Re: [Marxism] Marxism Digest, Vol 164, Issue 34

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On Jun 26, 2017, at 1:41 PM, marxism-requ...@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote:
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> NY Times Op-Ed, June 26 2017
> Back to the Future via Finland Station
> by Bhaskar Sunkara
In the time of Marx, also Lenin, also Mao, pegging a universally accepted 
currency for measuring and exchanging  equitable amounts of different forms of 
labour time was inconceivable. Today labor time added between each monetization 
is tracked around the globe to the nanosecond.  

But take care.

If exchanges are truly equitable -- 5 hours of labor replicating a virus that 
may or may not knock out cancer cells exchanged for 5 WTCs (World  Treasury 
Chits)exchanged for 5 hours of labor massaging my back or my ego -- no wealth, 
common or private, is created.  

 It is only when meeting our wants, defined as desires OR needs, requires less 
[world average] labor TIME from others than we are, for whatever reason, 
willing to perform, that a social surplus is created.  Because this surplus 
enters our consciousness monetized, as surplus value, and much more of it is 
expropriated as the private property of a few than as taxes which can 
conceivably be reallocated, reinvested, redistributed democratically, we 
haven't thought about how important getting this right is to successfully 
transform societ[ies] run by agrandizers of privately controlled capital to 
ones run by socialists. 
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[Marxism] Reply to Nation article on guaranteed income

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(Please read enough to assess   if useful enough to work to disentangle syntax

Posted om Facebook group: Its About time

This  

Is not progressive, IMO.
It reverts to the mix of charity and counter-revolutionary efforts of liberal 
capitalism to appease the working class as the law of capital creation 
repeatedly accumulates it in private hands.   And mainly, it expresses &/or 
reveals, -- and for sure propagates:  ignorance of the labor theory of value 
once well understood by students of Adam Smith on the one hand and Karl Marx on 
the other.

The difference between Marx and Smith was Marx's insight that The only source 
of Capital (hence title of book) is Surplus Value.

Surplus value of what?
Of unpaid labor time. 

Robots reduce labor time.  They can not create it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/these-policies-could-move-america-toward-a-universal-basic-income/

Without carrying on too long here about the distinction between all the 
referents of the two words: 
"work" and "labor"(Obra y trabajo; oeuvre et travail), 
allow me to remind members of the group who are Marxists that Marx was not anti 
creation of capital.  He opposed, often with sarcastic cruelty, proposals and 
campaigns offered to socialists, communists, workers, and revolutionaries to 
solve the cyclical  crises of the capitalist mode of economic production by 
abolishing capital or the creation of wealth, which he understood was not due 
to supply and demand, nor the (or a) market come, which are necessary 
conditions, but merely conditions. 

Marx used the term "necessary labor" in two contexts:

1)The necessary labor value as a function of the world average of the labor 
time required to produce commodities of equal use value under all the different 
modes of their production available in the same market ( Someone, google a good 
quote that enables reader  to "get" a)that commodities are produced for 
exchange for The  commodity whose use value is its universal acceptance  as the 
currency (means, or money) of exchange,  and b) exchanged in a competitive 
market where the "just-as-good" commodity is cheaper because it contains less 
World Average Labor Time(WALT)

2) The necessary labor value of the labor power that produces the commodities.  
This is determined by the labor time of OTHERS  embedded in the commodities 
Labor must purchase to reproduce themselves and thus be paid enough to purchase 
( ditto: someone, please provide a classic familiar quote).  In other words,   
now finally, thanks to globalization, World Average Labor Time (WALT or 
Necessary Labor 2)  of others that Labor 1 must consume to be able to add WALT 
or Necessary Labor 1.

I find it easier to grasp as:

surplus Value = Social Surplus = difference between WALT added and WALT 
consumed = the real Common Wealth

This may or not be the place to express my gratitude to Fay Aptheker for 
answering after an embarrassingly long silence  by all eating supper on Doris 
Greiser and Erwin Marquit's back porch the awkward question that I overcame my 
fear of  embarrassing myself to ask:  "What do they call Surplus Value in 
Socalism? You have to keep creating it, don't you? Or go back to the cave?" Or 
something like that.She simply said, "Social surplus", and the conversation 
resumed, I assumed, to cover the embarrassment of my revealed ignorance.( Marx 
did use the term Social Surplus, but I can not find his equating it to 
socialized surplus value.  He uses it as general pre-privatized and maybe even 
pre-monetized surplus value). The conversation  was at the end of the first  
MEP (marxist Education project) symposium I attended.  It was in Minneapolis, 
after the Berlin Wall  nov 9, 1989before Gorbachev resignation dec 25,1991.  I 
did just google for those dates.  It is IMO tragic that I can't find much at 
all about the early MEP prior to what looks like a revival since the founders 
died.

I also want to add here the importance of understanding the difference between 
"WORKING TIME REQUIRED TO BUY" as used in the UBS's  Prices and Earnings in 
cities around the world 
https://www.ubs.com/microsites/prices-earnings/prices-earnings.html (which does 
determine the exchange value and/or monetary price of labor power: wages or 
salary) versus "LABOR TIME CONTAINED WITHIN".   It is because the industrial 
capitalists  who invested to increase labor productivity, thus decreasing the 
average labor time per unit that they 1) gained a competitive price advantage 
and profited from taking over another(s)' market and 2) could continue to 
"grow" 

Re: [Marxism] Marxism Digest, Vol 138, Issue 12

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[Marxism] Re Dangerousdays Ahead

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Please share this petition to President Obama to help Syriza, whether you 
believe in petitions or elections or not
help the Greek government govern according to the dictates of the people who 
elected it http://wh.gov/iZEvS

Peggy Dobbins
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[Marxism] Submission

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Louis.  Apologize for posting improperly as reply.
Hope this is acceptable.  

No, Ruthie, I am not muslim.  I think I did explain, or tried to.  In honor of 
Rae Ann I'll try again.  
It was growing up with her and Robert Marks, and Harvey Grossman that made me a 
Zionist for most of my life.  I remember a speech her mom made to the whole 
student body at Wynn Seale Jr High.The point she made was being a Jew, and 
knowing that children  who looked like some of her daughter's best friends  
(looking at me, I was very blond) had not stood up for, but some had even 
cheered when children who looked like Rae Ann were dragged from home, packed 
into rail cars for endless hours til released into  windowless steel chambers 
where they were gassed to death, had taught her to stand up when anyone was 
bullied or made fun of or just left out because they were different from,  and 
thinking back I think she may have said popular kids because Rae Ann was one 
of the popular kids, which was why . . . 

Ruthie, I'm so grateful you weren't too insulted to reply again and pushed me 
to explain why I felt so compelled to do so much facebook tapping in reply to 
Netanyahu's speech 

. . . I wanted to be her friend is the first phrase that popped to mind as I 
tapped here 64 years later.   Then I began to remember something I've brushed 
aside til now as even more petty than wanting to be her friend because she was 
popular.   I remember my feelings being hurt because I'd been left out when 
Mary Bickley or maybe Biddy Baxter or maybe both told me about her party our  
first party as big kids,   And I remember a call later from Rae Ann inviting 
me to do something with her, just the two of us.   I remember feeling it didn't 
really make up for being left out of the becoming big kids party. But in 
retrospect, her mother's getting her to do that is probably why we did become 
friends. 
I   realized as I was tapping, it must have been her  Bat Mitzvah, and that her 
mom was likely braving not just raising, but taking a concrete step to claim, 
equality of  Jewish girls with Jewish boys in, I just calculated, it must have 
been 1950.

Here's the wonderful thing,  Ruthie:  after I realized it must have been her 
Bat Mitzvah,  I actually felt again without trying to brush it aside as petty,  
my 12 year old's hurt feelings.  Rae Ann must have been in 8th grade;  Mary, 
Biddy, and I in 7th.  They weren't Jewish either, but close neighbors.  Now my 
eyes tear up and I hug Rae Ann and her mom.

Robert Marks was the 1st boy who kissed me and I'm sure I was the first girl he 
kissed.   It didn't hurt my feelings later that he liked  Sue Weisner more  
because Harvey told me it had to do with that I couldn't be a Jewish mother.

What did hurt, a little, was being booed when I stood up in a Georgia Tech 
auditorium and asked a professor, fired I think from Fla, for defending 
Palestine, don't you believe in Jewish people's right to a homeland?  

That was about 10 years or more ago.  I'll skip the chronology between then and 
now.  It included declining invitations in Atlanta to curate an exhibition and 
another to serve on a board , by respected friends, non-muslim but overtly 
sympathetic to Palestinians,  until I could recruit a  co-curator or fellow 
Board member who was Jewish.  I couldn't.   
I was so proud of Corpus and having grown up there,  when visiting I was 
invited to a Tikkun event.   I had heard of Tikkun  and knew it had flopped in 
Atlanta, which has a much larger multi organized Jewish community.   A 
non-practicing very politically active Israeli born and raised friend, who 
usually over explained, had told me tersely with obvious repressed emotion, he 
wouldn't touch it; it's why we left.  Another friend, whose daughter had 
spent 1st to 12th grade in Hebrew school and been arrested in Israel, told me 
her husband  whom I didn't know had been a leader of AIPAC, had to use every 
chip he ever earned to get her released.  we are pariahs now The daughter 
became  a founder of Jewish Voices for Peace, but neither her mother nor any 
other practicing Atlanta Jews  had tried to get a Tikkun chapter going in 
Atlanta.

 Of course, guess what, in Corpus, it was mostly Jewish mothers at the Tikkun 
event and their non jewish friends.  You've  got to have a male spokesman, I 
observed.   Of course, they said, but who?   Harvey, of course, he's 
perfect. I knew he'd been the chair of the county Dem. party.  They rolled 
their eyes in unison.  You try.   I did.  By phone.   
I can answer in two words he said, and then held forth as that superb 
intellect from high school,  I'd known -- as it was honed at 

Re: [Marxism] 'Clara Zetkin in the lion's den'

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Thanks John.  I'll post on Woman's Work Goes On. Continuamos avec a little help 
from your friends.  Just googled.  I always somehow remembered the words to 
to you can't always get what you want... As but if you try, with a little help 
from your friends, you can get what you need

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On Jan 12, 2014, at 9:32 PM, John Riddell johnridd...@sympatico.ca wrote:

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 Posted today at http;//ww.johnriddell.wordpress.com
 
 Clara Zetkin in the lion's den
 Workers' unity and feminism at a Comintern congress
 
 In 1921, when the Communist International (Comintern) held its Third World
 Congress, Clara Zetkin was the most widely respected Communist outside
 Russia. Yet she was the victim of vigorous efforts on the eve of the
 congress to vilify her and drive her out of the Comintern leadership, if not
 from the movement. Nonetheless, she ranks, together with Lenin and Trotsky,
 among the dominant intellectual figures at the congress
 
 For the full text, please see
 
 http://tinyurl.com/l7cl9b3 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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