Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Hacked Audio Reveals Hillary Clinton Sees Herself Occupying “Center-Left to Center-Right”

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Gary,

Very seriously, why do you consider her a bloody war monger?

1) Because she voted for the Iraq war.

2) Supported intervention in Libya

3) Calls for a no fly zone in Syria

4) Honduras

5) Yemen

6) Others.

a ranking or percentage contribution would be nice because I definitely
don't think her support for no-fly zones or military intervention in Libya
or Syria don't qualify  her as a warmonger but I know the majority of the
pro-Trump Left [NeverHillary] does. How do you see it?

I also find it interesting that all the hacking being done in this campaign
[by who?] is all to the benefit of the Trump campaign, and I would love to
know how he sees himself when he thinks nobody is listening.


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[Marxism] What's up with this?

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   . . . supporting Trump


   . . .  pro-Trump


   . . . smearing Hillary


   . . . negatives around Hillary

Why is it that Trump is always Trump but Clinton (or Rodham Clinton but she
seems to have dropped that of late . . .) is always Hillary. Do these
people know her personally or is there a sort of familiarity that the
Democratic Party engenders in its supporters? Perhaps it's a Democratic
Party thing, like, you know, like "Hey Bill, how many Somalis 'ya killed
today?" or "Hey Barack! Dropped any Hellfire missiles on Yemen lately?"

Puzzled,
John
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[Marxism] [UCE] Aleppo protest in the Hague, photos

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We had a nice protest in the Hague Friday. It was held across from the Russian 
embassy, thus a bit out of the way. I think there were well over a hundred 
participants by the end. But I expect a larger number tomorrow in Amsterdam. 
Friday's protest was sponsored by the (Dutch) Syrian committee, Amnesty 
International, and PAX, with the major demands: 
   Stop bombing civilians in Aleppo!
   Stop the sieges!
   Stop war crimes! 

I was going to show my own photos, but these from the Syria Committee hosted by 
Facebook are much better:

https://www.facebook.com/syrischecomite/photos/pcb.1157807700958944/1157799294293118/?type=3

My own crumby photos are posted here (more to come after Saturday):

http://meisner.home.xs4all.nl/Aleppo2016/

Good luck to all those participating in Saturday demos in New York and 
elsewhere!!

- Jeff
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[Marxism] thoughts on Blum and Corbyn and party building

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I have been reading Trotsky on France and also Deutscher's account of
Trotsky in France and his reaction to the comrades there.  The specific
question I was seeking an answer for was Andrew's comment that Corbyn was
the UK's Leon Blum.

To be frank my first reaction to Andrew was "I wish". I was taking a break
from the reading and mulling over the dilemma posed for Leftists by people
like Blum, Allende and Corbyn. Blum and Allende got into office and were in
a position to struggle for power. But both failed.  Allende was overthrown
and assassinated by the brutes and Blum ended up in Buchenwald.  In both
cases the price of failure was the rise of Fascist reaction. Trotsky is
very clear and correct on Blum and the disastrous outcomes of compromise.
But as Lou points out he did not have a good record of building an
alternative.

It seems to me that the dialectic is that those with a correct line on Blum
and Allende and also Corbyn are never going to be in the situation where
they can do something about it.  Richard Seymour is objectively correct,
for example, on the problems facing Corbyn. Even if he were to win an
election, and I increasingly think that is a possibility, he is unlikely to
be able to face down the tide of reaction that will greet his arrival in No
10 Downing Street. The banks, the Army, the media and his own party not
least of all would move against him if he tried socialist solutions to
Britain's problems. The reason is that he would be threatening the
interests of the ruling class and they would strike viciously.

Corbyn has no intention, I think, of threatening the rule of the capitalist
class. In all likelihood he belongs to the same Socialist tradition as
Blum. It is a tradition that goes back to Jean Jaurès
and probably Lasalle. It is far superior in decency to the types that now
call themselves social democrats or members of the Labour Movement.  Yet at
the decisive moment, they cannot strike the decisive blow against the
ruling class. They seek instead mutual forgiveness from the master class
and not an end to master slave relationships. Instead of achieving mutual
forgiveness it all ends in blood and tears.

To speak in such a way is to condemn oneself to total marginality. One can
respond to that by doing what ISO under Cliff's direct influence did in the
1980s and ever since.  That is to expel anyone who would not adhere rigidly
to the party line  and do imitations of the Bolsheviks. Cliff sought to
isolate and insulate his followers from the great move to the Right in the
late 70s and early 80s.  the result was they became a caricature of a
socialist, turning up at huge spontaneous demonstrations with hundreds of
placards and pretend that one is a more important political force than one
is.  The insulation and isolation means that one slips all too easily into
the role of the prophet who stands out side the city gates and denounces
the traitors and reformists.

It reminds me of the lines from Burns great poem Tam O' Chanter and his
wife Kate. While Tam was drinking and enjoying life she was sat at home -
[a]
sulky sullen dame.
Gathering her brows like gathering storm,
Nursing her wrath to keep it warm.

While Kate nursed her wrath, the radical Left nurses its objective
analysis.  In both cases life passes by.

It is worth recalling that Trotsky's approach to France was to urge his
followers to join the Socialist Party.  For me any socialist in the UK
worthy of the name should now be in Momentum.  Not as a sneaky entryist who
walks around feeling that he knows more than anyone else and tries to pinch
a few members for one's little sect. The more productive role is to be
someone who is genuinely committed to pushing Corbynism as far as it will
go and then trying to go further.

Corbynism is now the only game in town in the UK.  Its defeat would be a
terrible blow to the working class of Europe and the world. That I feel is
what is at stake and why we should continue to discuss it all.

comradely

Gary
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[Marxism] Terry on the Never Hillary Left

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Below is what I was trying to forward to the list. In it Terry talks about
who some of the #NEVERHillary people are. I apologize if the earlier post
was confusing.


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-- Forwarded message --
From: Terry 
Date: Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings
To: Clay Claiborne 


Yes, that's the point - these sites are supporting Trump.  They are
pro-Assad, pro-Russia, pro-Trump.  They exchange each others' articles and
memes.  Some of them have no board of directors, no funding sources, no
ads.  Some like globalresearch.ca have been around for awhile but others
have just been around a couple of years.  They have influenced how people
think on Syria and it seems they are also influencing people regarding the
elections.  I have progressive friends who have occasionally posted one of
their articles smearing Hillary.  They have contributed to increasing the
negatives around Hillary with their hundreds of exaggerated stories.

Where does their money come from?  You need staff to do a webpage, facebook
page with new articles and memes every day.  The Anti-Media lists 22 people
on their "team" and they have no ads, no grants, no visible sources for
their funding.  Former staff from Mint Press thought the hundreds of
thousands funding the organization came from the editor's father-in-law's
Iranian connections.

Russia does have a history of disinformation campaigns.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/world/europe/russia-sweden
-disinformation.html?smid=fb-share

We need articles that look at the disinformation on these sites and at
least question where their funding comes from.

Terry
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[Marxism] Fwd: Audio Reveals What John Kerry Told Syrians Behind Closed Doors - The New York Times

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One of the Syrians in the room assured Mr. Kerry, “No one is requesting 
an invasion,” but he insisted that the rebels needed more help.


As time ran short, Mr. Kerry told the Syrians that their best hope was a 
political solution to bring the opposition into a transitional 
government. Then, he said, “you can have an election and let the people 
of Syria decide: Who do they want?”


A State Department official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, 
said later that Mr. Kerry was not indicating a shift in the 
administration’s view of Mr. Assad, only reiterating a longstanding 
belief that he would be ousted in any fair election.


At one point, Mr. Kerry astonished the Syrians at the table when he 
suggested that they should participate in elections that include 
President Bashar al-Assad, five years after President Obama demanded 
that he step down.


Mr. Kerry described the election saying it would be set up by Western 
and regional powers, and the United Nations, “under the strictest 
standards.” He said that the millions of Syrians who have fled since the 
war began in 2011 would be able to participate.


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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Hacked Audio Reveals Hillary Clinton Sees Herself Occupying “Center-Left to Center-Right”

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Give us a break.  She is a bloody war monger. Humanity might survive her
Presidency but it will be a close thing.

Comradely

Gary

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> CLINTON: It is important to recognize what’s going on in this election.
> Everybody whose ever been in an election that I’m aware of is quite
> bewildered because there is a strain of, on the one hand, the kind of
> populist, nationalist, xenophobic, discriminatory kind of approach that we
> hear too much of from the Republican candidates. And on the other side,
> there’s just a deep desire to believe that we can have free college, free
> healthcare, that what we’ve done hasn’t gone far enough, and that we just
> need to, you know,  go as far as, you know, Scandinavia, whatever that
> means, and half the people don’t know what that means, but it’s something
> that they deeply feel. So as a friend of mine said the other day, I am
> occupying from the center-left to the center-right. And I don’t have much
> company there. Because it is difficult when you’re running to be president,
> and you understand how hard the job is —  I don’t want to overpromise. I
> don’t want to tell people things that I know we cannot do.
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[Marxism] Fwd: Hacked Audio Reveals Hillary Clinton Sees Herself Occupying “Center-Left to Center-Right”

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CLINTON: It is important to recognize what’s going on in this election. 
Everybody whose ever been in an election that I’m aware of is quite 
bewildered because there is a strain of, on the one hand, the kind of 
populist, nationalist, xenophobic, discriminatory kind of approach that 
we hear too much of from the Republican candidates. And on the other 
side, there’s just a deep desire to believe that we can have free 
college, free healthcare, that what we’ve done hasn’t gone far enough, 
and that we just need to, you know,  go as far as, you know, 
Scandinavia, whatever that means, and half the people don’t know what 
that means, but it’s something that they deeply feel. So as a friend of 
mine said the other day, I am occupying from the center-left to the 
center-right. And I don’t have much company there. Because it is 
difficult when you’re running to be president, and you understand how 
hard the job is —  I don’t want to overpromise. I don’t want to tell 
people things that I know we cannot do.


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[Marxism] Fwd: Worse Than a Slaughterhouse: 250, 000 Trapped in East Aleppo Amid Devastating Bombing Campaign | Democracy Now!

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The Russian/Baathist blitzkrieg must have become so gruesome that even 
Democracy Now is forced to admit it.


http://www.democracynow.org/2016/9/29/worse_than_a_slaughterhouse_250_000
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[Marxism] Fwd: Three documentaries | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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Opening today at the Film Forum in NY, “Do not Resist” could not be more 
topical. It is a close look at the militarization of police departments 
in the USA as well as an evolving form of profiling that has an eerie 
affinity with the Tom Cruise film “Minority Report” based on a Philip K. 
Dick short story.


The film opens on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri as Black Lives 
Matter activists and their supporters fill the streets in August 2014 to 
protest the killing of Michael Brown. The forces arrayed against them 
are essentially the same as those that Iraqis confronted in places like 
Fallujah and Mosul: heavily armored troop carriers with cops in body 
armor toting automatic rifles. Unlike the automatic rifles that can be 
purchased in gun shops, these have not been altered to only fire single 
shots. These M-16’s are capable of firing 700–950 rounds per minute. Is 
this the right weapon for the streets of Ferguson or any American city 
for that matter?


In the 1960s, the left and the Black Panther Party in particular used to 
refer to the cops as an occupying army. Back then it might have struck 
some liberals as a hyperbole but reality has caught up with the 
rhetoric. This is exactly what police departments have become in a place 
like Concord, New Hampshire that has had exactly two murders in the past 
16 years. Director Craig Atkinson films a city council meeting in which 
there is a hearing on whether to accept the “gift” of an armored troop 
carrier from the Department of Homeland Security that has dispensed $38 
billion in military equipment to local precincts since it was formed. 
One of the people speaking to the councilman is a Marine corps veteran 
who served in Fallujah. Despite his insistence that the equipment has no 
use in Concord, they vote to accept it.


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Re: [Marxism] [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings

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Sorry, I didn't realize you were talking about the subject line. What I
sent to this list was something like 14th down the thread and really has
nothing to do with Andy's comments, which is what I sent to this list.

Clay

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings

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On 9/30/16 12:23 PM, Clay Claiborne via Marxism wrote:

What professor are you talking about?


Just look at the stuff you sent to the list and search for Ella Wind, an 
NYU grad student who was responding to Idrees Ahmad who had called 
attention to Mark Crispin Miller. You are reading the stuff you post to 
the list, I hope.

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings

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What professor are you talking about?

Clay

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> > FYI: This is the #NeverHillary Left.
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> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Terry 
> > Date: Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings
> > To: Clay Claiborne 
> > Cc: Nader Hashemi , Ella Wind <
> > ella.cw...@gmail.com>, Critical Syria 
> >
> >
> > Yes, that's the point - these sites are supporting Trump.  They are
> > pro-Assad, pro-Russia, pro-Trump.  They exchange each others' articles
> and
> > memes.  Some of them have no board of directors, no funding sources, no
> > ads.  Some like globalresearch.ca have been around for awhile but others
> > have just been around a couple of years.  They have influenced how people
> > think on Syria and it seems they are also influencing people regarding
> the
> > elections.  I have progressive friends who have occasionally posted one
> of
> > their articles smearing Hillary.  They have contributed to increasing the
> > negatives around Hillary with their hundreds of exaggerated stories.
> >
> > Where does their money come from?  You need staff to do a webpage,
> facebook
> > page with new articles and memes every day.  The Anti-Media lists 22
> people
> > on their "team" and they have no ads, no grants, no visible sources for
> > their funding.  Former staff from Mint Press thought the hundreds of
> > thousands funding the organization came from the editor's father-in-law's
> > Iranian connections.
> >
> > Russia does have a history of disinformation campaigns.
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/world/europe/russia-
> > sweden-disinformation.html?smid=fb-share
> >
> > We need articles that look at the disinformation on these sites and at
> > least question where their funding comes from.
> >
> > Terry
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Clay Claiborne 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > As you know, there are more sites like these - progressive on
> everything
> > >> but Syria.  The Anti-Media, Free Thought Project are two.  Lately
> > they've
> > >> been bashing Hillary with lots of crazy conspiracy theory stuff,
> > claiming
> > >> she's armed ISIS, etc.   They equate Hillary with Trump and push
> Stein.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > > When they push Stein in progressive circles they are supporting Trump.
> > > Its binary logic #NEVERHillary==POTUSTRUMP
> > >
> > > Clay Claiborne, Director
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> > > Read my blogs at the Linux Beach 
> > > 
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Nader Hashemi <
> > naderalihash...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> There are a lot of very sick people in this worldand this
> professor
> > >> is one of them. Sadly, many on the Left are suffering from the same
> > ethical
> > >> illness
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Terry 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> It's 

[Marxism] Fwd: A majority of millennials now reject capitalism, poll shows - The Washington Post

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[Marxism] Fwd: Bohemian Bolsheviks After World War II: A Minority within a Minority | Wald | Labour / Le Travail

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Re: [Marxism] [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings

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On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Clay Claiborne  wrote:

> FYI: This is the #NeverHillary Left.
>
>
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> From: Terry 
> Date: Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings
> To: Clay Claiborne 
> Cc: Nader Hashemi , Ella Wind <
> ella.cw...@gmail.com>, Critical Syria 
>
>
> Yes, that's the point - these sites are supporting Trump.  They are
> pro-Assad, pro-Russia, pro-Trump.  They exchange each others' articles and
> memes.  Some of them have no board of directors, no funding sources, no
> ads.  Some like globalresearch.ca have been around for awhile but others
> have just been around a couple of years.  They have influenced how people
> think on Syria and it seems they are also influencing people regarding the
> elections.  I have progressive friends who have occasionally posted one of
> their articles smearing Hillary.  They have contributed to increasing the
> negatives around Hillary with their hundreds of exaggerated stories.
>
> Where does their money come from?  You need staff to do a webpage,
> facebook page with new articles and memes every day.  The Anti-Media lists
> 22 people on their "team" and they have no ads, no grants, no visible
> sources for their funding.  Former staff from Mint Press thought the
> hundreds of thousands funding the organization came from the editor's
> father-in-law's Iranian connections.
>
> Russia does have a history of disinformation campaigns.
> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/world/europe/russia-sweden
> -disinformation.html?smid=fb-share
>
> We need articles that look at the disinformation on these sites and at
> least question where their funding comes from.
>
> Terry
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Clay Claiborne 
> wrote:
>
>> As you know, there are more sites like these - progressive on everything
>>> but Syria.  The Anti-Media, Free Thought Project are two.  Lately they've
>>> been bashing Hillary with lots of crazy conspiracy theory stuff, claiming
>>> she's armed ISIS, etc.   They equate Hillary with Trump and push Stein.
>>>


>> When they push Stein in progressive circles they are supporting Trump.
>> Its binary logic #NEVERHillary==POTUSTRUMP
>>
>> Clay Claiborne, Director
>> Vietnam: American Holocaust 
>> Linux Beach Productions
>> Venice, CA 90291
>> (310) 581-1536
>>
>> Read my blogs at the Linux Beach 
>> 
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Nader Hashemi > > wrote:
>>
>>> There are a lot of very sick people in this worldand this professor
>>> is one of them. Sadly, many on the Left are suffering from the same ethical
>>> illness
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Terry 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It's interesting to note that his posts come from Russian sources (RT,
 Sputnik) and then some of the fake progressive sites that have always been
 pro-Assad.  TheDuran.com, 21st Century Wire, Mint Press News, Counter
 Punch, Consortium News, Global Research, Your News Wire.  I know most of
 you are aware of the problems with these sites.  It would be great if we
 could get some articles exposing their pro-Assad/pro-Russia stance, lack of
 any journalism standards, lack of transparency about funding.  They are
 effective propaganda.

 Mint Press is located here.  Former staffers contacted me after I wrote
 criticisms of Mint Press.  There is a lot of money behind it.  The staffers
 guess Iranian because the editor's father-in-law is a well-connected
 Iranian.  In 2013 there were 10 people on staff with reporters being paid
 $38,000 a year.  https://www.buzzfeed.com/rosi
 egray/the-inside-story-of-one-websites-defense-of-assad?utm_
 term=.qdxkjVEZB#.wgQVPpW1v

 As you know, there are more sites like these - progressive on
 everything but Syria. 

Re: [Marxism] Fwd: [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings

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On 9/30/16 11:01 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:


The NYU professor referred to below is Mark Crispin Miller.


He is also a 9/11 Truther.

http://markcrispinmiller.com/2010/02/how-did-the-world-trade-center-simply-disappear-on-911/

I think he has lost his mind. That's what teaching at NYU does apparently.
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings

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The NYU professor referred to below is Mark Crispin Miller.


On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Ella Wind  wrote:
That's really a shame. He's been one of the strongest faculty allies in
the fights to unionize various workers at NYU. Always the most
disappointing when someone who is so much on the right side of other issues
holds such terrible views.



 On Monday, 26 September 2016 19:33:34 UTC-4, Idrees Ahmad wrote:
 This fellow is a professor of media at NYU and has appeared in docs
and events alongside Chomsky, Edward Said et al. This is only a selection
of his posts from the past 3 hours.


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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings

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who is the professor under discussion?

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> FYI: This is the #NeverHillary Left.
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> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Terry 
> Date: Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings
> To: Clay Claiborne 
> Cc: Nader Hashemi , Ella Wind <
> ella.cw...@gmail.com>, Critical Syria 
>
>
> Yes, that's the point - these sites are supporting Trump.  They are
> pro-Assad, pro-Russia, pro-Trump.  They exchange each others' articles and
> memes.  Some of them have no board of directors, no funding sources, no
> ads.  Some like globalresearch.ca have been around for awhile but others
> have just been around a couple of years.  They have influenced how people
> think on Syria and it seems they are also influencing people regarding the
> elections.  I have progressive friends who have occasionally posted one of
> their articles smearing Hillary.  They have contributed to increasing the
> negatives around Hillary with their hundreds of exaggerated stories.
>
> Where does their money come from?  You need staff to do a webpage, facebook
> page with new articles and memes every day.  The Anti-Media lists 22 people
> on their "team" and they have no ads, no grants, no visible sources for
> their funding.  Former staff from Mint Press thought the hundreds of
> thousands funding the organization came from the editor's father-in-law's
> Iranian connections.
>
> Russia does have a history of disinformation campaigns.
> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/world/europe/russia-
> sweden-disinformation.html?smid=fb-share
>
> We need articles that look at the disinformation on these sites and at
> least question where their funding comes from.
>
> Terry
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Clay Claiborne 
> wrote:
>
> > As you know, there are more sites like these - progressive on everything
> >> but Syria.  The Anti-Media, Free Thought Project are two.  Lately
> they've
> >> been bashing Hillary with lots of crazy conspiracy theory stuff,
> claiming
> >> she's armed ISIS, etc.   They equate Hillary with Trump and push Stein.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> > When they push Stein in progressive circles they are supporting Trump.
> > Its binary logic #NEVERHillary==POTUSTRUMP
> >
> > Clay Claiborne, Director
> > Vietnam: American Holocaust 
> > Linux Beach Productions
> > Venice, CA 90291
> > (310) 581-1536
> >
> > Read my blogs at the Linux Beach 
> > 
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Nader Hashemi <
> naderalihash...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> There are a lot of very sick people in this worldand this professor
> >> is one of them. Sadly, many on the Left are suffering from the same
> ethical
> >> illness
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Terry 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It's interesting to note that his posts come from Russian sources (RT,
> >>> Sputnik) and then some of the fake progressive sites that have always
> been
> >>> pro-Assad.  TheDuran.com, 21st Century Wire, Mint Press News, Counter
> >>> Punch, Consortium News, Global Research, Your News Wire.  I know most
> of
> >>> you are aware of the problems with these sites.  It would be great if
> we
> >>> could get some articles exposing their pro-Assad/pro-Russia stance,
> lack of
> >>> any journalism standards, lack of transparency about funding.  They are
> >>> effective propaganda.
> >>>
> >>> Mint Press is located here.  Former staffers contacted me after I wrote
> >>> criticisms of Mint Press.  There is a lot of money behind it.  The
> staffers
> >>> guess Iranian because the editor's father-in-law is a well-connected
> >>> Iranian.  In 2013 there were 10 people on staff with reporters being
> paid
> >>> $38,000 a year.  

[Marxism] Fwd: [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings

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FYI: This is the #NeverHillary Left.


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-- Forwarded message --
From: Terry 
Date: Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings
To: Clay Claiborne 
Cc: Nader Hashemi , Ella Wind <
ella.cw...@gmail.com>, Critical Syria 


Yes, that's the point - these sites are supporting Trump.  They are
pro-Assad, pro-Russia, pro-Trump.  They exchange each others' articles and
memes.  Some of them have no board of directors, no funding sources, no
ads.  Some like globalresearch.ca have been around for awhile but others
have just been around a couple of years.  They have influenced how people
think on Syria and it seems they are also influencing people regarding the
elections.  I have progressive friends who have occasionally posted one of
their articles smearing Hillary.  They have contributed to increasing the
negatives around Hillary with their hundreds of exaggerated stories.

Where does their money come from?  You need staff to do a webpage, facebook
page with new articles and memes every day.  The Anti-Media lists 22 people
on their "team" and they have no ads, no grants, no visible sources for
their funding.  Former staff from Mint Press thought the hundreds of
thousands funding the organization came from the editor's father-in-law's
Iranian connections.

Russia does have a history of disinformation campaigns.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/world/europe/russia-
sweden-disinformation.html?smid=fb-share

We need articles that look at the disinformation on these sites and at
least question where their funding comes from.

Terry



On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Clay Claiborne  wrote:

> As you know, there are more sites like these - progressive on everything
>> but Syria.  The Anti-Media, Free Thought Project are two.  Lately they've
>> been bashing Hillary with lots of crazy conspiracy theory stuff, claiming
>> she's armed ISIS, etc.   They equate Hillary with Trump and push Stein.
>>
>>>
>>>
> When they push Stein in progressive circles they are supporting Trump.
> Its binary logic #NEVERHillary==POTUSTRUMP
>
> Clay Claiborne, Director
> Vietnam: American Holocaust 
> Linux Beach Productions
> Venice, CA 90291
> (310) 581-1536
>
> Read my blogs at the Linux Beach 
> 
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Nader Hashemi 
> wrote:
>
>> There are a lot of very sick people in this worldand this professor
>> is one of them. Sadly, many on the Left are suffering from the same ethical
>> illness
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Terry 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's interesting to note that his posts come from Russian sources (RT,
>>> Sputnik) and then some of the fake progressive sites that have always been
>>> pro-Assad.  TheDuran.com, 21st Century Wire, Mint Press News, Counter
>>> Punch, Consortium News, Global Research, Your News Wire.  I know most of
>>> you are aware of the problems with these sites.  It would be great if we
>>> could get some articles exposing their pro-Assad/pro-Russia stance, lack of
>>> any journalism standards, lack of transparency about funding.  They are
>>> effective propaganda.
>>>
>>> Mint Press is located here.  Former staffers contacted me after I wrote
>>> criticisms of Mint Press.  There is a lot of money behind it.  The staffers
>>> guess Iranian because the editor's father-in-law is a well-connected
>>> Iranian.  In 2013 there were 10 people on staff with reporters being paid
>>> $38,000 a year.  https://www.buzzfeed.com/rosi
>>> egray/the-inside-story-of-one-websites-defense-of-assad?utm_
>>> term=.qdxkjVEZB#.wgQVPpW1v
>>>
>>> As you know, there are more sites like these - progressive on everything
>>> but Syria.  The Anti-Media, Free Thought Project are two.  Lately they've
>>> been bashing Hillary with lots of crazy conspiracy theory stuff, claiming
>>> she's armed ISIS, etc.   They equate Hillary with Trump and push Stein.
>>>
>>> They have been very effective in shaping the narrative on Syria (and
>>> lately on Hillary).  They overwhelm the more objective news on Syria by
>>> their sheer volume.  When there are so many stories claiming the U.S.
>>> created, armed and 

[Marxism] A Cycle of Death Underscored by Greed and a Lust for Power--On Vijay Prashad's Latest Book

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[Marxism] [UCE] Fwd: James Gleick's Tour of Time Travel

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If they make a time machine, I am going back to 1968.

http://nautil.us/issue/40/learning/a-nonlinear-history-of-time-travel
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Re: [Marxism] Red Labour: Corbyn’s win affirms Labour’s socialist turn

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Another encouraging account of the m/Momentum building in the context of
Corbyn's latest success.

However the presence of Jacobin/broad party/Podemos etc. stalwarts is less
encouraging; there's already too many factors, objective and subjective,
working to pull Labour to the right.
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[Marxism] Fwd: The Saudi 9/11 Bill Is A Gross Stunt That Empowers Conspiracy Theorists | Huffington Post

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[Marxism] Fwd: Global turbulence ahead | Michael Roberts Blog

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Real GDP per capita growth is slowing in both the advanced capitalist 
economies and the so-called emerging ones, while the big beast in global 
expansion, China is also slowing.  Now if the US economy should falter 
from its already snail-like pace, all bets are off for avoiding a new 
global slump.  The indicators are starting to turn red.  So, as McKinsey 
puts it, global turbulence lies ahead.


full: 
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[Marxism] Fwd: The Dictator, The Revolution, The Machine

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It is a commonplace wisdom that from the authoritarian roots of the 
Bolshevik revolution in 1917 grew the gulags and the police state of the 
Stalinist epoch. The Dictator, the Revolution, The Machine overturns 
that perspective once and for all by showing how October was inspired by 
a profound mass movement comprised of urban workers and rural poor – a 
movement that went on to forge a state capable of channelling its 
political will in and through the most overwhelming form of grass-roots 
democracy history has ever known.


It was a single, precarious experiment whose life was tragically brief. 
In a context of civil war and foreign invasion the fledgling democracy 
was eradicated and the Bolshevik party was denuded of its social basis – 
the working classes. While the party survived, its centrist elements 
came to the fore as the power of the bureaucracy asserted itself. From 
the ashes of human freedom there arose a zombified, sclerotic 
administration in which state functionaries took precedence over elected 
representatives. One man came to embody the inverted logic of this 
bureaucratic machine, its remorseless brutality and its parasitic drive 
for power. Joseph Stalin was its highest expression, accruing to himself 
state powers as he made his murderous, heady rise to dictator. This book 
examines his historical profile, its roots in Georgian medievalism, and 
shows why Stalin was destined to play the role he did. In broader 
strokes Tony McKenna raises the conflict between the revolutionary 
movement and the bureaucracy to the level of a literary tragedy played 
out on the stage of world history, showing how Stalinism’s victory would 
pave the way for the ‘Midnight of the Century’


http://www.sussex-academic.com/sa/titles/biography/mckenna.htm
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[Marxism] Red Labour: Corbyn’s win affirms Labour’s socialist turn

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It wasn’t a surprise, but that didn’t make it any less historic.

As Labour Party members lined up to get their conference credentials on the
morning of September 24, we all knew the result soon to be announced:
Jeremy Corbyn was re-elected as Labour leader with 61.8% of the vote. The
veteran socialist MP had defied a coup attempt that had the support of 80%
of Labour MPs and much of the British establishment.

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