Re: [Marxism] Don DeBar: Election analysis and the Trumpenproletariat | Rhode Island Media Cooperative

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http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2016/09/donald-trump-can-only-win-if-jill-stein_27.html

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>> Don Debar supported Gaddafi and Assad. He is also a Putin follower so it
>> should surprise anyone that he is a Trump supporter as well.
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> This is nonsense. The filthy Stalinists of the US Peace Council just sent
> a fawning delegation to Assad. When they got back, they probably started
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[Marxism] Litmus tests?

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Communist Party says “Hands Off Syria”

"The Assad government has now proposed sweeping constitutional changes, 
which, if implemented, would be a great step forward for the Syrian 
people. These changes have been dismissed out of hand as cosmetic by the 
corporate press and by the Western governments. Instead, “regime change” 
is now the slogan of the day."


http://www.cpusa.org/article/communist-party-says-hands-off-syria/

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America needs a landslide against Trump

The great majority of the people who voted for Bernie are now planning 
to vote for Hillary Clinton, but not all. Especially among those who 
were in the inner core locally, there is an element that is angry with 
the Democratic Party and either planning to stay home or vote for Jill 
Stein.


Either choice helps Trump. Either choice is isolated from the labor and 
people’s organizations that are working at full capacity so that the 
progressive planks in the platform can become law and so the demands for 
economic and social justice and peace can be moved forward with 
on-the-ground organizing.


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Re: [Marxism] Don DeBar: Election analysis and the Trumpenproletariat | Rhode Island Media Cooperative

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On 9/27/16 10:23 PM, Clay Claiborne via Marxism wrote:

Don Debar supported Gaddafi and Assad. He is also a Putin follower so it
should surprise anyone that he is a Trump supporter as well.


This is nonsense. The filthy Stalinists of the US Peace Council just 
sent a fawning delegation to Assad. When they got back, they probably 
started ringing doorbells for Clinton as soon as they got over their jet 
lag. Clay keeps trying to make voting for Clinton some kind of litmus 
test. Marxism is not about paper turning red or blue when dipped in a 
chemical solution. It is about class analysis in the face of 
contradictions, a dying art on the left I'm afraid.

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Re: [Marxism] Don DeBar: Election analysis and the Trumpenproletariat | Rhode Island Media Cooperative

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Thus spaketh the neoliberal missionary to we puny Marxists.

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> Don Debar supported Gaddafi and Assad. He is also a Putin follower so it
> should surprise anyone that he is a Trump supporter as well.
>
> I am not certain what strategy is needed to produce the necessary unity of
>> program and action required to advance the interests of the working class
>> in this tangled condition, but it is evident to me that supporting Clinton
>> is NOT it. Her election is the goal of precisely the forces that have been
>> working to take down this working class uprising in each and all of its
>> forms. In the face of that, it is obvious to me that our task is to take
>> her – and, thereby, the elite assembled behind her – down instead.
>>
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>> Very good analysis here. All the Clinton boosters should take note.
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>> https://rimediacoop.org/2016/09/26/don-debar-election-analysis/
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Re: [Marxism] Don DeBar: Election analysis and the Trumpenproletariat | Rhode Island Media Cooperative

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Don Debar supported Gaddafi and Assad. He is also a Putin follower so it
should surprise anyone that he is a Trump supporter as well.

I am not certain what strategy is needed to produce the necessary unity of
> program and action required to advance the interests of the working class
> in this tangled condition, but it is evident to me that supporting Clinton
> is NOT it. Her election is the goal of precisely the forces that have been
> working to take down this working class uprising in each and all of its
> forms. In the face of that, it is obvious to me that our task is to take
> her – and, thereby, the elite assembled behind her – down instead.
>

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[Marxism] [UCE] Fwd: Trump’s debate incompetence a slap in the face to his supporters | New York Post

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Murdoch press dumps on Trump.

http://nypost.com/2016/09/27/trumps-debate-incompetence-a-slap-in-the-face-to-his-supporters/
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Re: [Marxism] Reuters: Gulf May Arm Rebels Now that Truce is Dead - U.S. Officials

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"Note that the article cited has no actual news about the Gulf states
arming anybody." Yes, and even more, there was even less actual news
about the US supporting such a move if it did take place. On the
contrary, it said the current situation raises "the possibility that
Gulf allies or Turkey will **no longer continue to follow the U.S.
lead** or will turn a blind eye to wealthy individuals looking to
supply MANPADS to opposition groups." And Toner from State Department
is quoted as explicitly opposing any such move by the Gulf or Turkey.

Obviously I hope that Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey immediately tell
the US to shove off, and send hundreds of manpads urgently to the FSA,
north and south. But I won't be holding my breath. In the north, the
Turkish creation of a safe zone is actually predicated upon holding
the rebel groups there *back* from confronting Assad. Note that
Turkey, despite the talk, has held the rebels back from taking al-Bab,
which they must take in order to confront the regime from the back in
Aleppo. So Clinton can have her NFZ on the cheap in the Turkish zone;
because Erdogan has his agreement with Assad via Putin and Iran for no
action, so Assad/Russia won't bomb there. Just genocide Aleppo. In the
south, apart from the fact that the Saudis are distracted by their own
bombing of Yemen, the they have been pushed back on the southern file
by the alliance US-Jordan-UAE, essentially a pro-Assad alliance that
has forced the FSA Southern Front to stop fighting the regime (under
the "ceasefire" rubric) while providing arms only any time they fight
ISIS.

In other words, even if the US got right out and thereby stopped
blocking others delivering manpads, I'm still not confident that
either Saudis or Turkey would. But as the article suggests, they may
turn a blind eye to others doing so. What is so extraordinary about
the US dedication to preventing the rebels being armed against the 5
years of aerial slaughter is that the CIA in Jordan and Turkey has
gone out of its way to stop the FSA getting manpads even from the
black market. If the CIA was forced out of there, it is likely that
the local states might either turn a blind eye, or at least be less
effective at prevention.

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[Marxism] Fwd: U.S.-led Airstrikes Have Allegedly Killed over 850 Syrian Civilians, So Where Is the Outrage? - In These Times

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The U.S. apologizes for bombing unintended targets when it’s politically 
expedient—otherwise, it prefers to remain silent.

BY CHARLES DAVIS

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Re: [Marxism] Reuters: Gulf May Arm Rebels Now that Truce is Dead - U.S. Officials

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Note that the article cited has no actual news about the Gulf states arming 
anybody:

"has heightened the possibility that Gulf states might arm Syrian rebels"
"Gulf Arab states or Turkey could step up arms supplies to rebel factions"
"the possibility that Gulf allies or Turkey will no longer continue to follow the 
U.S. lead"

I wouldn't get excited about this yet.
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[Marxism] Fwd: Re: Reuters: Gulf May Arm Rebels Now that Truce is Dead - U.S. Officials

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Note that the article cited has no actual news about the Gulf states arming 
anybody:

"has heightened the possibility that Gulf states might arm Syrian rebels"
"Gulf Arab states or Turkey could step up arms supplies to rebel factions"
"the possibility that Gulf allies or Turkey will no longer continue to follow the 
U.S. lead"

I wouldn't get excited about this yet.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN11W2NN



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[Marxism] from the Axis of Reaction

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-attack-idUSKCN11X1MB

"'There are no prospects for political solutions ... the final word is for
the battlefield,' the leader of Lebanon's Hezbollah Shi'ite movement,
Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah, was quoted in a Lebanese newspaper as saying on
Tuesday."

F*ck you Nasrallah, f*ck you.

This from one of many articles claiming troops of the counterrevolution
have begun the ground war.
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[Marxism] Fwd: [GPRI] FW: [RI-antiwar-announce] forum - Oct 6 - America's War for the Greater Middle East

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-Please forward widely-


America's War for the Greater Middle East

On October 6 at 7:00 p.m. Andrew Bacevich, a noted scholar, author, and
critic of U.S. imperialism, will be  speaking on U.S. policy, or lack
thereof,  in the Middle East. The venue will be Westminster Unitarian
Church at 24 Kenyon Street in East Greenwich, RI. This public presentation
will be based largely on his most recent book: America’s War for the
Greater Middle East: A Military History. Among his eight other books is the
important Washington Rules: America’s Path to Permanent War. There will be
a Q period but the targeted ending time is 9:00 p.m.

Prior to a distinguished academic career, Bacevich served in the U.S. Army,
retiring with the rank of Colonel. His son, Andrew Bacevich Jr., was also
in the army but was killed in Iraq by an IED. Dr. Bacevich had expressed
strong opposition to this disastrous war prior to his son’s death.

In addition to the books, Bacevich has written many articles that have been
published in various magazines and journals and has appeared frequently on
a variety of news shows. He is a Professor Emeritus of Boston University
and also is an associate editor for Harper’s Magazine.

This event is being organized by the Rhode Island Anti-War Committee, Pax
Christi Rhode Island, the American Friends Service Committee, and the
Tuesday Interfaith Peace Group. Cosponsoring and hosting is the Social
Responsibility Committee of Westminster Unitarian Church. Light
refreshments will be available and attendees are encouraged, if possible,
to bring cookies or some type of simple finger food to share. There is
ample parking in the Church lot.
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Re: [Marxism] Reuters: Gulf May Arm Rebels Now that Truce is Dead - U.S. Officials

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Note that the article cited has no actual news about the Gulf states arming 
anybody:

"has heightened the possibility that Gulf states might arm Syrian rebels"
"Gulf Arab states or Turkey could step up arms supplies to rebel factions"
"the possibility that Gulf allies or Turkey will no longer continue to follow the 
U.S. lead"

I wouldn't get excited about this yet.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN11W2NN



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Re: [Marxism] Reuters: Gulf May Arm Rebels Now that Truce is Dead - U.S. Officials

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Useful post, thanks.
And I think you're right in your speculation.

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> favor of Russia and Assad that it is now willing to permit MANPADS to flow
> to the rebels? This would certainly fit within the pattern of keeping the
> conflict stalemate and prolonged. Supplies will likely be limited though
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[Marxism] Reuters: Gulf May Arm Rebels Now that Truce is Dead - U.S. Officials

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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN11W2NN

Hello everyone. This is my first posting here.

This is interesting. Does the U.S. now see the scales tipping too far in
favor of Russia and Assad that it is now willing to permit MANPADS to flow
to the rebels? This would certainly fit within the pattern of keeping the
conflict stalemate and prolonged. Supplies will likely be limited though
and not intended to give the rebels any type of major advantage. Supplies
would probably enter too late, however, to save Aleppo.

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[Marxism] Don DeBar: Election analysis and the Trumpenproletariat | Rhode Island Media Cooperative

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Very good analysis here. All the Clinton boosters should take note.


https://rimediacoop.org/2016/09/26/don-debar-election-analysis/


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[Marxism] home care aides poverty

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At the heart of intersectionality
Note SEIU etc. organizing efforts; hopefully this sector will be part of a
growing militant and democratic mass movement for "care" workers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/27/health/home-care-aides-wages.html?ref=todayspaper
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[Marxism] Fwd: [chinaconcern] Open Statement by Hong Kong Labour Groups on the Trial of Guangdong Labour Activists

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Date: Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:02 AM
Subject: [chinaconcern] Open Statement by Hong Kong Labour Groups on the
Trial of Guangdong Labour Activists
To: "chinaconc...@lists.riseup.net" 




*Open Statement by Hong Kong Labour Groups on the Trial of Guangdong Labour
Activists *
Three Guangdong labour activists - Zeng Feiyang, Zhu Xiaomei, and Tang
Huanxing, who were arrested by Chinese police on 3 December 2015 - will
stand trial on charges of “gathering a crowd to disturb social order” on 26
- 28 September in the Panyu district court in Guangzhou. Meng Han, who was
arrested with them, remains detained in Guangzhou Detention Centre No. 1.
Local prosecutors sent his case back a second time to the police for
further investigation and a hearing for him has yet to be set.

In the December arrests, more than 50 labour activists were taken in for
questioning, and seven were detained or disappeared. Those seven spent long
periods in detention, and were unable to meet with their lawyers. Lawyers
authorized by family members of the detained went to the detention center
asking to meet their clients, but the lawyers were often denied on the
grounds that they needed the approval of the police authorities
investigating the case; sometimes they were not even given any reason or
documentation. Of those detained, Zeng Feiyang was not able to see his
lawyer until six months after his arrest, and was the subject of a smear
campaign by official media. In addition, the family members of those
arrested have to this day been subjected to surveillance, physical threats,
and verbal intimidation.

Since 2015, mainland China’s civil society has faced frequent repression,
with several large-scale arrests of rights defence lawyers, and women's
rights and labour activists. Recently, Communist Party authorities held a
series of political trials of those arrested. In August of this year, four
rights defence lawyers - Zhou Shifeng, Hu Shigen, Gou Hongguo, and Zhai
Yanmin - were charged with "subversion of state power" and given prison
sentences ranging from three to seven years. On September 22, the Beijing
lawyer Xia Lin, who has defended many activists (including Ai Weiwei, Pu
Zhiqiang, and Tan Zuoren), was sentenced to 12 years in prison for fraud.
Chinese courts have become the Chinese Communist Party's tool for political
repression, piling on various offences to prosecute activists and deprive
them of their civil rights.

Similarly, we believe the actions of the Guangzhou police have trampled on
the principles of justice and law and the basic human rights of those
arrested, and seriously violated current domestic law. Article 11 of the
International Declaration of Human Rights clearly states all those subject
to criminal prosecution have the right to obtain adequate defence. Article
14.3 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights guarantees
the right of those facing criminal prosecution the right to contact a
lawyer of their own choosing in the preparation of a defense. The meaning
of the phrase "of their own choosing" is that the accused should make the
choice of their own free will, and not under threat or force. The [United
Nations] Principles for the Protection of All Persons under Any Form of
Detention or Imprisonment expressly provides that a detainee should have
the right to assistance in obtaining legal counsel, and the right to
communicate and consult with legal counsel. Article 125 of the People's
Republic of China Constitution states: "the accused have the right to
defense." Article 14 of the People's Republic of China Criminal Procedure
Law states: "the public security organs shall safeguard the procedural
rights to which participants in proceedings are entitled according to law".
Article 33 of the Criminal Procedure Law states that for a “defendant in
custody, his or her guardian or close relative may retain a defender on his
or her behalf.”

Today three labour activists stand trial. In light of the actions taken
since last December by Guangzhou police in committing multiple violations
of the rights of the detained, and monitoring and harassing their family
members, we issue the following public statement:

1. When the legal rights of workers have been violated, it is natural for
them to self-organize and seek out social support. Even though they caused
losses for the factory, this does not constitute "gathering a crowd to
disturb social order". The rights of workers to freedom of association and
collective bargaining should be respected; workers and labour activists
have committed 

[Marxism] Sydney and Canberra pickets of Russian consul/embassy over burning of Aleppo

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PRESS RELEASE...FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
#STOP THE BOMBING IN SYRIA..
#ALL FOREIGN ARMIES AND WEAPONS MUST LEAVE!
#ALLOW INTERNATIONAL HUMANITARIAN RELIEF CONVOYS TO THE PEOPLE OF 
SYRIA!.
WHEREPICKET RUSSIAN CONSULATE, 7-9 FULLERTON STREET WOOLLAHRA, 
SYDNEY

WHEN. WEDNESDAY 28 SEPTEMBER 2016...FROM 12 NOON TO 2PM
All Australian peace activists are disgusted by the Russian-backed 
bombing of Aleppo night after night on their evening news over the last 
week. We cannot stand by any longer.
An emergency picket of the Russian Consulate to protest this inhumanity 
has been called for lunch time tomorrow (12 noon to 2pm) in

Sydney. David Shoebridge NSW Upper House MLC for The Greens Party has
agreed to speak at 12 Noon.
Organiser Mr Jefferson Lee from the Sydney Anti-Conscription Centenary
Campaign for Peace said "While the Russian and the Syrian regime are
not the only guilty party in the Syrian conflict they should be
reminded that international war crimes are being committed in the
current bombing of Aleppo!"
Mr Lee reminded the media that Australia and its American ally are not
blameless either. Protests by the Independent and Peaceful Australia
Network (IPAN) this week-end at the US-controlled Pine Gap war base
will remind Australians of our responsibilities in the struggle for
global peace.
A spokeswoman for the Medical Association for the Prevention of War
(MAPW) Dr Anne Noonan also deplored the air war over Syria. She said
"The bombing of hospitals, medical supplies and health personnel, local
and international, only heighten the plight of civilians who medical
staff and volunteers are intending to save from war wounds."
The Sydney office of Doctors Without Borders are expecting a major
statement on the humanitarian crisis from their international
conference meeting in Dubai this week.
Mr Lee urged all Australians to step up the pressure on all
governments and the United Nations for a negotiated settlement of the
Syrian crisis. We cannot just use the "War on Terror" as an excuse to
allow thousands more innocent civilians to perish.
end...
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Jefferson Lee, Anti-Conscription Centenary Campaign for Peace
(Marrickville, October 28th events) jeffersonlee.a...@gmail.com
.

Also in Canberra:
Protest: Stop the genocide in Syria by Russia, Assad & Iran
Friday, October 7 at 12 PM - 2 PM
Embassy of the Russia & Parliament House, Canberra Australia
https://www.facebook.com/events/1778715165749407/?active_tab=posts 


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[Marxism] Fwd: Why “Snowden” is Important (or How Kafka Foresaw the Juggernaut State)

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By Paul Buhle

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/09/27/why-snowden-is-important-or-how-kafka-foresaw-the-juggernaut-state/
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[Marxism] Fwd: ZCommunications » Some Left Arguments on the Election

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Stephen Shalom:

And the same is true across numerous issue areas. Clinton and the 
Democrats will be bad, but progressive pressure is more likely to get 
results when aimed at them than when aimed at Trump and the Republicans. 
It’s easier to press someone to do what they promised than to go against 
their promises. And while the lesson of a campaign against far right 
policies is that we need liberal policies, the lesson of a campaign 
against centrist Democrats is that left alternatives are needed.


https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/some-left-arguments-on-the-election/


I really don't get this "hold their feet to the fire" argument. What 
does that mean? How does a Nation Magazine article hold a politician's 
feet to the fire? Even the Occupy Movement did nothing to reverse the 
Obama administration's neoliberal agenda. Remember Rahm Emanuel? He was 
Obama's chief of staff who once referred to liberals putting pressure on 
the DP as "fucking retarded". You think that Hillary Clinton will 
appoint someone more like those that Emanuel cursed out? Dream on.


People draw analogies with FDR being pressured by the left. That was a 
time when the USSR was a real alternative,  the CIO involved millions of 
workers in struggle, and the CPUSA had 60,000 members. Of course, the CP 
was not exactly ready to put any real pressure on the White House but at 
least its members were raising hell on some issues such as evictions, 
racism, unemployment, etc.


I don't have a magic wand that can produce the fire that will force 
Washington to respond to the needs of the American people but neither 
can the lesser-evil left. I support Jill Stein because there's an 
outside chance that the Greens can exploit the discontent in the USA to 
develop into an American Podemos or even a Syriza, keeping in mind that 
Syriza was compromised by the opportunism of the top leadership. But 
attaching ourselves to the DP like remoras to a shark is a waste of time.

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[Marxism] Fwd: Donald Trump links Mexico border wall plan to Israel's 'successful' separation barrier | World news | The Guardian

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[Marxism] Fwd: American Elections: A Dialogue on the Left between Arato & Fraser | Public Seminar

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Now here is my bottom line and the core difference between us: In my 
view, the Left should not take sides in this fight! Rather than 
accepting the terms presented to us by the two-party system, we should 
be working to redefine them by drawing on the vast and growing fund of 
social revulsion against the present order. In a nutshell: rather than 
siding with marketization-cum-emancipation against social protection, we 
should be focused on forging a new alliance of emancipation and social 
protection against runaway marketization. And we cannot do that by 
working to defeat Trump and to elect Clinton. Far from “pushing her to 
the left,” that “honorable” interpretation of “critical support” only 
reinforces the current constellation, while placing our longterm 
objectives on the backburner. Personally, I am unwilling to see left 
objectives backburnered every four years out of fear of a Bush or a 
Trump–all the more so given that what is supposed to save us from the 
worst only fertilizes the soil that germinates new and ever more 
dangerous bogeymen, which in turn justify further deferments–and on and 
on, in a vicious circle. (And that is not even to mention that what is 
supposed to save us from the worst this time around may itself be worse 
on foreign policy.) So I interpret the idea of critical support in a way 
that prioritizes the project of building a new American left by allying 
the forces of emancipation and the forces of social protection, as 
opposed to defeating Trump. And I guess that is our principal disagreement.


full: 
http://www.publicseminar.org/2016/09/american-elections-a-dialogue-on-the-left/

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[Marxism] It was like shooting Trump in a barrel

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[Marxism] Uk labour

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The labour right are winning the battle in the labour party. The left have not 
organized seriously for the fight. The leadership of the labour left continues 
to deny the anti socialist nature of the labour right and attempts to 
conciliate them. This cant succeed since the Labour right are determined and 
have the backing of British Capital and its state for the fight to retake the 
labour party. It is imperative for the british capitalist class that it not 
only controls the government but also the opposition. Deselection is downplayed 
or dropped by the left leaders. Nato and Trident are promoted and attempts are 
made to convince the capitalist class that it has nothing to fear from the 
labour left. This watering down of left policies will produce demoralization 
among the working class supporters of Corbyn and aid the right. If this 
continues Corbyn will be sidelined and removed with in the year and the Corbyn 
movement will end in failure. The only way forward would be for the new left 
 to organize itself to take on and remove the labour right from power within 
the labour movement. This would mean democratic debate within the left and the 
election of a left leadership accountable to the membership of the left 
(Momentum). But the left leaders dont want to do this because it would further 
antagonize the labour right, and the capitalist class and its media, and 
provide the basis for a new class struggle left leadership to emerge that would 
not be under the control of the left bureaucrats.

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[Marxism] Statement on Syria

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Joint Statement 
 
of the RCIT and Sınıf Savaşı (Turkey)

http://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/defend-aleppo/

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