Re: [Marxism] Reply to S. Jeong on labor-time calculation
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * For US ruling class attempts to craft structures - to some extent and for their own purposes -- the advantages of the nonmarket activity Jim describes, see Robert Cuff and Bruce Catton on the War Industries Board of WWI and the War Production Board of WWII. (See also articles in New International and Fourth International on what this meant for workers and households.) On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 5:28 PM Jim Farmelant via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message.2 This > mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > > > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Reply to S. Jeong on labor-time calculation
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * This discussion sort of reminds me of some of the ideas that the Austrian economist and philosopher Otto Neurath had concerning socialist economic planning. In an article that Mark Lindley and myself wrote on Friedrich Hayek, we noted concerning Neurath: Until fairly recently, his role in the socialist-calculation debate has tended to be downplayed in literature about the debate, most likely because he communicated with Hayek by post rather than publicly. In recent years, however, research on ecological economics and sustainable development has fostered a revival of interest in some of his economic ideas because he advocated “in-kind” (as distinguished from monetary) economic accounting( Naturalrechnung ). (In the 1920s he also advocated Vollsozialisierung , i.e “complete” rather than merely partial“socialization.”) His proposed changes to the economic system were therefore more radical than those advocated by the mainstream Social-Democratic parties of Germany and Austria, and he debated these matters in the ’with leading Social-Democratic theoreticians (such as Karl Kautsky, who insisted upon the necessity of money in a socialist economy). It was while serving as a government economist during the war that he had observed that“As a result of the war, in-kind calculus was applied more often and more systematically than before It was all too apparent that war was fought with ammunition and with the supply of food, not with money” —and had come to believe in the feasibility of an economic system with planning done in terms of quantitative amounts of specified goods and services, and with no use at all for monetary currency. (It was in response to these ideas that Mises wrote his famous essay of 1920.) For Neurath, war economies displayed advantages in regard to speed of decision and execution, optimal distribution of means relative to (military) goals, and no-nonsense evaluation and utilization of inventiveness. Two disadvantages which he perceived as resulting from centralized decision-making were a reduction in productivity and a loss of the benefits of simple economic exchanges; but he thought (as did Lenin) that the reduction in productivity could be mitigated by means of “scientific” techniques based on analysis of work-flows etc. as advocated by Frederick Winslow Taylor (an American mechanical engineer and management consultant). Neurath believed that socio-economic theory and scientific methods could be applied together in contemporary practice.Although he was opposed to “market socialism” (as well as to capitalism), he believed in granting some degree of independence to small producers in the crafts and in agriculture: “The doctrine that there is a trend towards ever more comprehensive organizations has been confirmed fully, less so the doctrine that small businesses will be replaced by large-scale concerns.” He considered it essential, however, that small producers of various sorts be organized in a multitude of regional and branch organizations to ensure that goods and services would be produced according to a central plan, and he held that “total socialization” would require a comprehensive statistical apparatus:“Even before they begin their work, all bodies ... should be required to report to the Central Economic Administration, which, in collaboration with the Center for Statistics ... will fit the individual results into the universal statistics.” When countering the theories of some of the leading Austrian champions of market economics (Carl Menger and Joseph Schumpeter), Neurath found that he had to challenge some of their basic assumptions. From Aristotle and from socialist literature he adopted the radical notion of wealth as based on use-value and welfare, whereby economic theory would be concerned with “wealth” in the sense of people’s physical and social conditions. His concept of welfare was, however, more Epicurean than Aristotelian; he said that “social Epicureanism” “deals with the happiness of human beings as an effect of social actions. What is the effect of different orders of life, of different measures, on the conditions of life of human beings and thereby on their happiness and unhappiness?” He felt that economists should try to find out which conditions promote people’s wealth in that sense of the term,and which institutions increase or decrease it. But he also perceived a theoretical challenge in regard to representing wealth and its allocation in such terms – namely, how to defend the rationality, objectivity and
[Marxism] A Zionist Rabbi Praises Europe’s Right-Wing Racist Parties as Friends of Israel
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * /by Michael Pröbsting / https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/a-zionist-rabbi-praises-europe-s-right-wing-racist-parties-as-friends-of-israel/ -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net) www.rkob.net ak...@rkob.net Tel./SMS/WhatsApp/Telegram: +43-650-4068314 --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Reply to S. Jeong on labor-time calculation
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Thanks, Patrick. I would appreciate it. I couldn't find an email address for Seongjin Jeong. In solidarity, Joseph On 18 Oct 2018 at 8:14, Patrick Bond via Marxism wrote: > > Fascinating, Joseph. > > Let me cc to Seongjin, one of the most engaged and generous Marxist > thinkers I know. He'll be interested in your comradely criticisms. > > Cheers, > > Patrick > > > > > A reply to Seongjin Jeong on labor-time calculation > > and 21st century socialism > > === > > (from Detroit/Seattle Workers' Voice list, Oct. 14, 2018) > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Mohammed bin Salman never was a reformer. This has proved it | Dilip Hiro | Opinion | The Guardian
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[Marxism] “You can feel the spray”: Poop lagoons are making life hell for African-Americans in North Carolina – VICE News
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * (This indicates that using organic fertilizers rather than chemical fertilizers is not a panacea. Resolving the metabolic rift has more to do with developing a holistic approach.) In North Carolina, hog feces and urine fall through grated floors and get flushed every few weeks into open-air pits, which can hold around 5 million gallons. The solids sink to the bottom and the liquid — along with antibiotics and bacteria, like fecal coliforms and salmonella — is sprayed onto farmers' fields. While nitrogen in the waste is a useful source of fertilizer, runoff is a leading cause of drinking water contamination in rural America and can cause harmful algae blooms. https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/9k7vje/you-can-feel-the-spray-poop-lagoons-are-making-life-hell-for-african-americans-in-north-carolina _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Class and minority struggles in Iran today: Interview with Kamran Matin | Lefteast
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[Marxism] Study: Obama voters switched to Trump because of race - Vox
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[Marxism] Political Gingervitis: Episode 26-Danny Haiphong of Black Agenda Report
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * We talk about the way that neoliberalism and corporate monopolies co-opt the vocabulary and grammar of liberation struggle, case and point being the BLACK PANTHER film and Colin Kaepernick's recent advertising deal with Nike. < https://rimediacoop.org/podcast/political-gingervitis-episode-26-danny-haiphong/ > -- Best regards, Andrew Stewart _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] US envoy for Syria praises Sochi Deal and implementation
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Contrary to Assadist/Putinist propaganda US imperialism supports the Sochi Deal and is happy with progress as the deal is aimed at the liquidation of the Syrian Revolution https://aawsat.com/english/home/article/1430451/us-official-idlib-deal-freezes-syria-conflict I allow myself to draw attention to some of our recently published articles which explain the interests of US imperialism in Syria. https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/high-ranking-u-s-delegation-meets-assad-s-security-chief/ https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/u-s-imperialism-wants-to-re-engage-with-the-assad-tyranny/ https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/how-u-s-strategists-view-the-syrian-revolution/ -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net) www.rkob.net ak...@rkob.net Tel./SMS/WhatsApp/Telegram: +43-650-4068314 --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
