Re: [Marxism] » Socialist Strategy and the Biden Debate

2020-07-07 Thread Mark Lause via Marxism
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This isn't really just a question of what many would see as a dead-end.

This argument goes back much farther than 1964, of course.  Much farther
back than CP's change-of-line to misapply the Popular Front model to the
Democratic party, which was never a popular front.  In the 1880s, Henry
George was making it when he demolished a genuine, massive labor party in
the interest of the Democrats.  But it's older than that, too.

The point is that, in all this long experience we have never really had a
single case where it was not a dead-end

And we only need look around at our current circumstance to see the fruits
of that long and futile practice.
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Re: [Marxism] » Socialist Strategy and the Biden Debate

2020-07-07 Thread Michael Meeropol via Marxism
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I thank Louis for linking to Elbaum's piece --

I think the crux of the difference between Elbaum and (probably) the
majority who subscribe to this list is here:

ELBAUM:  Today’s which-side-are-you-on dividing line is between a racist
authoritarian bloc led by Donald Trump vs. a larger but much more
heterogeneous array of forces that, from different angles, regard Trumpism
as a dire threat to their rights and interests.


This of course leads Elbaum to support what many would see as a dead=end
class collaborationist view (the lesser-evilism which has been the mainstay
of many on the "left" at least since 1964 ...)


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 8:34 AM Louis Proyect wrote:

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> What a surprise. Ex-Maoist Max Elbaum advocates Popular Front against
> Trump to prevent fascism. Where have I heard that before? Every election
> since 1964.
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[Marxism] » Socialist Strategy and the Biden Debate

2020-07-07 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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What a surprise. Ex-Maoist Max Elbaum advocates Popular Front against 
Trump to prevent fascism. Where have I heard that before? Every election 
since 1964.


https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/socialist-strategy-and-the-biden-debate/

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