes line the shore, churning out a torrent of thick, black, 
chemical waste from the refineries that surround the lake. The smell of 
sulphur and the roar of the pipes invades my senses. It feels like hell 
on Earth.


Welcome to Baotou, the largest industrial city in Inner Mongolia. I'm 
here with a group of architects and designers called the Unknown Fields 
Division, and this is the final stop on a three-week-long journey up the 
global supply chain, tracing back the route consumer goods take from 
China to our shops and homes, via container ships and factories.

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Re: [Marxism] seeking Henry Kissinger's endorsement

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Former members of Republican administrations are "crossing over" precisely
because they see Trump as an extreme white nationalist and not a
Republican. Its the Green Party argument that he is just another Repub.
like, paradoxically, many that are defecting. These Republicans probably
would agree with me that Trump has hijacked the GOP.

I'm complaining that you again failed to address my main points which are
that Trump is the leader of a white nationalist movement and will bring
the alt-right white nationalist gang to power in the WH and that if
qualitatively different from Obama or Bush.

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On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Mark Lause  wrote:

> So you're complaining because I didn't suggest compiling a list of former
> members of a Democratic administration crossing over to support Trump to
> mirror the suggestion that we keep a running list of former members of
> Republican administrations crossing over to agree with you in supporting
> Clinton--who has publicly embraced their support and not yours . . . .
>
> Said list follows . . . .
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Re: [Marxism] seeking Henry Kissinger's endorsement

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So you're complaining because I didn't suggest compiling a list of former
members of a Democratic administration crossing over to support Trump to
mirror the suggestion that we keep a running list of former members of
Republican administrations crossing over to agree with you in supporting
Clinton--who has publicly embraced their support and not yours . . . .

Said list follows . . . .
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Re: [Marxism] seeking Henry Kissinger's endorsement

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Mark,
No need to jump to insults.

When I said no plans to protest Trump, I was referring to your suggestion
that this list gather a list and circulate it to protest Clinton. I haven't
seen any proposals put forward to protest Trump on this list but perhaps I
missed them.

Perhaps, I also missed were Jill Stein targeted Trump as almost founder of
the birhter movement and a national leader of the white nationalist
movement, about his new campaign leadership and their connect of
alt-right,1488 and extreme racists elements. Also Trump's connects to white
nationalist militias.

Perhaps I need to be educated so please send me a link to the best Jill
Stein piece on these questions because from what I've seem she says almost
nothing about his white nationalism. This is typical of most Green Party
and "anri-imperialist" complaints about Trump, to be sure, there are plenty
but somehow they always miss the key difference between the Trump campaign
and the Clinton campaign - there different relationships with white
nationalisms, white nationalist organizations and leadership.

Here's an example from Chris Hedges on DN today:

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/9/5/chris_hedges_vs_robert_reich_on

CHRIS HEDGES: Well, reducing the election to personalities is kind of
> infantile at this point.

Is this his opinion of non-white people that overwhelmingly oppose Trump?

> The fact is, we live in a system that Sheldon Wolin calls inverted
> totalitarianism. It’s a system where corporate power has seized all of the
> levers of control.

Then there is nothing we can do - don't even try to organize a strike or
rebellion - he also blames the Libyans and Syrians for even trying.

> There is no way to vote against the interests of Goldman Sachs or
> ExxonMobil or Raytheon.

That would seem to make even voting for the Green Party futile.

> We’ve lost our privacy. We’ve seen, under Obama, an assault against civil
> liberties that has outstripped what George W. Bush carried out.
>

No clue here that the 2 campaigns have very different relations to the kkk

>
> So, is Trump a repugnant personality? Yes. Although I would argue that in
> terms of megalomania and narcissism, Hillary Clinton is not far behind. But
> the point is, we’ve got to break away from—which is exactly the narrative
> they want us to focus on. We’ve got to break away from political
> personalities and understand and examine and critique the structures of
> power. And, in fact, the Democratic Party, especially beginning under Bill
> Clinton, has carried water for corporate entities as assiduously as the
> Republican Party. This is something that Ralph Nader understood long before
> the rest of us, and stepped out very courageously in 2000. And I think we
> will look back on that period and find Ralph to be an amazingly prophetic
> figure. Nobody understands corporate power better than Ralph. And I think
> now people have caught up with Ralph.
>
>
> The fact is, Clinton has a track record, and it’s one that has abandoned
> children. I mean, she and her husband destroyed welfare as we know it, and
> 70 percent of the original recipients were children. This debate over—I
> don’t like Trump, but Trump is not the phenomenon. Trump is responding to a
> phenomenon created by neoliberalism. And we may get rid of Trump, but we
> will get something even more vile, maybe Ted Cruz.
>

Do you see what I mean? Plenty of criticism of Trump. That's not my
complaint. My complaint is that this is typical of the Green
Party/anti-imperialist "complaints" about Trump - they generally share
three characteristics 1) They steer clear of the national question
[generally sticking to just economics-as if those were the only defining
questions of 2016 ]  2) They ignore Trump's history as a particularly mean
and racist billionaire class capitalist to claim Clinton has a track record
but The Donald doesn't. 3) Using the advantages 1) & 2) give to them,
manage to balance the scales so that Clinton looks like the greater of two
evils in any case.


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On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Mark Lause  wrote:

> Stein complains continually about Trump.  Are you deaf?  Dumb?  Blind?  Or
> just operating on the usual yankee-doodledy faith-based politics?
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Re: [Marxism] seeking Henry Kissinger's endorsement

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Stein complains continually about Trump.  Are you deaf?  Dumb?  Blind?  Or
just operating on the usual yankee-doodledy faith-based politics?
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[Marxism] Fwd: The Sentimental History of Communism – Mihai-Dan Cirjan

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https://mdcirjan.com/2016/09/05/sentimental-history-communism/
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[Marxism] Fwd: The problem with anti-Semitism | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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On the Christopher Bollyn controversy.

https://louisproyect.org/2016/09/05/the-problem-with-anti-semitism/
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Re: [Marxism] FYI - I suspect a lot of other Syrians feel the same way

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Those words are not okay, nor did I say they were okay. Some words which
can't be used here are regularly used by some working class and minorities
who are not backwards in other respects. I won't unfriend them for that.

When your narrow culture framework becomes the ground upon which you judge
others. When the word used becomes more important than its content. Then
you are lost.

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> How about the N word, homophobic words, anti-Muslim words? Are those OK in
> the attempt to "connect" to the (backward sections) of the working class
> and minority communities?? Sadly, his defending the most common
> misogynistic term has caused me to lose respect for Clay.
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>> And again, if you make use of the word bitch a litmus test your will limit
>> your connects, especially in working class and minority communities.
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Re: [Marxism] FYI - I suspect a lot of other Syrians feel the same way

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How about the N word, homophobic words, anti-Muslim words? Are those OK in
the attempt to "connect" to the (backward sections) of the working class
and minority communities?? Sadly, his defending the most common
misogynistic term has caused me to lose respect for Clay.

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> And again, if you make use of the word bitch a litmus test your will limit
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Re: [Marxism] FYI - I suspect a lot of other Syrians feel the same way

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On 9/5/16 10:39 AM, Clay Claiborne wrote:

And again, if you make use of the word bitch a litmus test your will
limit your connects, especially in working class and minority communities.


I have different expectations from Robin Yassin-Kassab than I do from a 
construction worker. I would also unsub anybody who used a word like 
bitch on Marxmail, especially in light of complaints aired in the past 
about the absence of female contributors to the discussion.


In any case, this is a useful reminder of how Russian Marxists dealt 
with the use of demeaning language after 1917:


Abusive language and swearing are a legacy of slavery, humiliation, and 
disrespect for human dignity—one’s own and that of other people. This is 
particularly the case with swearing in Russia. I should like to hear 
from our philologists, our linguists and experts in folklore, whether 
they know of such loose, sticky, and low terms of abuse in any other 
language than Russian. As far as I know, there is nothing, or nearly 
nothing, of the kind outside Russia. Russian swearing in “the lower 
depths” was the result of despair, embitterment and, above all, slavery 
without hope, without escape. The swearing of the upper classes, on the 
other hand, the swearing that came out of the throats of the gentry, the 
authorities, was the outcome of class rule, slaveowner’s pride, 
unshakable power. Proverbs are supposed to contain the wisdom of the 
masses—Russian proverbs show besides the ignorant and the superstitious 
mind of the masses and their slavishness. “Abuse does not stick to the 
collar,” says an old Russian proverb, not only accepting slavery as a 
fact, but submitting to the humiliation of it. Two streams of Russian 
abuse—that of the masters, the officials, the police, replete and fatty, 
and the other, the hungry, desperate, tormented swearing of the 
masses—have colored the whole of Russian life with despicable patterns 
of abusive terms. Such was the legacy the revolution received among 
others from the past.


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Re: [Marxism] FYI - I suspect a lot of other Syrians feel the same way

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saying:

> it is widely used in many sections of the working class not well schooled
> in university Left etiquette that otherwise may be politically quite
> advanced.
>
Is not a defense of calling someone a bitch [are you opposed to only
calling women bitches? How about men?]

This is a word you dragged into this conversation specifically for the
purpose of condemning both Robin and me. It was not in my post about him.
So its not surprising that you have done this.

I have learned to look at how a man treats women. I've never known Robin to
disrespect women. I saw him with Leila in LA. On the other hand, I know
many sophisticated enough never to use the word bitch but treats other
women terribly, as is the case with Stein as I described above.

And again, if you make use of the word bitch a litmus test your will limit
your connects, especially in working class and minority communities.



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On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 4:29 AM, Louis Proyect  wrote:

> On 9/5/16 12:29 AM, Clay Claiborne wrote:
>
>> Use of this word as a term demeaning to women may be enough to get you
>> kicked out of the SWP but NEWSFLASH Louis, it is widely used in many
>> sections of the working class not well schooled in university Left
>> etiquette that otherwise may be politically quite advanced. I have been
>> working to win Robin to a Marxist view of the revolutionary struggle he
>> has been playing a leading role in so I don't plan unfriending him
>> anytime soon.
>>
>
> Clay, you are a hypocrite. A dozen posts about how Marxmail is reeking of
> white supremacy and now you defend calling women bitches.
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Re: [Marxism] seeking Henry Kissinger's endorsement

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No plans to protest Trump, just Clinton. Why does that not surprise me?

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> I do hope someone's keeping track of all the Republican cabinet members,
> miscellaneous war criminals and Grand Dragons endorsing Clinton.  We should
> widely circulate the list a few days before the election.
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[Marxism] He Denied Blacks Citizenship. Now a City Is Deciding His Statue’s Fate.

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NY Times, Sept. 5 2016
He Denied Blacks Citizenship. Now a City Is Deciding His Statue’s Fate.
By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

FREDERICK, Md. — In 1801, Roger Brooke Taney, the politically minded son 
of a Maryland tobacco planter, settled here to practice law. He married 
the sister of Francis Scott Key, won election to the State Senate and 
worked his way to Washington, where he landed a dream job: Chief Justice 
of the Supreme Court.


Taney (pronounced TAW-knee) is buried in a graveyard here; the house he 
owned is now a museum; and for 85 years, his bronze bust, with stern 
eyes and aquiline nose, has gazed out on the courtyard of what is now 
City Hall. For about 40 of those years, the sight of that bust has made 
Willie Mahone, a local lawyer, want to retch.


As an African-American who attended segregated Alabama schools, Mr. 
Mahone, 62, is well aware of how Taney earned an enduring, if dubious, 
place in American history: He wrote the notorious 1857 Dred Scott ruling 
denying citizenship to blacks, noting that the Constitution’s framers 
considered them “beings of an inferior order.”


In October 2015, after years of prodding by Mr. Mahone and other critics 
of Taney, the all-white board of aldermen agreed that the bust’s time 
had come and gone. Its members voted unanimously — amid accusations that 
they were whitewashing history and ignoring the complexities of an 
otherwise respected jurist’s life and career — to remove the statue, 
with the idea of displaying it somewhere else, maybe in a museum.


And that is where the trouble began.

Today, the bust’s future is caught up in a maze of bureaucracy, amid 
questions of whether moving it would violate a state easement or city 
preservation rules. But even if the bust can go, Frederick faces a 
bigger problem: In the heat of the debate last year, vandals dumped a 
bucket of red enamel paint on Taney’s bronze head.


Now, nobody wants it.

“It’s been a long hard row to hoe to get this thing someplace,” said 
Mayor Randy McClement, a former bagel shop owner who added that he had 
other things to worry about, like balancing the city budget.


In a thus-far fruitless effort to fulfill the board’s wish that the 
statue not be “stuck in someone’s attic,” the mayor’s office has been 
scouring the local landscape for someone, anyone, willing to publicly 
display a 30-inch bust of a vilified chief justice. The city will also 
throw in the four-foot-high granite base — and will pay the moving costs.


The Historical Society of Frederick County, which operates the Roger 
Brooke Taney House and another museum, said no; it already has a Taney 
bust. The historic Coast Guard cutter Taney, which is docked in 
Baltimore, was not interested, nor was the cemetery where Taney was 
buried. The Supreme Court Historical Society in Washington seems too far 
away, the mayor said. (The court has a Taney bust, too.)



A carpenter, Jimmy Smith, 60, a grandson of the sculptor, did put his 
hand up. But like the others, he is willing only to give the bust a new 
home — not to put it on public view. He worries it would get stolen, or 
worse.


“It has become a target, with that paint that happened,” Mr. Smith said.

Frederick, of course, is hardly alone in wrestling with the delicate 
balance between preserving history and showing racial sensitivity. 
Across the South, especially after the June 2015 massacre at a black 
church in Charleston, S.C., states, cities and even museums have 
grappled with Confederate symbols, like statues of generals or images of 
the rebel flag.


But Taney, the nation’s fifth chief justice, was a jurist, not a 
general. And despite his tarnished legacy, he was a complex figure whose 
views on slavery seem ambiguous at best.


As a lawyer, he called slavery “a blot on our national character,” while 
defending an abolitionist minister. He owned nine slaves, but 
emancipated four and issued “manumission papers” — a legal promise of 
eventual freedom — to others, and had none by the time he joined the 
court, said Jennifer Winter, who manages the Taney house for the 
historical society.


“He never wrote in a journal saying, ‘I think this,’” Ms. Winter said. 
“So you’re kind of left kind of with a trail of actions. Some are in 
favor, some are not so favorable.’’


To Mr. Mahone, there is no ambiguity about it. “Taney said black lives 
do not matter,” he said, speaking from his small law office here, where 
a pencil sketch of another prominent Marylander, Frederick Douglass, 
hangs behind his desk. “Why would we opt to display a symbol of racial 
hatred on the lawn of City Hall?”


The dispute is one of several long-running Taney 

[Marxism] Fwd: Walker Evans’s Typology of the American Worker - The New Yorker

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[Marxism] Fwd: Votes of No Confidence - bookforum.com / current issue

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A philosopher argues that only some people should get to elect our leaders

JEDEDIAH PURDY

http://www.bookforum.com/inprint/023_03/16504
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[Marxism] Fwd: From China to Mars | Michael Roberts Blog

2016-09-05 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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The latest call on this front has come from the economists of the 
Australian investment outfit, Macquarie.  Why not colonise Mars?   “It 
is not as crazy as it sounds,” wrote Viktor Shvets and Chetan Seth from 
the Macquarie global equities team.  “A giant Mars colonisation program 
would create a vast, capital-intensive industry which would span the 
globe, create jobs, and address the global economy’s productivity problem.”


You see, the world economy is not growing at a sufficient rate because 
there are “declining returns on investment”.  So what we need to do is 
to start a huge government programme to colonise Mars, similar to the 
space program of the 1960s under Kennedy that led to landing on the Moon.


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[Marxism] Fwd: 2431. Making Progress: A Critical Assessment of Climate Action Plans by Bill McKibben and The Climate Mobilization

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Kamran Nayeri:

I consider it a breakthrough of sorts. Last September a group of the 
leading members of the Canadian ecological and social justice movements, 
including Naomi Klein and David Suzuki, published The Leap Manifesto: A 
Call for a Canada Based on Caring for the Earth and One Another, which I 
characterized as “a welcome initiative towards a collective discussion 
for social change necessary to address the root causes of social and 
planetary crisis.”  Then last May E. O. Wilson published Half-Earth: Our 
Planet’s Fight for Life(2016), his last volume in a trilogy, in which he 
breaks ranks with the conservation movement’s piecemeal and reactive 
approach by proclaiming and defending the ambitious goal based on the 
best available science that the only viable way to save biodiversity on 
which human life depends is to set aside at least half of the planet’s 
land and oceans as protected areas for wildlife.  On August 15, Bill 
McKibben, co-founder of 350.org and the acknowledged public face of the 
climate justice movement, published a major policy essay, “A World at 
War”, in the New Republic in which he outlines an action program for 
transition to a post-carbon economy by 2050.  Four days later, on August 
19, The Climate Mobilization (TCM), released an incomplete draft of its 
Victory Plan, which goes much further in scale and scope than McKibben’s 
essay. Here is my critical assessment of them.


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Re: [Marxism] FYI - I suspect a lot of other Syrians feel the same way

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On 9/5/16 12:29 AM, Clay Claiborne wrote:

Use of this word as a term demeaning to women may be enough to get you
kicked out of the SWP but NEWSFLASH Louis, it is widely used in many
sections of the working class not well schooled in university Left
etiquette that otherwise may be politically quite advanced. I have been
working to win Robin to a Marxist view of the revolutionary struggle he
has been playing a leading role in so I don't plan unfriending him
anytime soon.


Clay, you are a hypocrite. A dozen posts about how Marxmail is reeking 
of white supremacy and now you defend calling women bitches.

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Statement from Multiple Organizations on Christopher Bollyn Event at the Brooklyn Commons | The Brooklyn Institute for Social Research

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The general gist of Sieradski /Jewschool's racism is summed up in this
admittedly dated article:

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/abraham-greenhouse/palestinians-express-solidarity-nyc-occupy-camp-raid-activist-tweet

He is very active as a blogger and internet troll, and the views he has
expressed through those means (which I do not care to promote) make it
clear his worldview has not changed significantly since the article above
was written. His statements about "left anti-Semitism" are included in the
previous article which Louis sent to the list.

The point about Jewschool's issues with Bollyn are that the former takes
issue with what you are calling the "figleaf" of anti-Zionism, rather than
any of the content that appears genuinely aimed at promoting anti-Jewish
prejudice. The advertised talk appears to be a standard "9/11 was an inside
job" conspiracy lecture aimed at blaming Israel and America. I don't dabble
in those theories but I think it is fairly obvious what kinds of suspicions
and distrust lead others to do so, and I don't think it is anti-Americanism
or anti-Semitism. So what's wrong with the staffer asking for specifics?

As for "the struggle against anti-Semitism," the simple fact is that the
kind of Jew-baiting lunacy that Bollyn and others like him traffick on the
internet  has long since been replaced in Western parlance with
Muslim-baiting. That kind of rhetoric about Jewish takeovers and the like
is the subject of ridicule and stigma in virtually every part of Western
politics -- while "creeping Sharia Law" conspiracism continues to dominate
one major American political party. So even given that Bollyn is little
more than a crypto-anti-Semite, I fail to see the significance of his
insignificance. He is an irrelevant crank and the people / person who
called attention to him hold repulsive views that reflect the dominant
prejudices in America.

This seems to be a trend; either genuinely anti-Semitic morsels that appear
in lefty spaces are picked out and given immense significance by the people
railing about Left Anti-Semitism; or they simply fabricate accusations of
anti-Semitism altogether. Sounds awfully silly to me.


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