Re: [Marxism] Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: Where Is the Outrage Over Anti-Semitism in Sports and Hollywood?

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Anyone else notice that KAJ seems to have an awfully narrow idea of what
"Anti-Semitism in Hollywood" looks like? Almost like he is only looking for
anti-Semitism among those who fit a very particular description. Perhaps he
was trained in identifying anti-Semitism by the NYPD chiefs behind
Stop-and-Frisk. Even the white Jew he goes after is under attack for
reblogging Farrakhan.

Let's be serious, we are undergoing one of most massive Black-led
rebellions against racism and capitalism in decades and they are recycling
the same manipulative nonsense that they have used since they torched SNCC
and the BPP fifty years ago. They can't come out and accuse Blacks of being
"anti-white" and so-forth because it will strengthen white nationalism and
thereby exacerbate racial tensions in the U.S. So instead they are digging
through (mostly has-been) Black celebrities' statements looking for empty
rhetoric so they can portray Black people as enemies of other minority
groups with the (very obvious) dog whistle that the primary concern is
offense toward those who have been assimilated into whiteness. The
witch-hunt for anti-Semitism is post-CRM white supremacy.

KAJ's comments that they are wrong-headed because Black people and Jews
have both suffered discrimination is pretty tonedeaf. Every single one of
these comments that are prompting scrutiny, no matter how crude or
conspiratorial they are, are a form of *punching up*. None of the comments
by Nick Cannon, Ice Cube, etc. are about suggesting that Jews need to be
put in their place, that they should be terrorized with lynchings to
prevent them from organizing for better jobs, etc. None of them are about
using racial terror to discipline others. So the comparison is, frankly,
offensive. The motivation behind these comments is pretty obvious; like
other crude explanations of racial capitalism, they are attempts to explain
the enormous success and cultural influence of Jews, including in
Hollywood, that Blacks continue to lack outside of a small coterie of
wealthy elites.

I also want to note something that I find particularly demeaning about the
attacks on Chelsea Handler. Handler, who is both white and Jewish, posted a
video of Farrakhan on Phil Donahue's talk show (where he interviewed
various fringe figures in the 1980s and 1990s), and it prompted likes from
other prominent white women, including Jessica Chastain, Jennifer Garner,
Jennifer Aniston, and Michelle Pfieffer. That is, all of these very
prominent, and very white, and in some cases very Jewish, women expressed
their sympathy and support for Farrakhan's comments.

And anyone who has actually seen the video (which is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMpICsEa3l0) knows exactly why. No matter
what blame Farrakhan deserves for derailing the Black resistance, causing
Malcolm X's death, being unhinged, etc., anyone who watches his interview
with Donahue will see that Farrakhan and his supporters were saying things
in 1985 that were impermissible in American society until 2014, especially
when he begins arguing with the audience:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMpICsEa3l0#t=18m0s

KAJ and others are shaming white women when they actually listen rather
than when they defend Joe Biden (that is, when they are doing what is right
instead of what is white).

Amith R. Gupta


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Re: [Marxism] (99+) (PDF) Academic Corruption, the Israel Lobby, and 9/11, or, Why I have resigned from my emeritus status at the University of Sussex | Kees Van der Pijl - Academia.edu

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It is obvious why many people believe the U.S. (and Israel) did 9/11: they
(and, re: Israel, their supporters) ruthlessly exploited the tragedy and
deaths to justify policies that came afterward. Those who exploit tragedies
will always be accused of fabricating them. That is also why I strongly
disagree with any suggestion that anyone who does choose to embrace such
theories, including Van Der Pjil, are "anti-Semites," as his university
suggested before firing him. Conspiracy theories of this nature are aimed
at the Israeli state and U.S. state. That they are ludicrous does not make
them racist. Indeed, the argument that such theories are anti-Semitic
because they resemble tropes that attribute power to Jews is
indistinguishable from similar propaganda about the Israel Lobby, etc. It
is another example of powerful states being subject to criticisms that
non-powerful actors do not deal with -- and pro-Israel propagandists
thereby conflating discussions of such power with anti-Semitic tropes.

As for why a serious political scientist would join the fray with such a
bizarre endorsement, it is another story entirely. He is clearly off his
rocker.

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>  To show how "sheltered" I am -- I never heard of this guy ---
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> I knew that there was some "scuttlebutt" in the Arab world that all Jews
> were told not to go to work On sept. 11, 2001 in the twin towers  (dont'
> the remember the "Israelis did it" part but that's logical ...given the
> first "fact")  and of course I know the 9-11 truthers who believe the Bush
> Administrataion orchestrated 9-11 (even one from an old friend of mind that
> the plane NEVER hit the Pentatgon -- that the "hole" was made by a missile
> --- who "photos" to prove it!!) ---
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> I guess human capacity to convince themselves to believe what they want to
> believe is infinite!!
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Re: [Marxism] Harper's Published an Awful Open Letter About "Toleration" | The Mary Sue

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So Noam Chomsky is a transphobia-defender now?

This piece is garbage. Of course some of the people in the list are
right-wing hypocrites (Bari Weiss, obviously) but the rest of this piece is
trash. Indeed, the list of examples that the author presumes the
signatories are criticizing don't consist of examples of people using their
platforms to be awful. Some of them, particularly the quoting of the N-word
show the exact opposite: that positions of power and influence are being
used to teach the works of anti-racist luminaries like MLK and James
Baldwin. Another example was a graphic video that showed the (graphic)
nature of lynchings and slavery. This echoes the manipulative campaign that
was used by neoliberal types to get rid of the communist mural at the high
school in San Francisco that properly labelled George Washignton a slave
owner. I wonder if any of these trigger-warning types would suggest
shutting down the Holocaust museum because its content is graphic?

That the author of this piece throws in quoting the N-word from one of
their books with trying to dehumanize transgender people or something is
absolute nonsense.

Moreover, the author seems to have conveniently left out all of the times
where leftist causes have faced cancellation and censorship, the most
obvious being Palestine. I'm inclined to agree with the author that people
criticizing you is not a form of "censorship" per se but the use of
Twitter, Facebook, etc. to swarm on professors for making ideological faux
pas is a deeply troubling development in my book.In my view the bigger
issue is that this dynamic is simply ignored when the targets are leftists,
and indeed, this piece simply erased the most prominent example of cancel
culture and censorship on college campuses, which is the attempts to
destroy the lives of scholars and activists for Palestine.

Amith R. Gupta


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Re: [Marxism] Gone With the Wind

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I would distinguish between racial elements and a wholly racist propaganda
plotline. GWTW and BoN didn't just have racism, they *were* racism.

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> Most movies made before the 1960s, that come close to dealing with race or
> with having racial or racialized components or figures in them, are going
> to be suspect on these grounds. This is going to be a case-by-case search
> and decision-making process, and there will be many close calls, though all
> movies should have a copy at a central museum of film. I am for keeping
> "Casablanca" in regular use, as I deem its racist components too minor to
> cause such a good and classic film to disappear from public availability.
> But that sort of judgment must be applied to many films; some will be put
> away, most (I suspect) will survive. WH
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> > Did not assert that. Museumed is what needs to be done with these,
> as I
> > wrote, with a critique. As, I believe, that TCM is going to do
> exactly
> > that with GWTW, i.e. shown with a socio-political analysis preceding
> and
> > following the film. And TCM is such a museum open to all.
> >
> > What about "Casablanca" with Dooley Wilson's 'Sam' and Ingrid
> Bergman's
> > 'Elsa' asking 'Renault', the Vichy official, about the "boy" playing
> the
> > piano? With its magnificent music accompanying. Not only "As Time
> Goes
> > By" but with the stirring anti-fascist rendition of "La Marseillaise"
> > conjured up by the courage of 'Victor Laszlo'? Yet another
> remarkable and
> > classic piece of film only to be available "to be studied in film
> classes"?
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> > Etc., etc., etc.
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> > JAI
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 2:10 PM A.R. G  mailto:amithrgu...@gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> > > > Even Birth of a Nation, to my understanding, was treated as
> a cinematic
> > > accomplishment. Maybe both should be studied in film classes
> but they need
> > > not be treated as normal/socially acceptable films to be
> screened just for
> > > entertainment.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020, 12:34 PM John A Imani via Marxism <
> > > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu mailto:marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > >>
> > >> I am black. 72 years old. An anarcho-Marxian. And, as an adult,
> have
> > >> logged 50+ years of participation in many many movements always
> to be found
> > >> in the same place: on the front line. I make those statements
> because I
> > >> have never sought nor accepted the privileges of race, age, my
> grasp of
> > >> politico-economics and/or the braggadocio resulting from
> "Jaws"-like
> > >> comparisons of battle scars.
> > >>
> > >> And because of these experiences and this disposition I invite
> criticism
> > >> as I have never feared being wrong only of being incorrect. And,
> on this,
> > >> especially at this special time.
> > >>
> > >> "GWTW" is beautifully filmed, finely acted, magnificently scored,
> if
> > >> historically inaccurate, depiction of the ante-, inter- and
> post-bellum
> > >> South. It is a work of art even if also an agent of racism.
> It--like
> > >> statues and monuments klan outfittings and speeches--belongs with
> those
> > >> brethren in a museum. And alongside these mementos explanations
> and
> > >> criticisms giving these their proper contexts. In this case that
> museum's
> > >> name is TCM.
> > >>
> > >> I recently saw for the first time Hattie McDaniels' acceptance
> speech
> > >>  for winning the
> Acad Award
> > >> for Best Supporting Actor. It was as magnificent as it was short,
> > >> 

Re: [Marxism] Gone With the Wind

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Even Birth of a Nation, to my understanding, was treated as a cinematic
accomplishment. Maybe both should be studied in film classes but they need
not be treated as normal/socially acceptable films to be screened just for
entertainment.

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> I am black.  72 years old.  An anarcho-Marxian.  And, as an adult, have
> logged 50+ years of participation in many many movements always to be found
> in the same place: on the front line.  I make those statements because I
> have never sought nor accepted the privileges of race, age, my grasp of
> politico-economics and/or the braggadocio resulting from  "Jaws"-like
> comparisons of battle scars.
>
> And because of these experiences and this disposition I invite criticism as
> I have never feared being wrong only of being incorrect.  And, on this,
> especially at this special time.
>
> "GWTW" is beautifully filmed, finely acted, magnificently scored, if
> historically inaccurate, depiction of the ante-, inter- and post-bellum
> South.  It is a work of art even if also an agent of racism.  It--like
> statues and monuments klan outfittings and speeches--belongs with those
> brethren in a museum.  And alongside these mementos explanations and
> criticisms giving these their proper contexts.  In this case that museum's
> name is TCM.
>
> I recently saw for the first time Hattie McDaniels' acceptance speech
>  for winning the Acad Award
> for Best Supporting Actor.  It was as magnificent as it was short,
> emotional and uplifting.  It was as grand as her portrayal of 'Mammy' in
> the film wherein I have never seen an actor so embody the conscious as well
> as the subconsciousness of the character portrayed.  Do we burn that film
> as some have burned books?
>
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Re: [Marxism] Protesters Attacked a State Senator and Tore Down a Statue of an Abolitionist in Wisconsin - VICE

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I'm really upset that you told me that because that makes this a million
times worse. Fuck those assholes, I hope BLM disavows their bullshit.

Amith R. Gupta


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> It can always be infiltrators.
>
> But, as I've always said, the stupidity of the Trump cult and its minions
> can be encountered across the political spectrum.
>
> Heg was not just an antislavery activist but associated with the emigre
> socialist current among the Wisconsin Free Democrats.  This was one of the
> more radical of the early antislavery parties--so much so that it ran
> Warren Chase, an open socialist for governor of Wisconsin in the 1850s.
> (Chase was, I think, the earliest American member of the First
> International.}
>
> If it was not done by right-wing infiltrators, it was an act of supreme
> dipshittery, worthy of the dumbest and most idiotic of liberals.
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>> Madison can explain what the fuck these people were thinking
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>> > (We evidently have a pandemic of stupidity in the ranks of monument
>> > destroyers.)
>> >
>> > In response to Johnson’s arrest, a large group of protesters gathered in
>> > downtown Madison chanting demands for his release. The protesters tore
>> > down two statues in front of the Capitol building, one of which was of
>> > Col. Hans Christian Heg, an anti-slavery activist who fought and died
>> > for the Union during the U.S. Civil War. the protesters decapitated the
>> > nearly 100-year-old sculpture and threw it into nearby Lake Monona.
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Re: [Marxism] Protesters Attacked a State Senator and Tore Down a Statue of an Abolitionist in Wisconsin - VICE

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Wondering if it might be infiltrators. Perhaps someone with contacts in
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> downtown Madison chanting demands for his release. The protesters tore
> down two statues in front of the Capitol building, one of which was of
> Col. Hans Christian Heg, an anti-slavery activist who fought and died
> for the Union during the U.S. Civil War. the protesters decapitated the
> nearly 100-year-old sculpture and threw it into nearby Lake Monona.
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Re: [Marxism] On the NASCAR's Banning of the Confederate Flag and its Social Implications

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emen, something which still seems to
> happen monthly or more frequently, 155 years after Appomattox.  For many
> black people it means constant struggle in their own minds and culture to
> assert and maintain a sense of humanity, a sense denied them by the racism
> which envelops them.  Amith, the Confederate flag MEANS racism.  Wherever
> you live in the South, look around and discover how many African-Americans
> fly this flag, or defend its use, much less glorify it.  How many of them
> speak well of it?
>
> Amith, you live in this world of the Old Confederacy now, though you were
> not born in it.  My own forebears, all born and reared in Virginia, owned
> human beings as slaves and fought -- my great-grandfather for all four
> years of the war -- to preserve the malign, ghastly, and deeply prejudicial
> institution of slavery.  All the wealth created by that society was due to
> enslaved people's work and deprivation but was claimed as theirs and as
> their own work-product by their non-laboring white owners.  His son, my
> grandfather, a successful politician from about 1895 through 1933, held
> black people in contempt and gloried in the supposed military exploits of
> his father (whom he could not remember, the man having drunk himself to
> death when my grandfather was four) and the other men and women who fought,
> often to the death, to preserve slavery and a regime using the labor of
> horribly treated black workers to build everything.  The worth of the slave
> South was embodied in, and produced by, the labor of people thought to be
> and treated as not really human.  This is what that flag means.  This is
> what it meant at NASCAR (which still has ONLY ONE nonwhite driver, the one
> who protested the use of the flag).  This is what it means to just about
> everyone in the US who sees it.
>
> Wythe
> 
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> its Social Implications
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> Speaking from an entirely personal perspective -- I am neither black nor
> white and I am not from the South (though I live there now) nor am I a fan
> of NASCAR or country music, though I am a fan of classic rock which appears
> to use the Confederate flag quite a bit until recently -- I am not sure it
> proves anything. I am also thinking of films like Gone with the Wind. Not
> only is the film a celebrated classic, the book is an international
> best-seller. It was sold even in India where my dad and his college friends
> read it and enjoyed it.
>
> I am guessing it is different for Southerners, both black and white. For
> people in other places I'm not sure the flag or other
> Confederacy-sympathizing kitsch like GWTW hold any particular significance
> at all. Maybe they should -- I mean, GWTW in retrospect is just 3 hours of
> Confederate propaganda -- but I don't think my dad or anyone else in India
> saw it that way. My dad took me to see it in a theater once when I was a
> kid. I was confused that the slave characters were so friendly with their
> former "owners," but beyond that I didn't really follow the plot and fell
> asleep.
>
> On the other hand, the author of GWTW has a house in Atlanta that now
> functions as a museum to her works, that is driving distance from my
> apartment. I was told by black activists in the community that in previous
> decades, when the area had not been gentrified and laced with security
> cameras, that activists had repeatedly attempted to burn it down.
>
> To me the issue is that insofar as parts of American culture are indicative
> of racism, it is not limited to the Confederacy. Indeed, I do detect some
> degree of hypocrisy. We are expected to throw out the Confederate flag, but
> we are told not to condemn the Union flag which was the flag of those who
> colonized the Western parts of America where indigenous people were
> brutally massacred (not to mention the wars on the rest of the world that
> are ongoing). We are also not allowed to burn the Israeli flag -- in fact,
> if we do so, then *we* are the racists. That is, of course, not a reason to
> whitewash Confederate symbols but as someone who associates most of
> American culture with racism and jingoism it is hard not 

Re: [Marxism] On the NASCAR's Banning of the Confederate Flag and its Social Implications

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Speaking from an entirely personal perspective -- I am neither black nor
white and I am not from the South (though I live there now) nor am I a fan
of NASCAR or country music, though I am a fan of classic rock which appears
to use the Confederate flag quite a bit until recently -- I am not sure it
proves anything. I am also thinking of films like Gone with the Wind. Not
only is the film a celebrated classic, the book is an international
best-seller. It was sold even in India where my dad and his college friends
read it and enjoyed it.

I am guessing it is different for Southerners, both black and white. For
people in other places I'm not sure the flag or other
Confederacy-sympathizing kitsch like GWTW hold any particular significance
at all. Maybe they should -- I mean, GWTW in retrospect is just 3 hours of
Confederate propaganda -- but I don't think my dad or anyone else in India
saw it that way. My dad took me to see it in a theater once when I was a
kid. I was confused that the slave characters were so friendly with their
former "owners," but beyond that I didn't really follow the plot and fell
asleep.

On the other hand, the author of GWTW has a house in Atlanta that now
functions as a museum to her works, that is driving distance from my
apartment. I was told by black activists in the community that in previous
decades, when the area had not been gentrified and laced with security
cameras, that activists had repeatedly attempted to burn it down.

To me the issue is that insofar as parts of American culture are indicative
of racism, it is not limited to the Confederacy. Indeed, I do detect some
degree of hypocrisy. We are expected to throw out the Confederate flag, but
we are told not to condemn the Union flag which was the flag of those who
colonized the Western parts of America where indigenous people were
brutally massacred (not to mention the wars on the rest of the world that
are ongoing). We are also not allowed to burn the Israeli flag -- in fact,
if we do so, then *we* are the racists. That is, of course, not a reason to
whitewash Confederate symbols but as someone who associates most of
American culture with racism and jingoism it is hard not to notice the
contradiction, particularly given that much of the Confederate kitsch is,
like many parts of American culture writ large, treated as banal and does
not have *apparently* racist connotations because it is mixed with so many
parts of American culture that have no apparent link to the Confederacy
(such as NASCAR or Lynnard Skynnard). I recall that when I visited Durham,
NC some time ago, the statue of a Confederate soldier had been toppled by
activists and there was simply an empty platform. But only a few feet away,
another statute for American soldiers commemorating the war on Vietnam was
left curiously untouched.

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> This  took me by surprise and I am interested how this will pan out as the
> fabric of social life is much more centered on sport and entertainment than
> on more formal institutions like police deps. Any meaningful change in
> policing must be accompanied by a win in the war of position, so to speak.
> Of course, there are virulent puritanical streaks in the U.S. left that
> dismiss sports in a opium of the masses type Frankfurt school idea of
> deluding the stupid working masses. As John pointed out, how the fan base
> reacts at large will be interesting and can be compared with how antiracist
> messaging has worked (and not worked) in world football. Also interesting
> is how dedicated the English Premier league is to honoring George Floyd,
> even having Black Lives Matter on the back of their kits.
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Re: [Marxism] Progressive politics stirring among Orthodox Jews - New York Daily News

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Obviously every community has its religious whackos. The whole point of the
article was that members of the Orthodox Jewish community were nonetheless
embracing struggles that had long been policed by conservative types and
community elders.

I'd note also that insofar as religious oppression takes place within
Orthodox communities it also happens *to* Orthodox Jews. We should support
those people when they raise issues of inequality generally. This notion
that everyone needs to drop their religious affiliations and customs is, in
my opinion, really facile and patronizing and also a misreading of the
phrase that John has quoted from Marx.

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Re: [Marxism] ‘A Slap in the Face’: Black Veterans on Bases Named for Confederates

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I have to be honest for a second. As much as I have no love for Confederate
generals, I also have no love for military bases regardless of what names
are given, nor for any of the other legions of racists that preceded the
Confederacy in U.S. history.

While I think the neo-Confederates and Trumpists are trying to rally around
Confederate kitsch to defend white supremacy I think it is equally
questionable how sincere the opposing camp is to claim they are motivated
primarily by "anti-racism". A really anti-racist proposal would not involve
renaming the bases. It would involve decommissioning them altogether --
particularly Fort Benning which is where the notorious School of Americas
operates.

That being said I know these performative stunts are appealing to people
and I suppose there is no harm, so...

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> NY Times, June 11, 2020
> ‘A Slap in the Face’: Black Veterans on Bases Named for Confederates
> By Jennifer Steinhauer
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> WASHINGTON — When Timothy Berry was recruiting black students for West
> Point, where he served as class president in 2013, he often reflected on
> his senior year, when he lived in the Robert E. Lee barracks. It
> bothered him then; it bothers him now.
>
> “I was trying to tell black and brown students that they would have a
> home there,” said Mr. Berry, who served as an Army captain with the
> 101st Airborne Division from 2013 to 2018. “It sent a very strong mixed
> message.”
>
> For many black service members, who make up about 17 percent of all
> active-duty military personnel, the Pentagon’s decision to consider
> renaming Army bases bearing the names of Confederate officers seems
> excruciatingly overdue. Generations of black service members signed up
> for the military to defend the values of their country, only to be
> assigned to bases named after people who represent its grimmest hour.
>
> “It is really kind of a slap in the face to those African-American
> soldiers who are on bases named after generals who fought for their
> cause,” said Jerry Green, a retired noncommissioned officer who trained
> at Ft. Bragg, N.C., which is named for a Confederate general, Braxton
> Bragg. “That cause was slavery.”
>
> There are 10 major Army installations named for generals who led
> Confederate troops — all in the former states of the Confederacy — as
> well as many streets and buildings on military academy campuses that are
> among at least 1,500 symbols of the Confederacy in public spaces in the
> United States.
>
> The push to rename military installations and place names is not new,
> and it is one that black service members and veterans, as well as groups
> including the National Association for the Advancement of Colored
> People, have largely pursued.
>
> The movement this week seemed to attract a growing consensus, including
> among former senior military officials of all races, before President
> Trump declared on Wednesday that he would block any of those 10 bases
> from being renamed.
>
> A petition by the liberal group VoteVets received over 20,000 signatures
> in 24 hours urging the military to ban Confederate symbols and rename
> Army bases, a spokesman for the organization said. In a poll conducted
> this week and released Thursday by the group, 47 percent of 935
> registered voters surveyed said they would support the removal of
> Confederate imagery across the entire military.
>
> The Marine Corps issued a ban last week on displays of the Confederate
> battle flag at its installations, and the chief of naval operations,
> Adm. Michael M. Gilday, wrote on Twitter Tuesday that he had directed
> his staff to “begin crafting an order” banning such displays from public
> spaces and work areas on bases, ships, aircraft and submarines. Leaders
> in the Army have called for bipartisan commissions to explore changing
> the names of some its installations.
>
> “The unique thing about this moment is that white friends and colleagues
> now see this,” said Mr. Berry, who lives in New York.
>
> After a white supremacist rally in 2017 in Charlottesville, Va., turned
> deadly when a man drove into a crowd of counterprotesters, and after a
> white police officer fatally shot a black teenager in Ferguson, Mo., in
> 2014, “these were 

Re: [Marxism] The Triumph of Black Lives Matter and Neoliberal Redemption By Cedric Johnson

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Some really, really bad analysis, if it can even be called that. So
corporate America is attempting to co-opt the protests. So what? That means
the protests themselves are an outgrowth of "neoliberalism"?

This is just reductionism / racism.

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> On 6/9/20 8:37 PM, Andrew Stewart via Marxism wrote:
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> > Almost consistently I have found this site to publish some pretty mean
> and petty things but this is good
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> Good for nothing, I'd say. It reminds me of Gus Hall fulminating against
> Malcolm X in the mid-60s. It is the same class reductionism that Adolph
> Reed peddles but even more extreme. It calls for black-white unity.
> Malcolm X said he was all for that but only after black unity was achieved.
>
> I thought this was particularly obtuse:
>
> "While a slim majority of Americans now believe police are more likely
> to use excessive force against blacks than other groups, millions more
> do not share the most militant calls to defund or dismantle police
> departments voiced by some activists." The same bullshit coming from
> both Biden *and* Sanders.
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Re: [Marxism] Minneapolis city council votes to disband police. Will they?

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It is remarkable how irrelevant both the Leftist vanguard groupuscules and
the NGO industry have been with what is the first serious rebellion in
American history in probably 40 years. I am on another NGO-dominated
list-serv and seeing people post empty statements that provide no tangible
support as well as offering trainings over arcane legal topics that have no
relevance to what people on the street can do is quite hilarious. It's like
a struggle to pretend to be relevant. I suppose those of us who are serious
should learn from their mistake and start being more humble about our own
irrelevance. For me, that has meant trying to limit my involvement in lefty
causes to services I can actually provide (like legal defense).

I think if someone is interested in forming some sort of political party to
channel the revolutionary spirit it should be learned through looking at
the people in Minneapolis and how they have managed to organize themselves.
And then contrast that with the dual Leftist(TM) and 501(c)3-inc.
organizations that have corrupted and misguided people who want a better
future.

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> I don't even see the embryo of the embryo of one. That's a steep price
> humanity is paying for the idiotic vanguardist pretensions that we were
> guilty of in the 60s and 70s. There are thousands of unorganized
> Marxists in the USA today. God willing, they will rise to the occasion
> and cohere.
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Re: [Marxism] antifa

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"But the idea that the last - Israel
supporters - is in any way a significant percentage is simply false "

It is more subtle. There are, of course, outright supporters of Israel
involved in Antifa and Autonomen groups, especially in Germany. They are
disgusting freaks but have no problem using their shared Islamophobia to
collaborate with the German state and the far-right, for example, in their
recent bid to close pro-Palestine DJs out of a popular Autonomist-aligned
club or their racist attacks on Rasmea Odeh.

In practice it is, however, more like feigned support for Palestine mixed
with bogus anti-Semitism witch-hunts, as outright attacks on Palestine
liberation are no longer acceptable among other left formations. Those
attitudes have been quite common in my experience, and they tail the
politics of Jewish liberal NGOs that have similarly contradictory positions
(IfNotNow, JFREJ, etc.). So they may not be flying the Israeli flag (as in
Germany) but they are still Zionists and have been pretty instrumental in
making Palestine liberation an exception in Left coalitions.

I'd add it's a problem that's not unique to Antifa but it's one place I've
seen it treated as acceptable. I'd also emphasize I am not saying everyone
involved in Antifa has Zionist or Zionist-apologetic politics, but enough
do and in my experience it wasn't discrediting or grounds for
exclusion/expulsion. Naturally I can't cite something more authoritative
than what I've witnessed personally, so I'll just leave it at that!

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> > Folks I know personally do not sneer at peaceful protests and work to
> > separate their actions so the old tired out narrative of peaceful
> > protest hijacked is provable to be false, along with the idea violence
> > is used that somehow soils the other peaceful protest when the fact is
> > that those who often put their bodies on the line protecting POC are
> > vilified and lumped in with looters (god forbid anyone loot) and
> > property destruction/vandalism.
>
> I am not even sure what it means to protect POC just as long it doesn't
> involve torching a post office or a library. When the Migizi American
> Indian community center burned down, someone excused it because it was
> an accident. It was collateral damage of the targeted building, the
> fucking post office. Who in their right mind would want to torch the
> post office that is paid for by our tax dollars and that Donald Trump
> also wants to destroy? Besides the post office, a library got torched.
>
> In any case, this business about "riots" has wound down, except kept
> alive by Trump and his minions. Almost everybody is involved in
> traditional protests, number one, and, number two, does so without
> needing to be defended. There will still be cop attacks as took place
> near the White House but it is simply beyond the scope of any antifa
> activists to serve as a defense guard when there are 480 cities that
> have seen protests, including tiny upstate NY towns that I have reported
> on. In both Walkill and Monroe, everything happened without any cop
> attacks. I suspect that is true in nearly all cases. This is not Egypt
> in 2011, even though Trump would like to be able to make it so.
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Re: [Marxism] Group linked to far-right ‘boogaloo’ movement plotted terror attacks against protesters: prosecutors

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I find it odd that there is so much disagreement about the character of
Antifa and yet everyone seems to agree that the Boogaloo Movement is a
far-right extremist movement. According to the bellingcat article that was
posted here some time ago, many of the people in this Boogaloo movement
very aggressively oppose police brutality toward African-Americans and
believe that the U.S. government is fundamentally corrupt. It also stated
that white nationalists who were attempting to take charge of the group
felt alienated and out of place because most of the people joined it agreed
with opposing police brutality generally.

It is true, they seem to have a "race-blind" attitude (unfortunately, like
many on the Left (TM)), but that hardly puts them in the same camp as the
Nazis. And more importantly, I would be incredibly weary, especially at a
time like this, of taking statements from prosecutors for granted. This
kind of thing could have happened to ANY of the young people protesting and
engaging in these kinds of actions, including Antifa types and leftists. I
also note that the article states they are accused of wanting to attack
both George Floyd protesters and anti-lockdown protesters. That is, they
are accused of trying to attack both left-wing and right-wing protests. The
prosecutor also suggests they are trying to "hijack" the protests. So
essentially, they are also parts of the things that they are allegedly
trying to destroy, for the sake of accelerating social unrest.

Hmmm, people with questionable views on race, part of an amorphous and
incoherent internet movement that opposes state violence but has sketchy
characters, who use violence against infrastructure for the purpose of
accelerating social unrest. These men could have basically been Antifa.
There is no apparent ideological or political difference. The arguments
being made by the "experts" quoted in this article are the same as those
being used to accuse anarchist / Antifa groups of being Neo-Nazi
infiltrators.

There is a very aggressive narrative that is trying to exploit the
amorphous character of the ongoing rebellion to cast suspicion on those
take part in it in the "wrong" way. We can disagree with someone's tactics
or even parts of their ideology without jumping to the conclusion that they
are Nazi infiltrators or police agents. I caution others to be weary of
these kinds of articles and these kinds of investigations.

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Re: [Marxism] Re antifa

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I am glad to hear from Daniel and Jeff saying all the Antifa groups they
met support Palestine and wish I had the same experience.

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> strongly anti-zionist! I’ve never come across anyone associated with antifa
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> > Speaking from personal experience. It is of course impossible to get an
> > accurate read of every Antifa-type's personal views given the nature of
> > their non-organizatiom, but apologetics for Israel and suspicion of the
> > Palestinian cause is fairly normal and I've come across it more than
> > occasionally.
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Re: [Marxism] Re antifa

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Speaking from personal experience. It is of course impossible to get an
accurate read of every Antifa-type's personal views given the nature of
their non-organizatiom, but apologetics for Israel and suspicion of the
Palestinian cause is fairly normal and I've come across it more than
occasionally.

Re: systemic racism, I've definitely heard them *say* they see it as a
problem, but their street-fighting adventures appear to focus entirely on
the fringe.

I am 31, I hope I'm not the Old Guard yet.

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>  "Antifa groups (with the sole exception of Antifa groups in Israel)
> support Zionism outright or simply have shitty views on the topic
> altogether. In my experience they have equally asinine views about
> anti-black racism, believing it to be a problem with individuals rather
> than a problem with the institutions that govern society, which they
> confuse with hate groups."
>
> I have no idea where you came up with this as these claims are 100%
> incorrect and it astonishing to see smears like this on this list. I don't
> know of any U.S. based groups that are Zionist and none that don't see
> racism as systemic. I don't know whose blog you read, but anyone who
> actually knows these folks or work with them know that is completely
> insane. "Kids" from the antifa subculture may not be as educated as some of
> you on this list and may not understand the consequences of their actions
> beyond the short term, but misrepresentations of them either willfully or
> through ignorance will not get them to listen to the "old guard," which is
> what I suspect annoys most of the haters.
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Re: [Marxism] Re antifa

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I am weary of drawing any conclusions about Antifa other than that they
have no ideological coherence and the individuals attempting to create such
coherence are reactionaries and imbeciles. For example, Matt Lyons who
writes for Political Research Associates (where many of these Antifa types
try to get the air of professionalism by working at an NGO) has written
extensive blog articles on what is (basically) the premise of the Antifa
worldview: that fascism is itself a revolutionary anti-capitalist ideology
in its own right, like the Left, and seeks to put forward an alternative
revolution in lieu of a socialist/communist one. As such, fascists
sometimes use revolutionary rhetoric, and the slogan that the cops and the
Klan go hand-in-hand is actually wrongheaded. Because fascists are also
revolutionaries, it is therefore reasonable to subject leftist and other
dissident groups to a ruthless witch-hunt to find anti-Semitism and Nazi
infilitration in order to prevent the rise of a fascist takeover under the
guise of leftism. The evidence of this looming threat given by Lyons and
others are terrorist attacks by far-right groups and the existence of hate
crimes.

There are, separately, Antifa types that still hold the cops-and-the-Klan
worldview, but who aren't much better. Because they also view the cops and
fascists as one in the same, they view street-fighting with Nazis as an
alternative to revolutionary activity and structural critiques of
capitalism. Why fight the cops when you can fight the traveling circus of
fringe Nazi hate groups? They end up internalizing the dominant ideologies
of capitalism because they mistake fighting it with fighting fringe
weirdos, which explains why Antifa groups (with the sole exception of
Antifa groups in Israel) support Zionism outright or simply have shitty
views on the topic altogether. In my experience they have equally asinine
views about anti-black racism, believing it to be a problem with
individuals rather than a problem with the institutions that govern
society, which they confuse with hate groups.

So while the mechanics of these factions differ, the underlying conclusion
is the same: fascism poses some sort of overarching, persistent threat to
society, and trying to find it and engage in street brawls with it is
either an alternative to or necessary for replacing capitalism.

Separate from this bizarre and leaderless series of incoherent cults is the
wider "black bloc" anarchist network that, both in the US and in Europe,
engages in property destruction and looting in order to thwart the police.
Without knowing who they are or what they stand for (or if they stand for a
coherent single thing at all) it is not worth generalizing about
their ideology: they are reduced to the tactics they use and nothing more,
namely rioting.

So as for rioting as a tactic, I think we should view it as any other
tactic: something that might effect change under certain circumstances, but
not on its own. The notion that a group of people can break some windows or
burn a store down and cause revolutionary change in the system is belied by
the fact that far greater destruction to property has taken place during
war, economic crises, etc. without suddenly prompting a revolution. If that
is the goal, then it is foolish.

However, I do believe that these kinds of militant tactics, under specific
circumstances, might provide a sort of "force multiplier". The rebellion
that is taking place throughout the United States right now is not being
driven by the Antifa types or the black bloc types, whether they
self-identify as Antifa or agree with the hucksters who speak on their
behalf. The people flooding the streets are attempting to throw a wrench in
the system. This is true whether they are smashing up department stores,
blocking traffic, or even just defying curfews. Note, they all stopped
following social distancing as well. It is obvious why: during a massive
recession that may soon become a depression, they are watching a white
supremacist who openly breaks the law and calls for shooting people egg
them on and defend police racism, all while failing to ensure their basic
needs are protected. Indeed, the system has actually encouraged that they
put themselves at greater risk of the pandemic by returning to work as an
alternative to ensuring they are bailed out and protected from landlords,
etc. In essence, legitimate governance had already collapsed before the
mass rebellion and the rebellion is simply a response to that crisis of
legitimacy which calls for the government to be replaced. In such a
circumstance, I believe that "black bloc tactics" could potentially lend to

Re: [Marxism] Syria: From National Independence to Proxy War | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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>It is a shame that those without such connections will likely never be
able to afford books that are essential in developing a class rather than a
geopolitical understanding of what took place in Syria.

FYI both books are available for free on LibGen.is

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> Ever since the civil war began in Syria in early 2011, the left has
> largely ignored the social and economic circumstances that led to a
> conflict costing over a half-million deaths and the migration—internal
> and external—of half the population. The tendency was to see Syria as a
> piece on a global chessboard with “the axis of resistance” fending off
> attacks from the West. There was lip-service to the idea that Syrians
> had legitimate grievances against the government early on, but by the
> end of 2011, the “anti-imperialist” consensus was that the rebels were
> jihadists interested more in fighting unbelievers than inequality.
>
> To my knowledge, the first attempt at an analysis of the internal class
> contradictions appeared in 2015. Long-time Syria scholar Raymond
> Hinnebusch and Tina Zintl edited a collection titled “Syria from Reform
> to Revolt: Volume 1: Political Economy and International Relations”. (A
> second volume never appeared.) I found this book invaluable in writing
> an article titled “The Economic Roots of the Syrian Revolution”. My goal
> was to demonstrate that a rural agrarian crisis provided the fuel for an
> uprising. An article by Myrian Ababsa provided statistics that revealed
> the depths of misery that led to the revolt. In 2009, 42 percent of
> Raqqa governorate suffered from anemia owing to a shortage of dairy
> products, vegetables, and fruit. Malnutrition among pregnant women and
> children under five doubled between 2007 and 2009. That was the cause of
> the conflict, not Saudi desire to impose shariah law on the country.
>
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Re: [Marxism] UNZ.com banned by Facebook

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Social media companies are going after all the fascist/alt-right
"alternative news" websites. The Unz Review was, in fact, a website that
blended racist and right-wing extremist conspiracy theories with stinging
leftist critiques of capitalism and imperialism.

But TUR's flaws should not make anyone think this is a step in the right
direction. Facebook is a reactionary cesspool that re-creates and
reproduces racism and violence through its administration. From the
Cambridge Analytica Scandal to Facebook's standing directive to collaborate
with the Israeli government to shut down Palestinian advocacy, to my own
personal experiences seeing reasonable criticisms of Israel banned (and
blatantly racist and Islamophobic commentary permitted), FB banning sites
like this is similar to when they all banned Alex Jones. *They are not
banning racist content. They are banning dissident content, some of which
is racist.* That is not a good thing. In addition to the extent left
websites and internet advocacy is already under attack by SV giants this is
simply a prelude to much more aggressive purging of social media networks
of dissent.

E-mail is ironically one of the most secure protocols left for dissent.
It's the only way we can continue to reach out to large numbers of people
without having to worry about corporate giants using their walled gardens
to stop dissent.

Re: Finkelstein, I asked him about it. He told me he does not post anything
at Unz Review. Unz simply copy-pastes his articles from other websites and
Finkelstein hasn't gone out of his way to complain about it. According to
the Unz Review masthead there are basically
only two people who actually administer the website, namely Ron Unz himself
and Philip Giraldi (a former CIA officer who holds similar views to Unz).
Other than that, it looks like the people who participate in the website
(e.g. its comments section and so on) are simply vile unknowns with deeply
xenophobic views.

I can't confirm it but I suspect that if websites like TUR, Alex Jones,
etc. did not have an anti-imperialist bent and were simply standard
right-wing racist websites (like Breitbart, DailyWire, FrontPageMag etc)
they would not only not face opposition but would have a much wider network
of support (including financial support) to lobby social media networks to
prevent any censorship of their content in instances where they do face
backlash.

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>  From now on, any link to Ron Unz's website will result in a message
> saying that it violates community standards.
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> Unz's website is about a good example of the Red-Brown alliance that I
> can think of. Unz, a Jew, offers more openly neo-Nazi material than any
> other website I can think of, outside the openly neo-Nazi outlets like
> Stormfront.
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> That doesn't seem to bother Norman Finkelstein, who is listed as a
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> more than $50,000 from Unz over the years had something to do with that.
> In addition to Finkelstein, Mike Whitney, CJ Hopkins and Michael Hudson
> continue to allow their articles to be posted there.
>
> Ron Unz's commentary on the FB ban is here:
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Re: [Marxism] Outside Egypt, Critics Speak Freely. Inside, Families Pay the Price.

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In other words, they made the same mistake as the Muslim Brotherhood.

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> There were reasons to protest, but the left certainly underestimated the
> danger that the army would use such protests as the pretext for a coup.
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> (The longer al-Sisi stays in office, the more foolish leftist protests
> against the Muslim Brotherhood government appears.)
>
> NY Times, May 15, 2020
> Outside Egypt, Critics Speak Freely. Inside, Families Pay the Price.
> By Declan Walsh
>
> CAIRO — When a popular Egyptian blogger shared gruesome video of a
> military officer severing the finger of an unidentified body and setting
> the body on fire, it was some of the most shocking footage to emerge
> from Sinai, where Egypt’s military has been battling Islamist militants
> in a hidden war.
>
> As an exiled dissident, Abdullah el-Sherif could afford to be bold
> enough to broadcast the video in March. But days later, security agents
> burst into the homes of his relatives in the seaside city of Alexandria
> and arrested his two brothers on terrorism charges.
>
> Now Mr. el-Sherif is in Qatar, safely beyond the reach of Egypt’s
> security forces, while his brothers languish at a maximum-security
> prison outside Cairo.
>
> The Egyptian government, which has stifled nearly all criticism at home,
> is now trying to silence critics abroad by jailing their family members
> in Egypt, human rights groups say. Since early last year, it has
> arrested the relatives of at least 15 dissidents in exile.
>
> Security agents have broken down front doors, confiscated money and
> passports, forced parents to denounce their children on television, and
> detained fathers and brothers, several of whom have been charged with
> terrorism and imprisoned.
>
> “It’s nothing less than collective punishment,” said Amr Magdi of Human
> Rights Watch, which since 2016 has documented raids on the families of
> 14 exiled dissidents. At least 20 relatives have been detained or
> prosecuted.
>
> Mr. el-Sherif, whose YouTube videos often amass two or three million
> views, said Egyptian officials told him that if he stopped his critical
> broadcasts, his brothers would be released.
>
> “I feel really bad,” he said. “I’ve lost my appetite. My mother and
> father call all the time, crying on the phone, asking me to quit. I
> don’t know what to do.”
>
> The head of Egypt’s State Information Service did not respond to a
> request for comment.
>
> Egypt’s rulers have long employed such tactics against the families of
> suspected drug traffickers and jihadists. But as President Abdel Fattah
> el-Sisi has cranked up the repression in recent years, he has broadened
> his focus to target the families of exiled dissidents, journalists and
> cultural figures.
>
> One recent case involved an exiled actor, Mohammed Shuman, who delivered
> an emotional appeal on Facebook from Turkey for the release of his
> brother and his son who, he said, had been jailed in retaliation for his
> role in a movie that highlighted police brutality.
>
> Inside Egypt, Mr. el-Sisi jailed opponents and largely subjugated the
> news media. His intelligence services have acquired stakes in the
> largest private TV networks, blocked over 500 websites and even censored
> the scripts of the highly popular TV serials that Egyptians are
> currently lapping up during the holy month of Ramadan.
>
> But his iron grip on Egyptian media may have inadvertently helped raise
> the profile of news outlets and bloggers based abroad.
>
> Egypt’s nominally independent private TV stations all offer similar,
> pro-state news and commentary. Talk show hosts seem to sing from the
> same 

Re: [Marxism] Outside Egypt, Critics Speak Freely. Inside, Families Pay the Price.

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Meh, I don't know. At the time the MB seemed to be quite cozy with the same
army that would depose them.

Obviously there is no comparison but the MB was, in my opinion, part of its
own downfall.

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> (The longer al-Sisi stays in office, the more foolish leftist protests
> against the Muslim Brotherhood government appears.)
>
> NY Times, May 15, 2020
> Outside Egypt, Critics Speak Freely. Inside, Families Pay the Price.
> By Declan Walsh
>
> CAIRO — When a popular Egyptian blogger shared gruesome video of a
> military officer severing the finger of an unidentified body and setting
> the body on fire, it was some of the most shocking footage to emerge
> from Sinai, where Egypt’s military has been battling Islamist militants
> in a hidden war.
>
> As an exiled dissident, Abdullah el-Sherif could afford to be bold
> enough to broadcast the video in March. But days later, security agents
> burst into the homes of his relatives in the seaside city of Alexandria
> and arrested his two brothers on terrorism charges.
>
> Now Mr. el-Sherif is in Qatar, safely beyond the reach of Egypt’s
> security forces, while his brothers languish at a maximum-security
> prison outside Cairo.
>
> The Egyptian government, which has stifled nearly all criticism at home,
> is now trying to silence critics abroad by jailing their family members
> in Egypt, human rights groups say. Since early last year, it has
> arrested the relatives of at least 15 dissidents in exile.
>
> Security agents have broken down front doors, confiscated money and
> passports, forced parents to denounce their children on television, and
> detained fathers and brothers, several of whom have been charged with
> terrorism and imprisoned.
>
> “It’s nothing less than collective punishment,” said Amr Magdi of Human
> Rights Watch, which since 2016 has documented raids on the families of
> 14 exiled dissidents. At least 20 relatives have been detained or
> prosecuted.
>
> Mr. el-Sherif, whose YouTube videos often amass two or three million
> views, said Egyptian officials told him that if he stopped his critical
> broadcasts, his brothers would be released.
>
> “I feel really bad,” he said. “I’ve lost my appetite. My mother and
> father call all the time, crying on the phone, asking me to quit. I
> don’t know what to do.”
>
> The head of Egypt’s State Information Service did not respond to a
> request for comment.
>
> Egypt’s rulers have long employed such tactics against the families of
> suspected drug traffickers and jihadists. But as President Abdel Fattah
> el-Sisi has cranked up the repression in recent years, he has broadened
> his focus to target the families of exiled dissidents, journalists and
> cultural figures.
>
> One recent case involved an exiled actor, Mohammed Shuman, who delivered
> an emotional appeal on Facebook from Turkey for the release of his
> brother and his son who, he said, had been jailed in retaliation for his
> role in a movie that highlighted police brutality.
>
> Inside Egypt, Mr. el-Sisi jailed opponents and largely subjugated the
> news media. His intelligence services have acquired stakes in the
> largest private TV networks, blocked over 500 websites and even censored
> the scripts of the highly popular TV serials that Egyptians are
> currently lapping up during the holy month of Ramadan.
>
> But his iron grip on Egyptian media may have inadvertently helped raise
> the profile of news outlets and bloggers based abroad.
>
> Egypt’s nominally independent private TV stations all offer similar,
> pro-state news and commentary. Talk show hosts seem to sing from the
> same hymnal. News bulletins can have a whiff of Soviet-era control,
> while government critics are branded as agents of the outlawed Muslim
> Brotherhood, or stooges of rival Qatar.
>
> When the Muslim Brotherhood leader, Mohamed Morsi, died in June, every
> Egyptian TV station led with the same 42-word bulletin, evidently
> dictated by the security agencies.
>
> Egyptian viewers, bored with the homogeneous programming or in search of
> unfiltered news, are increasingly turning to foreign media as an
> alternative.
>
> In addition to YouTube channels like Mr. el-Sherif’s, there is anecdotal
> evidence that many Egyptians quietly tune 

Re: [Marxism] Intelligence Community Statement on Origins of COVID-19

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Out of curiosity, how would such a thing be investigated? Is there
something about a "manmade" contagion that leaves a trace in a way that an
"unintentional" one does not?

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> Deep state rebuffs the imbecile in the White House
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> https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/item/2112-intelligence-community-statement-on-origins-of-covid-19
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Re: [Marxism] An "All Hands on Deck" Moment: Sixty-Six Old New Leftists Urge Support for Joe Biden - New Politics

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*Paul Le Blanc, not Paul Buhle.

This really is a bizarre exchange. The people encouraging a vote for Biden
are using their "cred" as members of loose coalition of activist groups
that failed miserably in accomplishing any of the things they set out to
accomplish. I'm not sure what expertise people who thought thousands of
others would join them in setting off bombs in army compounds think they
have that it somehow lends credibility to their point of view.

I disagree with both the original statement and Le Blanc's comments. I
don't think it is an "all hands on deck moment," if for no reason other
than the fact that everything is pointing to a re-election for Trump even
if people did heed the advice given in this letter. Like in 2016, the
election will come down to a handful of communities in a handful of states,
and the DNC has selected a person with obvious signs of mental health
decline to challenge the incumbent. As far as I am concerned, the election
is already lost. If I lived in a swing state, I'd probably suck it up and
vote for Biden because I feel like it is the equivalent of having a gun to
my head.

But I don't, so I won't, and I doubt that it will matter. In about 7 months
we will watch as Donald Trump proves to the world that "American democracy"
and all of the institutions that the signatories say they want to defend
are already lost.

We should be focusing on how to reclaim our local communities through the
use of strikes and other tools, especially now with the likely onset of a
depression.




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> By Paul Buhle.
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Re: [Marxism] South Africa: A Step towards Dictatorship?

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Fake news, apparently started with India:
https://www.indiatoday.in/fact-check/story/fact-check-no-disaster-management-act-does-not-restrict-citizens-to-post-updates-on-covid-19-1662457-2020-04-02

RKOB, I have noticed you have written highly detailed and well-thought out
polemics on imperialism and other topics.

So I have to say I am really flabbergasted to see you posting conspiracy
non-sense from social media when it comes to the COVID-19 issue. What's
going on?!

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> I would like to draw the attention of readers to the following. Comrades
> from South Africa just informed me that the government forced social
> media groups to post following message:
>
> "Mandate To All Residents. Tonight  12 ( midnight) onwards Disaster
> Management Act has been implemented across the country. According to
> this update, apart from the Govt department no other citizen is allowed
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Re: [Marxism] Could Sanders win? | Red Flag

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I also agree that it is good analysis about the limits Sanders faces. I
think all of the points he argues -- being thwarted by the DNC, being
expected to compromise with Congress and the Courts, and being expected to
water down all his proposals even if he doesn't want to compromise -- are
actual issues and there is no guarantee that Sanders will overcome any one
of them let alone all of them.

But the problem to me is I don't see anyone actually putting forward any
real-world organizing strategies. They also seem to discount the relevance
of the Sanders presidency for the sake of organizing moving forward. Others
have noted that U.S. history is replete with "left-wing" candidates vying
for the presidency and getting put in their place, like McGovern and Jesse
Jackson. But the part that I think they are missing are that those
candidacies happened at a time in which certain voter demographics were in
a better position and had much more to lose and less to gain given that the
effects of neoliberalism/austerity had not yet been implemented as
thoroughly as now. And more importantly, the people who make up Sanders'
army -- people who are under the age of 35 -- were not alive for those
events. Sanders is the first candidate running for President in my lifetime
(I'm 30) that has actually suggested socialist and anti-imperialist
politics, even if in watered down form. That was not true of Obama. And
even had it been, the reality was that Obama won his first term before the
financial crisis. The defining political events that are shaping the
consciousness of Millenials are the Iraq War, the financial crisis, and
ultimately the election of Trump. For an even younger bunch it is the
increasingly noticeable effects of climate change.

Seeing Sanders either being denied the nomination in a post-Trump era, or
being forced to compromise the aspects of his presidency that speak to
those issues (i.e. economic inequality, ending the wars, curbing right-wing
extremism and climate change) will probably do a lot more to discredit the
existing political machinery than anything else. In short, if he wins and
manages to put forward some meaningful changes ("socialism" not being one
of them), then great. But if he loses or wins but has his hands tied, I
think that will have a dramatic effect on the voter base and their ideas of
what kind of politics is needed. Already there are socialist clubs, DSA,
local protest movements (BLM, etc.). If these groups and community
associations become the basis for a sort of mass civil disobedience
movement, I imagine that being shown, explicitly, how far the existing
elite will go to prevent them from having any sort of democratic
representation via Sanders-style candidates will trigger the kinds of mass
popular mobilization that I think others would rather see.

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Re: [Marxism] It’s Time for the Left to Build a Force Outside the Democratic Party | Left Voice

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"Some years back, when the Green party won over 104,000 votes in this
state, I put together a plan to organize and field teams that could cover
the state, establishing viable little groups where the vote was in double
digits and cultivating a statewide network that would circulate speakers
and engage in regular public forums and events. "

Presumably that is what every campaign does, and it requires money and
time. I don't get how it could be done without people to finance it.

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> corporate-consumerist politics.   Raising money to open offices and hire
> canvassers is no alternative to a system based on that circular process.
> The alternative to running as Democrats is not running LIKE Democrats.
>
> A challenge to the structure of electoral politics has to be reflected in
> our practice, not just in abstract and aspirational terms.  What we need
> are politics based on people.  We need something with membership that will
> maintain some coherence between elections and generate recognizably good
> advocates that can run for office and--most importantly--plenty of
> volunteers to take the case to the wider society.  Some years back, when
> the Green party won over 104,000 votes in this state, I put together a plan
> to organize and field teams that could cover the state, establishing viable
> little groups where the vote was in double digits and cultivating a
> statewide network that would circulate speakers and engage in regular
> public forums and events.
>
> The old Socialists and other insurgents established membership bodies that
> amounted to roughly a tenth of their voting strength.  Out of over 104,000
> voters, we could have put together an organization of several thousand and,
> with the right work, been able to get a significantly higher vote total in
> the next election.   But the self-elected "leaders" feared something of
> which they would not be guaranteed control.  And the bulk of them have
> since slithered off to the Democrats.
>
> As I've pointed out repeatedly, there is no reason why various groups
> couldn't cobble together a united electoral front at the local, state,
> regional or national that could do something like this.  Make it
> people-focused and have confidence that good politics will always prevail
> in a fair fight out in the open.
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Re: [Marxism] It’s Time for the Left to Build a Force Outside the Democratic Party | Left Voice

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But then if such is the case, what is the alternative right now to running
candidates as Dems? Like, what should we actually be doing right now, if
not knocking on doors for Comrade Sanders?

I also think Sanders will not deliver anything that supporters expect given
the circumstances. But without a concrete alternative I don't know where
else to spend energy.

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> > a significant amount of money simply to open offices, recruit
> > canvassers, do election research, etc. And after that they would need to
> > be able to compete within the corporate media landscape. It is an
> > enormous undertaking and many smaller parties have already failed at it.
> > How does one build such a party?
>
>
> The folks advocating this are old school Leninists. They are trying to
> launch a new party based on the success of their Argentine comrades,
> even though I think that objective circumstances and a flawed
> methodology militate against it.
>
> For me, the only slender thread of a new left party emerging in this
> period is if by some miracle Howie Hawkins's campaign begins to exploit
> the certain disappointment of the Democratic Party in 2020 that has been
> foreshadowed by the Iowa debacle.
>
> Opportunities to build a new party to the left of the Democrats are far
> and few between. Favorable conditions existed in the 1960s when a
> Democratic president was carrying out one of the most brutal colonial
> wars of the 20th century. Formations like the Peace and Freedom Party
> had great promise but sectarian groups derailed them.
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Re: [Marxism] It’s Time for the Left to Build a Force Outside the Democratic Party | Left Voice

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I've seen several pieces arguing this and the Iowa debacle really is making
me explore the topic more.

But what, in practice, does this look like? What does it mean to "build a
force outside the Democratic Party"? Like, what is Step 1?

I assume organizers of such an initiative would need to start by raising a
significant amount of money simply to open offices, recruit canvassers, do
election research, etc. And after that they would need to be able to
compete within the corporate media landscape. It is an enormous undertaking
and many smaller parties have already failed at it. How does one build such
a party?

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Re: [Marxism] The 1619 Project Devours Its Liberal Parents | Counter-Currents Publishing

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It sounds like they are criticizing the critics of the 1619 Project rather
than the Project itself.

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Re: [Marxism] Democrats wrap up their case in impeachment trial

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In other words, it is important in a general, theoretical sense of being
politically aware. As an actual tool for social change it is basically
useless except that it gives unique insight.

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Re: [Marxism] Day of action today

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Code Pink is small and mostly about grabbing attention.

ANSWER has essentially no social base. It simply organizes the protests and
people with no affiliation to the organizers beyond abstract political
agreement show up without knowing who or what ANSWER is.

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> > From where I am, it appears that ANSWER
> > https://www.answercoalition.org/  and
> > CodePink https://www.codepink.org/  are two
> > of the organizations that have some authority in this movement.
>
> Exactly why it is hard for me to feel right engaging. While the DSA has a
> number of members with problematic and ANSWER-ish politics, overall we do
> not and with the size and reach of DSA today I hope it is not long before
> ANSWER is pushed out from the role of calling every protest and littering
> them with their signs.
>
> But it will take a decision on the DSA's part to make this happen. Which
> means getting people in the national anti-war committee who think this is a
> necessary task.
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Re: [Marxism] Britain exits the European Union and takes a sharp right turn (John Smith, author of Imperialism in the 21st Century)

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Hmmm...

"Jew-hatred is indeed a deadly threat, and history teaches that it
flourishes in a time of systemic capitalist crisis, as now, when demagogues of
both left and right try to deflect the anger of workers and the
dispossessed against Jewish capitalists rather than against the capitalist
class as a whole. *Anti-Semitism is also fostered by **bourgeois
nationalists in the Middle East*, who resent the imperialists’ indulgence
of Israel and *wish to be** treated equally*. It is far from the case,
therefore, that the fascist right wing has a monopoly over anti-Semitism."

This part is questionable, it sounds like validating the witch-hunt. Of
course the author then goes further to argue that Corbyn should have gone
on the offensive, which is true, but suggesting that there really *was *a
"left anti-Semitism" or an "anti-imperialist anti-Semitism" sounds like
non-materialist analysis to say the least. The demands of national
struggles in the Middle East and their opposition to Israel is not
"anti-Semitism". The author seems to distinguish between "bourgeois
nationalists" and others struggling against Israel, but this distinction
really has nothing to do with "anti-Semitism". Nor is there any evidence of
any connection between this and European anti-Semitism. It's honestly a
very lazy thing to say. He's conflating Zionism and its discontents
(bourgeois or otherwise) with traditional European anti-Semitism.

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> > by*John Smith*
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> > Britain’s exit from the imperialist bloc known as the European Union (EU)
> > is now irreversible. The crushing electoral defeat of the Labour Party
> has
> > dismayed many workers and youth who had placed their hopes in Jeremy
> > Corbyn, its left-wing leader. This article assesses these historic
> events,
> > neither of which can be understood in isolation from the other. . .
> >
> > full at:
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Re: [Marxism] Right-left alliances: Richard Spencer on Iran, Trump, Zionism

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Also Richard Spencer: "I'm a white Zionist"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/richard-spencer-to-israelis-i-m-a-white-zionist-respect-me-1.5443480

The tweet Alan pointed out sounds like something from the Left. The attacks
on Iran can be both a US imperialist war and also a pro-Zionist war.

In effect the original piece basically emphasizes that Spencer takes
anti-war stances. Beyond that there is no substance.

Comrades will have to forgive me for not following Nazi twitter more
closely.

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Re: [Marxism] Right-left alliances: A cancer within the antiwar movement

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This is atrociously written.

For one, Richard Spencer has never once criticized Trump as a pawn of
Zionism for the obvious reason that he himself is a self-described Zionist.
For another, the author consciously attempts to reduce any exaggeration
about the Israel Lobby to anti-Semitism.

The author is correct that we should be weary of right-wing propaganda
posing as leftism. This article is a great example of the very concern it
is raising.



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Re: [Marxism] How digital sleuths unravelled the mystery of Iran's plane crash | WIRED UK

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I've seen a couple of different articles saying Iran "had to admit the
truth" once faced with the evidence. I'm a bit confused by this. Since when
has seeing evidence ever forced anyone in power to "admit the truth"? I'd
be interested in a more thorough analysis of why Iranian officials
eventually reneged knowing that it was the difference between keeping the
masses in their corner vs. re-awakening the mass revolts that had taken
place the months before. Surely they could have simply insisted that the
evidence is fake and it's a Zionist conspiracy and so on.

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Re: [Marxism] HRC Releases Report on Epidemic of Anti-Transgender Violence | Human Rights Campaign

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I wouldn't go so fast. While it's true that some or all of these may not
have been obviously motivated by anti-transgender sentiment, comparing the
number of trans murder victims to the number of murder victims overall is
not a meaningful estimate of anything. We'd have to figure out why all of
those other people were killed. If, hypothetically, 90% of crime victims in
the United States are killed during drug deals gone bad, for example, while
all of the trans victims were killed while heading home from the subway, it
isn't really a fair comparison. We would need to know how each of the trans
people were killed and figure out how many people were killed for similar
reasons / in similar circumstances and see if there were more trans people
killed percentage-wise. That would tell us that even when there is no
obvious motive, trans people are still more likely to meet with fatal
violence (or not).

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[Marxism] Free EBook: Antisemitism and the Labour Party

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I am thumbing through this free ebook slowly and I cannot emphasize enough
how impressive and elucidating it is about the kinds of propaganda that
were spread against the Labour Party. We could likely just change some of
the names and it would be an accurate picture of U.S. Left/Liberals in
their smears against Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, etc.

https://www.versobooks.com/books/3215-antisemitism-and-the-labour-party

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Re: [Marxism] Ex-Breitbart editor says Stephen Miller is a white supremacist, and she was too - CNNPolitics

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"The White House has not commented on McHugh's interview. When the emails
were first revealed last month a White House spokesperson told CNN: "While
Mr. Miller condemns racism and bigotry in all forms, those defaming him are
trying to deny his Jewish identity, which is a pernicious form of
anti-Semitism."

In case there is any ambiguity left about whether the "anti-Semitism" witch
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Re: [Marxism] Trump Slammed For Insisting 'Killer' Real Estate Jews Will Back Him To Save Their Wealth | HuffPost

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Literally all of the Jewish groups that responded to Trump (including
Jewish Voice for Peace) missed the point (or purposely obscured it). The
comments about Jews being disloyal had nothing to do with anti-Jewish
bigotry -- and notably, they were about loyalty to Israel, not the United
States. Accusing Jews of not being loyal to a *foreign state* is hardly
playing into the trope of dual loyalty. These comments were aimed at
Israel's victims. If anything they were appeals to Zionism and
Islamophobia. They are analogous to white supremacist statements that
whites who are insufficiently racist are "race traitors," etc. When a Nazi
calls a white person a "race traitor" he is not engaging in anti-white
bigotry. He is demeaning black and other non-white peoples. Same for this:
Trump's comments were an appeal to the right-wing of the Jewish community
that sees virtually any dissent on Israel as insufficient chauvinism. Every
one of these Jewish liberal types basically erased Israel's victims from
the discussion, even though they were the actual targets of Trump's
rhetoric. Imagine someone perceiving accusations of race treason by white
supremacists as an attack on white people. What nonsense.

The stuff about people involved in the real estate business (including the
guy who set up the organization, Sheldon Adelson) simply weren't tropes.
They were more or less accurate statements about some of the people who
support IAC and given Trump's own involvement in the same business he was
probably referring to actual individuals in the audience.

The Democrats did this last round as well with the Brietbart story about
"Renegade Jews". They claimed it proved that Brietbart, Steve Bannon, and
by extension, Trump were anti-Semitic. It was equally misplaced, because
the Brietbart story was not aimed at Jews per se, but Israel's victims:
https://forward.com/opinion/385599/calling-steve-bannon-an-anti-semite-isnt-just-false-its-dangerous/

They are basically doing the same thing this round. They know that talking
about Trump's actual racism is not politically saavy and is "controversial"
so instead they're manufacturing stories about anti-Semitism, which is
safer because it's also used as a bludgeon against the Left, Muslims, etc.

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Re: [Marxism] The Wealth of (Some) Nations

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Interesting to see this posted here. My understanding of this author's
previous writings is that he is a "Third Worldist," i.e. he does not
believe, contra Marx, that it is necessary for so-called "First World"
workers to organize a labor movement because they are effectively bought
off as part of the "labor aristocracy" and that by extension most
leftist/progressive movements in the First World are made up of imperialist
exploiters, etc. etc. I was coincidentally reading some of the debates
about this point of view earlier this weekend. It seems to be some sort of
extension of Maoism. The global division of wealth seems like a
straightforward and obvious matter but the conclusion that this author (or
at least, some of his online supporters) appear to have concluded seems
questionable to say the least.

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Re: [Marxism] Katie Hill: White Supremacist?

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This is complete nonsense and given the context amounts to sexual
degradation. The iron cross is used by everyone from skateboarders to biker
groups with no ties to white nationalism. Classic inflammatory garbage from
the DailyFail.

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Re: [Marxism] Former OPCW chief denounces official investigation of alleged chemical attack in Douma | al-bab.com

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The comments about Richard Falk are unfair. The guy is one of the most
prominent scholars of international law in the world, the article picked
out a few misguided statements he made about 9/11 -- all of which fall
well-short of actually endorsing the conspiracy theories -- and which the
source article itself suggests were distorted by a pro-Israel group to
attack him in his role as the Palestine SR.

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> ● Richard Falk, an emeritus professor of international law at Princeton
> University. Falk has previously claimed there are "well-evidenced
> doubts" that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al-Qaeda "with no
> foreknowledge by government officials”. He also wrote the foreword to a
> book by a prominent 9/11 truther which suggested the Bush administration
> was complicit in the attacks.
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> ● Kristinn Hrafnsson, editor-in-chief of Wikileaks. In a posting on its
> website on Wednesday, WikiLeaks called on OPCW staff to submit leaked
> documents about Douma via a secure internet connection.
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> ● John Holmes, a retired British army officer. Holmes is currently a
> board member of the British Syrian Society along with President Assad's
> father-in-law, Fawaz Akhras.
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> ● Helmut Lohrer, a board member of International Physicians for the
> Prevention of Nuclear War. Lohrer's previous involvement with Syria
> included a call, in 2015, for sanctions to be lifted.
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> ● Günter Meyer, director of the Centre for Research on the Arab World at
> the University of Mainz ... and a long-standing Assad supporter.
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> ● Elizabeth Murray, a member of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for
> Sanity (VIPS) and Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence.
> VIPS has previously disputed the regime's responsibility for chemical
> attacks in Syria. In 2017 the Sam Adams organisation presented an award
> for "truth-telling" to journalist Seymour Hersh, the author of several
> discredited articles about chemical weapons in Syria.
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Re: [Marxism] [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Re: Controversy over anti-Zionist student protest at Bard College

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Note that this attack didn't come from the Administration (i.e. Botstein,
etc.) but from an outside guest speaker *against* the Administration
including Roger Berkowitz who runs the Hannah Arendt Center:
https://forward.com/opinion/letters/433122/letter-to-the-editor-i-organized-the-bard-conference-and-batya-ungar/

Indeed it appears the College is actually, quite pissed. Even though BUS
long ago discredited herself as anything other than a racist and a
brain-dead propagandist, Berkowitz took a risk and invited her along with
another person who has been repeatedly condemned for her cheap invective.
They did everything they could to give these individuals a platform even
though they hardly deserved one, let alone one named after Hannah Arendt.
And instead of BUS using the platform the school gave her to smear the
students, she defiantly walked out of the conference and then used the
Forward to smear the school.

Lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas.

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Re: [Marxism] Bellingcat: "left" and right wing Pro Assad groups receiving money from Assad

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Yes, I definitely agree that Paul and the rest of their decision to do
Birthright for Syria is tonedeaf to say the least. I can't agree with that
decision, and in the past when I was offered such opportunities to attend
similar trips I of course always declined. We don't need to hold water for
that murderous thug.

But this piece really is a slash-and-burn. I don't think the author
realizes how long Paul has been around and exactly how far that reach goes.
Genuine grass roots activism is filled with all sorts of people, it is
cheap to dig through it and look for people who said this or that.

Likewise, the jab about Soros is quite cheap. They didn't quote Paul but
they emphasized that Soros is Jewish as if to say that criticizing Soros is
intrinsically anti-Semitic. There is no doubt that NGOs and philanthropists
have completely derailed the Palestine solidarity movement through
NGO-ization. Soros might not be personally responsible but his ilk of
liberal donors absolutely have done a number on movement organizing. The
concerns Paul has voiced in the past about the co-optation of the BDS
movement by people with bad politics is a very real issue, but the article
would make you think it's just some sort of anti-Semitic crank nonsense.

I also take issue with them going after various people over 9/11 conspiracy
theories. It is obvious why people in the Arab and Muslim community have
endorsed such theories: They were the ones blamed for 9/11. They may not be
correct to believe such theories but to mock them and suggest that they are
all nut jobs for having those beliefs really strikes me as arrogant.

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>
> The article is timely, however, in light of the filthy public relations
> these scumbags are doing for Assad right now after their Potemkin
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Re: [Marxism] Bellingcat: "left" and right wing Pro Assad groups receiving money from Assad

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This article is frankly, quite shit. Association for Investment in Popular
Action Committees was set up as the umbrella non-profit for a bunch of Bay
Area-related activism, including the Free The Cuban 5 campaign, the Free
Palestine Movement, the Northern California chapter of the ISM, and others.
The common theme is that Paul Larudee is involved. That isn't a surprise,
given that Paul has been a pretty predominant fixture of the Bay Area
anti-war organizing scene for decades.

Syria Solidarity Movement is just another one of the various organizing
initiatives that uses the Association as a fiscal sponsor. Most activist
groups don't have the time to start their own 501c3. The article makes it
seem as though the Association is some sort of separate shadowy entity, and
the title you added to the topic makes it even worse by suggesting that
Assad himself is somehow involved. Of course, there is no evidence anywhere
that Assad or his regime are actively funding the Association (which would
be illegal) and there is nothing in the article that suggests otherwise.
Moreover the Association long predates the Syria Solidarity Movement or the
armed conflict in Syria. Basically, the article points out that a
non-profit affiliated by Paul Larudee is funding various initiatives with
which Paul Larudee is associated. Surprise.

It's also quite clear that the author of the piece does not have a sense of
humor and completely missed the joke: "While obscure, and not to be
confused with the “AIPAC” that supports the state of Israel"

The rest of the article isn't news. Yes, people involved in Left organizing
can have bad politics and some of them believe in conspiracy theories. But
that isn't itself an excuse to engage in conspiracism or exaggeration.

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> An interesting and detailed article on which groups on both the right and
> the "left" are getting money from Assad and his representatives. It should
> surprise nobody as far as those on the right. In reality, it shouldn't
> surprise anybody as far as those on the "left", but it might. They range
> from former liberal Democratic congressman Dennis Kucinic to Ajamu Baraka.
> Paul Larudee (whom I used to know personally) is also big on the list. The
> Syria Solidarity Movement figures big time in this list, as one would
> expect.
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> Although Jeff Mackler did not directly receive any of that money, many of
> those endorsing him have.
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Re: [Marxism] Fascism--What Is It Anyway?

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Quite a critical review. I wonder if Roberto has responded anywhere?

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> The Origins of Fascism in the United States, 1920-1940
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Re: [Marxism] The Case against Obama

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" By contrast, he left Iraq in a hurry, which contributed to the rise of
Isis."

I have heard this claim repeated in many places. I find it difficult to
take seriously. The Obama Administration pledged billions of dollars to the
Iraqi regime during and after the removal of ground forces. It supported
every repressive measure the Iraqi government could put into place. The
idea that they removed the troops and consequently ISIS appeared seems to
imply that there is something good and noble about the presence of US
troops in Iraq, as though this would not have happened if US troops had
stayed. I find that difficult to believe. Even when US troops were in Iraq
at their highest numbers they could not control armed groups that opposed
them and their allies. Even the "troop surge" was primarily aimed at
disarming Sunnis and leaving them to Shi'a militias rather than actually
clamping down on their opponents, who essentially won control of Iraq at
that point.

It seems more reasonable to me to think that that episode -- which happened
during the surge rather than the pull-out -- combined with the complete
corruption of the sectarian regime that the U.S. installed plus the opening
of a new front in Syria were what culminated in the rise of ISIS. If U.S.
troops had been there, I doubt they would have been able to meaningfully
affect ISIS' rise any more than they could stop the insurgent bombings in
2005-06.

But some of you know more about it than I do, so I'll let you weigh in.

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Re: [Marxism] The fascist manifesto | Richard Seymour on Patreon

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I disagree with Michael's reading of McVeigh. There was very little
indication that he was motivated by the same factors as the El Paso shooter
or other neo-Nazi terrorists (i.e. belief in a conspiratorial genocide
against white people). The only indications that I could find were the fact
that he had the Turner Diaries in his possession; that is unsurprising,
given the plot of the book is about citizens carrying out an armed
insurgency against the government, albeit they are all racists. I recall
reading (though I can't find it for the life of me) how McVeigh thought of
the book as a useful guide for carrying out terrorist plots against the
government but rejected its race-related messaging. Likewise, he apparently
bought a "White Power" shirt from the KKK during a protest and
counter-protest when he was in the military, but from what I could find it
is little more than shirt that says "Sic Semper Tyrannis" which a photo of
Lincoln (as I'm sure you all know, those were the words that Booth stated
before assassinating Lincoln). Given the lack of involvement with active
Nazi militias at any point in his life and complete lack of any "race
war"-related commentary in any statements he made prior to or after the
bombing, I find it a stretch to throw him in with these other guys, though
he clearly had some sort of flirtations with other people who had those
views.

The letters he wrote prior to his execution and other statements he made
during his life would indicate that while he was very much a right-winger,
the primary factors behind his violence were being desensitized to mass
killings during his military service in Iraq and watching the heavily
militarized response of the U.S. government to various groups in the United
States, including Randy Weaver and the Branch Davidians. Those responses
involved killing many people and, at least in the Weaver case, involved an
ultimately successful entrapment defense (i.e. Weaver was acquitted).
Weaver and his family were actually white nationalists but the outrage
about the attack on that family was hardly limited to people who share
their ideological views; indeed, it was an absolutely ridiculous use of
force against a guy they had tried to get on a manufactured gun charge
knowing that he had small children and a wife (who was killed) in the home.
There is no evidence that the Branch Davidians practiced white supremacy at
all (they were just a batshit crazy religious cult led by a maniacal
abuser).

IOW McVeigh realized that the U.S. government did not mind when he killed
people under their orders and decided that the same ethical rules should
apply when fighting the U.S. government, which was a fight that he
justified by pointing to the police killings mentioned above. Beyond that
there is nothing to suggest that he wanted to kill people because of their
race, drive non-whites out of the country, etc. Given the quickness of
people on the Left to jump at a neo-Nazi/racist angle whenever there is
some kind of large attack (including Dayton, which, as I pointed out, was
carried out by someone who identified as a Leftist) we should be careful
not to sweep with a broad brush. The bigger issue that McVeigh brings out
is not white supremacy; it is the dehumanizing and desensitizing effect of
U.S. wars and the resultant effects when those aspects of war (including
militarization of police) are launched domestically.

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[Marxism] India Attempting Annexation of Kashmir

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https://www.trtworld.com/asia/the-world-reacts-to-india-s-illegal-annexation-of-kashmir-28774


I can't say I understand the legal technicalities as of yet but they got
rid of two constitutional provisions that nominally gave Kashmir protected
status and prevented it from being balkanized by Hindu nationalist
settlers.

Others with greater familiarity on the situation ought to weigh in, thanks.

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Re: [Marxism] Gilroy, El Paso, Dayton: Why and What Next?

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I think it is worth pointing out that the Dayton shooter was apparently
some sort of "leftist". He was also apparently very, very misogynistic. I
don't think that disqualifies him from the Left, even if it should.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dayton-shooter-warren/

The motive is still unclear.

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Re: [Marxism] What the Left Must Fight Against

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"Also, I recall a report on a large meeting of the SDS in Germany back in
the ‘60s.  A speaker delivered a radical speech and earned stormy
applause.  The speaker then revealed that the speech was actually by
Mussolini."

Reminds me of this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight%27s_Speech


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Re: [Marxism] Amber A’Lee Frost and Anna Khachiyan: the two dingbats who bonded with Spiked Online | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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Of course the biggest contradiction with the "anti-woke" and "anti-SJW"
hipster shtick, whether it's from "leftists" or the alt-right, is how
backward it is. For the most part, the people on the Left who are smeared
with these accusations of essentially being "uppity" whiners are people who
are raising issues of actual inequality, while those who are pointing their
fingers are often the ones fabricating claims of oppression. SpikedOnline,
for example, is part of the left anti-Semitism witch-hunt. If there is
anything on the Left that embodies the imagined problems of people
complaining over nothing to seem "progressive," then "left anti-Semitism"
is it.

Granted I'm not sure that CTH people (like Amber) are among those who are
witch-hunting for anti-Semitism but it seems to be a running theme. People
who complain about "snowflakes" are often the biggest ones.

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Re: [Marxism] DSA/Jacobin/Haymarket-sponsored 'Socialism' conference features US gov-funded regime-change activists | The Grayzone

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The rest of the article is nuts but I think the questions that Max & Ben
raise about the NED and the China panels is significant. Why did DSA invite
people whose work is funded by the NED to speak about China? True, it might
not negate their views as individuals and perhaps some of their work is
good, but it is odd to have people with funding from the NED speaking at a
"Socialism" conference.

I generally avoid it each year. It reminds me of Left Forum, which I also
ignore.

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Re: [Marxism] Ramapough Lenape Nation and Township of Mahwah Settle All Cases, All Fines Dismissed | Center for Constitutional Rights

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This is good to hear. The Ramapough Lenape were one of the communities that
supported the Nakba Tour and hosted a wonderful event:
https://mondoweiss.net/2017/09/american-palestinian-connections/

It was very difficult, however, to grow that into a stronger organizing
relationship because of the litigation that took up almost all of the
Tribe's time and resources.

I did not realize Rachel Meeropol was Michael's niece, she is a very
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Re: [Marxism] Platypus “Nobody wanted to hear, ‘You’re reactionary in what you’re doing’”: An Interview with Earl Silbar - Platypus

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I thought their name sounded familiar:
https://louisproyect.org/2010/04/25/q-what-is-a-platypus-a-an-american-eustonite/

This group apparently was a Zionist cult, though some of their more recent
postings imply they have had some degree of a change of position.

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Re: [Marxism] Ken Loach: blame 'fake left' politicians like Miliband and Blair for gig economy | Film | The Guardian

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Probably pressure from the idiots who run the place and have been egging on
the witch-hunt (see the atrocious articles from Jonathan Freedland, for
example). Capitalism at it's finest, when the bosses screw up an author's
article about capitalism.

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Re: [Marxism] Huffington Post: New York Times Apologizes For Anti-Semitic Cartoon In International Edition

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Not going to bother with John's response line-by-line but his statement
about the meaning of the symbol is totally incorrect, again suggesting that
symbols have inherent meaning regardless of where/how they are used and
depicted, and his suggestion that we should accept that something is
offensive based on how it is perceived and how people "feel" (including NYT
staffers) is a gateway to chauvinism and war propaganda, including people
who "feel" as though it is anti-Semitic when we make legitimate
condemnations of Zionism. As I pointed out in my first response, the line
of argument from HuffPost has nothing to do with the skullcap (which they
skipped over), but simply some sort of vague rhetorical similarity between
opposition to Israel/Zionism generally and "anti-Semitic tropes" (read:
"Nazis said X about Jews, and so leftists/activists saying something
similar to X about the Israeli state is a throwback to Nazism"). It is the
same line of reasoning used to smear Ilhan Omar. That line of reasoning is
total garbage.

Also it is spelled "yarmulke".

Best,

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> The Star of David is a symbol that represents Jewry, it was long before
> the present State of Israel.
> Netanyahua is Jewish - but does not represent ALL Jews presently, or
> through the ages.
> The image on that dog, was not the State of Israel flag, it was a symbol
> traced to 1,600 years ago and used to symbolize those identified as
> religious faith Jews.
>
> Do I sense anti-Jew themes and messages in that sketch and tragically in
> much else being oozed out - Yes I do!
> Am I sensitive about bigotry and hate - yes and as should we all.
>
> Anti-Semitism against Jews and Arabs, is on the rise.  I see it on the
> internet and I hear it from those who think that I would be receptive to
> hate.
>
> What do you mean when you write in denial response: "I'll admit the Trump
> skullcap is sketch but" - the wording is not clear -
> do you mean this was indeed anti-Jewish?  (It clearly was) and you now
> recognize that .   If so, is that not enough and the "but" is not needed to
> dilute this?
>
> The religious head piece is called a Yamika.   Trump is not blind - or
> being tricked/deceived by "clever Jews".  Trump is not even Jewish to my
> knowledge.
> One of his daughters is - so he therefore is under "suspicion".
>
> The drawing was offensive to many - accept that - and perhaps learn more
> WHY this sketch is viewed that way - due to a history of oppression.
> The NY Tmes did not first apologize and only changed when staff quit and
> negative blowback.  Do you start to get why this cartoon is wrong and
> hate?
> --
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> I'll admit the Trump skullcap is sketch but the other elements really
> aren't. It sounds like the AJC and the Times (and fellow comrades) are
> splitting hairs so as to read in anti-Semitic themes in what is plainly a
> cartoon about Netanyahu leading an idiot President. I do not see anything
> anti-Jewish about depicting Netanyahu or Israel as America's attack-dog.
>
> That Nazis and others use such imagery for their own nefarious reasons
> should not be a reason to read it in to anti-Zionist art, which was the
> thrust of the concern voiced in HuffPost.
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> > is so strongly supportive of Israel.
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"If you want to indicate Israel, why not use the flag? "

Putting aside whatever other issues might exist with this particular
painting, I find this logic problematic. Israel itself does not always use
the "two bars" (e.g. on its airplanes which carry the bombs that destroy
Gaza) and it's a wonder what might happen to our ability to depict Zionist
oppression through art if Israel were to simply remove the bars themselves.
In most cases, we judge the meaning of a symbol by its context. We rarely
assume that a symbol -- any symbol -- has some sort of intrinsic meaning. A
swastika at a Buddhist temple does not mean the same thing as as a swastika
on someone's armband at a white supremacist rally. A Christian cross around
the neck of a Christian peace activist does not mean the same thing as a
cross that is on fire that appears on a black family's lawn. An Islamic
statement of faith scrawled on the wall of a mosque does not mean the same
thing as when it is put on a black flag that accompanies a video of a gay
man being thrown off a roof in Iraq. Similarly, a Jewish star on a
synagogue, around the neck of an observant Jew, or likewise does not mean
the same thing as a Jewish star on the flags, machinery, uniforms -- or
politicians -- associated with the brute forced displacement of non-Jews.

Symbols mean different things depending on how/where/when they are
depicted. Here there is such a symbol on a caricature of Netanyahu, who is
depicted as a cartoon dog leading around Trump, who is blind. The lengths
one has to go to assume there is some sort of anti-Semitic aspect to that
imagery (that it is like the dehumanizing pictures that Julius Streicher
used or something) is a blatant reach.

Artist could have avoided giving Trump a yarmulke, though. Not sure why
that was necessary and I concede that that single motif does unnecessarily
add a discriminatory dimension to the picture and undermines what I
maintain is a pretty straightforward and reasonable line of argument about
Israel and Trump.

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> aren't. It sounds like the AJC and the Times (and fellow comrades) are
> splitting hairs so as to read in anti-Semitic themes in what is plainly a
> cartoon about Netanyahu leading an idiot President. I do not see anything
> anti-Jewish about depicting Netanyahu or Israel as America's attack-dog.
>
> That Nazis and others use such imagery for their own nefarious reasons
> should not be a reason to read it in to anti-Zionist art, which was the
> thrust of the concern voiced in HuffPost.
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>> is so strongly supportive of Israel.
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Re: [Marxism] Huffington Post: New York Times Apologizes For Anti-Semitic Cartoon In International Edition

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I'll admit the Trump skullcap is sketch but the other elements really
aren't. It sounds like the AJC and the Times (and fellow comrades) are
splitting hairs so as to read in anti-Semitic themes in what is plainly a
cartoon about Netanyahu leading an idiot President. I do not see anything
anti-Jewish about depicting Netanyahu or Israel as America's attack-dog.

That Nazis and others use such imagery for their own nefarious reasons
should not be a reason to read it in to anti-Zionist art, which was the
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Re: [Marxism] Huffington Post: New York Times Apologizes For Anti-Semitic Cartoon In International Edition

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As usual, anti-Semitism conflated with anti-Zionism by arguing some sort of
vague rhetorical similarity. NYT's apology is simply an extension of the
paper's regular Zionist and anti-Arab & anti-Muslim propaganda.

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Re: [Marxism] The Ramapoughs

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I feel like this article really downplayed the racism of the Trump
Administration; Trump himself once argued that he had more indigenous blood
than the Ramapoughs did (essentially calling them fakers) when he was
battling with them over tribal recognition that would have threatened his
casino business prospects.

That the federal government is defending them under its interpretation of
RLUIPA -- a law that has benefits for right-wing Christians just as it
benefits minority ethnic/religious groups -- hardly suggests that they're
really allies generally, particularly in the primary fight that the
Ramapoughs are fighting, which is against an oil/gas pipeline. I feel like
the purpose of the article is to steer white liberals away from supporting
the Ramapoughs by using guilt-by-association with Trump.

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> (In 2011, I reviewed an HBO documentary titled “Mann vs. Ford” about the
> struggle of Ramapough Indians to make Ford Motors accountable for the
> toxic spills from their Mahwah plant. You can see the film for only
> $2.99 on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4VKDusnSL4) as well
> as other streaming sites. The Ramapough were part of the Lenape
> linguistic group (aka Delaware) that were to N.Y. and New Jersey that
> the Lakota or Blackfoot were to the northern Plains. In the film I am
> currently working on, to be titled “Utopia in the Catskills”, I devote a
> fair amount of time to the Monsee Indians, another Lenape band, that
> “sold” Manhattan to the Dutch. Closely related to the Lenape Indians, of
> course, were the Mahicans who James Fenimore Cooper wrote about. Cooper
> and Washington Irving were deeply enamored of the Catskill Mountains and
> used it as a background for their novels and short stories. In reality,
> the Borscht Belt was not exactly “the Catskills” despite it being
> referred to as such customarily. By the time you got to my home town
> Woodridge, which was identified as the “Utopia in the Catskills” in a
> 1947 article in the leftist PM newspaper, the only mountains were those
> of the Shawangunk Ridge nearby Ellenville. In the article below, you’ll
> see a reference to Rachel Meeropol, who is the daughter of Robert
> Meeropol and the niece of our comrade Michael Meeropol.)
>
> NY Times, April 23, 2019
> Native Americans Find Surprising Ally in N.J. Fight: Trump Administration
> By Sarah Maslin Nir
>
> MAHWAH, N.J. — A knee-high pile of rocks sits in a far corner of a gated
> community set among rolling hills known as the Polo Club.
>
> To the Ramapough Lenape Nation, which owns a patch of land in the gated
> community and piled the stones here, it’s an altar.
>
> To the Township of Mahwah, the 15-foot-long mound is a violation of town
> code. And since 2017, the town has regularly issued flurries of
> citations: for the rock pile, for a collection of fallen trees tipped
> upright and arranged in a circle, and for using a residentially zoned
> plot for religious use, even when no one is there.
>
> So many summonses — the Ramapough estimated they receive up to $12,500 a
> week in fines — that the town says the tribe owes more than $4 million.
>
> The tribe has refused to pay the fines or apply for the permits that the
> town says are required, and instead has concentrated its energy on a
> lawsuit it filed last year, contending that Mahwah and the club are
> using zoning rules and fines to persecute it.
>
> The conflict is the latest episode in a series of longstanding disputes
> over the government’s treatment of Native Americans — over planned
> pipelines, water rights and how the United States handles funds and
> natural resources that it holds in trust.
>
> But in this case, the federal government — often a tribe’s adversary —
> has come to the Ramapoughs’ aid. The federal Justice Department filed a
> letter last month expressing its support for the tribe, suggesting that
> the tribe had cause to believe that the town’s behavior has
> “significantly chilled Ramapough’s use of the land for religious
> purposes” in violation of federal protections.
>
> The Justice Department letter comes on the heels of a ruling in Trenton
> that clarified the Ramapoughs’ status as a state-recognized tribe.
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Re: [Marxism] Algerian activist criticises NZ liberal women wearing hijab as 'solidarity' re the mosque murders

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Totally agree with Michael. The whole "veil/scarf = oppression" narrative
is ridiculous.

This article by Lila Abu Lughod does a good job tearing it apart:
https://org.uib.no/smi/seminars/Pensum/Abu-Lughod.pdf

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> Of course we should all support women's struggles against compulsory
> veiling. In Iran a female lawyer has just been sentenced to 38 years in
> prison for defending women's rights activists, who wre protesting
> compuslory veiling.
> But women have the right to wear a scarf over their heads just as they have
> a right not to. Much as I can understand where an Algrian activist is
> coming from, the sentence "At the times of Al Qaeda and Daesch – i.e. when
> no one in the world can pretend to ignore what happens to women who do not
> conform – isn’t donning the veil somehow short sighted?" - is basically
> conflating the wearing of a scarf with al-Qaida and Daesh!
> Where I work in western Sydney, many Muslim teachers, and countless Muslim
> students, wear a scarf. Many would rightly laugh me off if I told them they
> were only wearing it due to oppression. Imagine what they would think if I
> compared them to Daesh. I'd probably lose my job as a racist. At least I'd
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> > (and then by ordinary citizens as well) saw it fit to wear a so-called
> > Islamic head covering during their public functions.
> >
> > "We believe that there were many other symbols that could have been
> chosen
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Re: [Marxism] On Ilhan Omar, Assad Fetishism, and the Danger of Red-Brown “Anti-Imperialism”

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I agreed with him until this:

"This gets into Rothschilds-Protocols of the Elders of Zion territory
wherein Jews are always behind all wars, manipulating all sides to their
advantage. Instead of simply saying what is factually correct and
undeniably true – that Israel attempted to take advantage of the war for
its benefit, just as Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Qatar, and Russia all did
– Susli strongly implies in her statement, and in many of her other
statements, that in fact the war in Syria can be laid at the feet of Tel
Aviv, rather than Washington or Ankara or Riyadh or Damascus or Moscow."

If it were anti-Semitic territory to exaggerate Israel's role in the
region, then the accusations against Omar and Corbyn would have had some
validity. It isn't; they don't.

Israel is one of the most powerful states in bith the region and the world.
It is obvious why Israel's role in world affairs is consistently overstated
by some of its critics, just as it is equally obvious why its apologists
downplay Israel's role in world affairs.

That is aside from all the ridiculous comments from mouthpieces for Assad.

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> Posted this article from Eric's Patreon page that might have been behind
> a paywall. I want to make sure that everybody had a chance to read it
> since Eric, of course, once had an entirely different analysis. It
> symbolizes the maturation of the left when such an article can be
> written and puts us in a better position when the contradictions of MENA
> produce a new revolutionary wave.
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Re: [Marxism] [UCE] From Alana Goodman: AOC’s chief of staff ran $1 Million slush fund; diverted campaign cash to his own firms | Washington Babylon

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It is total nonsense.

I won't waste time with the details but it is a bogus complaint filed by a
right-wing group sponsored by Trump supporters. They're taking aim at the
leadership of Justice Democrats, a liberal-leaning organization that pushes
progressive Dems to run against incumbents.

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> > basic allegation may be true
> > but the the cheap, lurid, gossip-sheet style (a la the National
> > Enquirer) makes me wonder about the
> > true intent - news, or vitriol?
> >
> > - Bill
>
> To me, what's puzzling is that Ken Silverstein is on record as
> supporting A. O-C.
>
> "But a few new House Democrats are off to great starts, and no star
> shines brighter than Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, if you
> think my endorsement will help your political career, you’ve got it,
> just say the word."
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Re: [Marxism] ‘Zio’ control no more: Russia’s role in an anti-Semitism fest for fascists, 'feminists,' spies and neo-Nazis in Iran - World News - Haaretz.com

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Can't read it because of paywall. Going to assume it's garbage given the
author.

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Re: [Marxism] The AnftiFa Antimonies, Part 3 | Washington Babylon

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I have yet to hear anyone speak about Antifa but from their personal
experiences, and outside of the people involved in it, I have yet to hear
anything positive. I recall many of these people during several large-scale
anti-neoliberalism protests that I attended when I was much younger. At the
time, I shared their worldview having become interested in anarchism. In
retrospect I wonder what the hell I was thinking.

Andrew Stewart's description matches my own experiences with people active
in Antifa. More importantly, if Antifa varies so widely that one cannot
generalize from one group to another, I wonder why they are all proudly
sharing in the same name, labels, sloganeering, symbolism, etc.

Needless to say the fact that they operate in a clandestine fashion with no
apparent accountability to anyone but themselves and with a heavy focus not
on those who rule over us but rather on hooliganism and street brawls with
fringe extremists should be enough to conclude that they are irrelevant if
not prone to bringing unnecessary risks and worth excluding from left
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> demonstration that Trump is just a symptom of a disease in body politic
> that is broadly and deeply pervasive.
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> > public hooliganism exhibited by a bunch of suburban revolutionaries who
> > have credit scores and the ability to very easily avoid serious
> > repercussions for said misbehavior is the height of petit bourgeois
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> >
> > Typical generalizations from someone who has limited experience. Stick to
> > talking about RI., you know nothing about actually anitfa groups outside
> > your immediate experience from what you write, yet you generalize this to
> > all antifa groups (??). I don't have much respect for antifa formations,
> > but what you write is so far off-base (like my quote above), it's no
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Re: [Marxism] Why Senator Bernie Sanders Lost My Support - Teen Vogue

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Lol TeenVogue's editor made her qualify her language on Israel:

He was among the 100 senators who signed a letter

to
the United Nations asking to improve its treatment of Israel in 2017, *which
I disagree with. *

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Re: [Marxism] An Honest Living – Steve Salaita

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It's totally fucked up, but I'm a bit confused. Didn't he get nearly $1M
from UIUC in the settlement? Why does he need to drive a bus?

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Re: [Marxism] Karl Marx's London memorial vandalised for second time | Ruth Quinn | The Guardian

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It is unsurprising that anti-communists are clueless as to actual history
in that both of the events cited as part of a "Bolshevik Holocaust" --
namely 1917 for Russian Rev and 1953 (I presume for Khrushchev, though that
was because Stalin died...) are well after Marx died. But in this case they
tagged the literal tomb where it presumably gives those dates. So they
would have known if they literally read the thing they were vandalizing.

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Re: [Marxism] Benjamin and Kolhatkar support Rouhani

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My understanding was that the Shah was in power and Mossadegh essentially
shifted the power balance in favor of the Majlis/Parliament, which is what
triggered the CIA coup and the return of the Shah to full-on dictatorship.

Who actually invited Medea Benjamin to Iran? Her group is very odd. They
used to organize some of the anti-Israel-Lobby stuff in DC but they've
since stopped doing that (I think over internal disputes with Palestine
groups). Their heyday really was during the Iraq invasion when they
siphoned support from Democrats.

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Re: [Marxism] Democrats Sic the Hyenas on Rep. Ilhan Omar

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It really is a common phrase. I don't even listen to rap music.

I think you guys are giving an awful lot of leeway to an orchestrated
attack while giving very little to Omar. No reasonable reading of what we
see on Twitter involved her saying anything insensitive. Other people read
anti-Semitic tropes into it the same way they've read it into virtually any
opposition to Israel, it's lobby, etc.

It reminds me of that fiasco some years back about the Muslim kid who built
a clock and was arrested because the teacher said it might be a bomb. Once
the idea that it was "bomb-like" was planted, other people began lending
validity to the suspicion, as though the kid had done something wrong. The
same thing is happening here. Only after the onslaught did anyone go back
and read anti-Semitism into what were actually entirely benign comments.
The anti-Semitism panic is reversely dictating the meaning of her tweets
when any reasonable reading of the tweets said nothing wrong.

And she felt the need to apologize for fairly obvious reasons that had
nothing to do with her being incorrect. She was held hostage.

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> The Benjamins = money in rap culture. I'm guessing some of you guys are
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c58ppLPJcQ <
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> It's also impressive how otherwise intelligent people can so easily be
> dragged into an absolutely ridiculous and racist witch-hunt. Omar said that
> AIPAC lobbying was all about money. There is nothing even vaguely
> anti-Semitic about that unless you are already on a witch-hunt for it and
> trying to associate Zionist advocacy with a Jewish conspiracy. Moreover,
> even assuming there is any connection it would indicate that AIPAC embodies
> an anti-Semitic caricature; hardly Omar's fault.
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> Goldberg is a windbag.
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> culture.  And I don’t know what percentage of the American people would
> catch that reference.  Presumably, if a majority of people understood the
> reference, Rep. Omar could have said, “Everyone knows what I’m talking
> about.”
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> It could be argued that the reference to Benjamins would help get the
> message out to a certain percentage of the American people.  But, looking
> at this from a distance, it seems that the use of the word Benjamins got in
> the way of her message.  It was possible for some people to misunderstand
> it and for others to use it as a handle to attack her.
>
> Of course we can’t replay this experience to see what’d might have
> happened if she had used language that was more difficult to twist against
> her.
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> that next time this happens it will be said in such a way that the person
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Re: [Marxism] Democrats Sic the Hyenas on Rep. Ilhan Omar | Washington Babylon

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The Benjamins = money in rap culture. I'm guessing some of you guys are old:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c58ppLPJcQ

It's also impressive how otherwise intelligent people can so easily be
dragged into an absolutely ridiculous and racist witch-hunt. Omar said that
AIPAC lobbying was all about money. There is nothing even vaguely
anti-Semitic about that unless you are already on a witch-hunt for it and
trying to associate Zionist advocacy with a Jewish conspiracy. Moreover,
even assuming there is any connection it would indicate that AIPAC embodies
an anti-Semitic caricature; hardly Omar's fault.

Goldberg is a windbag.



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> Sorry but I actually was persuaded by Michelle Goldberg's piece --- Yes,
> much of the bare facts that Rep Omar stated are true (though emphasizing
> the manipulation by AIPAC neglects the long run confluence of interests
> between the US ruling class and the Israeli government -- the US doesn't
> need to be manipulated by AIPAC) --- BUT --  the tossed off reference by
> Rep. Omar to the "Benjamins" harkens to the usual trope about rich Jews
> controlling everything ---  Allowing oneself to be called an anti-semite
> nplays into the hands of the right wing and Goldberg was right to call her
> out on it  and SHE was right to apologize ---
>
> It is unfortunate the victims of discrimination have to be twice as good as
> everyone else to be considered equal --- in this context Muslims in the US
> have to be like Ceasar's wife in order not to be subject to unfair attacks
> -- (and they will anyway --- )   Its totally unfair and with time that
> unfairness will be less effective --- but thats the reality ---
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> Soros, et al is useful and important ---
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Re: [Marxism] It's leftism or Zionism - you can't have both - Opinion - Israel News | Haaretz.com

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The JVP statement has gotten too much fanfare if anything:

https://mondoweiss.net/2019/01/rejection-imperialism-criticism/

JVP's statement is contradictory. They say they reject Zionism but then
repeatedly imply that they have some kind of connection to Israel as Jews.
The entire organizing model is about Jewish people having a special right,
as Jews, to talk about Israel/Palestine (note:JVP is entirely based in
America) -- almost, as if to imply, that Jews form some sort of singular
national group??

If anything their org is a critical, dissenting extension of Zionism, not
an opponent. Like, really really liberal Zionism.

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> JVP recently came out as officially anti-Zionist:
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> quietly on its website earlier this month, has thus far come and gone
> without much fanfare or public attention. It simply wasn’t surprising for
> many.
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> “This doesn’t change anything about our focus or our political analysis,”
> JVP’s executive director, Rebecca Vilkomerson says, explaining that the
> change is not a huge departure for the organization in either practice or
> principle. “It just names something that hasn’t been named before.”
>
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> the statement went up on JVP’s website, an umbrella group of Jewish
> organizations in Boston voted to expel any of its members who partner with
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Re: [Marxism] It's leftism or Zionism - you can't have both - Opinion - Israel News | Haaretz.com

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Indeed, though I think even that's an overstatement when considering how
even unofficially most of their members have opposed Zionism since the
beginning. So even the evolution is minimal.

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Re: [Marxism] How To Think Clearly About Anti-Semitism Controversies In The Labour Party | Current Affairs

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The running theme with most of these "critical thinking" pieces about
Labour anti-Semitism is that, whether they repeat the canard that Corbyn,
Livingstone, or others are anti-Semitic, the problem is them. Corbyn
shouldn't have spoken at this event or that event, that Livingstone
apparently should never speak at all, etc. etc.

And it's a complete crock of shit. The writer makes it appear that
anti-Semitism actually is pervasive in British society (it isn't) and that
Pal activists should be more careful about where they speak or what they
say, lest they somehow validate the creeping anti-Semitism. But not a
single one of the quotes from Livingstone actually evinces any
anti-Semitism (and in fact many are standard if not prerequisite views on
the Left), and there is no indication that any of the "anti-Semitism" at
the various events Corbyn spoke at were anything more than the kind of
standard angry rhetoric one hears at Leftist events or the kind of
chauvinist rhetoric one hears in every sensitive race-related topic. For
the author, who appears to be struggling with his own position in this
affair given how contradictory his views are, somehow the jeers about
anti-Semitism are fundamentally different and even things like being at the
same conference as elected Palestinian leaders like Khaled Meshaal are
things to do reluctantly.

In some ways these pieces are even worse than the standard garbage being
slung at Corbyn, because they appear to come from a place of support
despite having the same practical effect, which is to force Leftists and
Pal activists to aggressively police themselves and their own organizations
and create the same dangerous chilling effect using the spectre of
anti-Semitism.

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Re: [Marxism] FREE Haymarket Ebook: Socialist Strategy and Electoral Politics

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Re: [Marxism] Amy Goodman publicizes racist: More of the red-brown alliance in action

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*Also worth noting, to his credit: ARR did not cite UN Watch or other
Israeli propaganda in criticizing DN for hosting this man. He (mostly)
focused on the things that genuinely make de Zayas problematic, like his
association with AfD.

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Re: [Marxism] Amy Goodman publicizes racist: More of the red-brown alliance in action

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" But the assembled quotes from de Zayas do point up how an unprincipled
anti-Americanism can lead to extremely problematic territory. To wit:
...
• "Israel emerged out of terrorism against the indigenous population" and
its representatives should be denied U.N. accreditation. Source
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So to criticize leftists at DN for bringing on a right-wing mouthpiece like
de Zayas, you guys cite a leftist blog (CounterVortex) that cites
right-wing mouthpieces and Zionist war propaganda (like UN Watch)?

There is nothing "problematic" about half of those quotes. The Old
Testament, like most ancient religious literature, is a barbaric book.
Nuremburg was an exercise in victor's justice, which is why subsequent
international criminal tribunals tried to make serious structural changes
to the process, including standardizing (or attempting to standardize)
international criminal law. The Allies did commit horrific wartime
atrocities, just as the Axis powers did, even if genocide wasn't one of
them. And Israel is unambiguously a regime that emerged out of terrorism
against the indigenous population. And even as the piece notes that UN
Watch is "pro-Western" (which is misleading, unless by "Western" you mean
"Israel"), it still depends on UN Watch for half of the material and even
repeats Israeli propaganda. It is also worth noting how the implicit
suggestion is that being "pro-Western" or pro-Israel and attempting to
discredit human rights agencies that monitor Israeli abuses -- which are
happening in real time -- does not qualify as racism or right-wing activism
(at least, not enough to stop quoting them), while this man's affiliations
with groups that downplay atrocities that happened historically do.

That de Zayas is apparently a German fascist or has fascist supporters is
being used by this blog as a launching point to assail not only Democracy
Now but a series of totally valid and fundamentally left-wing political
causes including anti-Zionism and anti-imperialism. It smells like an
Anti-Deutsch blog.

And it is transparent they aren't just going at DN for the mistake of
hosting a fake expert with Nazi ties (which is a reasonable criticism), but
actually substantively opposed to opposition to imperialism and Zionism (or
at least, totally clueless about both things) and they are using this man's
appearance to give it the veneer of being principled leftists.

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> > Amy Goodman has put on her show one Alfred de Zayas, a supposed "former
> UN
> > expert" on human rights. He was put on to discuss Venezuela. As the
> article
> > reveals, de Zayas is a supporter of the AfD in Germany. He only "opposes"
> > US imperialism because he supports Putin and Russian imperialism. We see,
> > once again, how all these radical lefts, or in the case of Goodman a left
> > liberal, are fodder for the red-brown alliance because they completely
> miss
> > the main point: The class conflict.
>
> It seems worth pointing out that Bill acknowledges it was Alexander Reid
> Ross who first brought this to his attention:
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Re: [Marxism] Why Professors Are Writing Crap That Nobody Reads | Intellectual Takeout

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An interesting article, but note that this is apparently the mouthpiece of
some kind of right-wing organization called the "Charlemagne Institute".

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Re: [Marxism] From Exile to Dirtbag: Edgelord geopolitics and the rise of “National Bolshevism” in the U.S.

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I don't want to further rehash the debate about Unz because I think we've
already gone full-circle. But ARR's article is not about Unz. He is taking
aim at Chapo Trap House, Ames, and Taibbi. Even assuming the Unz business
is part of a National Bolshevik revival that doesn't give ARR the carte
blanche to write whatever stupid shit he wants.

Re: the parts of the article that MM has posted:

1) The NPR piece by Taibbi that is supposedly a defense/promotion starts by
referring to Liminov as a "neo-fascist" and focuses on his bizarre personal
exploits and failures. Perhaps that's not he same as calling for him to be
punched in the face, but for ARR to dig it up like it is proof of an
endorsement of Liminov's politics, let alone five years after the fact, is
totally dishonest.

2) Look at the weasel words: "The eXile’s editors helped frame West-East
conflict in ways that deflected criticism of Putin back to the US and
reflected Russia’s propaganda line, *which brought left and right together
in a geopolitical struggle with National Bolshevik overtones*." This is
classic bullshittery from ARR. He doesn't focus on whatever actual ties
there might have been. Taking the same position as an organization that he
admits fuses left-wing positions with right-wing ones is enough for him to
find Nazism.

3) Based on a closer reading of his article (something I was hesitant to do
given how bad it is), the line appears to go: Chapo Trap House having Matt
Taibbi as a guest; Matt Taibbi working at the eXile, apparently a bizarre
punk zine for English-speaking expats, with Mark Ames; Mark Ames recruiting
Liminov to write a column in their edgy magazine; Liminov adopting National
Bolshevism and the ideas of Aleksandr Dugin; Dugin and the National
Bolsheviks channeling the Russian ultranationalists and embracing US Nazis
like Richard Spencer. Richard Spencer also likes the sarcasm of Chapo Trap
House because his community is also sarcastic.

There is literally nothing of significance implicating Chapo Trap House in
any of this business. The mere fact that he would even include them in the
article for having Taibbi speak on their podcast is discrediting enough,
but ARR had to do it because he is trying to go after internet trolling and
the "dirtbag left". So, he just concocted this bullshit. It's also worth
noting that whatever edgelordiness that the eXile might have had, all of
Taibbi's US-directed work has been serious journalism published in The
Rolling Stone. There is no reason to think of him as a troll.

4) Taibbi and Ames' fascination with Liminov doesn't seem to be any
different from the general media fascination (and confusion) with him over
his personal exploits and political prospects as potential challenger to
Putin:

a)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/12/eduard-limonov-interview-putin-nightmare
b)
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2015/05/21/weird-and-instructive-story-eduard-limonov/

Liminov is obviously a bizarre figure with bad politics. But he was/is also
a prominent one in Russian politics. ARR went back nearly eleven years to a
catch-all publication that mixed satire and anger with pranks and tried to
indict two reporters -- and a wholly unrelated podcast -- because Liminov
The NazBol once wrote a column there and because of the foreign policy
positions they took. There is no indication that Dugin or the far right had
any involvement, and judging by the article by Ames that ARR cites, it
sounds like Ames had no personal connection to Dugin, having to ask others
what he allegedly thought and so forth. There is also no indication that
Taibbi or Ames ever agreed with Liminov's approach of coordinating with
ultranationalists (or even understood what it was), and despite how long
this article was, the closest thing ARR could drum up was that they
defended Russian foreign policy.

I can't believe you made me re-read it. :(

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> ARR's article, which isn't about any of these people, takes the association
> game to a new extreme.
>
>
> I’m starting to think ARR didn’t actually read the article, at least not
> very closely. I’m going to paste a few paragraphs and then a couple of
> links:
>
> With the fall of the Soviet Union, Limonov joined fellow National
> Bolshevik, Aleksandr Dugin, to promote that dream of a Eurasian “large
> space” premised on fascist geopolitics and based in the Kremlin. Committed
> to the total destruction of what they perceive

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"I don't understand why you don't understand.  Leftists should not
be associated with neo-Nazi websites in any capacity."

I'm not disagreeing with that. Unz is politically poisonous.

I'm disagreeing that the blame lies on leftists for his publishing
decisions, as though they have control over what he says or does, and
separately disagreeing that it is an important matter because Unz himself
(like LaRouche) is unimportant.

I still recall the attempt by David Duke to "endorse" Charles Barron's
Senate run. It caught Barron blind-sided and suddenly Barron had to
explain, bizarrely, that he is not, in fact, a friend of Nazis. One would
think that would be clear given that Barron is black and a militant
leftist, and one might also wonder why the news cameras were paying any
attention to David Duke in the first place given his complete and utter
insignificance, but lo and behold, the Barron campaign was torched using
David Duke's kiss of death.

That Finkelstein's works get published by Unz is gross, but hardly grosser
than the fact that Finkelstein's work (and Chomsky's before him) also had
regular play on less prominent Nazi websites including Holocaust Denial
publications. What you are saying makes it seem like it's their burden to
somehow go out of their way and trawl through the shadiest corners of the
internet to get those writings removed because right-wing extremists choose
to appropriate them for their own purposes, as though they ever sent in
their endorsement in the first place. I don't agree with that.

ARR's article, which isn't about any of these people, takes the association
game to a new extreme.
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"I strongly object to excusing Norman Finkelstein in this fashion. By
allowing his name to be listed as a columnist, he legitimizes a neo-Nazi
website."

You keep calling them "columnists". The implication of this is that he is
actually collaborating with Unz, like a staffer. If what Finkelstein told
me is true, then that is not the case and would imply that it is likely not
the case for the others. Unz is unilaterally deciding what he wants to
republish. If they aren't actively collaborating with him then it isn't
even clear that Unz would remove their names or materials if asked. My own
writings have appeared in random corners of the internet, including places
I don't want them. I have no control over that. And it doesn't make me a
"columnist". I'd point out -- so have Marx's, Chomsky's, Lenin's, etc.

It is an issue that right wing groups are trying to sanitize their messages
by mixing them with left rhetoric, but it is not nearly as big of an issue
as you're implying for the primary reason that these groups and individuals
are mostly irrelevant. LaRouche and his weirdos have been around for
decades. They are an insignificant cult and I would pay them the same
attention I pay to the Hare Krishnas and Scientology. On the other hand,
falsely implying the existence of Nazi collaboration among left groups over
trivial points of contact -- none of which appear to involve actually
endorsing or defending fascist ideology, with the possible exception of
Johnstone -- sounds like a serious error of judgment. And when ARR does it,
it is straightforwardly done in bad faith.

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Added bonus, now this "anarchist" freakshow is re-blogging propaganda from
the Anti-Defamation League, the Zionist organization that organizes Israeli
government trainings for US cops and leads the pack to dehumanize
Palestinians: https://twitter.com/areidross/status/1088114649164201984 .

The map he finds so fascinating doesn't appear to have any explicitly
anti-Palestine materials but the mere fact that he is signal boosting them
as though they are a legitimate civil rights organization (particularly
given his own conspiratorial "everyone-is-in-cahoots-burn-everything"
attitude under which he is willing to tar people for much less) should
indicate that he is a fraud. It's also a map that indicates almost the
exact opposite of what it proclaims to document, namely some sort of rise
in anti-Semitism. Most of the "incidents" listed are teenagers making Jew
jokes and idiots from hate groups putting up flyers on bulletin boards.
Hardly a reason to beef up security at the beer hall.

As far as Richard Spencer goes, honestly, who cares? RS praised Chapo Trap
House for being into internet trolling culture. There is no political
similarity. Even if he were to say something like "I like Chapo Trap House
and agree with everything they say," that would be an obvious
unidirectional endorsement and has the significance of David Duke endorsing
Occupy Wall Street. Those people have their own political agenda and
Leftists do not have any control over it. Neither Chapo Trap House nor the
Chapo community has anything but scorn for the right-wing. They are almost
entirely behind Bernie Sanders and the DSA.

I spoke to Finkelstein about Unz after the last time it came up. He does
not publish for Unz; Unz reblogs things he has written elsewhere, including
on his own website. Unz is also apparently a zillionaire while Finkelstein
was fired from his job for defending Palestine. If the $$$ payment rumor is
true, I think it is obvious why Finkelstein might have taken the money and
it again hardly shows any sort of political likemindedness. The rest of
these people have gone on various programs or endorsed stupid ideas. That
is the normal course of the Left and hardly indicates what ARR is implying,
namely some sort of fascist tendency.

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I'm surprised this piece has caused any serious debate given how
objectively awful it is.

For one, here's ARR's tweet claiming Rania Khalek is an anti-Semitic Nazi
-- not an Assadist, not a Stalinist, but an anti-Semite -- based on
literally nothing: https://twitter.com/areidross/status/1080952181048598529
^^^Rania Khalek transparently condemns the fact that corporations control
media, this "leftist" writer decides to suggest she's baiting Jews. *If
there was any implication that ARR was writing these
six-degrees-of-anti-Semitism hit-pieces in good faith and attempting to
genuinely fend off some sort of right-wing takeover of the Left, tweets
like that should make it clear that his intentions are bad and that they
are exactly as his detractors initially suggested: that he is falsely
labeling left-wing writers as Nazis over pre-existing disputes with them on
matters that are widely debated on the Left, including Syria. *His
criticisms are not honest or made in good faith, and he is in fact little
more than a troll and a fraudster. If the United States had functioning
defamation laws, Khalek would be able to sue him for damages, and rightly
so. This is a person who has consistently published fraudulent attacks on
others but refuses to go away even after being exposed as the virus that he
is.

That he has been relegated to Medium.com -- which publishes literally
anyone -- and has no other place to publish his vile attacks on the Left is
a good sign.

As far as the piece that is the subject of this topic, let's be clear about
a few points:

1) Despite the title, there is no evidence in his piece or anywhere else
that National Bolshevism is in any way a meaningful trend, let alone "on
the rise" in the United States. The only person in US politics that
promotes this bizarre ideology is Matthew Heimbach, the imbecile who
recently made alt-news headlines when got kicked out of his Neo-Nazi
cosplaying drinking club for losers, the National Socialism Movement, for
being a Strasserite. Neither he nor the group that expelled him have any
meaningful influence, followers, political support, etc. They are
completely irrelevant. There is nothing in ARR's garbage article that
suggests otherwise, and the only way to imply otherwise is to think that
Chapo Trap House, Mark Ames, and Matt Taibbi are somehow complicit in
actually promoting National Bolshevism. They are not and there is nothing
in his piece that suggests they are, and the mere fact that ARR's putrid
propaganda would suggest otherwise is a reason he should be ignored if not
publicly flagellated.

2) Despite what you would gather from this article, there does not appear
to be *any* indication that "the eXile" is a Neo-Nazi/far-right/fascist
publication. All of the content is "edgy" satirical nonsense. Furthermore,
the individuals that ARR pegs as Nazis appear to have secondary and
tertiary connections to the magazine. Whatever ARR is trying to drive at he
has basically no evidence whatsoever.

3) The evidence of some connection between eXile and a resurgence of
"National Bolshevism" in the US is even weaker. He goes at Taibbi for
allegedly taking a Russia-soft stance on Syria, Mark Ames and some other
guy for similar reasons, and then has the gall to suggest that there is a
neo-fascist influence on Chapo Trap House on the grounds that the latter is
also filled with sarcastic humor (which is the extent to which there is any
commonality with the alt-right).

Like with his tweet about Rania Khalek, ARR tries to find Nazis virtually
everywhere. He makes no real effort to study the far right, does not
provide any serious evidence for his conspiracy theories, and primarily
functions to torch the Left over alleged stylistic and rhetorical
similarities he finds with Nazis. He may as well criticize the Left for
hosting rallies because that's what Nazis do. Why would anyone find
anything of significance in his writings? The guy is an utter moron and a
reactionary.

I should add he got his degree from what is apparently a diploma mill,
which is hardly surprising given how bad his writing is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Graduate_School

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This is gross. ARR is claiming Matt Taibbi and Chapo Trap House are part of
a Nazi infiltration? Give me a break. Last week he claimed Rania Khalek was
an anti-Semite for tweeting that corporations have too much power over the
media. This guy is an absolute crackpot.

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[Marxism] Prison Reform Giant Michelle Alexander: Time to Break Silence on Palestine

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/19/opinion/sunday/martin-luther-king-palestine-israel.html

This is a pretty big development. Michelle Alexander is calling out
everyone on the Left that has been quiet about Palestine. There are some
hiccups in the article (including downplaying the comparison between South
Africa and Palestine, and validating the notion that anti-Semitism is a
potential problem among those involved in Palestine advocacy) but overall
it is a strong piece and does not, for example, skimp on the relevance of
the Palestinian refugees.

MA chose MLK Jr. Day to come out with the piece. I personally interpret
this as a rebuke to recent attempts by Zionist groups to suppress prominent
black rights advocates who have openly supported Palestine, including the
smearing of Marc Lamont Hill, the attempt to dishonor Angela Davis at a
Birmingham civil rights museum, the "anti-Semitism" canards being slung at
Tamika Mallory and Linda Sarsour, and the digging-up-dirt around Alice
Walker. No doubt this may result in MA being placed in the cross-hairs.

Some additional commentary from MondoWeiss:
https://mondoweiss.net/2019/01/alexander-progressives-palestine/

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Re: [Marxism] How New York City Ended Up With 2 Competing Women’s Marches

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I dare say, I agree with my own opinion on this much more than the Times
writer:

https://mondoweiss.net/2019/01/israel-zionist-alternative/

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Re: [Marxism] NYTimes.com: American Jews and Israeli Jews Are Headed for a Messy Breakup

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Note, however, that the schism is not really about Palestine, but about the
role of the far-right vis-a-vis Diaspora Jews. The author is basically
saying that Trump and Netanyahu are complicit in promoting anti-Semitism
outside of Palestine/Israel.

While Jews in America might perceive anti-Semitism being on the rise (which
doesn't say much given that it is a practically non-existent phenomenon
among mainstream American society), the same paranoia applies equally to
Jewish community perceptions about, for example, the BDS movement (which
also doesn't threaten Jews). So the schism with Israel won't necessarily
mean a groundswell of support for Palestine.There is very little evidence
of rising anti-Semitism in America, and in fact the hate crime statistics
posted (which are about as meaningful as "terrorism" statistics in that
they measure the actions of fringe individuals rather than those with
institutional power) are misleading

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I also caution anyone who sees changing perceptions among Jews as a sign of
progress not to exaggerate the extent to which Jews in America actually
control US foreign policy. They don't. The same dominant interests drive
the US relationship with Israel that drive the US relationship with other
countries, with the distinction being that Israel is a particularly
powerful ally (with a captive nation living under its occupation, a
strategic location, ICBMs and nukes, a large air force fleet, a major
player in the international weapons trade, control over symbolically
powerful territory, etc.). Those interests won't go away just because Jews
in America perceive Trump to put them at odds. To the extent that this
phenomenon of Trump betraying Jews is real (and it isn't), it would simply
mean Jews would no longer have the same political capital domestically as
they have now. US support for Israel can and would continue.

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Re: [Marxism] Che

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Che's own works have been translated into English. I recommend On Guerilla
Warfare.

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Re: [Marxism] Anarchist speaks from Afrin

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Kind of indicates that those types take extreme stances only when
convenient, and then suddenly find a way to "settle" for everything that
isn't convenient. I know it's not worth grouping all anarchists together
but it would explain why they are ready to go larping against fringe hate
groups while adopting talking points from J-Street when it comes to Israel
inside the Western countries. Same thing here: the anarchists from afar
condemn the Assad regime, but the handful that actually go to Syria are
ready to make concessions to him while fighting everyone else. Wherever
they are, they operate within the lines rather than re-drawing them.

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> Here is a report from a US or European anarchist in Afrin. Notice that his
> entire narrative is about fighting ISIS and Turkey. Not a hint that the
> PUD/YPG opposes Assad. And it's clear that he got this from the PYD/YPG.
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> things that would have to happen to make it plausible again in the near
> future are even more horrifying than the regime is. I hope that somehow,
> someday, there can be some kind of settlement between the regime and
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Re: [Marxism] Why I’m Suing Max Blumenthal and Benjamin Norton – Sulome Anderson – Medium

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What, specifically, is the defamatory statement?

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Re: [Marxism] Anti-Zionism Isn’t the Same as Anti-Semitism

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I note how Palestinians don't play much of a role in her piece. The entire
thing is about the relationship (or lack of one) between Jews and Israel.
The real question isn't whether anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism, the issue is
why such obvious chauvinism has been adopted by Western governments. That
aspect is lacking. Still, given the low bar at the NYT, it's better than
nothing.

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what a courageous piece of writing by Michelle Goldberg --- it is easier to
oppose Israeli government policy in Israel than in the US!



NY Times Op-Ed, Dec. 8, 2018
> Anti-Zionism Isn’t the Same as Anti-Semitism
> By Michelle Goldberg
>
>
>
> l
>
> In today's NYTimes Week in Review, there is an ad by FLAME asserting that
> anti-Zionism IS racism.   The reason -- by denying Zionism one denies the
> right of the Jewish people to exist!   (again -- Israel = ALL Jews  ---
> really lousy logic but it works for too many!!)In the same section
> there is an very interesting article about the Holocaust Memorial in
Israel
> having to kowtow to right wing dignitaries who practice anti-semitism at
> home and make a grand gesture of respecting Israel and the memory of the
> holocaust -- truly disgusting!
>

Think Goldberg has the much better argument!!!

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Re: [Marxism] Temple University Chairman Ready to Fire Marc Lamont Hill for ‘Unnecessarily Blackening’ the School’s Image with UN Comments

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Gross. Perhaps the same coalition that mobilized around Salaita can do
something about it.

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> https://atlantablackstar.com/2018/12/03/temple-university-chairman-ready-to-fire-marc-lamont-hill-for-unnecessarily-blackening-the-schools-image-with-un-comments/
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Re: [Marxism] How Berea College Makes Tuition Free with its Endowment - The Atlantic

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This is a weird alternative to simply making all university education free.

Amith R. Gupta


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> Berea College isn’t like most other colleges. It was founded in 1855 by
> a Presbyterian minister who was an abolitionist. It was the first
> integrated, co-educational college in the South. And it has not charged
> students tuition since 1892. Every student on campus works, and its
> labor program is like work-study on steroids. The work includes everyday
> tasks such as janitorial services, but older students are often assigned
> jobs aligned to their academic program, and work on things such as web
> production or managing volunteer programs. And students receive a
> physical check for their labor that can go toward housing and living
> expenses. Forty-five percent of graduates have no debt, and the ones who
> do have an average of less than $7,000 in debt, according to Luke
> Hodson, the college’s director of admissions.
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> https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/10/how-berea-college-makes-tuition-free-with-its-endowment/572644/
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Re: [Marxism] New book on US fascism by Michael Roberto

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I'd love to read this if anyone has a copy they can share with me off-list.

Thanks,

Amith R. Gupta


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> This book, published by Monthly Review Press, analyzes the largely unknown
> history of fascism in the United States: The Coming of the American
> Behemoth: The Origins of Fascism in the United States, 1920–1940 by Michael
> Joseph Roberto.
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Re: [Marxism] The case against “The case against open borders” | SocialistWorker.org

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> the social democratic model of high real wages and a strong
"social wage" created by some version of the welfare state (more generous
in Europe than in the US for sure) is unfortunately inconsistent with an
open borders reality

Hi,

Can you send some literature on this? I am assuming you are referring to
Lenin's idea about the labor aristocracy? On what empirical grounds do we
judge that social democracy is inconsistent with "open borders"?

Amith R. Gupta


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> Though I am mostly persuaded by comrade Chacon's arguments against the
> Nagle article (which I haven't read) I do believe that we on the left face
> a conundrum --- the social democratic model of high real wages and a strong
> "social wage" created by some version of the welfare state (more generous
> in Europe than in the US for sure) is unfortunately inconsistent with an
> open borders reality ---
>
> Obviously, the solution to the "push" that leads people to risk (and lose)
> their lives fleeing North Africa, Middle East wars, Central Ameican death
> squads and criminal gangs needs to be removed by massive revolutionary
> changes in the global South  the US and Europe can do a lot to
> ameliorate the situation --- (the US mostly does more harm than good, of
> course).
>
> But until real wages in the world become equal with a "race to the top"
> rather than a race to the bottom there will be a tension between open
> borders and (global north) working class incomes 
>
> Pushing solidarity is important but there is no question that this reality
> makes it doubly harder ...
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[Marxism] Feminism & Transgender Politics

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https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/4090-i-m-not-transphobic-but-a-feminist-case-against-the-feminist-case-against-trans-inclusivity

Feminist article with detailed response and thoughtful response to the
arguments of anti-transgender feminists. Food for thought.

Amith R. Gupta
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Re: [Marxism] Why is Netanyahu so desperate for a ceasefire with Hamas?

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"If Airbnb has made such a decision it becomes harder to suggest that
such decisions are made by extremists and anti-semites."


Well pro-Israel groups will probably argue that either way, though it may
become quite a bit easier to make that insinuation if they cave and
apologize.


Amith R. Gupta


On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 4:43 PM Ken Hiebert  wrote:

> Amith R. Gupta said:
>
>
> I don't mean to be a pessimist, but I'm pretty sure AirBnB is going to
> cave. They're only limiting hosting in the settlements, while keeping them
> going in Israel. If it could hurt their business in Israel proper due to
> legal sanctions, they will suddenly have financial incentives not to
> implement this measure. Given that Palestine/Israel is a prime tourism
> spot, it would mean a significant financial incentive to renege. They would
> need to be hit with a stronger boycott (perhaps in neighboring states) that
> would outweigh the cost. I doubt that will happen.
>
> It is entertaining to watch, though.
>
>
>
> Ken Hiebert replies:
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> A. R. G. might be right.  They could reverse their decision.  Even so, that 
> fact that they did make the decision in the first place brings the issue of 
> sanctions against the illegal sentiments from the political margins into more 
> mainstream discussions.  If Airbnb has made such a decision it becomes harder 
> to suggest that such decisions are made by extremists and anti-semites.
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Re: [Marxism] Why is Netanyahu so desperate for a ceasefire with Hamas?

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I don't mean to be a pessimist, but I'm pretty sure AirBnB is going to
cave. They're only limiting hosting in the settlements, while keeping them
going in Israel. If it could hurt their business in Israel proper due to
legal sanctions, they will suddenly have financial incentives not to
implement this measure. Given that Palestine/Israel is a prime tourism
spot, it would mean a significant financial incentive to renege. They would
need to be hit with a stronger boycott (perhaps in neighboring states) that
would outweigh the cost. I doubt that will happen.

It is entertaining to watch, though.

Amith R. Gupta
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