Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote | The Nation

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Ernest Leif makes an excellent point.

Who to vote is not an easy question.  Who not to vote for, on the other
hand, is not so hard.  There are very solid answers to that.

We need to vote less based on fear and start acting--not just voting but
acting--in hope.  We have the issues and, if we put effort in bringing the
numbers who agree with us into the streets, we will mop the floor with
whatever figurehead they put in charge.

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Really? Clay - you've really gone off the deep end.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Clay Claiborne via Marxism <
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>
>  Plus Trump is organizing his 2nd Amendment people
> into militias and preparing them for extra-legal action, possibly even the
> extra-legal seizure of state power, if they can get it with Stein's help.
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote | The Nation

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On 10/1/16 8:50 PM, Clay Claiborne wrote:

Question is why is it being posted to the list now?



To remind you that you don't speak for all Black people.
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote | The Nation

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On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 7:47 PM, Ernest Leif  wrote:

> I actually think that white supremacy will be emboldened under the rule of
> Hill & Co.
>

Yes, it will. Most certainly. It has already been emboldened under the rule
of a black POTUS. The alt-right has developed as a result. Donald Trump
came to the head of a white nationalist movement directly because of his
racist attacks on Obama and now there is a serious chance that hwe will
become POTUS.

So will the white nationalists still feel emboldened even if they lose?
Having come this close this quickly they will and no matter what they will
be better organized, more massive and still in control of one of the two
main capitalist parties. Plus Trump is organizing his 2nd Amendment people
into militias and preparing them for extra-legal action, possibly even the
extra-legal seizure of state power, if they can get it with Stein's help.

So will the white nationalists feel embolden when they are making advances
worldwide. Putin's aggression and support for brutally fascist regimes
remains unchecked. And the alt-right has made dramatic gains in Europe and
Britain.

Mean while the western Left has remained white dominated with feel roots
among the masses and most have sold their soul [I'm having a Michelle
Alexander moment] to Gaddafi, Assad and Putin, and now they are working
hard to put Trump in the WH.

So will the white nationalist feel embolden if Clinton wins? Yes, but if
the white nationalist win state power there will be hell to pay.  [another
Michelle Alexander moment]

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote | The Nation

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I didn't realize this was a very old article from February when I posted
above. That was before Bernie was beaten at the DNC so I would read it
somewhat differently in terms of who it was targeting in february. Question
is why is it being posted to the list now?

Michelle Alexander today [19 Sept]

http://www.faithfullymagazine.com/michelle-alexander-new-jim-crow-author-explains-transition-law-religion/

And yet I now feel compelled to change course. I am walking away from the
> law. I’ve resigned my position as a law professor at Ohio State University,
> and I’ve decided to teach and study at a seminary. Why?
> There is no easy answer to this question, and there are times I worry that
> I have completely lost my mind.
> ...
> And I no longer believe we can “win” justice simply by filing lawsuits,
> flexing our political muscles or boosting voter turnout. Yes, we absolutely
> must do that work, but none of it — not even working for some form of
> political revolution — will ever be enough on its own. Without a moral or
> spiritual awakening, we will remain forever trapped in political games
> fueled by fear, greed and the hunger for power. American history teaches
> how these games predictably play out within our borders: Time and again,
> race gets used as the Trump Card, a reliable means of dividing, controlling
> and misleading the players so a few can win the game.


The New Jim Crow is a fine piece of work but that doesn't make Michelle
Alexander someone we should follow.

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote | The Nation

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I've been following this thread and I truly believe there's no easy answer
when asked "who are you going to vote for?" My mother, a black woman from
Harlem and the Bronx loathes Hill & Co. - we all voted for Bernie - but
feels Trump would be a disaster. She asked me what to do. What can I say?
Not only to her but to all the other Black folks I know who can't stand
Hill but fear Trump even more.

I actually think that white supremacy will be emboldened under the rule of
Hill & Co. as well, not just because of any anti-woman backlash, but
because she'll do nothing to assuage the economic anxiety of those voting
for Trump. Add to the mix that we have no left wing making inroads with
those same populations and things don't look good four years down the road,
or especially if our economy turns south. We need a mass party now. I don't
know where to find.

I'm concerned no matter which one wins.
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote | The Nation

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On 10/1/16 8:26 PM, Clay Claiborne wrote:


I don't know why Michelle Alexander wrote this piece.


She wrote it because her focus is on the prison-industrial system. She 
was featured in Ava DuVernay's new film "The 13th" because of her 
knowledge about the political economy of prisons. Those interviewed 
about Clinton' 1994 Omnibus Crime Bill in the film described it as more 
injurious to Black Americans than anything Nixon, Reagan or Bush did.


http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/aug/25/julius-jones/black-lives-matter-activist-says-clintons-passed-p/
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote | The Nation

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On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism <
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> An oft-repeated myth about the Clinton administration is that although it
> was overly tough on crime back in the 1990s, at least its policies were
> good for the economy and for black unemployment rates. The truth is more
> troubling. As unemployment rates sank to historically low levels for white
> Americans in the 1990s, the jobless rate among black men in their 20s who
> didn’t have a college degree rose to its highest level ever. This increase
> in joblessness was propelled by the skyrocketing incarceration rate.
>
> Why is this not common knowledge? Because government statistics like
> poverty and unemployment rates do not include incarcerated people.


It is common knowledge, maybe not in academic circles dependent on gov't
stat, but it certainly is on the streets were I live. The skyrocketing
incarcerated rate is very real for black people in LA county, but in no way
does that add up to refusing to vote for Clinton and suffering a much more
draconian and openly racist regime under the only available option.

I don't know why Michelle Alexander wrote this piece. Maybe they asked her
to, maybe they paid her to, maybe it was just another chance to utilize her
amazing research.

She doesn't mention Stein, Johnson or Trump, so what is the point of
targeting Clinton?

I don't know why Michelle Alexander wrote this piece, but I think I do know
why The Nation published it.

Regards,

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote | The Nation

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Michelle Alexander is obviously capitulating to white nationalism!

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> full: https://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-
> deserve-black-peoples-votes/
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[Marxism] Fwd: Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote | The Nation

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An oft-repeated myth about the Clinton administration is that although 
it was overly tough on crime back in the 1990s, at least its policies 
were good for the economy and for black unemployment rates. The truth is 
more troubling. As unemployment rates sank to historically low levels 
for white Americans in the 1990s, the jobless rate among black men in 
their 20s who didn’t have a college degree rose to its highest level 
ever. This increase in joblessness was propelled by the skyrocketing 
incarceration rate.


Why is this not common knowledge? Because government statistics like 
poverty and unemployment rates do not include incarcerated people. As 
Harvard sociologist Bruce Western explains: “Much of the optimism about 
declines in racial inequality and the power of the US model of economic 
growth is misplaced once we account for the invisible poor, behind the 
walls of America’s prisons and jails.” When Clinton left office in 2001, 
the true jobless rate for young, non-college-educated black men 
(including those behind bars) was 42 percent. This figure was never 
reported. Instead, the media claimed that unemployment rates for African 
Americans had fallen to record lows, neglecting to mention that this 
miracle was possible only because incarceration rates were now at record 
highs. Young black men weren’t looking for work at high rates during the 
Clinton era because they were now behind bars—out of sight, out of mind, 
and no longer counted in poverty and unemployment statistics.


To make matters worse, the federal safety net for poor families was torn 
to shreds by the Clinton administration in its effort to “end welfare as 
we know it.” In his 1996 State of the Union address, given during his 
re-election campaign, Clinton declared that “the era of big government 
is over” and immediately sought to prove it by dismantling the federal 
welfare system known as Aid to Families With Dependent Children (AFDC). 
The welfare-reform legislation that he signed—which Hillary Clinton 
ardently supported then and characterized as a success as recently as 
2008—replaced the federal safety net with a block grant to the states, 
imposed a five-year lifetime limit on welfare assistance, added work 
requirements, barred undocumented immigrants from licensed professions, 
and slashed overall public welfare funding by $54 billion (some was 
later restored).


full: 
https://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/

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https://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes//?nc=1



I didn't notice this was published in February. The Nation would not 
print it today.

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