[Marxism] The Party's Over: Bernie?s Last Dance With the Dems

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I do not understand why people, such as many in the CPUSA, keep suggesting
that Warren is "anti-capitalist".  Her record shows different as someone who
supported every military budget and war.  She is just a lying politician - and
with her long years of activism as a reactionary in Oklahoma, the CPUSA crowd
is now supportive of bourgeois feminists, as militarists such as Hillary Clinton
and now Elizabeth Warren. Any corporate  democrat will do for them?

And what is outrageous when there is an actual social democrat as Bernie 
Sanders,
the CPUSA crowd instead of doing all they can to help Sanders, are suggesting:
"there is no real political differences between Warren and Sanders"

- that is b.s.

And for those sectarians on this list, who remind me of what Lenin wrote about
such, who sat round in comfort in the Paris cafe's, complaining that there 
should
be nothing done, until they approve of the political awareness of those in 
motion.

There are actually many people in motion supporting the Bernie Sanders Campaign
and not waiting for "approval" from those sitting and doing not much else than 
that!

Reality, that millions are supporting a Bernie Sanders for U. S. President 
Campaign
and raising Class Awareness. It does not fit political wishes of some who would
like to be leading themselves, as "so knowing all" - and you can ignore or 
pretend - but
it will not stop or change the events ahead.  You should instead as myself, get 
involved
in the largest election campaign promoting socialist views ever seen in our 
lifetimes.
Feel The Bern and stop abstaining, to only help the opposition to a president 
Sanders.

Who benefits from that?  Not the world's working class - and that seems why you
should be supporting Bernie NOW and we can see if obstacles and successes ahead
might get you even more involved and recognize why this is not "usual times and
just another usual U. S. election".





.

That's why I support Bernie's promise to support whoever the DEMS nominate
--- and will figtht like a tiger for him (or Warren) against ruling class
betrayal if one of them surprises us and gets the nomination ...


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Re: [Marxism] The Party's Over: Bernie?s Last Dance With the Dems

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Michael, I said we had been warned about fascism every four years, and you
responded only that you didn't warm us about fascism.  I take you on your
word and congratulate you for your relative level-headedness.

But I still heard it.

Still, in your relative level-headedness, three of the elections during
which you acknowledge to have raised this cry ended in a triumph for what
you called the fascists.  Reagan won in 1984, Bush in 2004, and Trump in
2016.  Right?

All deplorable and to be fought as hard and effectively as we can.  But not
fascism.  We saw more political repression at other points in our lives and
the racial demagoguery is especially discouraging, but let's not delude
ourselves about Trump's predecessors.

Which gets us back to the question of our effectiveness.  You assert that
this requires supporting whoever the Democrats use to keep Sanders or
Warren from the nomination, but you can't really seperate Reagan's
successes from Democratic subservience to his nonsensical trickle down
creed, or even as he utterly ignored the law in Iran -Contra.

And Dubya's dangerous war-mongering was so dangerous first and foremost
because he faced virtually no opposition from the other party.  Democrats
happily circulated through the news shows, pimping his WMD lies, spreading
the paranoia about germ warfare, funding his invasions, and building whole
new dimensions of the surveillance state in his service.

And before he ran for president as a Republican, Trump spent more time as a
Democrat than as a Republican.

Yes, Trump is different and the most detestable president in our lifetime.
But we got him, in large part, by not building a real opposition.  Easier
to pass the buck to the Democrats, even though we know what they have done
... and have no basis for thinking they will do otherwise.

It is precisely because the stakes are so high that we have to start trying
something different. Finding something that will work.
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Re: [Marxism] "Does it matter if Sanders or Biden is the next president?

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Krugman is wrong --- and that's why the ruling class is so scared of
Sanders --- the organization of populist pressure from the people will move
the needle --- even if a very little bit at first

But I also think on one level he's right -- both Biden and Sanders would
stop Trumpism in its tracks --- and maybe even open the door to doing
something about climate change ---

but if either wins, our need to struggle and fight for what we want will be
stronger than if Trump wins a second term (because if T wins, total despair
is probably the appropriate response --- )
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Re: [Marxism] The Party's Over: Bernie?s Last Dance With the Dems

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I was responding to a (rhetorical) question which implied that in EVERY
Presidential elections "we" have been "warned" about fascism --- I do
believe that there were "warnings" about fascism in those elections but
definitely not the majority of them beginnig in 1960 --- certainly many
people felt Goldwater was a fascist (and a trigger-happy warmonger) --- but
actually, with 20-20 hindsight, except for "W" in 2004 (with his "signing
statements" and the war in Iraq) those fears were probably groundless until
2016 ---

Yes -- TRUMP is different --- but there is only a SEGMENT of the ruling
class that is against him -- plenty are ready to publicly support him if
the "wrong" Democrat gets nominated --- after all, he gave them
deregulation, tax cuts and a right wing Judiciary to maintain the current
version of neo-liberalism without worry that an angry electorate will vote
them out 

Plenty of industrialists and bankers made their peace with Hitler -- just
as their Italian counterparts made peace with Mussolini 

To the extent that the ruling class is split, we have a chance for a
coalition broad enough to beat Trump 

That's why I support Bernie's promise to support whoever the DEMS nominate
--- and will figtht like a tiger for him (or Warren) against ruling class
betrayal if one of them surprises us and gets the nomination ...


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Re: [Marxism] The Party's Over: Bernie?s Last Dance With the Dems

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Michael Meeropol writes: "we worried about fascism with Goldwater, with
Reagan in 1984, with "W" in 2004 and with Trump in 2016"

There are some very good reasons not to support the Democrats, but the idea
that what we're facing in Trump is essentially similar to what we faced
with Goldwater, Reagan and Bush is not one of them.

I don't think we're facing fascism, but what we are facing is fundamentally
different from anything I've seen in my lifetime, and I suspect in the
lifetime of everybody else on this list (or in the US, for that matter).
Even the top capitalist strategists recognize it. Max Boot, lifetime
conservative Republican strategist, just wrote a column in which he
denounces not only Trump but the entire Republican Party, which he thinks
is past salvation. Neoconservative John Bolton has clearly turned against
Trump. John Kelly is already on that same road. A former head of the CIA (I
forget his name) has denounced Trump as being guilty of "betrayal". We've
never seen anything like this before. Meanwhile, the far right racists and
xenophobes - some outright fascists but many others too - are stirred up
and confident in a way that I've never seen. And the attack on the
independent (from the government, not the capitalist class) media is
unprecedented. No, I don't have illusions in the NY Times, but they are
different from RT or some such.

Yes, as an article in *Foreign Affairs* said, "this time it's different".

John Reimann
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Re: [Marxism] Bernie's last dance with the Dems

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As far as the NYT article and Maduro:

In the first place, the economic collapse started well before the US
blockade. In the second place, the article shows the luxurious lifestyle of
the Bolibourgeoisie that is encouraged by the economic policies of Maduro.
Of course, it only shows part of those policies, not the wage cuts that
Maduro is responsible for. True, the article doesn't show Maduro for the
authoritarian that he is, but when you have such luxury amidst massive
poverty, and when you have massive government corruption as well as
economic policies that help drive both the poverty as well as the wealth of
the bolibourgeoisie, you would have to have authoritarianism.

As far as opposing the US blockade - of course I oppose it, but my comment
was in response to what Kavanagh wrote, and his view is the common one on
the left - blind support for Maduro. We should contrast that approach to
that of Trotsky, who always opposed capitalist intervention into the Soviet
Union but didn't allow that opposition to stop him for one moment in
condemning the Stalinist bureaucracy. Unfortunately, all too much of the
left has abandoned that approach, and capitalism has not even been
overthrown in Venezuela! Instead, what we see is a repetition of the
approach of the supporters of Stalin - blind denial of what is really
happening in Venezuela.

John Reimann
On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 3:59 PM Chris Slee  wrote:

> The New York Times article does not show that Maduro is a dictator.  What
> it shows is that the ruthless US economic blockade has been effective.  It
> has forced Maduro to make concessions to the capitalist class.
>
> Whether it has totally destroyed the revolution is less clear.  For a
> different view, see:
>
>
> https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/01/29/venezuela-january-2020-hardship-and-resistance/
>
>
> For socialists in the US and its allies such as Australia, our main
> emphasis should be on opposing the blockade rather than denouncing Maduro.
>
> Chris Slee
>
>
> --
> *From:* Marxism  on behalf of John
> Reimann via Marxism 
> *Sent:* Monday, 3 February 2020 6:42 AM
> *To:* Chris Slee 
> *Subject:* Re: [Marxism] Bernie's last dance with the Dems
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> Just because somebody says something doesn't make it so.
>
> Sanders is denounced for calling Maduro a dictator? Well, yes, he actually
> is a dictator and who is benefiting from it is made clear in this NYT
> article that I've been trying to post. (I'm guessing it's too long.)
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/world/americas/Venezuela-economy-dollars.html?fbclid=IwAR2ci-gIEQ9gmhqaaHmMW2gVni8UL-TFOgs4gNKCh9xgweF9bT-8WJ9ejBk
> It's the bolibourgeoisie, which is living it up now that dollars are
> allowed to be repatriated and the Venezuelan economy has been officially
> dolarized.
>
> The "phony Russiagate narrative"? Yes, Russia/Putin did actually intervene
> in the 2016 elections. Did their intervention cause the Democrats to lose?
> Of course not in and of itself, but according to the book "House of Trump
> House of Putin" it influenced something like 3% of the vote - possibly
> enough to swing the vote in several key states.
>
> The author writes: "Similar principled differences can be seen in programs
> like free tuition, and cancellation of medical and student debt."
> Differences over a reform program doesn't make those principled just
> because Kavanagh says they are.
>
> Sanders a "social democrat"? Social democracy developed as a wing of the
> working class movement. For all its faults and outright betrayals, at least
> it is based on the working class having its own party. In contrast, there
> is a wing of capitalist politics that advocates granting some reforms to
> the working class in order to help contain the class conflict. That wing
> was known as "liberalism", a term that came under disfavor in the late '70s
> and rebranded itself as "progressive". Since the collapse of the Soviet
> Union and Stalinism, it's now being rebranded as "democratic socialist".
> Just because Sanders calls himself a democratic socialist doesn't make him
> a socialist of any sort. Nor does Kavanagh's repeating the claim make it
> so.
>
> I looked up some of Kavanagh's other scribblings, such as one which calls
> Soleimani a "respected general". Kavanagh should try asking the Syrians
> about 

[Marxism] Partition of Ireland

[Philip Ferguson via Marxism]

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Contrary to both the book and the review, the partition of Ireland had
nothing to do with the warring natives.

It was imposed by the British ruling class and their state to defeat the
Irish national liberation struggle and bring about the most conservative
outcome to that struggle.

The Unionists didn't want or ask for partition, the Nationalists certainly
didn't and even the British politicians originally were not keen on it.
The Brits took it up as a way of throwing a barrier across Irish radicalism
and the possibility that a left-wing Ireland would represent a threat on
Britain's western flank, especially in the wake of the Russian Revolution.

It's very strange to see a post on Marxmail pushing a view - the warring
natives did it, milord - that is actually the one the imperialists pushed
to justify their partition.

Phil
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[Marxism] New on Redline blog

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Most recently on Redline blog:

Review of the film 'Just Mercy':
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2020/02/03/film-review-just-mercy/

Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine: Zionists use Holocaust Forum
to cover up their crimes against the Palestinians:
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/popular-front-for-the-liberation-of-palestine-zionists-use-holocaust-forum-to-cover-up-their-crimes-against-the-palestinians/

Samidoun (Palestinian Prisoner Solidarity Network) on Trump “deal of the
century” to  crush Palestinian freedom crush Palestinian freedom:
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2020/02/02/samidoun-palestinian-prisoner-solidarity-network-on-trump-deal-of-the-century-to-crush-palestinian-freedom/

Britain exits the European Union and takes a sharp right turn:
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2020/01/20/britain-exits-the-european-union-and-takes-a-sharp-right-turn/

The timely death of the British Labour Party:
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2020/01/14/the-timely-death-of-the-british-labour-party/
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Re: [Marxism] The Party’s Over: Bernie’s Last Dance With the Dems - CounterPunch.org

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What's wrong with Hindenburg?

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> Show of hands here . . . does anybody remember an election where we haven't
> heard about the imminent threat of fascism?  :-)
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> Still, the alarm would be serious enough to have my attention if it wasn't
> all aimed to get me to vote for Hindenburg . . . .
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Re: [Marxism] The Party’s Over: Bernie’s Last Dance With the Dems - CounterPunch.org

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1960, 1968, 1972, 1976, 1980, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2008, 2012

we worried about fascism with Goldwater, with Reagan in 1984, with "W" in
2004 and with Trump in 2016 ---

don't remember "worrying" about fascism in any of the other elections 

On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 6:44 PM Mark Lause  wrote:

> Show of hands here . . . does anybody remember an election where we
> haven't heard about the imminent threat of fascism?  :-)
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[Marxism] [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Recent material on The Irish Revolution site

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*The Blinding of Emma Groves - front cover of 'Socialist Woman',
March-April 1972*
Emma Groves was a working class woman in Belfast who was shot inside her
house at point blank range by a British solider in November 1971.  She was
shot with a rubber bullet because she refused to obey his order for her to
shut her window.
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1si0-i4w06ZzLdCagKiGFnArZ4KVnPLVYlN8HarFY0aiQjBSJG3CPi8x5CRTwiwgfrKX18lnSKqpshn2QcLJHgCQweY89zQJbhV7EDls9_Mu-jeF1DGEX8QekHOg9OWqPnEbxXzNW-eTNI_4xSIH1uZmHf0pPRWIady-B61a0KcWtSPmy_4EPHmkAoj1itYA3dDGozQvNoJbcP42qeu3glaEqUV9LSsxZNDqmrWcUPb5y2yGCojX4Yitnw7mXjnknT-2w1tZjZ1fbqNgqwI4TuyB7mYMSLhCkbMO5qSAWK22QHmEUfx_NR8cmlenUYxwJ1NahY738LqiPKeUuu58_-A8lSRIqRWdpgZLCA8P-_0xXI9BbWqPU2md8PKiKz1EGzIi9eeMQcKgWKC-XPmP57A/https%3A%2F%2Ftheirishrevolution.wordpress.com%2F2020%2F02%2F01%2Fremembering-the-blinding-of-emma-groves%2F

*Our-choice-lay-in-submitting-to-foreign-lawlessness-or-resisting-it-and-we-did-not-hesitate-to-choose-roger-casement-on-trial-for-his-life*
Sir Roger Casement, British diplomat and knight; Irish revolutionary.
Casement was the last figure involved in the 1916 Rebellion in Ireland to
be executed, being hung in Pentonville Prison, London in August 1916.  His
trial speech is a fine example of Irish republican integrity and resistance.
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In the November 1918 British general election, Sinn Fein swept the boards
across most of Ireland, capturing 73 of the 105 Irish seats at
Westminster.  They stood on an abstentionist platform.  In January 1919,
the elected Sinn Fein MPs, rather than taking their seats at Westminster,
met in Dublin and established an independent Irish parliament (Dail
Eireann), declared independence and adopted the Democratic Programme,
embracing radical social change to benefit the vast majority of the
population.  Here is the Democratic Programme in both the Irish and English
languages.
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New Year statement by the socialist-republican organisation Eirigi:
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Re: [Marxism] Bernie's last dance with the Dems

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The New York Times article does not show that Maduro is a dictator.  What it 
shows is that the ruthless US economic blockade has been effective.  It has 
forced Maduro to make concessions to the capitalist class.

Whether it has totally destroyed the revolution is less clear.  For a different 
view, see:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/01/29/venezuela-january-2020-hardship-and-resistance/


For socialists in the US and its allies such as Australia, our main emphasis 
should be on opposing the blockade rather than denouncing Maduro.

Chris Slee



From: Marxism  on behalf of John Reimann 
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Just because somebody says something doesn't make it so.

Sanders is denounced for calling Maduro a dictator? Well, yes, he actually
is a dictator and who is benefiting from it is made clear in this NYT
article that I've been trying to post. (I'm guessing it's too long.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/world/americas/Venezuela-economy-dollars.html?fbclid=IwAR2ci-gIEQ9gmhqaaHmMW2gVni8UL-TFOgs4gNKCh9xgweF9bT-8WJ9ejBk
It's the bolibourgeoisie, which is living it up now that dollars are
allowed to be repatriated and the Venezuelan economy has been officially
dolarized.

The "phony Russiagate narrative"? Yes, Russia/Putin did actually intervene
in the 2016 elections. Did their intervention cause the Democrats to lose?
Of course not in and of itself, but according to the book "House of Trump
House of Putin" it influenced something like 3% of the vote - possibly
enough to swing the vote in several key states.

The author writes: "Similar principled differences can be seen in programs
like free tuition, and cancellation of medical and student debt."
Differences over a reform program doesn't make those principled just
because Kavanagh says they are.

Sanders a "social democrat"? Social democracy developed as a wing of the
working class movement. For all its faults and outright betrayals, at least
it is based on the working class having its own party. In contrast, there
is a wing of capitalist politics that advocates granting some reforms to
the working class in order to help contain the class conflict. That wing
was known as "liberalism", a term that came under disfavor in the late '70s
and rebranded itself as "progressive". Since the collapse of the Soviet
Union and Stalinism, it's now being rebranded as "democratic socialist".
Just because Sanders calls himself a democratic socialist doesn't make him
a socialist of any sort. Nor does Kavanagh's repeating the claim make it so.

I looked up some of Kavanagh's other scribblings, such as one which calls
Soleimani a "respected general". Kavanagh should try asking the Syrians
about that one. He also seems to have few criticisms of this century's
worst tyrant - Assad.

Oh, yes, and one last thing: Calling somebody by their first name normally
implies having some sort of personal connection with them. Sanders lives in
part off of his kindly old uncle image, of which being known as "Bernie" is
an important part. But just because Kavanagh falls into that lingo doesn't
make it so. My guess is that he's never met Sanders, never will meet him,
and Sanders won't be over at Kavanagh's table for this year's Thanksgiving
family dinner.

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Re: [Marxism] The Party’s Over: Bernie’s Last Dance With the Dems - CounterPunch.org

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Show of hands here . . . does anybody remember an election where we haven't
heard about the imminent threat of fascism?  :-)

Still, the alarm would be serious enough to have my attention if it wasn't
all aimed to get me to vote for Hindenburg . . . .
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[Marxism] Bloody Sunday, the burning of the British embassy in Dublin, and how the Southern quislings got the initiative back

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Three days after the British paratroopers murdered peaceful civil rights
protesters on the streets of Derry at the end of January 1972, tens of
thousands of people marched in Dublin to the British embassy and burnt it
to the ground. The Southern state decided to stand back was the smartest
policy. They knew the Southern masses were fired up and it was best not to
put themselves between those masses and the British state. Republicans held
the high ground and the northern resistance forces enjoyed mass support in
the south.

Less than a decade later, in the 1981 hunger strikes, the Southern state
unleashed violence against the mass movement, however. They were prepared
to use the guards (the Southern cops) to beat thousands and thousands of
supporters of the hunger strikers off the streets. This article, written on
the 40th anniversary of Bloody Sunday (in 2012) looks at what happened in
the aftermath of the massacre and the burning of the Brit embassy and how
the Southern quislings got back the initiative.

https://theirishrevolution.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/the-burning-of-the-british-embassy-40-years-on/
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[Marxism] The Fairway bankruptcy and the role of private equity | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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Re: [Marxism] The 1619 Project Devours Its Liberal Parents | Counter-Currents Publishing

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On 2/2/20 1:22 PM, A.R. G wrote:
It sounds like they are criticizing the critics of the 1619 Project 
rather than the Project itself.


You're right. I skimmed the article. Reading it more carefully now, it 
takes a 3rd position, namely that Project 1619 was right in seeing white 
supremacy as rooted in American history but wrong in condemning it. This 
is how he puts it:


Our nation is great due to its founding stock and those Europeans who 
assimilated to it, not to words on a piece of paper. “All men are 
created equal” is not the core of our country–it’s the historic American 
nation. The Founding Fathers were ethno-nationalists and racial 
egalitarianism repulsed them.

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Re: [Marxism] Bernie's last dance with the Dems

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Just because somebody says something doesn't make it so.

Sanders is denounced for calling Maduro a dictator? Well, yes, he actually
is a dictator and who is benefiting from it is made clear in this NYT
article that I've been trying to post. (I'm guessing it's too long.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/world/americas/Venezuela-economy-dollars.html?fbclid=IwAR2ci-gIEQ9gmhqaaHmMW2gVni8UL-TFOgs4gNKCh9xgweF9bT-8WJ9ejBk
It's the bolibourgeoisie, which is living it up now that dollars are
allowed to be repatriated and the Venezuelan economy has been officially
dolarized.

The "phony Russiagate narrative"? Yes, Russia/Putin did actually intervene
in the 2016 elections. Did their intervention cause the Democrats to lose?
Of course not in and of itself, but according to the book "House of Trump
House of Putin" it influenced something like 3% of the vote - possibly
enough to swing the vote in several key states.

The author writes: "Similar principled differences can be seen in programs
like free tuition, and cancellation of medical and student debt."
Differences over a reform program doesn't make those principled just
because Kavanagh says they are.

Sanders a "social democrat"? Social democracy developed as a wing of the
working class movement. For all its faults and outright betrayals, at least
it is based on the working class having its own party. In contrast, there
is a wing of capitalist politics that advocates granting some reforms to
the working class in order to help contain the class conflict. That wing
was known as "liberalism", a term that came under disfavor in the late '70s
and rebranded itself as "progressive". Since the collapse of the Soviet
Union and Stalinism, it's now being rebranded as "democratic socialist".
Just because Sanders calls himself a democratic socialist doesn't make him
a socialist of any sort. Nor does Kavanagh's repeating the claim make it so.

I looked up some of Kavanagh's other scribblings, such as one which calls
Soleimani a "respected general". Kavanagh should try asking the Syrians
about that one. He also seems to have few criticisms of this century's
worst tyrant - Assad.

Oh, yes, and one last thing: Calling somebody by their first name normally
implies having some sort of personal connection with them. Sanders lives in
part off of his kindly old uncle image, of which being known as "Bernie" is
an important part. But just because Kavanagh falls into that lingo doesn't
make it so. My guess is that he's never met Sanders, never will meet him,
and Sanders won't be over at Kavanagh's table for this year's Thanksgiving
family dinner.

John Reimann


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[Marxism] Coronavirus Hysteria and Revolutionary Answer

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Re: [Marxism] The 1619 Project Devours Its Liberal Parents | Counter-Currents Publishing

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It sounds like they are criticizing the critics of the 1619 Project rather
than the Project itself.

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Re: [Marxism] The Party’s Over: Bernie’s Last Dance With the Dems - CounterPunch.org

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Spoiler alert -- what follows is a BROKEN RECORD ---

It is possible that every word in the article by Kavanaugh is correct and
his prediction of what Bernie would do after a brokered convention takes
the nomination away from him  (though I actually believe Warren is NOT
a DNC "liberal" ---she's a bit more radical than that and thereforescary to
the establishment --- but leave that aside!) --- is ALSO correct.

That leaves out the answer to the question that the writer neglects to
answer --- he says, when Bernie makes his peace with the Dems'
establishment all his supporters will have to leave the Democratic Party --

Will they have to vote for Howie Hawkins or stay home in November 2020 in
order to punish the Democratic Establishment?

The writer doesn't answer but that is of course the important question --

I've made it clear I think Trump's fascism and climate denialism is
QUALITATIVELY different from (and more dangerous than) ANY Democrat -- even
(gasp!) Bloomberg.

WIll not try to re-argue that - but merely note that the writer goes right
up to that question and does not (unless I read the piece wrong) answer
it.



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Re: [Marxism] The 1619 Project Devours Its Liberal Parents | Counter-Currents Publishing

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Yeah but this article is a bit much  is the 1619 PROJECT really so
sullied by "anti-white racialism"???   I don't remember feeling that when I
read the first issue of the NY Times Magazine ---
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[Marxism] The 1619 Project Devours Its Liberal Parents | Counter-Currents Publishing

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White supremacists line up with Socialist Equality Party on Project 1619.

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[Marxism] Why Democrats share the blame for the rise of Donald Trump | Robert Reich | Opinion | The Guardian

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